"'We have not, to date, seen any evidence of anarchist violence extremists or people subscribing to Antifa in connection to the 6th,' Wray told the Senate on Tuesday. 'We're coming after it' if there's violence from both the left and the right, he added, but in the Capitol, there wasn't evidence of leftists adding fuel to the insurrection... Wray said the bureau is seeing 'quite a number of what would we call militia violent extremists' as the FBI builds its cases agains the rioters. He specifically mentioned the groups the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. He added that they have seen in their investigations instances of 'racially motivated violent extremists' who advocate for White supremacy. 'One of the things that is happening as part of this is that as we build out the cases on the individuals when we arrest them for the violence, we're getting a richer and richer understanding of the different people's motivations,' he said. 'But certainly as I said, militia violent extremism and some instances of racially motivated violent extremism, especially advocating for the superior [sic] of the white race.'... 'The problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a long time now and it is not going is a way any time soon,' Wray said...."
From CNN's ongoing coverage of testimony this morning from FBI Director Christopher Wray before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
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Sounds like she'd fit right in on Anne's blog.
Mutaman said...
Wray is such a deep stater. Who's the moron who appointed him?
Who is the deep stater that recommended him to Trump that Trump no doubt still trusts?
"Who is the deep stater that recommended him to Trump that Trump no doubt still trusts?"
-- Trump was too cautious in not just firing everyone. Biden has shown you CAN purge your enemies from appointed positions, so the next Republican president will not hold back -- if they want to be successful and not face 4 years of #Resistance.
"How do they distinguish right-wing extremists from left-wing extremists?"
If they are old, white, overweight, and wearing a red MAGA cap, they are probably rightwing.
Note:
Washington D.C. has been in full military occupation complete with check points and razor wire for 58 days, and Ann Althouse hasn't said a word.
"If you want to pretend there isn't a double standard, that's fine. But at least try and be creative in how you try to gaslight us."
I'm not pretending anything. Since you can't or won't point me to any reputable document or website or other source documenting this double standard, why should I simply take your word for it? If it is as clear as you believe, can't you back it up with some facts showing, eg, BLM rioters are treated differently than Proud Boy rioters, etc. You are alleging that the FBI considers politics in making decisions re investigations, arrests, charging decisions, etc. That is quite a claim. But you don't have any evidentiary support. It's just your "feelings" apparently.
Biden has shown you CAN purge your enemies from appointed positions, so the next Republican president will not hold back
In your dreams. We've seen this show before. Too many Republicans are part of the problem. The reason Trump appointed Wray was because he could get him confirmed, meaning that the RINOs that held the balance of power in the Senate would vote to confirm him. There are always too many Republicans aligned with the Deep State to do a real purge.
Almost everything you hear on television makes sense and is true if you just preface it with the phrase, "The party line is ...."
People aren't telling you what's true or what's likely to be true or even necessarily what they think themselves.
They are giving you the approved official truth of their agency or side or party or movement.
The conclusion comes before the investigation and everyone is fine with that, because what's important isn't what's true, but which "truth" is most useful.
At two months they're not at a "point" where they can say what killed the police man? Is Fauci doing the autopsy?
Sorry, indpendent. I assumed you were passingly familiar with current events -- such as how multiple media companies worked to identify rioters at the January 6 riot and Federal charges against women who tried to burn police alive in New York were given a plea bargain. The FBI *clearly* makes political decisions in their investigations, as can be seen with the Carter Page documents, how the man who falsified FBI documents received little to no punishment.
I don't have the time to provide you with a link for everything you want in a discussion. You're either going to have to prove your assertion, show how the facts I'm stating aren't correct (for example, showing where the media and companies worked in concert to invade people's privacy to identify rioters at other events -- even to the point of misidentifying people leading to them receiving death threats, for example.) Because, I've given plenty of reasons for why I think the FBI does treat different political protesters differently, even citing the previous Inauguration rioters who actually did significant damage to property.
If you are not familiar enough with recent events that you *don't know these things,* then you need to be reading the news or Wikipedia -- not engaging in debates over current events. If you go to a historical convention and keep interrupting the speakers with questions like: "Yes, but can you prove when Virginia was settled by Europeans," you're going to be ignored, because a certain, baseline level of knowledge is expected.
"At two months they're not at a "point" where they can say what killed the police man?"
-- That isn't entirely impossible; it does, however, make me believe the answer isn't "hit in the head with a fire extinguisher." Because, I feel that that would be fairly easy to identify.
Who is the deep stater that recommended him to Trump that Trump no doubt still trusts?
No Trump doesn't.
BTW, I understand that Director Wray told Senator Grassley that he cannot state the cause of Officer Brian Sicknick's death "because of the ongoing investigation." Really? Gullible Althouse will no doubt fall for that, and Inga and her fellow lefty lunatic trolls will lap it right up. But, really? The FBI knows what the cause of death is but cannot disclose it? Why not?
Chris Christie recommended Wray to Trump for FBI head. Says it all, doesn't it?
All those old white guys climbing all over the edifice were certainly right wingers. Mutaman report to sick bay for a urine drop.
Link Wray was a badass doing heavy metal licks before anyone even overdrove their amps. Chrissy-fur Wray is a lying shitnosed swamp-weasel best left alone and ignored, like most swamp weasels.
You are alleging that the FBI considers politics in making decisions re investigations, arrests, charging decisions, etc. That is quite a claim.
@independent, that's been true going back to the Civil Rights demonstrations of the 1970s. It's not as though there's anything secret about it. The FBI of Freeh, Mueller, Comey, McCabe, and Wray is not the FBI of Efrem Zimbalist, Jr.
This goes arm and arm with the media's big ignore of all Antifa and BLM violence.
“So, right wing domestic terrorism has been building up? But has so far killed virtually no one and burned no buildings. The most you can say is that some proud boys rumbled with some antifa a few times. This is all an excuse to take guns away and spy on people.
Oh how quickly they forget.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/three-men-connected-boogaloo-movement-tried-provoke-violence-protests-feds-n1224231
Plotted to firebomb power stations to create a diversion so they could instigate a riot in the BLM protests.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/wesley-somers-nashville-courthouse-fire/
A Three Percenter charged with arson of the historic Nashville Courthouse.
https://abc7news.com/steven-carrillo-damon-gutzwiller-pat-underwood-santa-cruz-county/6255122/
Two murders, one of a deputy and one of a federal officer. Boogaloo Boy.
Sorry, I meant to write “1960’s”.
Heh... it’s amusing to see someone actually watched the Golden Globes.
Russia Russia Inag - now do Antifa in Portland.
Basically, Jan 6th was media manufactured crisis that was an excuse to not talk about electoral fraud and impeach Trump. It also served the purpose of justifying the Democrats coming crack-down on Conservative/Right Wing dissidents.
what actually happened on Jan 6th? Due to a lack of security, about 800 people walked into the Capital building, broke a few windows, and stole a few things. A couple 100 or maybe less, got into fights with the police. One person was murdered by the police. Another policeman died the next day for reasons unclear, and unrelated to the violence. Two other policeman were hospitalized.
And that's it! Yep, the Democrats and the Media have turned this into an "Insurrection" a "Reichstag fire". And true to form the republicans have gone along with it, and all the Conservative punditry have too, or lapsed into radio silence. Even now, with the truth out, people on this thread feel they have to preface their remarks with "I think the rioters should be punished, blah blah".
You really have to wonder what the Democrats/Media CANNOT get away with. No matter what they do, they face ZERO substantive opposition. The so-called opposition (Republicans/Conservatives) always seem more interested in avoiding media criticism or staying friends with the Democrats then actually opposing them. You'd think that one day the Democrats and their media pals will go too far and get massive real opposition. but based on what I've seen the last 4 years, I doubt it.
The USA is theirs for the taking.
Lying liars are going to lie... and obfuscate
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Far-left rioter John Sullivan falsely accuses @MrAndyNgo
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The alleged photographic evidence that Sullivan points to pictures another Asian man.
RE: independent:
I'm not pretending anything. Since you can't or won't point me to any reputable document or website or other source documenting this double standard, why should I simply take your word for it? If it is as clear as you believe, can't you back it up with some facts showing, eg, BLM rioters are treated differently than Proud Boy rioters, etc.
Sure, let's contrast the rate of prosecution of protesters in Portland (where there were nightly assaults on a federal courthouse, among other targets) with the rate of prosecution of protesters in the Capitol riot.
DC: One day of protest, 249 individuals being prosecuted so far (I'm using copy paste into Excel to count). Charges are mostly things like "Entering and remaining in a restricted building," "disorderly conduct," etc. Some of them have items like resisting or impeding law enforcement, theft of government property, conspiracy, possessing a firearm on capitol grounds, or "Parading, Demonstrating, and Picketing in a Capitol Building" the last of which seems like it probably shouldn't be a crime, but it's listed as a charge for a lot of these cases.
Portland: As of August 27, 2020, after more than 90 nights of violent protests, 74 people charged federally. That's 249 for one day of violent protests vs. 74 for 90 days of violent protests. Suggestive of a double standard?
Of course, there's a jurisdictional distinction with DC. A lot of crimes that could be federal in DC might just be state crimes in Oregon, after all. What do we see at the state level?
Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt, leaning on a group of community representatives he called his transition team, announced Tuesday that his office will drop most of the charges filed against protesters in Portland.
His prosecutors won’t pursue demonstrators accused of interfering with police, disorderly conduct, criminal trespass, escape or harassment if the allegations don’t involve “deliberate’' property damage, theft or force against another person or threats of force, Schmidt said.
Ah.
I haven't done through each of the 249 individuals charged in DC, and the meaning of the term "deliberate" isn't really clear, but I would guess a lot of the 249 individuals not just arrested but indicted in DC would probably drop out under that standard. And I'm not saying that the state prosecutor's standard is the right standard! Rather, I think the crackdown in Portland should have been considerably swifter and more severe.
But to your point -- yes, I absolutely see a double standard here.
"Basically, Jan 6th was media manufactured crisis"
Its all so unfair.
Double standard: The FBI Facebook page routinely (like almost every day) posts photos of individuals "who took part in the violence at the U.S. Capitol. ". Not "allegedly", but stated fact.
I've searched the FBI FB page and haven't located one single post asking the public to identify or "help capture" individuals who took part in violence associated with BLM protests or Antifa riots.
That's my idea of a double standard.
"If they are old, white, overweight, and wearing a red MAGA cap, they are probably rightwing."
And if they are young, multi-racial, thin and like to fuck little boys, they are probably leftwing.
Now that we've got our scorecards...
The FBI couldn't find Joe Louis in a bowl of rice.
Re: Balfegor
My view of the agent provocateur claim -- both when Democrats were raising it to try and blame BLM/Antifa violence on Republicans, and today when Republicans are trying to use it to blame Antifa for the Capitol riot..."
I don't see any Republicans, conservatives, or right-oriented people of consequence using the provocateur angle to "blame Antifa for the Capitol riot". In fact, I've pretty much seen everyone from the Right condemn the riot, so unless you can produce some evidence of prominent folks on the right doing what you claim here, this comes across as highly disingenuous.
I did, however, note many luminaries among the Left and Democrats sprinkling a lot of blame shifting among encouraging the rioting, while providing bail money. One of them even presides over the US Senate.
"All that said, based on the videos I've seen of the interior of the Capitol during the riot, there are probably a number of people who unlawfully entered the Capitol after police had been overrun in the mistaken belief that the police had let them in and that they were allowed to be there."
Police overrun? Based on the videos I've seen, I saw the capitol police allowing the protesters inside, and even escorting them. Police sanction tends to lend an air of legality, sort of like state and local governments around the country - with the blessing of national level politicians - allowing and encouraging rampant, nation wide violence just might have given a handful of people the idea that rioting was a valid form of political expression.
For the record, I don't think the Jan 6th riot was a valid form of expression, but I also don't think that just because it tightened the sphincters of DC politicians that it was worse than the riots that have been occurring since 2016 at much greater cost in terms of lives and damage.
Well in the Comey Wray FBI (and in Washington in general) Anti Fa is a myth and at bost an idea, but by bum White Supremacy is a FACT!!!!! and the source of domestic teror which must be put down.
There's a reason why I tend to believe that FBI directors need skills as accomplished liars as part of the job description.
Inga said "Oh how quickly they forget."
Oh no, not the BOOGALOO BOYS!?!
Hey, you've got not even a handful of examples of fringe actors whose actions are supported by no one of consequence on the Right.
Now, for funsies, let's take a look at the ~40 or so dead and billions in property damage from 2020 alone, and which prominent Democrats either A) refused to condemn, or b) actively condoned, enabled, or even supported the hordes of domestic terrorists rampaging across the country in 2020. Hint: A couple of them occupy the two highest political offices in the land.
Ready....go!
"so unless you can produce some evidence of prominent folks on the right doing what you claim here, this comes across as highly disingenuous."
What a moronic hanging curveball.
1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/02/11/half-republicans-say-that-capitol-violence-was-mostly-antifas-fault/
2. https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/after-the-ballots-are-counted-conspiracies-political-violence-and-american-exceptionalism/
3. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/07/antifa-capitol-gaetz-trump-riot/
4. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/us/politics/antifa-conspiracy-capitol-riot.html
5. https://www.newsweek.com/most-republicans-still-believe-capitol-riot-antifa-conspiracies-poll-1561542
Christopher Wray has got to go. How f'ing sad an American is he?
Earnest Prole said...
Left or Right, you know ya dun fucked up when you find yourself looking through photos of your riot and praying you can spot someone who belongs to the other side.
I find it amusing when left wingers pretend to have consistent principles. Unfortunately left wingers have spent a year now pretending the antifa riots were caused by others including on this thread. Somehow though you have yet to criticize even one instance on the left.
Surely this is just a coincidence. More seriously thanks for demonstrating how left wingers play the game. Apply a strict standard to the opposition while never mentioning it in regard to your allies.
Balfegor said...
Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt, leaning on a group of community representatives he called his transition team, announced Tuesday that his office will drop most of the charges filed against protesters in Portland.
His prosecutors won’t pursue demonstrators accused of interfering with police, disorderly conduct, criminal trespass, escape or harassment if the allegations don’t involve “deliberate’' property damage, theft or force against another person or threats of force, Schmidt said.
Ah.
I haven't done through each of the 249 individuals charged in DC, and the meaning of the term "deliberate" isn't really clear, but I would guess a lot of the 249 individuals not just arrested but indicted in DC would probably drop out under that standard. And I'm not saying that the state prosecutor's standard is the right standard! Rather, I think the crackdown in Portland should have been considerably swifter and more severe.
But to your point -- yes, I absolutely see a double standard here.
This is clear. In addition note the double standard in the law enforcement response to the riots. BLMantifa riots went on for 6 months with police never calling in help and intentionally allowing the riots night after night. Until the election of course, then they called in reinforcements and started arresting people. The riots were over the next day.
Right wingers rioted one day and they called in 30,000 troops.
But somehow the left isn't sure there's a double standard. I suppose most of them are only pretending to be stupid but you'd think it would get a little embarrassing after a while.
Re: GMay:
In fact, I've pretty much seen everyone from the Right condemn the riot, so unless you can produce some evidence of prominent folks on the right doing what you claim here, this comes across as highly disingenuous.
Poppycock. There are plenty of people in these very comments who have taken that position, so that's the conversation we're having.
For example, iowan2:
I don't believe any of the supposed first person reporting in this account.
The rally was for Supporters of President Trump. Those that incited the riots were leftist. Ex-FBI agent witnessed a bus load of antifa thugs being unloaded. Who knows how many more buses hauled in rioters.
BidenFamily:
Just as I suspected. False flags,... fake Maga. -- leftists and antifa spoiling it all.
A lot of commenters have been less definitive, but still generally supportive of the possibility of an Antifa operation, e.g.
Dr. Weevil:
There were reports a couple of days ago that Antifa was planning on infiltrating the march to make it look bad. Looks like that may be true. Others have noticed that a whole lot of those inside the Capitol seem to be wearing all black.
Michael K:
There are a number of eyewitness accounts of the rally describing Antifa types. Here is Michael Yon's account.
Achilles:
So antifa were in the building and provoking violence and selling video footage.
Totally not a false flag op.
Nothing to see here.
Wendybar:
And Trump condemned the violence. I still think this is Antifa. They were talking about infiltrating and dressing as Trump supporters. I would not put it past the Democrats little Brown Shirts.
Some who were open to the idea of a large scale false flag operation, like rcocean:
We have no idea how many of these Capital Hill protesters were Actual Trump supporters and how many were anarchists or Antifa running a false flag operation.
And people pushing back on my identification of the rioters as Trump supporters, e.g. donald:
How do you know they are Trump Supporters Balfegor? Hats? Tshirts?
I'm not condemning anyone for taking these positions (and certainly not for merely being open to the possibility). But look, that's the conversation that was going on in the comments. That's the conversation I'm responding to. Antifa infiltrators was a possibility seriously advanced and considered amongst the commenters here -- no need to pretend otherwise.
"Poppycock. There are plenty of people in these very comments who have taken that position, so that's the conversation we're having."
Boo. Facts are stupid things.
Can I just say how happy this thread makes me?
Finally the same "extremists, bigots, kooks," etc. that Buckley worked so hard to purge from his conservative movement in order for Republicans to win office are back in charge. This is wonderful news.
Hundreds of thousands of Republicans are throwing away their registrations to walk away from this dysfunctional mess of conspiracy, tribalism, anti-reason, animosity and hatred for the facts/basic reality. The party that can't govern is finally going on an all-out assault to destroy the government, and then pretending that it can't figure out who did (and is doing) the destroying. Us? Of course not! What a vote-getter. How rational.
"We're just going after random, anonymous enemies! Only the left rides along to commit actual violence - so that they can blame it on us!" Tell that to the judges and prosecutors at these insurrection trials. Or are you as afraid to do that as you were to cop to the judges who threw out Team Giuliani's 60+ cases? The same Giuliani that cheap Don withholds payment to?
Americans who prefer to use their brains can now rejoice.
BTW, "antifa" is not an organization. It has no leader. Opposition to fascism is simply an amorphous, default position of being an American or any citizen of a decent, free society. It is the cause that America fought in the greatest threat to civilization a mere 80 years ago, after Republican policies gave us the same fascists here and abroad that they're growing in America today.
You don't like acts of vandalism? That's nice. Go prosecute vandals, have a field day.
Blanket suppression of the fed-up, widespread attitudes your ignorant, divisive arrogance has bred is not a coalition-building political platform, though. Hallelujah for that.
dont believe a word of it
@Balfegor, the only three journalists in the United States worth paying attention to are Andy Ngo, James O’Keefe, and famous war correspondent Michael Yon. Michael Yon was at the Capitol on January 6th, and if he claims that he saw ANTIFA (his spelling) members acting as Agents Provocateur, then the case is closed. Period.
"Michael Yon was at the Capitol on January 6th, and if he claims that he saw ANTIFA (his spelling) members acting as Agents Provocateur, then the case is closed. Period."
"this dysfunctional mess"
Ex 1
Where were these people educated?
The only group holding back the globalist's dream is the America First crowd. The purge begins. Jan. 6 was phase one. They are now running the phase two OP. Think of the Russian Hoax. Now they will put a bunch of people who at worst trespassed, in jail to complete the narrative. They will think nothing about ruining someone's life for the "collective good".
Michael Yon is a war correspondent. He was in Iraq when I was there and he was one of less than five that were out with the troops (not in a guarded enclave) and told it exactly like I saw it. After years in Iraq, he spent a few years in Afghanistan, then Myannamar, Thailand, and last year Hong Kong. He came back to the US last summer to report on Antifa, then went to DC, Atlanta and back to DC for Jan 6. He identified numerous antifa and showed pictures. Andy Ngo, similar. They both identified 20 or so antifa that stoked the riots. Including one guy who Yon dubbed "3 hats" who broke the window that Ashli Babbit was then killed at seconds later. He then ran downstairs, changed clothes and hat, and came back into the crowd. Christopher Wray is full of $hit.
Republicans, if they are Republicans, should immediately call Yon and Ngo to testify.
Unfortunately left wingers have spent a year now pretending the antifa riots were caused by others including on this thread. Somehow though you have yet to criticize even one instance on the left.
I take it you're new here, so I'll make it easy for you: Read my Althouse comments on Antifa here and here, and then tell me if you still think I'm a left-winger.
This kind of bs is why we need to split up the country.
Re: Balfegor
"Poppycock. There are plenty of people in these very comments who have taken that position, so that's the conversation we're having."
I'm going to need you to read for comprehension.
I'm not talking about randos in a blog comment section. I quite clearly stated, and you quoted "prominent folks on the right" [emphasis mine, since you apparently missed it], so while I'm sure some commenters here will appreciate your elevation of their influence, you ignored clear word choice and utterly missed the clear context.
But I do commend you combing the thread for evidence unasked for.
Thanks.
Michael Yon- just another Trumpster. Who cares? You geniuses blew it and now you can spend the rest of your lives whining about it.
Gmay
You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself.
"BTW, "antifa" is not an organization. It has no leader. Opposition to fascism is simply an amorphous, default position of being an American or any citizen of a decent, free society."
Ah yes, the "Antifa is just an idea" meme. Just an abstract concept with a concrete body count that far surpasses those so-called bigots and extremists, and a tangible property damage bill in the billions that their enabling politicians will foist off on the taxpayer. It's okay though, those massive crime spikes in all those cities where that idea was rampaging around? It only affected poor people of color. All those lily white, gated communities of Democrat donors were barely inconvenienced.
Nah, the fact that Antifa supposedly has no leader (pardon my guffaw) makes all their terror, death, and destruction okie doke! Nothing to see here, but look! The cast of Animal House walked around the capitol building for a couple of hours. Clearly a bunch of LARPers were on the verge of substituting their own government. Insurrection! By the way, what happened to the one we were promised on Jan 21? I feel cheated.
Lack of self-awareness seems to be your strong suit, Sport.
"You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself."
Thanks for your non-contribution, Spanky.
Re: GMay:
I'm going to need you to read for comprehension.
I'm afraid I will have to ask you to do the same.
I'm not talking about randos in a blog comment section. I quite clearly stated, and you quoted "prominent folks on the right" [emphasis mine, since you apparently missed it
Yes, see, look back at the flow of the conversation. That's a qualifier you decided to insert, not me. There's absolutely no reason I have to accept your attempt to move the goalposts. I mean, look -- you just dismissed my explanation of the conversation that's been going on these past two months, a conversation with people like, well, you or Big Mike just above. Fair enough! But you think you can reject my framing, while I'm beholden to yours? That's not how conversations work.
Amen narcisco 11:27
Inga stfu
Re: Balfegor
"I'm afraid I will have to ask you to do the same."
Ah, the evergreen "I'm rubber and you're glue" approach.
"Yes, see, look back at the flow of the conversation. That's a qualifier you decided to insert, not me.
Because that's how conversations work. But yes, do look back at the flow of conversation, where you decided to insert qualifiers into your first response to me? I haven't posted here in years, so perhaps I'm unaware of Balfegor's special privileges.
"There's absolutely no reason I have to accept your attempt to move the goalposts."
So I made a point to someone else, you wade in with your own take, then demand I accept your premise? That's not how this works. That's not even "moving the goalposts".
I mean, look -- you just dismissed my explanation of the conversation that's been going on these past two months, a conversation with people like, well, you or Big Mike just above.
It must disappoint you to discover that I have not searched the blog for all of your prior commentary on this. Thus, Balfegor's previous discussions with other people on other threads aren't relevant. As evidence of "Republicans" blaming the capitol riot on Antifa, you offer up a handful of anonymous internet blog commenters. Please tell me you don't find that persuasive.
Since the gist of my first response to you seems to have gone unnoticed, my point was that there is a severe qualitative difference between the Right's and Left's reaction to the multitudes of violent acts of 2020 and the one act this Jan 6th. Your response carried the rather strong implication that they are equal. Is that what you're going with?
"Fair enough! But you think you can reject my framing, while I'm beholden to yours? That's not how conversations work."
Projection is not a form of argument.
It think he's probably correct, but Wray and the FBI lend no credibility to the argument. They simply have none left to lend.
BTW, "antifa" is not an organization. It has no leader.
Point of information. There is a difference between “has no leader” and “the leadership is not known to the general public.”
If antifa is just an idea, why can I go to their reddit and get a pdf on setting up a local group?
Where's Hunter's laptop?
Mutaman said...
"Michael Yon- just another Trumpster. "
Then I can just as easily dismiss the claims if the NYT and WaPo. (The very best high school newspaper in the country). That you cite.
However. Michael Yon is not a Trumpster. If you've followed him at all you know he's a libertarian and he's skewered just as many on the right as on the left. His coverage of HK is an example.
So lets recap. A mostly peaceful protest(your words) occurred in the nations capital. Five people died only one of which was a homicide. The perpetrator has not yet been identified, but is known to be a member of the capitol staff. The capitol building was forcefully breached, but the capitol guards stood by and did nothing even though there was prior warning and national guard help was offered but declined by Pelosi. The FBI knew ahead of time that the mostly peaceful protestors would attempt to breach the capitol building but the DC police weren't notified and if notified refused to respond.
A reasonable person would look at the fact and conclude that it was a setup. But what do I know. I'm from Chicago.
Do we see Proud Boys and oath keepers smashing up Portland businesses each night?
These are pages 8-10 of Antifa boy John Sullivan's affidavit taken by the FBI. Maybe Wray should read it.
b.
After the crowd broke through the last barricade, and as SULLIVAN and the others approach the Capitol Building, SULLIVAN can be heard in the video saying at various points: “There are so many people. Let’s go. This shit is ours! Fuck yeah,” “We accomplished this shit. We did this together. Fuck yeah! We are all a part of this history,” and “Let’s burn this shit down.” c.
Later, SULLIVAN’s video includes footage of individuals climbing a wall to reach a plaza just outside the Capitol Building entrance, as seen in the screenshot below. As individuals are climbing the wall, SULLIVAN can be heard saying, “You guys are fucking savage. Let’s go!”
10d.
At one point, SULLIVAN can be heard telling one of the individuals climbing the wall to give SULLIVAN his hand as individuals in the crowd are calling to help people up the wall. e.
The video records SULLIVAN’s entrance into the U.S. Capitol building through a broken window:
11f.
SULLIVAN, once inside the Capitol Building, roamed the building with other individuals who unlawfully entered. During one of his interactions with others, SULLIVAN can be heard in the video saying, “We gotta get this shit burned.” At other times as he is walking through the Capitol, SULLIVAN can be heard saying, among other things, “it’s our house motherfuckers” and “we are getting this shit.”
The idea there were no leftist infiltrators is laughable. John Sullivan was one - he was sloppy - he got caught. He was not alone.
Of course some Trump supporters acted stupidly as they entered the building thru open doors... some with a q-notion that they could accomplish something. I've said so all along.
Why is the FBI covering for the person who shot Ashlee?
"lets burn this shit down"
Said the.... "journalist" - paid by CNN.
I mentioned I know someone who went to the Rally that day. He said the rally was patriotic and just like any other Trump rally. He said they sang songs like "God bless America" as they waited for Trump. He said they did walk to the Capitol, and as they walked to the capitol, they watched as things changed... He said it got weird.
Notice the media never interview regular people who went to the rally that day. People who were there to show support for Trump and nothing else.
Nah - doesn't fit the narrative.
Add Michael Yon and others who noticed the way some of the groups and people were acting. Michael Yon is a respected war journalist. He isn't a democratic alphabet channel hack.
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Why can I not believe him......
Just what the takeaway from the testimony was will vary. Some commentators said Wray didn't back up the idea that this was a planned insurrection intended to bring down the government. I didn't hear the testimony or read the transcript, but it's not unusual for people to pick out what they want to believe (or what they want other people to believe).
In the age of the internet and social media, top-down hierarchical political organizations aren't the only actors in the mix. A set of intercommunicating cells or individuals can also do a lot of damage. The lemming-like nature of such groupings might make one question whether "leaders" are always necessary to produce a given result.
Talk about "rhizomes" or intertangled root structures that pop up in shoots here and there as an alternative to traditional organization trees was a hot topic in philosophy a few decades back. "Leaderless" organizations may be the future.
It would be surprising if the FBI has not investigated Antifa. Antifa has been around since the middle of the twentieth century.
"lets burn this shit down"
Do embedded journalists say such things?
Michael Yon never said that. would NEVER say that.
Yet- Sullivan is treated like a star at the propaganda democratic alphabet channels.
This kind of bs is why we need to split up the country.
Exactly. I want nothing to do with the fifth-column left.
They are the enemy.
"However. Michael Yon is not a Trumpster. If you've followed him at all you know he's a libertarian and he's skewered just as many on the right as on the left'
link please
Nice blathering rant there, GMay - none of which response to the actual point, of course. But if distraction's your entire point, I can see why. After all, coming of the closet to declare your fascism still isn't all that fashionable nowadays, is it? Talk about self awareness. Or in your case, navel gazing.
Some people commit crimes. Newsflash. Ideology isn't really the point, unless an organization's behind it. That's why they call it organized crime. Otherwise not many people should be surprised to see anarchists doing it. But only your "un-gated" kind act surprised when their own hyper-nationalists do it, as they so often do.
A Trumpist accusing others of living behind gated walls. How freaking rich is that? Pretend populists led by someone who lives in a "tower" and washes his hand after he shakes yours. Does your projection and blame-shifting ever end?
Mutaman said...
"However. Michael Yon is not a Trumpster. If you've followed him at all you know he's a libertarian and he's skewered just as many on the right as on the left'
"link please"
I'm not your research assistant. Be a big boy and google him yourself.
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