There's a lot of talk about Kanye West. Chappelle takes a cagey position, neither attacking him nor supporting him: "I don't think Kanye is crazy.... He's possibly not well."
Then there's a long pause and an extended run-up to a big leap: "I've been to Hollywood." Pause. "I don't want y'all to get mad at me. I'm just telling you. I've been to Hollywood. This is just what I saw." Pause. "It's a lot of Jews." Pause. "Like a lot."
"But that doesn't mean anything." That's a setup. Punchline: "There's a lot of black people in Ferguson, Missouri. That doesn't mean they run the place."
It's not a crazy thing to think: "The Jews run show business." Pause. "But it's a crazy thing to say out loud." He said out loud.
And that was the end of the Kanye and anti-Semitism portion of the monologue, very carefully written and delivered. That was halfway point, and he paused after saying the "crazy thing" out loud, and started talking about the midterm elections. Hershel Walker: "I don't want to speak bad of him — because he's black, but, um" — pause — "He's observably stupid."
Chappelle hears people saying the Trump Era is over, but he needs to explain something that he knows, because he lives in Ohio, "amongst the poor whites." Trump is loved. And the reason he is loved is because people have never seen anything like him: "an honest liar."
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An honest liar is an interesting and defendable assessment. It fits in with the serious/literal observation about Trump's supporters/critics. There are some smart people saying this is like the post-Jan 6 period, where the people eager to write Trump off were making a mistake about where the electorate is. Maybe/maybe not. Just because that was the case last time doesn't mean it's the case this time.
Chappelle's observation about Jews in Hollywood/blacks in Missouri doesn't bear too much scrutiny, but superficially, it's a great analogy and a way out of the problem of talking about the concentration of Jews in entertainment. Bring it up while denying you're bringing it up. You don't have to say the difference between blacks in the South and Jews in Hollywood--everybody already knows it.
So Kanye changed his name to Ye and Althouse is all Ye
and me and Dave are all, fuck that!
he's still Kanye!
ain't doing that Ye shit
(in the South we still have people who say "Cassius Clay")
and of course it's very respectful to call people the name they want to be called
but damn if I'm going to follow Prince down his rabbit hole
some shit I can't pronounce!
thinking about calling Musk's kid, X Æ A-12
"John"
also, California says
You can't do that shit! We're the government!
and so he picks up and moves to Texas
freedom, baby
but I'm still calling him John.
In my workout group, everybody gets a nickname
Mine is Soundtrack, because I make a lot of noise when I work out
Groaning and cursing and shit
The rule is, if you complain about your nickname, the boys will give you a worse nickname
Somebody's wife was complaining about her husband's nickname
It might have been Cowboy or Rider or some shit like that
So he was renamed "Assless Chaps"
It would be interesting to watch the monologue without the laugh track.
"I don't want to speak bad of him — because he's black, but, um" — pause — "He's observably stupid."
What I observed is that Walker loves his son
even when his son said shit about him
that might be "stupid," as you say
but it made an impression on me
I vote pro-life, and I dig fathers who love their children
I got a text from Georgia last week...
"This is Sen. Lester Jackson. Join me and Spike Lee as we rally for Sen. Raphael Warnock TOMORROW at 5:30 p.m. at Bethel AME church. See you there!" Text STOP to END.
I did not text STOP to END.
Instead I texted this, for what it was worth...
I am Pro-Life! You tell your priest that God calls on us to love our children!
Chappelle hears people saying the Trump Era is over, but he needs to explain something that he knows, because he lives in Ohio, "amongst the poor whites." Trump is loved.
The most dangerous creature on the face of the earth is not a hungry shark, nor a coiled rattlesnake. It is not a wounded grizzly bear nor an enraged lion. It is a proud human being with nothing left to lose. Democrats and allied people like McConnell and Romney are creating them by the millions and tens of millions.
If it's now verboten to say the Jews run Hollywood, can they at least admit they run the porn industry?
Norm had a few good ones back in the day.
Saint Croix said...So Kanye changed his name to Ye and Althouse is all Ye
The problem with Ye is that Ye is already a name. So call him Kanye and everyone knows who you’re talking about. Call him Ye and half your audience is scratching their heads wondering which Chinese guy you’re talking about.
"There's a lot of black people in Ferguson, Missouri. That doesn't mean they run the place."
If you can commit crime without consequences, you run the place.
If it's now verboten to say the Jews run Hollywood, can they at least admit they run the porn industry?
that's a nice thing to say
as you hide behind your dog
like Son of Sam
He is hilarious. But the elephant in the room is the accepted, yet not talked about anti-Semitism in the Black community. It is the regular generational, propped up and passed down, anti-Semitism that is nurtured in that community. It's not new. It's just been given doses of Miracle-Gro over the last 10 years or so. Supported heavily by what is allowed to fester on college campuses where anti-Semitism is all the rage these days.
Nothing to worry about. Carry on. This is just how things always go. Da Jews are always the target on which so many can come together.
As for Hollywood. Jews got into entertainment early on in this country. They weren't allowed to work everywhere. But those will talent changed their names and made their way in Hollywood. They worked Hollywood, grew it, and populated it at many levels. But it's not exclusive. And it's still open to anyone who can make it. Don't like it? Get in there and work it, move up the ladder, buy a studio. Speaking of, there have been millions earned by people like Chappelle and Ye and so many others. It just doesn't seem like they're being kicked around. Show biz is what it has always been- with or without Jews. It's a tough business. A lot of people try to make it. Few do. And some of those who do, piss off their bosses.
Imagine getting smacked down in your work for pissing off those who own the company you work for or work with? Happens to everyone. Everywhere.
But the Jews. Can't help it if we're funny and good at writing. And that's how the Hollywood thing began.
"It shouldn't be this scary to talk"
It shouldn't be scary to laugh either. Chappelle is hilarious.
Lily, a dog.
When you say 'They' do you mean me? My family?
Just who is the 'they' you are talking about? An entire race of people, or a couple of scum suckers?
I wonder if that works for Nazis as well? Are you one of 'them'? All of you must be, right? This is how that works, right?
I guess I could have just said Fuck off.
So Walker is dumb, but Fetterman gets a free pass? Well, OK, then?
Walker was ceo for a publicly run company.
Warnock is a slumlord.
These are both hard jobs. I am sure both men are at least a standard deviation above the mean.
Chapelle believes Trump colluded with Russia and he is pro-Ukraine. Not everyone is perfect.
"It shouldn't be this scary to talk...about anything...I hope they don't take anything away from me...whoever they are"
I hope not too.
Overall that was a great monologue.
Chappelle hears people saying the Trump Era is over, but he needs to explain something that he knows, because he lives in Ohio, "amongst the poor whites." Trump is loved.
And these people don’t post on these boards or really like politics at all.
But they realize that they weren’t represented and they have been more and more insistent and less polite as time goes. It has been a steady progression.
They are more aligned with Bernie than people are e ready for and the Democrats are also alienating their base with their warmongering right now. Neither party is interested in even appearing to value honest elections.
The regime is made up of Democrats and republicans. The only people poor white people hate more than the Democrats are the republicans and the next realignment will see these people join with the Bernie wing of the Democrat party in a much less polite manner as the GOPe and the Democrats work together to send their jobs to China and send their money to Ukraine. The open borders thing is also an issue.
Thought it was interesting how the audience tittered when Chapelle said he lived among the poor whites.
They would have fallen piously silent if he'd said he lived among the poor blacks or the poor hispanics or even just among poor people.
"an empire of their own: how the jews invented Hollywood" is a pretty good book.
It is not only about how they invented Hollywood, but about why they invented Hollywood.
Short answer, because of religious prejudice they were locked out of many occupations in the early 1900s. Movies/entertainment looked like a good opportunity.
Why Hollywood? Because the industry at that time was centered in Queen's, they were not welcome and California was as far away as they could get.
Much more complex than that, of course. But that's the nut.
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Seems like it would be a source of pride.
So why can't we talk about it?
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It’s pretty funny if Chappelle supports the white supremacists in Ukraine, the ones who throw bananas on the field when the other team has black players.
He saved the best for last at the 13:00 minute mark. “Like, we BEEN on that!”
I have no idea if Walker is observably stupid. I haven't observed him.
But calling Republicans stupid is nothing new.
Reagan was "stupid"
W was "stupid"
Trump was "stupid"
I have observed many members of our national leadership over the years. Stupidity has never been a barrier to entry for either party.
"Joe Biden is observably stupid." True or False?
How is Russia losing to Ukraine? That would be like America losing a war to Afghanistan.
Speaking of collusion, Howard, do you believe that Ukraine collude in laundering billions of investor money from Ukraine? From now defunct FTX.
For democrat politicians?
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I guess violence never follows calling women stupid bitches, as Chappelle does as a throw away punchline.
Selective outrage is always the new racism.
Chappelle's writing and delivery are sublime. Who has ever done better than that?
It's funny that some of the writers at SNL were (supposedly) boycotting him.
“I don’t want to speak bad of him because he’s black” is wonderfully telling.
It explains why the Al Sharptons and Louis Farrakhans of the world flourish.
White folks have the advantage of being able to denounce vicious charlatans without worrying about speaking ill of a white person.
(And imagine the fun to be had if someone claimed to support someone because they were white.)
Although Chappelle's politics are not mine, I find him consistently funny and daring.
The most surprising thing is that SNL let him host. They're not funny or daring. I wonder what happened there.
Blacks have been "on that". But you have to ignore a lot of history to claim poor whites are like newborn babies in the struggle against poverty in America.
Ever heard of Matewan? Blair mountain? Mother Jones? Just for starters.
I'm sure it's just a happy coincidence for the people at the top that poor Americans are divided by race (and an increasing laundry list of other identities), not united by their poverty in a struggle to change the system.
It's funny that some of the writers at SNL were (supposedly) boycotting him.
I didn't watch the rest of the show, but maybe they should tell the writers to go ahead and take another week.
If it's now verboten to say the Jews run Hollywood, can they at least admit they run the porn industry?
Christianity ran Roe v. Wade for years!
It's a hot mess of Christianity, to be sure. We baptize babies but sometimes as we grow up, babies lose their way.
Harry Blackmun: Methodist
William Brennan: Roman Catholic
Thurgood Marshall: Episcopalian
Warren Burger: Presbyterian
William O. Douglas: Presbyterian
Lewis Powell: Presbyterian
Potter Stewart: Episcopalian
dissent
William Rehnquist: Lutheran
Byron White: Episcopalian
These are individuals and none of them speak for Christianity, or for Christ. In fact, the rules they issued are decidedly non-Christian.
God calls on us to love our children.
He does not call on us to worship money, sex, or power.
Kanye as an individual. Anti-Semitism in a color bloc. Diversity [dogma] breeds adversity with honest lies. #HateLovesAbortion
Screw the politics, but that elaborate skit about black cast members in the “House of Dragons” was the wildest and funniest - LOL funny - stuff I’ve seen in several years.
Very funny.
People denying that Jews have an outsized influence in Hollywood are misinformed.
It's like trying to find a gentile diamond broker on 47th street : )
I've been to an NBA game. It's a lot of blacks. Like a lot.
'Chappelle's writing and delivery are sublime. Who has ever done better than that?'
He is a generational talent, but Richard Pryor would be the first guy carved into a comedic Mt. Rushmore.
I think even Chappelle would tell you that.
I have seen the word “sublime” overused to the point where I wondered if it should be banned, like “amazing” should be, but I think regarding Chappelle’s use of language, and not just here, it’s the perfect word.
If Afghanistan was on the US border, and was about keeping Russian or Chinese controlled armies and weapons out, the US would have won, whatever the cost.
Weakest line: "I don't want to speak bad of him — because he's black..."
If Afghanistan was on the US border, and was about keeping Russian or Chinese controlled armies and weapons out, the US would have won, whatever the cost.
True, even if we had to nuke 'em.
Fact: Jews run Hollywood and the record companies, and if you get labeled "anti-semitic" you get cancelled.
One of the most powerful Hollywood Jewish execs, Rob emanuel's brother bragged in the Financial Times that he got Mel Gibson "cancelled" but then let him back in and started making movies when he apoligized to the Jewish community and made amends.
If you're old enough, you can remember Brando, one of the biggest Philo-semites, getting in trouble in the 1990s for saying Jews ran hollywood. He was praising Jews on Larry King, saying they were greatest people ever, but then criticized them for allowing Native americans to be cast in a bad light in old westerns. Brando issued a tearful apology in record time.
Amazed that Chappelle has gotten away with it. So far.
Chappelle's one of the GOATs--but some of his points went way over the audience IMO. The Trump critique was about what I expected and the audience demanded, but they only will follow the logic so far.
The relationship between the early days of Hollywood and Jews is covered in Peter Hall's "Cities in Civilization." What happened was the result of many strands of development, but Jewish entrepreneurs were central.
Chappelle is a genius. There is a reason he is at the top.
It is a bit of a reminder that Kanye and Candace Owens -(I have great respect for Candace - but she needs to dump Trump) did their little "white lives matter" stunt - which was kinda fun - and then Kanye crapped all over it, with his whacked-out anti-Jewish rants and ravings. Not helping.
(captain obvious - I know)
It's only fair of me to point out, as a Fetterman-mocker, that Hershel has always struck me as a dumbass. Revrum Warnock OTOH is a pious fraud, typical of the B/black political preacher.
Both are evidence of the degenerate nature of the Duopoly.
How is Russia losing to Ukraine? That would be like America losing a war to Afghanistan.
Or North Vietnam?
I don't know who's winning now, but we lost both of those wars.
Trump is a showman. Exaggeration is part of his act. People who voted for him believe him because he delivered and other politicians didn't.
California had the climate and cheap land and varied terrain. It was also far from Thomas Edison who owned many of the patents and sued competitors.
"Just who is the 'they' you are talking about? An entire race of people, or a couple of scum suckers?"
The Mossad and their American helpers, the Sayanim. The ADL. That's who. Friends of yours?
He just tanked Herschel. So - oh well.
It must be a requirement to go on Saturday Night Democrat - to trash Republicans.
Dems can have mouth-breathers hair sniffer corrupt Brook Biden (with druggie insider international deals - millionaire Son) - and now pro-crime Fetterman(D) - the dude who lived with his parents way into adulthood.
but let's mock Herschel Walker.
is chapelles one of harley pasternak's clients
I wasn't much for richard pryors act, but chapelle does have a sense of the absurd, despite his debut in that stoner comedy, he comes from solidly uppermiddle class roots,
A Black can be anti-semitic but not pro Republican. That's where Kanye screwed up. Al Sharpton and Spike Lee might have said some anti-semitic things, but they were never dumb enough to say anything nice about Republicans, and they have since survived and prospered......Chappelle's criticism of Ye and Kyrie Irving is sort of oblique and zen. His take down of Herschel Walker, however, is straight up critical and disparaging. That more than his opening statement buys him forgiveness. Chappelle is not part the herd, but, in a selective way, he nips at the heels of strays. Not anti-semitic strays but Republican strays. So he won't be cancelled anytime soon.
Chapelle’s comedy is great.
Kanye’s music is great.
That comedy and that music make America great.
I've seen no evidence that Hershelle Walker is stupid, and I'm amazed that even black people are playing along just because the man uses ebonic grammar and speaks with a pronounced drawl. There's some deep internalized racism going on here with Chapelle.
I don’t know if Kanye’s anti-Semitic raving is a side effect of his bi-polar or part of a character he has created or both.
My guess is it’s both. But it’s just a guess.
Ziggy played guitar and Ye wants to help Make America Great Again.
I remember Brando's criticism of Hollywood Jews. He said that Hollywood presented demeaning stereotypes of just about every ethnicity except Jews. There's some merit to that observation, but it should be noted that except for Indians and--during WWII--Germans and Japanese, the stereotypes were more demeaning than hateful. As stereotypes go, they weren't particularly hateful, but the Jews were spared... One notes that during the early part of the twentieth century there was an elaborate, wide reaching conspiracy on the part of wealthy Anglo-Saxons to control a large part of the world's land and resources and, for the most part, Hollywood portrayed these conspirators in a sympathetic and even flattering manner.
Since when is 'observably stupid' disqualify anyone for office. To Democrat voters a feature not a bug. Maybe Dave isn't used to seeing it in Republicans?
“ True, even if we had to nuke 'em.”
Do you ever wonder, then, about the wisdom of pushing Russia into a corner? Or no, just that Russia is evil.
“That beast is evil, when attacked, it defends itself.” - French saying.
What I take from Chappelle (and others) is that in general Hollywood is run by awful people. (Just like Wall Street). And these people are disproportionately of Jewish ethnicity (no one’s talking about their religious views and practices which run the spectrum of Judaism within the group).
The vast majority of Jewish Americans are good people (just like the vast majority of Americans). As a group, Jewish Americans are smart and hard working and financial successful. (They are about 2% of the US population, which is a bit over 6 million),
So Chapelle has raised the issue: Is there anything about Jewish American culture that can shed light on why two of the worst parts of our culture (Hollywood & Wall Street) are heavily Jewish.
There is no answer to this issue. But why can’t we discuss it. Why is Anti-Semitic just to discuss it.
Half of the violent crime in the US is committed by blacks in poor urban areas. Blacks are 13% of US population (about 45 million people). Though violent crime is an issue, the vast majority of blacks aren’t violent. But we can discuss the issue of violent crime without being called Racists (or used to be able to). Why is it we can discuss that or could discuss it.
And if we can’t discuss these issues without naming and shaming, we are fucked.
Open your mind. Have some sympathy for others and yourself.
Do you ever wonder, then, about the wisdom of pushing Russia into a corner?
Of course. That was exactly the point of my comment you quoted.
Or no, just that Russia is evil.
Tim, I've never said anything like that. Just the opposite, in fact.
I guess you haven't read any of my numerous, long-winded comments on Ukraine. You and I are pretty much in agreement about the whole thing. I get called a Putin lover too.
All these controversies will be a thing of the past when our pods hatch and we become emotionless, post-personality Pod People.
"An honest liar."
I've had that thought. Trump may be a rude, crude, backstabbing son of a bitch. He'll lie and cheat if he thinks it will help him get what he wants. (Ted Cruz wants his father's reputation back.)
But he doesn't come across as phony, smarmy, or condescending. When he attacks people they're individuals, not classes. He'll smear anyone, but to the best of my knowledge he's never said anything like "woke voters are traitors and terrorists." He'll attack powerful institutions, but he won't go after a local PTA.
So for a lot of people he's a bastard, but he's a bastard on their side. So he has that going for him
"Since when is 'observably stupid' disqualify anyone for office."
Joe Biden and John Fetterman are cultural leaders in the acceptance of insufficient mental abilities in the halls of power.
I know a lot of people with very impressive academic credentials who are fine with the current state of affairs. This bothers me very much.
I look forward to the day SNL can have a Jewish comedian on to tell jokes about blacks.
Ukraine's success against Russia: "That would be like the United States losing a war against Colorado."
The US dasn't go to war against West Virginia. Just saying.
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No we actually can not discuss that the violent crime in this country is disproportionately committed by Blacks, or that the majority of homocides are committed by Blacks against Blacks but even if it is mentioned we must proclaim that has nothing to do something in Black culture but is somehow the result of racism and slavery.
"So Chapelle has raised the issue: Is there anything about Jewish American culture that can shed light on why two of the worst parts of our culture (Hollywood & Wall Street) are heavily Jewish."
What a thing to say. How to demonstrate anti-semitism without being anti-semitic?
How about drug abuse, alcoholism, domestic abuse, rape, incest and violent crime and is there anything about Christian American culture that can shed light on those worst parts of our culture?
How about advances in medicine and science and the arts and philanthropy and is there anything about Jewish American culture that can shed a light on those positive parts of our culture, or why those aspects of society and the contributions heavily represented by Jews don't seem to actually count as important? Because of rampant endemic anti-semitism? That just amazes me and on some level shocks and disgusts me.
Some people on this board did not listen to wise Dave Chappelle. It's not whether there are many Jews who lead/own companies in Hollywood (there are!!!). It's about the two words that don't go together: The & Jews.
(Because we know where those two words go.)
Epic, brilliant, extremely deliberate monologue. Maybe it shouldn't be that hard, but he managed.
If Hollywood and Wall Street were heavily Italian American, as the Mafia was, could we discuss if there something in Italian-American culture that might tend to offer an insight?
The vast majority of Italian Americans were hard working and poor at the time. And certainly there were other members from immigrant groups that were into organized crime (Irish and Jewish among them). For whatever reason, there weren’t many members of German Americans involved in organized crime.
The Mafia dominated organized crime from the 1920s to the 1980s
Hollywood made shitloads off these stories. The Godfather is an all time great American film.
Was Hollywood anti-Italian American?
Is Hollywood anti-black? How were blacks generally depicted in films before Spike Lee started making movies?
Why was the N-Word used so often (and gratuitously) in Pulp Fiction (which is a good film)?
Telling people shut up you Anti-Semite isn’t working. Would we be better off discussing issues or squelching them?
Because squelching them isn’t working. Kanye West is a billionaire who has made outstanding popular music. (He’s got 50 million monthly Spotify listeners). Chapelle is incredibly insightful and influential.
You think these guys are going to go away?
Let’s be honest. Trump is the only prominent white guy in the US who has stood up to Woke Inc.
His supporters (and others) love it. But most whites cave to Woke Inc. (if they can’t cash in on it).
Trump is getting flushed down the toilet he jumped in with both feet.
So who is going to stand up for what you believe? Who is going to be courageous or insane enough to at least raise the issues?
The same people who are trying to cancel Kanye & Chapelle are trying to cancel you.
Perhaps the answer is that Jewish-Americans, just like any racial/ethnic group, have its share of socio-paths. As an accident of history, these socio-pathic Jewish-Americans ended up with some significant control in Hollywood and Wall Street. Other socio-paths ended up with significant control in Silicon Valley and Big Business and Big University and Big Government.
Unlike our mafiosos and black gang bangers, the Hollywood/Wall Street/Silicon Valley/Big Business/Big University/Big University sociopaths didn’t grow up poor.
Poverty might explain some sociopathology but it’s a partial explanation.
The white ethnicities (German/Irish/Italian/etc) don’t really exist anymore. Even the WASPs are pretty much gone.
There are only two prominent white ethnicities left these days. The Appalachians (Scots-Irish) and Jewish Americans.
And then there are Black-Americans.
Mexican Americans are the largest ethnic/racial group. They are approaching Black Americans in number. They are 60% of Latinos. But we (Blacks and Whites) tend to lump all Latinos together and don’t discuss much Mexican Americans or Puerto Ricans or Cubans outside of elections. Otherwise they are Latinos. Asian-Americans is even more confounding of a term. Chinese-Americans and Indian-Americans make up the lion’s share of Asian-Americans. A greater share of Asian-Americans than German-Americans and Irish-Americans were of White Americans.
Part of the tradition of integrating/assimilating ethnic/racial groups in the US is to identify and celebrate the Success Stories and downplay the Bad.
Probably a little late for this thread, but I did some quick checks.
Ferguson Missouri has a black mayor, three out of the six city council members are black, the chief of police is black, and the city is about 70% black. So, yeah blacks do control the city.
"If it's now verboten to say the Jews run Hollywood, can they at least admit they run the porn industry?"
I thought that was the Italians.
"If it's now verboten to say the Jews run Hollywood, can they at least admit they run the porn industry?"
I thought that was the Italians.
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