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"Poland’s top court ruled Thursday that its national laws can trump those of the European Union...."
"The Constitutional Tribunal in Warsaw ruled that parts of E.U. law were not compatible with the country’s constitution.
They include an article that says that laws from Brussels have primacy over conflicting national legislation and another relating to the binding nature of decisions of the European Court of Justice.
Those principles are essential to how the union functions legally.... 'It’s at the core of the union,' said Didier Reynders, the European Union’s justice commissioner.... Poland’s justice minister, Zbigniew Ziobro, described the decision Thursday as 'historic,' saying it set the 'constitutional limits' of E.U. 'interference' in Polish cases.... The move puts the country on the path to 'Polexit' said Jeroen Lenaers, justice spokesman for the largest political bloc in the European Parliament.... 'Enough is enough. The Polish government has lost its credibility.'"
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"The Polish government has lost its credibility." Sez the EU.
"Poland retains its sovereignty and independence." Sez the Poles.
I, for one, look forward to Mr. Lenaers finding out that he has no power over Poland.
"The Polish government has lost its credibility."
Au contraire. The Polish government has gained credibility as the Polish government.
The EU, as currently constituted, does require subjection to EU law. But that denationalizing elite project always lacked legitimacy, and when tested in past referenda on a "constitution" was shot down. Did electorates ever approve the wholesale transfer of authority to transnational bodies?
Of course, I despise the Eurocrats. But the dilemma is real: how to square joint action in a common market under some rule of law with democratic legitimacy of national legislation and adjudication?
...to quote one of my favorite movies: ...which, according to tradition, meant the loss of another star.
Of course, the entity that has lost its credibility is the European Union.
I like the cut of Poland's jib.
I've read recently about Americans moving to Poland for a lot of reasons, but usually cost of living and quality of life.
But also to get away from the increasingly authoritarian U.S.
Plus, they hate commies...bonus!
The EU is pretty much run to accommodate Germany and the Poles do remember 1939.
Good for them. They think for themselves and don't like the open border, Socialistic European Union that doesn't work for them.
Excellent result. Who elected those chair-warmers in Brussels who, big surprise, require real people in the provinces to pay for their gestures and follies?
Seems like all you have to do is incorporate The Vatican into the EU (or maybe vice versa) and you have the rebirth of the Holy Roman Empire.
All things old are new again!
'Enough is enough. The Polish government has lost its credibility.'
I guess one can't say "the EU has lost its credibility", because it never had any in the first place.
But the Polish government protecting Poles from the dicktats of the Germans and the French is not Poland losing its credibility.
The "glory" of the EU got smoked when various countries in the EU started enforcing their national borders because of Covid. Once you lose the Schengen free travel era, the idea that some unelected back robed thugs in Brussels get to tell everyone else what to do rather loses any legitimacy it might have had.
So the Eurocrats had best beware. Pick a fight with the Poles, and you may find your own people siding with the Poles
Let Poland be Poland!
Point 1. Most pontificators (present company excluded) couldn't find Poland on a globe.
2. The Poles, along with the Hungarians and Czechs and others have paid the price of the transnational idealism of others repeatedly, and would like try out their own versions of modernity.
3. The Poles, etc., have not yet been taught to despise their ancestors, which makes the teeth of many outsiders grind.
Up with Europe, Down with Euro-peonism.
Amusingy, Germaany's Constitutional Court does much the same thing from time to time. The EU gets a fit of the vapors, but strangely we never hear anything about Germany being chucked out.
Anyway....
....a German man, a Polish man, a young lady and a nun are on a train. The train goes into a tunnel, throwing the carriage into darkness. There is a loud smacking noise. When the train emerges from the tunnel, there is a large red mark on the German's face.
The German thinks - "That dirty Pole tried to molest the young lady and she must have tried to slap him and hit me by mistake."
The young lady thinks : "That German must have tried to molest me but mistook the nun for me, so she slapped him."
The nun thinks : "That German must have tried to molest the young lady and so she slapped him."
The Pole thinks : "Next tunnel, I'm slapping him again."
National sovereignty... an idea so crazy it might just work!
Poland has a geographic problem, always has. Because it is between Germany and Russia, and culturally different from both. Separating themselves from Europe could be risky. Some of the commenters focus on 1939, which is fair, but for 200 years before that it was Russia that was partitioning Poland. Unfortunately, Poland drew a bad card from the deck as to location -- no defensible borders east and west, and two military giants on either side. A Polish exit from the EU could leave it a finlandlized satellite of Russia, at some point say 20 years from now, though not, I think, immediately. Good luck to Poland, but one of the things about 1939 that is often forgotten is that Poland overplayed its diplomatic hand in the '30s, assuming it was stronger militarily than it was.
One reason Poland can afford to separate from EU, btw, is that Poland's closest relation in last generation has been with UK -- there are almost one million Poles either working or domiciled in the UK. Anyone who's visited a good London hotel has probably noticed that (staff). So, now that UK is out, Poland can afford to stand up to the EU a bit more.
Americans aren't very interested in the EU, but it will be quite interesting to watch it next few years -- with Britain out, Nordstream 2, and -- maybe -- a "progressive" coalition governing Germany.
There are a lot of useless bureaucratic parasites that will be unhappy being removed from their host.
The Poles, like the Czechs and Hungarians have had the lesson on communism. They know better.
Seems more like the Polish government has just reclaimed some of its credibility.
Poland doesn't need the EU to defend it from Russia, it has NATO (which, in military terms, means "The US with some assistance from the UK").
Go Poland. It appears is Americans need another lesson from Poland.
I just felt a thrill go up my leg.
Go Poland! The EU is a 100 times more undemocratic than our own Federal government. Do you Poland!
Thank God. Good for the Poles. They didn't fight the Nazi and Communists, to end up being dictated to by some EU lawyers and Bearuocrats in Brussells.
The EU has gone way beyond its original scope. Its supposed to be about Economics. Not imposing one set of cultural and social ideas on all of europe.
Norpois, you might know this but your comment leaves out that Poland was partitioned in 1939 by Germany and Russia (the Soviet Union) in a coordinated invasion from both the West and the East. So 1939 just further demonstrates the “geographic problem”
The Poles are stuck between Germany and Russia.
They need to bring back the spirit of Sobieki and invest heavily in their military. If hey were he biggest, baddest force on the Continent, then they would be able to dictate terms to the weak French and Germans.
But that would require lots less social spending.... so that's a choice. Kind of like the Finns: do they invest more in "Universal Basic Income" or do they buy a few hundred more tanks to keep the Russkies at bay?
The Poles have successfully fought off their oppressors for nearly two thousand years of recorded history.
and the designer of the eu, was aldo spinelli, an italian communist
Good. I hope it works out for the Poles who have historically been screwed over by major powers six ways from Sunday since like forever.
Bet the White House sides with the EU
I know the Jews have Polish jokes.
Do the Poles have Jewish Jokes?
Actually the Poles were divvied up between the two German and the Russian empires for about 150 years; ironically the 20th century ended for them with very little military threat from those directions.
With Germany acting as an attractive nuisance and Putin doing his best to facilitate immigration through Russia and into Europe proper, the Poles and other central European countries are a cultural front line.
I hope they hold.
For many Poles, the EU is just a resurrected form of the Austro-Prussian alliance that worked with Russia "partition" Poland at the end of the 18th century. France has replaced Austria (and had a lot to do with those partitions), and 'unified' Germany has replaced the Hohenzollerns, but Putin is looking and acting a lot like a Romanov. Too much like one for the Poles' comfort.
They have no intention of being the Duchy of Warsaw yet again.
More Brexit. "You don't really rule us."
A lot the US Constitution grew out of the interest of individual states protecting their sovereignty from potential takeover by the Federal government. This is now playing out in Europe with "states" being countries, and "Federal government" being EU. 230 years later we are still arguing about this, though the clear trend has been in favor of the Federal over state sovereignty. I'd love to hear the reflections of the COnstitutional scholars in the Althouse family on this point.
Is it pronounced "POLE-zit" or "poh-LEX-it"?
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