Said Nabila, a former judge, quoted in "Female Judges in Afghanistan, Now Jobless and in Hiding/They fear that they or their loved ones could be tracked down and killed because of their work delivering justice to women. 'We have lost everything — our jobs, our homes, the way we lived'" (NYT).
"They are women who had the effrontery to sit in judgment on men. The women judges of Afghanistan are under threat for applying the law. They are under threat because they have made rulings in favor of women according to law in family violence, custody and divorce cases.... Women judging men is anathema to the Taliban.... These women believed in their country, believed in human rights and believed in the importance of the rule of law and their duty to uphold it... [And because of that, t]hey are at risk of losing their lives.”
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Biden should have left a small US force there. And we never should have abandoned Bagram.
This is all on Joe, the ice cream eater with his silly sunglasses.
And, you want ME to do... What?
If Afghanies are treating women bad, that's my problem; how?
What do you want?
I guess that they should have fought harder then. Pick up a gun and shoot a Taliban official.
I have no more sympathy.
The passivity displayed by the female judges seems to be an acceptance of their new status. Playing the Taliban game leads to Taliban victory. When confronted with barbarism, shooting first is one suggestion worth considering.
Solzhenitsyn, writing about Stalinist purges, wondered about fighting back instead of passively being arrested. Had some of the arresting squads been killed every night they went out to fill their Black Marias, or better yet their supervisors been attacked in their homes, the millions sent to the gulags might have been fewer.
The judges know what they face. Shoot first.
I wonder if there are any men who worked in the previous government who also have been removed from authority and now live in fear. Or have been killed. Probably. I'm sure the women and children in their families are suffering disproportionately.
"They are under threat because they have made rulings in favor of women"
When your worldview boils down to identity politics, this is how you talk.
And exactly who did the Biden administration evacuate?
My thoughts on this are blocked by the censorship that the NYT’s support. They no longer get a robust debate to prevent such bad luck. I suggest New Zealand could easily solve this problem by providing refugee status to these birthing people and their families and asking the new legitimate Afghan government to allow them safe passage to New Zealand. This is the world these people wanted and will silence anyone that may criticize it.
Otherwise, let me know when our DoJ releases the hundreds of political prisoners arrested for trespassing on “the People’s House”. They lost their jobs and livelihoods too. That move will be the first sign that our country is turning away from its own tyrannical authoritative future.
is it supposed to sound important : rule of law
law is another word for rule : rule of rule / law of law
what makes these words different signifiers? - etymology?
Well, we all knew this would be happening, right? I mean, this is akin to an article about the sun rising in the east. And to say this is a Taliban thing is to remove Islam from any responsibility when you can look at other Islamic sects who are not Taliban and they would have the same opinion of women making judgements on men. Actually, that could be true of some other religions and their most fundamentalist believers. The difference being in how Islam deals with it.
They are who we thought they were. Nothing new here. The only thing new is that there are still Americans and allied Afghanis who are stuck among those ancient tribesmen and our media seems to think it's not enough of a story to give it one sentence. I wonder how they'd have covered it if this had been Trump? I suspect, non-stop.
Isn't that, like, cultural norms or something?
You break it you own it, libs…
This is all on Joe Biden and the people that supported him.
This is all on the Obama Administration and the people who supported it who wouldn't let us kill the Taliban.
We need to start shipping some of these freedom hating Karens to Afghanistan and replacing them with many of the women of Afghanistan who were infinitely braver and actually put something on the line for freedom.
What is happening in Afghanistan is terrible. We should spend a trillion dollars and send 150,000 troops to make sure they treat women and minorities correctly.
As we work our way down the alphabet, let's do Cuba next. We will be broke long before we get to Zimbabwe.
And yet my left leaning friends will tell me that this was inevitable, and we had to rip the band-aid off at some point. To them, these women are just the insignificant little hairs that tear out when you remove the bandage.
Impeach Joe Biden and then exile him to Afghanistan. F**k Joe Biden, a very dangerous senile old man.
If family courts in Afghanistan are anything like the ones in the US you can understand the feeling.
They can blame Joe Biden, who doesn't care what happens to the women in Afghanistan, anymore than he cares about the Americans left behind. He wanted adulation and praise for ending the Afghan war on 9/11. That was more important than their lives.
Such hateful Islamophobia coming from Ms. Glazebrook! Doesn't she realize she is "punching down" at the poor benighted muslims, just like Charlie Hebdo did? She's stalled out in the middle of the intersectionality -- don't block the box.
Imagine if so-called feminists had the courage of their convictions enough to call for a boycott of all the Islamic countries that oppress women in the same way that they boycotted the Apartheid countries? But they don't. They can't even bring themselves to support Juanita Broadderick, or stand up for female athletes who don't want to have to compete against adult males (men), or for female authors who dare to create characters from different races, genders, or sexual preferences.
How does one 'deliver justice to women'?
Via GrubHub?
How about just applying the pertinent law and not worrying so much about who it is helping?
Perhaps Milley, Austin, and Blinken can explain why the US didn’t prioritize female judges and more of the at-risk Afghans, and have a plan to get them out. Maybe Susan Glazebrook can convince New Zealand’s military to rescue them? Just askin’
Mr. Wibble:
"I guess that they should have fought harder then. Pick up a gun and shoot a Taliban official.
I have no more sympathy."
Exactly! If you strike the King, you must kill the King. Who knew?
How many people do we need to murder to fix this?
Wince said...
And exactly who did the Biden administration evacuate?
At Fort McCoy, Wisconsin, at least one pervert and one wife beater. At Fort Bliss a female service member was assaulted. https://nypost.com/2021/09/25/fbi-investigates-female-service-member-assaulted-by-afghan-refugees-at-fort-bliss/
They brought measles with them.
Just another reason why Biden’s withdrawal operation from Afghanistan was a success! Right? I’m waiting for another press conference to gaslight Americans again.
Howard said...How many people do we need to murder to fix this?
Really, Howard? Even for you...
"How many people do we need to murder to fix this?" When Howard's right, he's dead right.
The neocons (our right-wing Trotskyites, as I like to call them) and the nation-builders-through-art therapists screwed the pooch, and in truth very few people have many shits left to give.
Guys rule, bitches.
I'm with the unsympathetic commenters. Those judges didn't join the army, and neither did their husbands and sons, so now they are at the mercy of those who were willing to fight. That is the way the world works. If the plan is that our sons should go fight for them, then I'm sorry, but no.
Will anyone ever ask Biden to explain the conflict between what he told Stephanopoulos about recommendations to leave a residual force in Afghanistan and what his generals told the Senate?
I don't think so. The lie will remain unchallenged. Female judges be damned.
If only they had some strong, courageous, fierce grrrrrrrrrllzzzz who had the courage to pick up some weapons (the place is awash in guns) and start shooting Taliban. Sure they will probably die, but I keep getting told by feminists that women are uniformly brave and courageous and ready to fight the horrible patriarchy that oppresses them. Wouldn't their brave example inspire more of those strong, courageous, fierce women to fight for themselves? Don't they have an Afghan Boadicea who will rise up in revolt against such gendered tyranny?
Not to mock the Afghan judge - who is probably a zillion times braver than I am - but I suspect the feminists are waiting for men to come and rescue them.
Not. Gonna. Happen. Ice Cream Joe has made sure of that.
Power comes from the barrel of a gun. The Afghanis who want different type of country will have to fight for it themselves.
Yeah, Female judges....sad. I'm sure Mittens and Miss Lindsey are still crying.
BTW, how many Afghans were killed/maimed last year?
"they are at risk"
Tough luck. It's their culture. It would be imperially orientalist for us to change it. They should check with Allah and his Prophet. Good luck ladies!
On a lighter note...My wife and I happened to be on the same plane this past weekend with a large group of Afghan refugees. Behind us sat a mother with two young kids. Maybe 4 or 5 years old. While waiting for everyone to board one of the kids stood up in her chair and began patting the top of my head. I could only laugh. Then during flight she would stick her hand between our seats motioning that she wanted to high five. I can only guess that there was a lot of high fiving going during interactions with American troops back in Afghanistan. Btw, the father, who was sitting across the aisle, was wearing a Biden baseball cap.
Almost all of the men in Afghanistan are cowards and kinda like how the Taliban does things.
There are a lot of people on this board that are taking their freedom for granted.
But for the women of Afghanistan there should be true empathy.
There are a lot of people saying shit on here that should feel shame.
Howard said...
How many people do we need to murder to fix this?
To be honest most males over the age of 17 in Afghanistan.
You have a choice.
Women bought and sold as sex slaves or dead men.
We were on a path to that with a lot less bloodshed. But people like you just don't give a shit.
They don’t have a four star transexual admiral like we do.
I'll take women bought and sold as sex slaves for $100, Alex.
That IS the culture. Short of genocide it's ineradicable. IMO.
And how much true empathy would the women of A-stan show me?
"These women believed in their country, believed in human rights and believed in the importance of the rule of law and their duty to uphold it... [And because of that, t]hey are at risk of losing their lives.”"
Heckuva job, Brandon!
How many liberal "Howards" will pick and gun and die to stop this?
Zero.
They just send others to die. And talk tough.
Thanks for the honest answer, Achilles.
The best the US could do is to liberally offer more Afghan women green cards under special persecuted refugee status.
'Tough luck. It's their culture. It would be imperially orientalist for us to change it.'
Correct...imperialism and racism go hand-in-hand, and are the two worst sins on earth.
So solve your own goddamn problems. I refuse to care.
It's all just part of the process.
When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
And go to your God like a soldier!
If it was good enough for Tommy Atkins and Mahmood and Sanjay, it's good enough for today's modern Afghanette.
I'll be curious to hear everything Nitschke scholar Howard the Twat is doing to help Afghan refugees acclimate to the USA and help them become good new citizens in his community. He probably already has an Afghan family staying in his home and he's teaching them English and letting them know how bad Republicans are. Because Howard the Twat is such a decent man.
What did they expect?
Somebody call Margaret Attwood, stat!
“A dark future is awaiting everyone in Afghanistan, especially female judges."
I feel for these folks - and others under the Taliboot - but wonder why we don’t read of concern for what has been reported to be as many as 1,000 Americans abandoned in Afghanistan?
Not even any smarmy excrement out of Peppermint Psaki’s freckled cakehole.
The idea that we should perpetually shoulder "the white man's burden" because we were the victims of the 9/11 attacks is ludicrous.
Biden severely botched the withdrawal, but Taliban rule is what Afghanistan had before the attacks, and it returned even before we were fully withdrawn. The consequences of Taliban rule on individual Afghans are the collective responsibility of the Afghan people.
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