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236 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»Okay, so do we all get a day off or something?
The judge should make a referral of prosecutorial misconduct to the Office of Lawyer Regulation.
Glad, and somewhat surprised, that the jury had the courage. Wouldn't want to be them.
Congrats. You guys were right, it's self defense. It's disappointing to me he wasn't punished for his bad decision making, although he is being punished so that will have to do.
Interesting if it impacts the self defense claims in the Ahmaud Arbery case.
Now we'll get to see riots for three violent criminals who would have been just as happy to beat Jacob Blake to death had life given them the opportunity.
Thank god. The concept of self-defense in America (Wisconsin at least) has been preserved. It would have, practically speaking, ceased to exist if there had been a guilty verdict in this godawful, ginned-up murder case in which self-defense was so manifestly clear.
I knew the good people of Wisconsin would reach the right result. Good common sense.
But the County Attorney should lose the next election. And fire all the assistants who worked on this case.
Praise God from Whom all blessings flow…. I am more glad today than at any time since the day Trump beat Hillary Clinton.
Shorter Howard- it is unfortunate Rittenhouse didn't at least take a severe beating that night.
WEll, that's a relief. I was afraid that one lone juror would hold out for acquittal and we would have to live through it all again....The lone juror would be offered a position in Biden's DOJ or maybe tenure at YLS....Justice was sort of done, but Rittenhouse should never have been charged and never should have had to sweat out an acquittal over three days.
Sounds about right. The first two victims (Rosenbaum and Huber) both seem to have been maniacs with a history of violence who were attacking him before he shot them. The third (Grosskreutz) seems more like a tragic event in which each party understandably believed himself in mortal danger at the moment and responded accordingly (by whipping out his illegally concealed handgun on the one hand and by lifting and firing his rifle on the other).
I still think there needs to be some investigation and perhaps discipline for the prosecutorial nonsense with the downscaled video supplied to the defense though.
Will be interesting to see why the jury took more than a half day to reach this obvious result.
I am surprised and good for the jury. I was very concerned that they would be intimidated by the mob.
Well done.
GOOD!
Media and democrat party (but I repeat myself) ARE GUILTY of igniting and asking for riots.
So happy about this verdict. The prosecutor should be punished for his behavior. Lying/Lawyer
Howard, you would have him punished for murder only because he was foolish enough to go to the riot? Get outta here; he ad just as much right to be there as everyone else.
NBC: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rittenhouse-verdict-jurors-reach-decision-rcna5090 "The nearly all-white jury..." Uh-huh.
MSNBC (including Chuck Todd) blaming the judge.
I guess not everybody is interested in taking a beating sometimes. Good on the jury for protecting their rights.
Correct result on the law and the facts and basic common decency. Kyle is a hero. Whether or not one thinks his decision to go to Kenosha that night was too risky, he was there and extremely brave in the face of a psychotic mob trying murder him. Then he stood up against the slander of the media politicians everywhere to show everyone that he's not a criminal.
Free as Fuck.
Let the Social Justice Riots™ begin.
You know, they did ask all those guards to the dance. It be a shame to have them go to waste.
Pretty amazing. I had not dared to believe that there were twelve people anywhere in Wisconsin willing to do the right thing in the face of threats from the mob.
Media and Biden Admin convicted of stupidity in court of public opinion.
The Media won't pay a price for their crimes past present and future in this case.
The third (Grosskreutz) seems more like a tragic event in which each party understandably believed himself in mortal danger at the moment and responded accordingly (by whipping out his illegally concealed handgun on the one hand and by lifting and firing his rifle on the other).
Rittenhouse was running away. Grosskreutz was running to attack.
Grosskreutz had a record, Rittenhouse was a police cadet.
I hope the police take this lesson and get any rioters or looters off the streets quickly….for everyone’s sake.
Jeff: you people forgot that discretion is the better part of valor. He had the right, but he was responsible for getting in over his head and participating in the death of others.
Mostly peaceful riots coming soon.
More MSNBC: "Peaceful protest", Wisconsin needs to "fix" its gun laws, and an interview outside the courthouse that makes me hope the judge has police protection.
"Kyle is a hero."
No. He was naive and ill advised. He walked into a trap set by the rioters and the authorities. He believed that since he was there to help people, the system would (if not support him) at least let him be. He was foolish to think so. He only won in the end (for various definitions of winning) because the system was stupid enough to show the jury how weak their case was. So no he's not a hero, just another victim of the culture war.
Waiting until Friday so that the rioters can proceed without interfering with everyone else's workweek is really quite considerate on the part of the jurors.
Rittenhouse exonerated; Stupid Left (Howard, Crack, et al) hardest hit.
The jury deserves a great deal of praise.
Public opinion was against Kyle, mostly because of media lies. The tension in the city (though not at the Chauvin trial level) had to concern them. The DA was outrageously inappropriate. However, the common sense of ordinary cheeseheads prevailed.
And will the Garland DoJ have the good sense to not try for a federal prosecution?
Similar to Yancey, I'm curious why it took so long. But I hope the jurors can get back to their anonymous lives, and my curiosity will not be satisfied. Not really my business.
"Interesting if it impacts the self defense claims in the Ahmaud Arbery case."
The two cases aren't even remotely related. But they would be if Arbery were to have been armed and therefore able to shoot and kill the motherfucking racist cunts that gunned him down.
Howard is definitely in the "sometimes you just have to take a beating, right?" camp.
We have yet to read Howard discuss anyone else's "bad decision making" that night, have we?
Care to take a shot at that Howard?
Start with problem child Gaige Grosskreutz having an illegal gun....due to his previous crimes.
You should be able to find your way forward from there........maybe.
"Let the Social Justice Riots™ begin."
But with a caveat.
That whole "take your beating" argument is so strange. The mob had isolated the kid, and a crazed molester chased and cornered him. Then the mob was trying to stop him from running toward the police. Why? To kill him before he got there to safety.
Same with the "active shooter" argument. He only shot at people attacking him. How stupid do you need to be to believe that argument from Binger? As punishment he should be held down and have stupid TinTin-like flip of hair shaved off.
Howard said...
Congrats. You guys were right, it's self defense. It's disappointing to me he wasn't punished for his bad decision making, although he is being punished so that will have to do.
The process was punishment enough for his poor choices.
Interesting if it impacts the self defense claims in the Ahmaud Arbery case.
It shouldn't. He may be trying to tap into Rittenhouse's mojo, but the facts are different enough that self-defense seems like a desperation move.
Twice in one day. First, people at the NYT communicate Sanity, and Howard does on Althouse. Let's not be too hard on him. That's a major step for someone usually in the tank for leftist moonbatery. Howard, I think many people agree that Kyle was foolish, but his punishment came that night with attacks and beatings enough. The stress of the after-event was cruel and unnecessary. He was 17, got in over his head and almost paid with his life. I hope he takes the lesson to heart. Many other people making foolish decisions do not survive, including people who attack another person who is holding a gun. Grosskreutz was lucky he survived his lesson.
Now Rittenhouse can sue the DA for violation of unlawful prosecution and deprivation of rights under the color of law. Part of the settlement should be a spanking of everyone involved in his prosecution. A dozen whacks on the fundament should impress those a-holes that the illegal prosecution has consequences, not only financial, but physical. The city would pay any financial penalties and all of those city smooks would not pay a cent.
Rittenhouse should also sue everyone who slandered him. These include the Lie-Stream Media and Joe "Don't wake me up" Biden. I'm sure there are other politicians in need of a financial reckoning. Include them too.
MSNBC payed a guy to film the jurors during trial. That media outlet should face serious legal consequences for that.
Look, this never should have come to trial. And if Rittenhouse had been Antifa it wouldn't have been. Or if he'd been black.
Only a white man shooting Antifa ends up almost on death row. Good thing Rittenhouse didn't shoot the black crook who tried to jump on him. Then he'd probably be in Jail now.
So.... Binger is U of M Law? Fascinating! Endowments should plummet from this shit show performance. Rightfully so.
No evidence of white supremacy or militia affiliation.
No evidence of curfew violation.
No evidence of provoking any response.
No evidence of Illegal possession of a firearm.
No evidence of any racial discrimination or motivation for any of Defendant’s actions. Note that defendant has Black father or stepfather.
No evidence of any motive other than helping out his friends who asked for help.
Now, I hope he retains the lawyers of the Covington Kid who sued the media for defamation.
“Sounds about right. The first two victims (Rosenbaum and Huber) both seem to have been maniacs with a history of violence who were attacking him before he shot them. The third (Grosskreutz) seems more like a tragic event in which each party understandably believed himself in mortal danger at the moment and responded accordingly (by whipping out his illegally concealed handgun on the one hand and by lifting and firing his rifle on the other).”
From a technical/legal point of view, as Branca would say, the first assailant gave up his innocence when he grabbed at Rittenhouse’s gun. Primary reason to grab a gun, in a situation like that, is to take away from the owner, and use it against them. That is when Big Mike Brown became a known violent criminal, when he tried to take Officer Wilson’s gun away from him. Under MO law (and SCOTUS precedent), that would have justified Wilson preventing his escape, even using lethal means. Wilson didn’t need that, since self defense was sufficient to get him off… It was that loss of innocence, and that threat, that allowed Rittenhouse to shoot him in justified self defense.
Hitting someone with a skateboard, and knocking him down, as was done to Rittenhouse, is more than sufficient to cause reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury, esp the way that the skateboard was swung. That assailant/victim very clearly had practiced those moves, and was very likely carrying his skateboard that night at least partially because it could be used as a weapon. Note - great bodily injury typically includes broken bones. Probably would have with me, and likely would have disabled my partner, with her bad back.
The identity of Jump Kick guy was probably hidden from the defense, because they didn’t want him testifying. Again, his actions, trying to kick Rittenhouse’s head in, reasonably threatened him with great bodily injury.
Finally, with Lefty, the 4th assailant, don’t point a gun at someone, unless you are legally privileged to do so. Lefty wasn’t. It really doesn’t matter if he was trying to prevent an escaping active shooter. The police are privileged to use deadly force in situations like that. Civilians, like Lefty are not. Of course, even if it had been a valid justification to threaten deadly force in order to essentially arrest an active shooter attempting to escape, Rittenhouse was trying to run to the police and safety. He was fully justified in shooting someone (Lefty) who pointed a gun at him. So don’t do that, unless you want a similar result.
Take a look at lefty comments collected at LegalInsurrection, in case you need a reminder of progressive insanity.
The right decision. Obviously. Glad the jurors did not bend to the mob.
I am sure that professional journalists soon will challenge President Biden to explain why he called Kyle Rittenhouse a "White supremacist".
The absolute correct result for anyone that watched all of the trial. Kyle is not a hero. The lesson here is that the government failed by not enforcing law and order. Rather, it fomented that lawlessness in pursuit of a politically expedient narrative. They are the criminals. Tony Evers and the Kenosha Mayor should be ashamed.
As for the prosecutors - Zapf, Binger and Kraus - they should be referred to the disciplinary commission for what appears to be several examples of prosecutorial misconduct. Public censure and suspension of their law licenses is appropriate. They are endowed with immense power and discretion in the pursuit of Justice not convictions. Taking liberties with an accused's right to remain silent and withholding/manipulating evidence is antithetical to their role. Their conduct truly does shed light on the reality that, in most cases, criminal defendants without the means to defend themselves are railroaded into plea bargains. The left should also condemn their conduct as it is more often than not used to incarcerate the poor and minorities unjustly.
I hope and pray that the result of this trial is not used to further sow division for political purposes. I further hope and pray the result will not embolden others to act in lawless ways. While my cynicism tells me that is naive, what more can any of us do than try to be better each and every day.
Not guilty. Now where does he go, who does he see to get his life back
Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
It's too bad the left won't even try to understand why this is a good verdict for them.
Make him Sandman rich! Watch this... Compiled videos of the event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-SKkvH_AUc
Posted on Althouse: No big house for Rittenhouse.
Sorry, I may have taken the wrong lessen from the post yesterday about violence, rhymes, and inappropriate jocularity.
Now disbar the prosecutors and put them in jail if possible.
I'm not a lawyer but even I can see that they fucked up monumentally...
-- Telling the defendant he has no right to silence
-- Aiming a gun at jury with finger on trigger
-- Not giving evidence to the defense
-- Changing the evidence that they did give to the defense
-- Not giving the name of a key witness to the defense
That's just off the top of my head...
I understand Republicans are holding an emergency meeting as we speak at Mar-a-Largo to discuss a Constitutional amendment to lower the minimum age to run for Congress to 18.
'Shorter Howard- it is unfortunate Rittenhouse didn't at least take a severe beating that night.'
If a prosecutor told a woman she might have to take a raping once in a while, that wouldn't go over too well...
"Lie back and think of England..."
I just read the CNN articles on the verdict. Clearly, the jury was wrong. The testimony clearly shows Rittenhouse guilty of killing these wonderful young men who were there to support BLM. Two were unarmed as they were gunned down. The third was holding the gun up in the air.
Clearly, based on the CNN reporting, the jurors are nothing but white supremacists who are OK with the murder of these wonderful young men.
Wisconsin Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes, who is Black and a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate, denounced the outcome:
“Over the last few weeks, many dreaded the outcome we just witnessed," Barnes said. "The presumption of innocence until proven guilty is what we should expect from our judicial system, but that standard is not always applied equally. We have seen so many black and brown youth killed, only to be put on trial posthumously, while the innocence of Kyle Rittenhouse was virtually demanded by the judge.”
Let the healing begin!
There were poor judgments all around. Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have put himself in that dangerous situation; there was little he could do to help those he was trying to help, and plenty of chaos that would make application of the law of self-defense very tricky.
Obviously, the people he shot showed poor judgment in attacking him. It's pretty simple: don't attack people with guns. Maybe they'll turn out to be in a mood to take a beating, like the prosecutors suggested Kyle should have been, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. They did, and they lost the bet.
The most egregious misjudgment was by the authorities, when they decided to let BLM and Antifa take the streets. While the men who attacked Kyle bear the most direct responsibility for their own deaths and injuries, the local and state authorities are responsible for the near destruction of Kenosha. Now let's see if they've learned that lesson, as the BLM/Antifa crowd gets ready for the re-match.
When the forewoman got to Not Guilty on the second charge (the reckless endangerment charge) I was pretty sure it was going to be Not Guilty all the way. Because that charge was teh "well, punish him for something" charge.
The jury ruled correctly. Now we just need to get both prosecutors disbarred frothier criminal behavior during the trial
Of course, this verdict now opens up the lunatic lefty media (which is all of them) for lawsuits a la Covington Catholic.
Standby.....
Another note - Watching the PBS post-coverage. One of them said, "We know the prosecutor was white. We don't know who the Detectives were..." Hey, moron, the lead detectives BOTH TESTIFIED!
Howard said...
Congrats. You guys were right, it's self defense. It's disappointing to me he wasn't punished for his bad decision making, although he is being punished so that will have to do.
Which "bad decision making" is that?
Cleaning up the graffiti?
Wanting to provide medical help to the protestors who were trashing his father's town?
Putting out fires started by rioters?
Legally carrying a AR-15 with himself for defense? (Without which, he would be dead.)
Pointing his gun at people who were attacking him, and only firing if they didn't back off? (I certainly wouldn't ahve waited as long as he did.)
Shooting Rosenbaum before Rosie could carry out his threat to "f'in kill you if I get you alone"?
Shooting people who were trying to kill him? (Kyle was running to the cops to turn himself in. He went 2 minutes without shooting anyone, not even the people who were screaming to bash his head in. He only shot at people who are a direct immediate threat of GBI, and if he hadn't shot, he would be dead)
Antifa and BLM don't get to impose their own curfews on American cities. If your argument is that when the leftist thugs come out, everyone else must just hide in their homes and hope the leftists burn, loot, and murder someone else, you can just FOAD.
Balfegor said...
The third (Grosskreutz) seems more like a tragic event in which each party understandably believed himself in mortal danger at the moment and responded accordingly (by whipping out his illegally concealed handgun on the one hand and by lifting and firing his rifle on the other).
Bullshit.
Grosskreutz talked to Kyle, knew that Kyle was trying to turn himself into the cops. The only reason for Grosskreutz to take his illegally concealed Glock out and chase after Kyle was because he wanted to murder Kyle before Kyle could turn himself in to the safety of the police.
Grosskreutz's story about Kyle charging his guns nd that's why Grosskreutz shot him, was clear BS.
He pointed his gun towards Kyle. Kyle was faster, and pointed his rifle at Grosskreutz. Grosskreutz pretended to back off, putting his hands up. Kyle pointed his gun elsewhere.
Then Grosskreutz lowered his gun so he could try to murder Kyle. Happily, Kyle was faster, and shot him first.
In a proper world, Grosskreutz would be prosecuted for attempted murder, and be convicted and sent to jail.
One other thing I wonder about: There were plenty of instances of People in the Media calling him a White Terrorist in the wake of the shootings. Even Pres Biden called him a White Supremacist.
What kind of legal jeopardy are the Media Pundits in given that he's been found not guilty? Could he pursue legal recourse against some media outlets a la the Covington Kid? Such as these ones.
What if a riot broke out and all of the law-abiding citizens brought their AR-15s? Hopefully The State just shit it pants a little.
This case should be used to vet any potential DAs.
A just and fair outcome with the evidence carefully weighed and threats ignored.
And I say to those rioters and looters... there is a message and lesson.
One can protest... that is everyone's right. But to destroy things, to steal, to loot... NO. The lesson? People are getting fed up.. the party is over.
If such happens again and good folk show up armed..do not be shocked if there is a repeat if the good folks are attacked. Just way to many cameras now days for bad actors to hide their acts.
And the message
COME IN PEACE, OR LEAVE IN PIECES.
Poor kid, his breaking down after the verdict was read is heartbreaking.
The process is the punishment, and he has been punished.
Look what happened to the police office Darren Wilson after shooting Brown, and White Hispanic Zimmerman after shooting Trayvon Martin.
I hope he gets some $ for all the defamatory statements made about him,
So now let the defamation lawsuits begin. Every one if them gets my ‘lawsuits I hope will win’ tag.
…and may justice one day fall upon Joe Biden, that Pressley woman and all the other administration appointees who called the young man a white supremacist and the few today who are signaling a call to violence.
Do you know when the State lost it? I mean lost it with a capital LOST. It was when Assistant Idiot James Kraus addressed the jury with that everybody takes a beating line. When I heard that I immediately recalled this scene from Goodfellas.
After decades of civil actions and legislation against corporal punishment, even such punishments imposed by parents on their disobedient children, how Kraus could possibly imagine anyone with half a brain agreeing to his proposition that a citizen of a free society must submit to an assault with intent to kill is beyond my poor powers to explain.
If James Kraus wasn't on 'shrooms during the summation he needs to start using heavily immediately.
He shouldn't have been there, that's a correct moral argument, but you are gonna hafta change criminal law through normal democratic means to read that way, including making changes to the US Constitution, if you want to convict people, rather than make bold attempts to intimidate the judge and jury into ignoring the law as written. It's a heavy lift to change the Bill of Rights for a reason.
I live in Milwaukee, I saw two helicopters flying south. I knew at that moment...not guilty!
Will be interesting to see why the jury took more than a half day to reach this obvious result.
Because they were scared shitless of being doxxed and attacked?
"Yancey Ward said...
Will be interesting to see why the jury took more than a half day to reach this obvious result."
I'm fine with it. It's called deliberation. Lots and lots of jury instructions. They took their time and got it right.
His knees apparently buckled after the last verdict.
Free Chansley and the other J6 political prisoners!
I saw on Twitter that the QAnon Shaman's lawyer fully accepted the DNC narrative on J6 and seemed very much like he was disgusted with his client and all of the other political prisoners being held there. Was that case like Cohen's where a Hillary operative was running his 'defense' and made a public statement to the effect that his client was guilty while the case was ongoing?
Is this how it's going to work in the future, you have political prisoners of limited financial means, and the Democrats kindly supply them with the lawyers they can't otherwise afford?
So what?
Matt Tiabbi is writing about our republic being destroyed and you have time for this.
Pathetic.
"Yancey Ward said...
Will be interesting to see why the jury took more than a half day to reach this obvious result."
I'm fine with it. It's called deliberation. Lots and lots of jury instructions. They took their time and got it right.
Congrats to the jurors for working through the evidence and arguments and, IMVHO, arriving at the only reasonable conclusion. Why was this case ever brought? Politics. What drove the prosecution throughout? Politics. What hovered outside the courtroom, outside the jury room? Politics. What will fill the air now, for days and weeks, choking us with its evil stench? Politics.
My hope here is, first, that Kyle Rittenhouse (and everyone else) can now start to find something like a real life again; second, that the threats of mayhem prove empty; and third (but not least) that the judge throws the book at the prosecution. They aren't fit to push a mop in the men's room.
This was an injustice - he should've gotten probation.
Kyle was trying to help people and all the left can do is whine about the poor choices he made when he was attacked for his efforts.
The Left: "Helping people is choosing poorly."
No wonder they're so miserable all the time- can you imagine how toxic thoughts like that have to be, especially to those with no moral grounding?
MikeR,
NBC: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rittenhouse-verdict-jurors-reach-decision-rcna5090 "The nearly all-white jury..." Uh-huh.
White dude shoots three other white dudes, kills two of them, while trying to escape their pursuit. Obviously there needed to be more Black people on the jury.
Kid fainted dead away when the verdicts were read. I can't say I blame him. But we shall have to see what Kenosha looks like after dark tonight. Other places too. I am going to be glad not to be in Portland, though we're actually attending a string quartet recital in Salem tonight. But Salem has been fairly riot-los since George Floyd Summer.
I'm a little concerned about an upcoming trip where I'll have to cross state lines.
I've been reliably informed by Team Left Bank and Howard that was prima facie evidence of white supremacist vigilante murder tendencies.
Interviews with the family, how are you feeling right now. Soap opera is all, right through the trial and afterwards and in the news.
Women are the only ones they can count on to watch, day in and day out.
Otherwise they'd have something structural to say.
Hard to believe that a brownshirt couldn't try to beat someone to death without the person being beaten sent to prison for life
WHAT SORT OF WORLD are we living in, where a person is allowed to defend himself from brownshirts?
Hard to believe that a brownshirt couldn't try take someone's gun and shot him without that someone being sent to prison for life
WHAT SORT OF WORLD are we living in, where a person is allowed to defend himself from brownshirts?
Hard to believe that a brownshirt couldn't point a gun at someone and try to fire without that person being sent to prison for life
WHAT SORT OF WORLD are we living in, where a person is allowed to defend himself from brownshirts?
How about dem Jurors…thanks to a trial lawyer who did a great job. The founders gave us both jurors and trial lawyers for our survival in a time of Empires. And the ChiComs have not bought either ones.
time for a golden oldie
Gunfighter Ballads, Kenosha Kid: AR on a Sling
"It's disappointing to me he wasn't punished for his bad decision making,"
The only way this logic works is if we are willing to cede the streets to thugs and arsonists and anarchists. Surely you are not of the opinion that citizens now need to yield to criminals who commit acts of violence against residents and police.
"LETS GET READY TO RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIOT........!"
A limited reminder as to why this was not about a specific case-
This was about communism vs freedom. Do not be "happy" for a just verdict. Be angry the city burned for days, charged Kyle without any investigation, proprietorial misconduct, perjury on the witness stand; etc..
@MarinaMedvin
Every Virginia police officer who was fired for supporting Kyle Rittenhouse needs to have their jobs reinstated with back pay, payment damages, and apologies.
Sean Davis
KYLE RITTENHOUSE DID NOTHING WRONG.
Twitter banned people for saying that.
Facebook banned people for contributing to his defense.
Kyle Rittenhouse is innocent, and corrupt corporate media and Big Tech are cancers on society that must be excised if we are to survive.
Just two examples of hundreds why you should not be happy with this verdict, as an observer. Kenosha jurors held the line today. Just holding the line isn't going to cut it.
Look, I understand everyone thinks that their understanding of events is the true understanding of events, and that needs to be taken into account forming a judgement, but, damn! It just seems very difficult for me to see the videos & hear the testimony and NOT see the events that night as almost textbook examples of self-defense.
But, then, I'm just an old white fart. I would think that, wouldn't I?
Kyle won't have to punch a timeclock ever again. All this "racist", "white supremacist" talk before and after = Big Bucks no Whammies. Kyle told the Sandman, Hold My Beer!
How long until Jump-Kick man “breaks his silence” to flog his book (“I am Jump-Kick man”)? Bombshell revelations: “If only I had studied Tae Kwon Do more I might have kicked harder and saved Gage’s right bicep.”
https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-sandmann-agree-to-share-joint-custody-of-cnn
Perhaps it is now time to investigate and prosecute Grosskreutz for assault with a deadly weapon. He did brandish and point a handgun at Kyle Rittenhouse while he was in the process of fleeing from an angry mob of people shouting "Get His Ass." And Kyle was headed towards police as he told Grosskreutz just before Grosskreutz assaulted him. And Kyle has been acquitted of all charges. If Grosskreutz has a claim of self-defense or defense of others prompting him to assault Kyle, then he can raise that trial. Though I don't know what defense he will have for committing perjury and telling a civil court that he was unarmed during the incident.
Twitter Left reacts:
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Kyle Rittenhouse, Thank you for your service.
Will they ever do an Amazon or Netflix series on the young people of today who stand up for what's right and get thrown toward the wolves? Nicholas Sandman, Kyle Rittenhouse, Trent Colbert, unknown second-year law minority students at Yale, Candace Owens, all conservative or pro-life student group members. There's a commonality in the way the media demonizes them, in the way smarmy diversity administrators threaten them, in the way leftys physically abuse them without consequences, in the way elected Democrats, even the President of The United States, feel free to be ugly toward them without evidence. And in the way the country can see through the media smoke and mirrors but the media now seem self-blinded by their own continual lying.
Where do we go from here? I hope that we have not forever stepped out-of-bounds under Second Amendment gun rights. The quote below is scary and we may have just thrown away the lock and key.
Audience member to Charlie Kirk at a recent Turning Point USA rally in Boise:
"I want to ask you something a little bit out of the ordinary, so prepare yourself. At this point, we're living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny. When do we get to use the guns? No, and I'm not — that's not a joke. I'm not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where's the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?"
Justice was served!
ABC news radio ... blaming the judge.
A 17-year-old was forced to defeat and deter a pedophile's aggression while police officers watched from a safe distance?! Bullsh*t. The police suck.
Is it illegal to carry a gun? No
Is it illegal to go to a riot or protest with intent to help protect life and property? No.
Is it illegal to shoot someone who chases you after behaving and speaking violently? No.
Is it illegal to shoot someone else who chases up, knocks you over and hits you in the back of the head with a skateboard? No.
Is it illegal to shoot someone who rushes up to you and points a gun at you after you've been knocked on the ground? No.
Let's do the reverse.
1. Is it illegal to trespass and damage property? Yes.
2. Is it illegal to threaten someone and chases them? Yes?
3. Is it illegal to chase someone and knock them over and hit them with a skateboard? Yes.
4. Is it illegal to rush someone after they are on the ground and point a gun (which you carried illegally) at them? Yes.
Point 2, had no excuse.
Point 3 and 4 may have believed they were pursuing an aggressor, but here's the key.THEY were the ones being the aggressor. When Kyle fled the scene they had no duty to pursue. They did it out of vengeance and vigilantism. They should have remained with the victim or protected themselves.
This should be a lesson to anyone who carries a firearm. Don't put yourself into the fray. Protect yourself and those immediately around you. Don't chase the threat if it leaves the scene.
If #4 above immediately shot Kyle after Kyle shot the first person, number 4 could make a claim self to defense. When number 4 chases Kyle, and points the gun, he's longer engaged in defense but vigilantism, which Kyle has a right to protect against.
Kyle showed judgement and restraint in who he didn't shoot. The individuals shot were trying to take justice into their own hands, first as rioters and then as law enforcement. They were wrong and paid the price on both counts.
Joe Biden was told that his initial statement accepting the verdict of the jury was incorrect and unapproved, so he has now declared himself 'angry.' Since we no longer have protection against double jeopardy in this country, Rittenhouse will now have to face another trial, this time in federal court. Even if the feds can't get a guilty verdict, they can ruin Rittenhouse and his family. Biden's 'anger' will be at least partially assuaged.
I was listening to Sean Hannity on car radio and he played a montage of the hack-D press vilifying Rittenhouse - calling him a white supremacist over and over.
Our media is beyond repair.
This is less about gun rights about more about the ability for Americans to protect their property and their own safety.
Of course the left want to remove gun rights and feed us to the Antifa Brownshirt Nazi Mob.
The left are hurt that Rittenhouse didn't let the leftwing democrat thugs chasing and threatening him - kill him.
and -the left are enraged that two of their democrat leftwing antifa Nazis - are dead.
I am seeing that the lefty talking heads and politicians are talking / tweeting stupid comments, most likely out of ignorance of the facts which they don’t want to know in any case since they are pushing a false narrative to push their talking points. Just remember, none of this (Jacob Blake being shot, the riots, millions of dollars in damage, Rittenhouse shooting in self-defense)would have happened if Jacob Blake hadn’t refused to follow an order from police to stop what he was doing. He was:
1) In the process of violating a restraining order by his ex-girlfriend by being at her residence. The police were there because the ex had called 911 that Blake was in violation of the RO.
2) Taking her children (I am not sure if the children were all his). For all the police knew, he was kidnapping them. See point #1 since this also would have been in violation of the RO.
3) He was loading the children into her rented vehicle without her permission. Auto theft in progress.
4) Resisting arrest, including shaking off at least 2 taser attempts. He also was armed with a knife, which he was ordered to put down by the police before he was shot by the police.
The police were cleared in the shooting as it was deemed justified by the investigation by prosecutors who were looking to nail the cops. The race baiters that are whining today conveniently forget how this all started. Yes, I am white and not black like Blake. But when an armed police officer gives me an order, I do as I am directed since I am not stupid. The race baiters would say my actions of following the cops’ orders as “White Privilege”. BS - it is me being smart and not ending up with bullet holes in my body.
The President of the United States called this poor kid a "White supremist" and after the verdict was announced said he was "Angry" but stated he would "respect the verdict".
Fuck Joe Biden.
This was clear cut case of self defense. This should never have gone to Trial. Guess what would've happened if Antifa had killed Rittenhouse? Absolutely nothing. And all the "Conservatives" would said nothing.
Dan Crenshaw
@DanCrenshawTX
Kyle Rittenhouse was rightly found not guilty (obviously)
He should sue the major media outlets (obviously)
But is anyone else wondering why Gage Grosskreutz doesn’t also have to go on trial for threatening & chasing someone with a weapon? Or does that only apply to non-antifa?
I'd like Rittenhouse to sue whitey white white whitey white racist lying crook Joe Biden - for slander.
Madison Man,
Yeah, you are right- my curiosity being sated isn't worth the jurors' risk in speaking to anyone about their decision. I wish them well and continued anonymity.
Happy for Kyle, he has been through a living hell because a couple of asshole felons looking for trouble wanted him dead but Kyle outsmarted them.
Now on to the bigger issues...
(1) who in the hell authorized charging him with any of this in the first place, since the prosecution lost like 63-0?
(2) how did that happen, what flaws exist in the process, and why did the checks on prosecutorial misconduct (apparently) not work?
(3) why should these individuals still have a job “serving” the public on the taxpayer dime?
(4) sovereign immunity is clearly past its expiration date because we have far too many low quality people in the jobs it protects
The Rodney King cops' state court acquittals were followed by a successful federal criminal prosecution. OJ's criminal acquittals were followed by a successful civil suit. We'll see what if anything happens here. The fact that the defendant was a minor without wealth makes me think further legal action less likely.
Howard said...
Jeff: you people forgot that discretion is the better part of valor. He had the right, but he was responsible for getting in over his head and participating in the death of others.
So what?
The people who got shot and died all deserved it.
Kyle took part in a "Take Back the Night" action. If that's good when it's taking the night back from rapists, it's equally good when you're taking the night back from any other violent thugs.
If the protestors had not been violent murderous thugs, there'd be no worry about Kyle being there.
as the protestors were violent murderous thugs, it was right and proper for people to "Take Back the Night" from them.
Stop being on the side of violent scum
White supremacist doesn't mean anything so it's not obvious that you can sue for it.
"The left" as many still call them, will destroy everyone and everything that allowed this verdict to happen; just as they still engage in destroying everyone and every thing that allowed Donald Trump to get elected.
Too many still live, ideologically, in an America that no longer exists.
Robert Marshall said...
There were poor judgments all around. Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have put himself in that dangerous situation; there was little he could do to help those he was trying to help, and plenty of chaos that would make application of the law of self-defense very tricky.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
tim in vermont said...
He shouldn't have been there, that's a correct moral argument
No, it's a worthless moral argument. The people he shot, all of whom were out there supporting violence and destruction, should not have been there.
Kyle, as a law abiding citizen who was asked by a store owner to protect two car lots, after there third had been completely torched, had every right to be there.
Kyle was there to help protect that place, as well as to provide medical attention for protestors. Now, I think the second part was stupid, but the record showed that he did help people, and he did help keep the damage down.
And the application of the law of self defense to this case was easy: they all attacked him, they all threatened or inflicted GBI (striking someone in the head with a wooden board is GBI), Kyle never incited anything.
A jury that was just applying the law to the case would have been done in about an hour, with the same verdicts
Wow, already 111 comments. I've only had time to read a few. As is often the case here, other commenters have already articulated my reaction.
But I will vent a little. You know what bothers me? That I only learned this week, from a non-mainstream account on Twitter, that Kyle's father LIVES IN KENOSHA. I know that's only a fraction of the lies and manipulation from the media and the politicians, but still. The fact that something so significant could be buried as long as it was is infuriating.
I'm thankful he was acquitted. I'm also very glad that he's alive - it could easily have gone the other way. If these were normal times, I would agree with Kyle's critics that he was reckless, and should have stayed away. But these are not normal times. If lowlifes are going to riot, and police are going to do nothing (or be prevented from an adequate response), and politicians and journalists are going to enable the rioters, then we're going to need people like Kyle to defend life and property. I don't have his courage. I wouldn't put myself in harm's way like that. "I'm too old for this s--t." But I look at him as a decent and courageous young man - yes, perhaps a bit foolish - who actually confronted the darkness descending on this country when very few others were willing to do so. It's no wonder the left hates him.
I personally believe that rioters, looters and arsonists should be shot on sight. I hope Kyle's acquittal sends a message. It's time that these people (BLM, Antifa, etc.) learn a little fear.
"This was an injustice - he should've gotten probation."
You actually have to be convicted of something before they sentence you.
I'm curious how these newsreaders would treat the Korean shopkeepers defending themselves with their AKs during the Rodney King riots? I guess the trolls here, and the prosecutor, expected
Kyle to be the next Reginald Denny. Disciplined fire under pressure spared the lad "a beating". Don't take a skateboard to a gunfight.
gadfly said...
The quote below is scary and we may have just thrown away the lock and key.
Audience member to Charlie Kirk at a recent Turning Point USA rally in Boise:
"How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?"
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I've heard it expressed elsewhere as No Justice, No Peace.
As for charges against Lefty Grosskreutz - the prosecutors apparently did a plea deal with him about a week before trial, dismissing all charges. Not clear if they bothered to tell the defense. Yes, it was material information, since it could have been used to impeach him on the stand (he was the prosecution’s star witness). He didn’t actually need to be impeached on the stand though, since his testimony helped the defense more than the prosecution. But the prosecution played fast and footloose with disclosing material information in their hands to the defense, including turning over the lossy compressed version of the video they got from somewhere they never disclosed, and then used the lossless uncompressed version of the video in their closing arguments to show provocation (a self defense exception under WI law).
I should also note that by declaring Grosskreutz the victim, they were able to deprive the defense of the video that he was recording at the time he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse and got shot for his troubles (thus earning the nickname of “Lefty”). The detectives got a warrant to search his phone, but the prosecutors told them that they couldn’t use it because he was a crime victim. It turned out ok, but having the video (from his phone) showing up close the whole sequence of him pointing his Glock at Kyle, Kyle pointing his AR-15 back, raising his gun, Kyle doing similar, then pointing it again at Rittenhouse, and getting shot, would have been devastating to the prosecution. So, they suppressed it through an innovative, LawFare type, misinterpretation of the crime victim’s rights law.
"This was an injustice - he should've gotten probation."
I can see where you are coming from, I think he showed bad judgment being there with the weapon, but under the law, he was facing life in prison. But if he weren't armed, and still provoked the rioters by trying to put out fires and prevent fires, he would still likely have been attacked and possibly killed. So his only "reasonable" course of action was to abide by the decision of those in power to stand idly by while his friends' business was destroyed.
The Crack Emcee: "This was an injustice - he should've gotten probation."
We'll add "knowledge of the laws governing self defense" to long, very long, ever growing list of things you know nothing about.
At all.
And no black guys were shot! So you should definitely sit this one out.
Andrew: "But I will vent a little. You know what bothers me? That I only learned this week, from a non-mainstream account on Twitter, that Kyle's father LIVES IN KENOSHA."
So does his grandmother. And cousins. And its where his job was. And school. And friends.
But then Howard and Left Bank and gadfly and the other morons still try to paint a 20 minute drive across a state line from Antioch IL to Kenosha WI as some sort of bizarre aberational tactic.
The National Guard should have been there. That's another correct moral argument. The blame for these killings falls with the people who tolerated and encouraged the riots. Once the situation was thrown, Rittenhouse did exactly what he had to do to protect his own life. I think that Heinlein said that "Self defense is the only inalienable right" but we can see where that right can indeed be alienated by a political lynch mob. How many westerns have we seen with the man in jail, and the mob with a rope outside ready to do "justice"? That's what we saw here.
These riots are not as popular as Democrats seem to think, and I think they have a lot to do with the Democrat's record low standing with voters.
This is not a black .vs. white thing. It is not a racist thing.
It is what happens when law enforcement abdicates their responsibilities of LAW and ORDER, you will have people take up arms to defend their community from RIOTS and LOOTING. And that is what was done.
And when the rioters and looters attack, don't be surprised if those attacked defend themselves.
"n a proper world, Grosskreutz would be prosecuted for attempted murder, and be convicted and sent to jail."
That's kind of exactly what the video shows, isn't it.
Howard: "Jeff: you people forgot that discretion is the better part of valor. He had the right, but he was responsible for getting in over his head and participating in the death of others."
Still waiting for Howard to offer up his very first critical comment of the terrorist, pedophile, wife beating, illegal gun toting, violent assaulter felons who were burning Kenosha.
As with Soleimani, there is only love for the democratical criminals.
The old Winchester poster shows a Grizzly astride a mountain trail being reliably removed by a cowboy's 30-30 round. This trial makes a good argument for the .223 in semi-auto equipment.
I keep saying this, but the book The Power of Habit talks about "small victories" that reenforce progress to a goal, even in political movements, and the left really really really wanted to deny the people who read the law as written and view the video unadulterated, a victory. For them it's all about revolutionary truth, and to achieve this truth justifies screwing with video, lying about the law, and the facts of the case.
When the judge was considering the weapons charge, it boiled down to the length of the barrel of the gun, and when the judge said "Let's measure the gun" the prosecution said that they accept that the gun was legal to be carried by Rittenhouse. If they accepted that the gun was legal, why did they charge him? This is the kind of bullshit that pisses people off who might otherwise have not been that interested in this case. If they can make up charges against this kid, they can do it against anybody.
@BUMBLE BEE
Great video!
Blogger tim in vermont said...
He shouldn't have been there, that's a correct moral argument,
I don't think that is a correct moral argument. But I do think that is a correct prudential argument. The prudent and reasonably precautionary course of action is to not put a 17 year old in the middle of a riot situation. 17 year old's generally do not have the appropriate appreciation for risk. While Kyle was with other people mostly, he was not during the shootings and immediately before. It seems like he was alone putting out fires with a fire extinguisher immediately before Rosenbaum confronted him and chased him down. This could very well be the motivation for Rosenbaums's actions since he reasonably could have wanted Kenosha to burn for racial justice, and he did earlier that day tell Kyle Rittenhouse that if he caught him alone he would fucking kill him.
But regarding the moral argument, I completely understand a motivation to go and protect what he sees as his community and his neighbors under attack. I merely think that despite that moral justification, prudence should dictate that a 17 year old does not go into a riot situation.
"But I look at him as a decent and courageous young man - yes, perhaps a bit foolish - who actually confronted the darkness descending on this country when very few others were willing to do so. It's no wonder the left hates him."
Exactly.
Governor Evers posted his sadz today. He wanted the riots, he wanted the burning, the destruction, the looting. And he thought he had the Great White Supremacist to top it all off. He was living the dream of Bonfire of the Vanities, until the jury refused to play its part. Oh well - never apologize, on to the next act.
"This is not a black .vs. white thing. It is not a racist thing."
It certainly isn't. In fact, a case can be made that Kyle (in self defense) may have removed a couple of racists. These men were violent thugs who was being violent in a place they were sure they wouldn't be arrested. I'd be willing to bet they'd enjoy beating Jacob Blake to death if given the chance.
Law and order aren't the same thing. It's spoken as if it were a pleonasm.
My sincere apology to each of the jurors, and my utmost respect to each for their integrity. I was wrong when I predicted that they'd find Rittenhouse guilty of some charge, in my belief that they wouldn't have the strength to follow the evidence and the law.
What are you going to do now, Kyle?
I'm going to Disneyland!
The blame for these killings falls with the people who tolerated and encouraged the riots.
In other words, Governor Tony Evers, Kenosha County Executive Jim Kreuser, and Kenosha Mayor John Antaramian. Coincidentally, perhaps, all are Democrats.
Keep waiting, Goose. You seem to enjoy your pornographic Snuff fantasies all by yourself. Careful there slick, there's a Kleenex shortage.
136! That was quick, and I've only dropped in to see how many comments have been made since I looked earlier, when there were still zero.
I'll come back later.
"If they can make up charges against this kid, they can do it against anybody."
Didn't a Russian dude say something about this a while back?
If they can make up charges against this kid, they can do it against anybody.
@tim, as they have been, and for many, many years.
"And no black guys were shot! So you should definitely sit this one out."
Spoiler Alert: Crack's whiter than a barium stool.
This is how we ”riot” against disparate justice. And it won’t be us breaking those windows.
Then again, his victims were white. If they were black what would have happened?
Lynching.
And now Rittenhouse will be Not Guilty in the way that OJ was Not Guilty: a sizable part of the country will still believe him a murderer, regardless of the judicial outcome.
Now, I know what you're thinking: But OJ Really Did It.
Sure. Okay. But Rittenhouse will still be Guilty As Fuck in the eyes of many. We are beyond facts mattering: it only matters who controls the Narrative.
I remember when my black girlfriend cried tears of joy when OJ was found Not Guilty. I was just a young white girl, in love with the art of pottery and having my first lesbian experiment, and I could not comprehend her cathartic response.
"It ain't all about white-girl pottery" she exclaimed, and it turns out she was right: thirty years later, White Girl Pottery has done nothing to ease the marginalization of others. Hell, to even try is probably cultural appropriation.
I still think of her, and how she would laugh and affectionately call me "White Devil." But I realize that the Trial of OJ Simpson Changed Things, and there was no putting it back together.
And things will not be put back together after the Trial of Kyle: I am sure there are young white women today who are experimenting with lesbianism with black girlfriends, black girlfriends that are feeling betrayal at the news. It is how the world turns.
--Loren
Drago,
He wouldn't have needed a self-defense excuse if he had been at home.
New Rittenhouse Business Card:
Have Gun, will travel.
BTW, Cuckservatives like the NRO Girly-men and David French are wagging their finger and telling us that "Rittenhouse is no hero". No Mr. French, he is a hero. Who should have been thanked for his helping protect a small business during a riot, instead of having his life almost destroyed by hate-filled leftist, including some of the most powerful media/political figures in the USA.
Never forget that Gofundme banned donations to Rittenhouse, and facebook/twitter were banning people who offered defenses of Rittenhouse. And never forget that Chicom Mitch, Miss Lindsey, Mittens, Kevin McCarthy, the RNC, are nowhere to be seen.
Blogger Howard said...
Jeff: you people forgot that discretion is the better part of valor. He had the right, but he was responsible for getting in over his head and participating in the death of others.
11/19/21, 12:52 PM
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She shouldn't have been wearing those clothes.
Blogger tim in vermont said...
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When the judge was considering the weapons charge, it boiled down to the length of the barrel of the gun, and when the judge said "Let's measure the gun" the prosecution said that they accept that the gun was legal to be carried by Rittenhouse. If they accepted that the gun was legal, why did they charge him? This is the kind of bullshit that pisses people off who might otherwise have not been that interested in this case. If they can make up charges against this kid, they can do it against anybody.
11/19/21, 6:20 PM
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And, to the issues of the black experience, how often do they? I mean, they did it RIGHT in the OPEN. What do they do when no one is paying attention? And then, there is the trial penalty (such as getting the Shaman to take 3+ years in jail instead of 20 if he went to trial and was convicted).
There is real problems with justice in America as displayed in this case. But it wasn't the verdict, but the actions of the state.
Watch Tucker's intro of 11/19/21 says it all.
According to CNN, the verdict was the result of bad jury instructions. So they persist in the fallacy that this is a alt-right white youth who when there to shoot black people. A shockingly large number of people believe the dead people were black, and that was reported in the foreign press as documented by Glenn Greenwald, due to reporting the narrative instead of the facts.
From August thru October, 1942 Marines the same age as the boy Rittenhouse shot it out with Japanese Empire’s trained murderers and killed 30,000 of them before the Navy finally appointed Halsey to stop the nightly Tokyo Express in late October.
Thank God for courageous 17 year old white men. This country may yet survive.
Ghislaine's trial: Kyle was the distraction for this epic
"Prosecutors in the case of dead pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell have alleged that she “set up VIP elites” with child victims to rape as part of a scheme to curry favor and power in the world."
"The prosecutors have produced emails showing that Maxwell facilitated a child sex trafficking scheme, to win elites over by allowing them to perform illicit sex acts with children she groomed that “they would like,” which she used “as a form of social currency.”"
Lotsa dems in that scheme, Boy Howdy!
Curious George said, "They took their time and got it right."
Yes.
I've been on three criminal juries (all misdemeanors, nothing like this case). I was foreman on the latter two. You really have no idea how a given juror, especially a first-time juror, will process what they have seen and heard.
Trials don't always have a smooth, easy-to-follow flow. The prosecution tries to present a narrative supported with evidence. The defense opposes it from every angle, even if the defense just spitballs. Interruptions, objections, lousy witnesses, bench conferences, etc really can interrupt the flow and confuse jurors.
If the jury took its time and made sure everyone's questions and concerns were answered and came to agreement unanimously, they did a great job.
The Crack Emcee said...
Drago,
He wouldn't have needed a self-defense excuse if he had been at home.
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And the deceased and lefty would still be alive and whole if they’d been at home instead of ‘mostly peaceful’ rioting.
The Crack Emcee: "Drago,
He wouldn't have needed a self-defense excuse if he had been at home."
He wouldnt have needed a self-defense excuse if he hadnt been viciously attacked by psychotic sociopathic felons, child molesters and women beaters.
But hey, I get it. You want the streets abandoned to violent left wing mobs and businesses not protected.
Takes all kinds to make a country I guess
Your time would have been better spent researching the laws of self-defense.
But thats a bridge too far for you I suppose.
Blogger Bob Boyd said...
What are you going to do now, Kyle?
I just saw on Court TV (channel surfing) an interview of Kyle's lawyer.
1. Kyle is moving because it is not safe for him to stay in the area.
2. He still plans to attend school to become a nurse.
3. He will continue his treatment for PTSD.
I wish him luck, as he will need it in today's world.
The reality left on the cutting room floor:
The small minority run businesses burnt to the ground over righteous leftwing rage.
"Prosecutors in the case of dead pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell have alleged that she “set up VIP elites” with child victims to rape as part of a scheme to curry favor and power in the world."
So they are admitting that "VIP elites" had sex with underage "partners". The excuse is that they were "set up". That they were "set up" (of course they were) doesn't really negate the fact that they had sex with underage girls. They used these girls as sexual toys. Yeah Epstein was a scumbag, but so were they.
Democrats endorsed mob violence and mob rule. That's why Rittenhouse was there.
He's a hero. Dead WHITE skinhead antifa nazis who break jaws and burn minority businesses - because Kamala and Nancy asked... the media said please.
yep- dead. worm food. yay.
>>Congrats. You guys were right, it's self defense.
OK, maybe we now need to distinguish between a particular person's references to "you guys" (not necessarily obnoxious) and "you people" (definitely obnoxious). Just think about it, why does that person need to include these references/tells in the first place, in discussions with people who have otherwise been polite to him? Why does he want to be a divisive SOB???
>>It's disappointing to me he wasn't punished for his bad decision making
Please explain to us deplorables when and how "bad decision making" became a crime punishable by lifetime imprisonment. Then do the justification for the "bad decision making" by all of the other parties involved.
I've just started on the thread, so apologies to those who have already made these obvious responses.
--gpm
Bumble Bee
Tucker..make sure to watch the @ 6:50.
Media LIE
>>But the County Attorney should lose the next election. And fire all the assistants who worked on this case.
No, they should all be sanctioned, if not disbursed.
--gpm
Good.
I will say the prosecutors did themselves no favors, several times violating Kyle's rights (the right to remain silent is sacrosanct!), making statements to the jury that were obviously false (claiming Kyle was chasing them when it was obviously the other way around), making statements so absurd that one would have to be an idiot to argue it (Kyle should not have been afraid of a handgun since he had an AR???), and sliding in what was obviously tampered with footage in a last minute desperate attempt to come up with some theory that would negate self-defense. If he had been convicted, the likelihood that there would have been a mistrial or the conviction(s) would have been overturned on appeal were high. I would not want these men working for the prosecutors office as janitors, much less lawyers.
>>Jeff: you people forgot that discretion is the better part of valor. He had the right, but he was responsible for getting in over his head and participating in the death of others.
Uh-oh "you people." And what about all if the other folks getting in "over [their] head." And is there anything objectionable at all about those people getting in over their head. Should they be be prosecuting or anything? And why aren't they being prosecuted?
--gpm
Witness the subsequent "you people" post.
"Jeff: you people forgot that discretion is the better part of valor. He had the right, but he was responsible for getting in over his head and participating in the death of others."
I repeat my recent, prior questions about what Rittenhouse was guilty of that was unlawful, let alone deserving of life imprisonment.
C'mon man, I'm sure you can provide a convincing response.
--gpm
Traditional guy said,
"Thank God for courageous 17 year old white men."
But you guys deny white people think they're special.
Hilarious.
"Viciously attacked by psychotic sociopathic felons, child molesters and women beaters" he never would have encountered if he had been at home.
Drago said,
"Hey, I get it. You want the streets abandoned to violent left wing mobs and businesses not protected."
No, you don't get it. You obviously just make it up in your head and assume that's what other people think too - and then put it on them is their idea.
"Your time would have been better spent researching the laws of self-defense"
I know he was defending himself, but I also know he wouldn't have needed to do it if he hadn't been there.
I understand that logic is not your strong suit
"Go fund me" needs to go out of business.
50 million in property damage in Kenosha.
Due to "demonstrators"
The rule of law was abolished the night before. The Governor of Wisconsin and Mayor of Kenosha declared that Kenosha citizens are on their own that night.
Thats the beginning of the story.
Crack Emcee is a parasite. Nothing more.
St Joseph Rosenbaum slung the N word around, perpetrated vandalism and viscous racist property destruction, threatened lives, and oh - he's child rapist.
I think the collective left should erect a statue of ST. Rosenbaum(D)
"Kyle Rittenhouse didn't show up to commit violent acts, the rioters did."
To all those vile PoSs that are wondering what would happen if Rittenhouse was black: wonder no more. That MF who shot Ashli Babbitt didn't get charged with a damned thing, so now you know exactly what would happen. Thanks for playing though.
I wish him luck, as he will need it in today's world.
Me too. His ordeal is far from over. Hope he doesn't have to shoot another crazy SOB or get shot by one. He'll need to move to a red state. The media will likely hound him for years.
"I know he was defending himself, but I also know he wouldn't have needed to do it if he hadn't been there."
He also wouldn't have needed to if the men who attacked him weren't there. Funny thing that logic.
"But you guys deny white people think they're special."
In general, white people aren't. Neither are black people. That's why we celebrate heroes (and I don't see Kyle as one), they are special.
Crack Emcee is not on his best game tonight.
Crack is back and looking for attention.
yawn
Howard: "Jeff: you people forgot that discretion is the better part of valor. He had the right, but he was responsible for getting in over his head and participating in the death of others."
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Yeah, I'm reading a Wisconsin criminal statute that expressly forbids "getting in over one's head and participating in the death of others."
Howard, as Khan used to say on "King of the Hill", "Your ass is GENIUS!"
S N O R T
The Crack Emcee said...
"Your time would have been better spent researching the laws of self-defense"
I know he was defending himself, but I also know he wouldn't have needed to do it if he hadn't been there.
I understand that logic is not your strong suit
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Snort.
Essentially you are arguing that the convicted felons who participated in the RIOTS and ARSON at that "protest" had a superior right to be there, and to commit assault and battery on him, using weapons, than Rittenhouse did by simply being there.
You can stick yer "logic" up your rosy red....
Having been there the day before, car lot tires still smoldering..locals recounting hearing of "bombs going off" and as I left GPS steering me into oncoming street blocking mob on the march, I have a bit more leniency re what brought that kid there.
Me too. His ordeal is far from over. Hope he doesn't have to shoot another crazy SOB or get shot by one. He'll need to move to a red state. The media will likely hound him for years.
Whatever it is, he'll basically be killing time until his civil lawsuits are settled. Once that is done, he can do anything he wants. If I was him, I'd move me and my family to some place like Nebraska, get some land and some good neighbors, (especially since he seems to hunt) and live out my life as a gentleman at ease.
I know he was defending himself, but I also know he wouldn't have needed to do it if he hadn't been there.
He wouldn't have needed to be there if the police had been doing their job.
Crack Emcee: "I know he was defending himself, but I also know he wouldn't have needed to do it if he hadn't been there.
I understand that logic is not your strong suit"
You are a perfect dunning kruger example.
Perfect.
That they were "set up" (of course they were) doesn't really negate the fact that they had sex with underage girls. They used these girls as sexual toys. Yeah Epstein was a scumbag, but so were they.
Let me suggest that the behavior, while reprehensible, is not outside of historical norms across a wide range of cultures. Indeed I suspect for most of them it is more about power than the sex, the very fact that you are breaking taboo with impunity.
The really disgusting thing to me is that among a certain set, there wasn't even much of an attempt to hide it; it was almost a perverse fraternal organization abusing women and girls, abetted by even more perverse women.
About the verdict, if you are a defense attorney, don't just sit there. Get the hell off your sorry ass and stand with your client when a verdict is read.
There's a difference between a dumb move and a dick move. I think it was extremely dumb for Rittenhouse to walk among the rioters with a rifle slung around his neck. Well, seventeen year olds are inclined to vainglory and hubris and lying about their age to join the Marines. But such gestures are not dick moves. Joseph Rosenbaum's life, by way of contrast, was an unbroken series of dick moves. His seeking out and trying to attack an armed man was by no means the dickiest move of his scumbag life but it certainly was his last. If Rosenbaum had lived out his natural life, you could count on him screwing up another dozen lives. He, not Rittenhouse, was the active shooter...
I hope Rittenhouse finds some way to live out a sane and balanced life, but he has suddenly become very famous and subject not just to petty harassment but to the temptations of fame. A lot of things can go wrong.....Maybe that police officer who shot Michael Brown shows the way. He moved to some out of the way spot and doesn't opine on the issues of the day. He's been pretty much forgotten and has a chance to lead a normal life.....The final chapter on Zimmerman hasn't been written, but there's a good chance it won't end well. Zimmerman leaned into the fame, but when there's that many people eager to report all the bad news on you, it's hard to remain unsullied.....We have learned that Rittenhouse flashed the okay sign. That's all they've got right now, but they'll keep digging. Whose life can stand all that much scrutiny..... (Just as an aside, I wonder how the mothers of the children that Rosenbaum raped feel about Rosenbaum's untimely death.)
"To all those vile PoSs that are wondering what would happen if Rittenhouse was black: wonder no more. That MF who shot Ashli Babbitt didn't get charged with a damned thing, so now you know exactly what would happen. Thanks for playing though."
Might be the worst analogy in the history of the internet.
During 19 days of the Rittenhouse trial 10 people were shot in Milwaukee and no one has been charged in any of these cases. Over the year 176 people have been shot, 91% of them from the black community. There have been charges in only 23% of the cases. This is the real result of the anti-police protests - a breakdown of law and order that hits the black community hardest. Wouldn't it be better for Governor Evers to think about the true aftermath of being anti-police rather than to beat the false narrative drum with all the other Dems? But perhaps it's necessary to bang that drum hard to keep people from noticing all the equity in Milwaukee.
Mr. Rittenhouse might want to move to Atlanta now that he owns CNN.
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