From "'My Dinner With André' at 40: Still Serving Hot Takes The film was a feature-length conversation. And it is still stirring up plenty of chatter today" by Mariella Rudi (NYT).
The movie — my favorite movie — premiered 40 years ago yesterday. I don't watch movies that often these days, but I did watch 2 movies in the last 2 days, which I rarely do. One was a movie that gives me a similiar experience to "André": "Coffee and Cigarettes." The other could be compared to "André" in that it's about the loss of the soul in a world of media: "To Die For."
ADDED: In the closing credits to "Coffee and Cigarettes," we hear Iggy Pop's version of "Louie Louie," which contains the line: "Turn on the news/It looks like a movie/It makes you want to sing/'Louie Louie.'" Iggy appears on one segment of the movie, consuming coffee and cigarettes with Tom Waits. Both men have quit smoking, and the celebrate quitting by having a smoke.
The last thing you see in the credits is "Long live Joe Strummer." I had to google to try to understand what that was about. I don't really know, but I found this:
And this — from a 2019 interview with the director, Jim Jarmusch:
You cast musicians frequently in your films and one of my favorite bits of casting is Joe Strummer in 1989’s Mystery Train. What drew you to Joe Strummer as “Elvis”?
Joe Strummer is a friend of mine, someone I deeply admire. He’s quite an interesting actor, he’s very focused. He and I were sort of like brothers in a way. Joe Strummer, in the most minimal way, taught me one of the most valuable things I’ve ever learned about human expression. That is what all of Strummer’s friends know as “Strummer’s Law,” these four words: no input, no output. You see that in The Clash, you see that in their openness to rockabilly, to reggae, to soul music, to hip-hop. You know, see that openness. In that way, The Clash are the antithesis of the Sex Pistols, who were super great in their style of reduction down to the essence. The Clash were open … like “Throw open the doors, see what the wind blows in on us.” Strummer was a very important person in my life. He’s someone who I miss a lot. I try to ask him advice sometimes, even now, and see what channels back to me. A remarkable person. I was so honored to know him.
Ah. Joe Strummer died in December 2002. "Coffee and Cigarettes" came out in 2003. Elvis died in 1977.
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Siskel and Ebert (remember them?) on My Dinner with Andre -- one of their ten best films of 1981.
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It's interesting how movies have been undermined by the 10-part television series format. You can do so much more with a television series, kind of like how you can do so much more in a novel than a short story or a novella.
Steven King stories struggled in the movie format but thrive in the television-series format. (Mr. Mercedes worked very well.)
Movies have their place, of course. Its hard to articulate exactly what that place is, though. What do movies do better than a television series does? Maybe romance? Super-hero stuff? Things with a definite and well-contained arc?
There is something to be learned here, and show producers have probably figured it out. But I haven't.
Coffee 1962 Snack Bar
I’ve grown to almost hate movies. They are too long and too short at the same time. Too long to sit for two hours, too short to really develop anything deep. Series like “The Crown” fix the latter problem. The former, I don’t know. I just think movies are a fading genre.
Thanks for this. I am in London at the moment and inspired to listen to London Calling
I like Wallace Shawn and his backwards-sounding name. He is a memorable character in one of my favorite movies, The Princess Bride. Sure it's ostensibly a children's movie*, but it is such a classic that it is quoted here several times per month, as "You keep using that word..." said by Mandy Patinkin's character. Billy Crystal and Carol Kane as the old bickering couple who pronounce the hero only "mostly dead." The lisping preacher. The giant. The six-fingered man. But the classic scene is Wally Shawn droning on about being a genius Sicilian while growing more agitated that he doesn't know from which chalice to drink. Great scene!
*Perhaps this is a lost golden age of movies made "for children" with lots of things only adults would laugh at; my wife and I also watch The Fantastic Mr. Fox at least twice yearly, if only for the outstanding sound track. Raising Arizona is only ostensibly about a baby, but is an adult-oriented movie, I think. It's on the list. We like to laugh.
I just think movies are a fading genre.
A good deal of that is the sameness and inhumanity of the current crop. The Big Studios are oriented to pleasing China which means (I wish I knew where I'd seen this) no sex, absolutely no hint of homo-sex, no "controversial" characters or plots (i.e. that might seem to criticize Big Chinese Brother even obliquely), and a list of other things that China does not allow on screen. So you get a lot of CGI with no engaging characters, where versions of the "buddy cop movie" get made, but the interaction and light banter are not a good replacement for characters that are couples. Movies have become commodity-like boring over-produced spectacles. That does lead to a fading genre.
I've never seen "My Dinner with Andre", which is surprising to myself. I wonder if I'd be able to sit through it today. We're all different now than we were in 1981. I seem to have less patience for long-winded conversations. But I suppose I owe it to myself. You know, "no input, no output".
Good to see Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros mentioned. Everyone's heard of The Clash, but I'm not sure how many gave a listen to Joe Strummers post-Clash band, The Mescaleros. Great music. Wide range of musical styles, as Jarmusch mentions in his take on The Clash. Strummer did not lose that. I think it expanded with the Mescaleros.
The problem with movies is that they are beholden to Chekhov's Law. If there is a pistol in Act 1, it will go off in Act 2. Real life is not like that. You see too many movies and the story-telling constructions become too obvious. There are no extraneous characters, so everyone is there to move the plot or make a point. Again, life is not like that.
A good series is a well-stocked larder of characters and situations. You never know what ingredients will be used in the next confection. (The problem with most series is that they run out of things to say and turn into soap opera, adding ingredients together at random to create the next contractually mandated dish.)
"Most of us have gone on some sort of spiritual or existential odyssey in the last 19 months.
No, most of us have been bored. Stuck at home, less activity, less stimulation. Bored is not a spiritual journey. Stuck at home is not an existential journey.
I love "My Dinner with Andre". I also love "To Die For", but not "Coffee and Cigarettes" so much.
Siskel and Ebert (remember them?) on My Dinner with Andre -- one of their ten best films of 1981.
I was a big fan of those two and followed their recommendations despite any misgivings. I was initially disinclined to see My Dinner With Andre, but thoroughly enjoyed it thanks to their recommendations. I would say the same about Saturday Night Fever which Siskel adored.
M Jordan@853--well said, at least the problem part. I haven't transitioned to the longer forms . . . I don't find watching actors as emotionally or intellectually fulfilling as other things I can do, not like I used to.
Good video.
"Good to see Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros mentioned. Everyone's heard of The Clash, but I'm not sure how many gave a listen to Joe Strummers post-Clash band, The Mescaleros. Great music..."
I love "Mondo Bongo."
Who is this “us” who have been on an odyssey in the last 19 months? Not me. Except for minor annoyances from the mask-weenies my life has been pretty much normal. It’s been a little scary to see how many people are ready to surrender their freedoms for a small sliver of “safety”; but such disappointment is hardly epochal.
I liked My Dinner With Andre. I think I saw it twice when it first came out, maybe more, and I've seen it several times since. But I don't think I'd really want to watch it again now or talk about it now. I associate it with that moment, not with today. I'm a little too familiar with Wallace Shawn, and as with Woody Allen, he's gotten to be a little embarrassing.
If you want to see more Wally and Andre, they were reunited in Vanya on 42nd Street, a reading of the Chekhov play, and Andre's current wife has made a documentary about him. His father was also an interesting, rather disreputable character.
Mondo Bongo is so good. Johnny Appleseed may be their catchiest tune, selected as the intro to the canceled-too-soon HBO show John from Cincinnati.
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