From "The Capitol Attack Was a Failure of Policing, Not Architecture/Building a permanent fence around the Capitol is not the right approach" by the Editorial Board of the NYT.
They're reacting to the statement by the acting chief of the Capitol Police, Yogananda Pittman: "In light of recent events, I can unequivocally say that vast improvements to the physical security infrastructure must be made to include permanent fencing...."
The NYT description of the Capitol grounds makes me think of our state capitol grounds here in Madison. Such an important gathering spot. To lose it to fencing would sacrifice a lot and send a terrible message about the accessibility of government and the ineffectuality of the police. It feels like giving up.
But, you know, you used to be able to walk around on the White House lawn. From a 2014 WaPo article:
For decades, people were allowed to stroll the White House grounds during the day and enter the mansion. Jefferson, who was instrumental in ensuring the White House was a house for and of the people, not a grand mansion, started the practice. He put taxidermied bears on the lawn and displayed artifacts from the Lewis and Clark exhibition, said William Bushong, Chief Historian for the White House Historical Association... Jefferson and subsequent presidents, along with their wives, would greet visitors in the East Room around lunchtime....
Jefferson also started the practice of inviting people back to the White House for a post-inauguration open house. Things got a bit out of control in 1829, when thousands of people descended on the mansion after Andrew Jackson was sworn into office. People swarmed into the mansion and crushes of people attempted to greet Jackson, many standing on furniture to catch a glimpse.
At the end of his presidency, Jackson opened up the White House to the public so they could help him eat a 1,400 pound block of cheese he was given as a gift years earlier. Pieces of cheese fell on the White House carpet and guests ground them into the upholstery with their shoes. The White House smelled like cheese for the next year, Bushong said....
I bet it still smells like cheese.
[T]here was very little security at the White House until a drunk man threw rocks at President John Tyler.... Franklin Pierce, who once had a hard-boiled egg thrown at him, was the first president to demand a full-time bodyguard....
Things tightened up later. We'll see if Congress goes the same route. Maybe it will need to. Nobody doubts that the President needs extensive security.
By the way, it's pretty interesting to see the NYT blaming the Capitol attack on the police! I guess the editors got distracted by their disapproval of the fence. But their opinion resonates well with disapproval of the wall on the southern border: Permanent structures are unfriendly eyesores, and human beings can do the security work.
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Yogananda Pittman
Remember when the Natural Law Party wanted the defend the country with flying yogis?
Maybe that's what things have come to.
Yogis as in trained meditators, not bears.
One can only hope that the next time Republicans run the place they will make the symbolic point that they don’t have to hide behind razor wire with an occupying military force like Biden and Pelosi do.
I think we are well on our way to a Praetorian Guard
Lucien said...
One can only hope that the next time Republicans run the place they will make the symbolic point that they don’t have to hide behind razor wire with an occupying military force like Biden and Pelosi do.
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Maybe if Republicans agree not to send anymore violent mobs to attack Congress when it votes against the mob's wishes, that can be accommodated.
The population of DC was under 9,000 at the start of Jefferson's first term, under 30,000 at the start of Jackson's first term.
Fences don't work.
Oh, wait...
I will agree to the fences around the capitol if, and only if, we can fit all of the illegal aliens inside of the perimeter.
Oh heck, why not just build a really high stone wall, with moats and drawbrdges around the important parts of DC and get it over with? For maybe the first time in their overly pampered and isolated lives, the 'government folks' got a very, very small taste of what a lot of us normal folks live through on a daily basis in nearly every large, democrat run city in the US.
Poor, poor babies. If you need thousands of troops and lots of walls with razor wire to 'govern', maybe you are doing it wrong. Just maybe, if you actually worked for the betterment of the American Citizens and stopped the globalist agenda you might feel a lot safer where you work.
But that won't happen as the 'government folks' know that the vast majority of the American Citizens are horrible people who deserve all the bad things the 'government folks' have planned for them. Bonus, the Citizens get to pay for it all.
Good times..
"You people will learn one way or another. We are your betters and we will bring you to heel."
Photographs of the "fences and guards" are an amazing visual summary. The American flag and Pelosi speaking to the troops, along with the cookie tray spectacle are surely softening hearts!
An says "I bet it still smells like cheese"
But not that cheese. Everybody knows that the white house was almost completely demolished and rebuilt around 1950,right?
John Henry
Now the NYTimes is upset with what their fake news has wrought. Even in this editorial they call the mostly peaceful protest an "attack." As far as I am concerned wrap all DC in 12 ft high barbed wire. It will be a more accurate reflection of how disconnected the politicians are from the people.
Republicans have been saying the Cap police screwed up for a month. I doubt that the NY Times said they agreed with that before now.
I, for one, look forward to the day when the professional, mostly peaceful protester class is no longer treated with the revolving door pre-arranged arrests and failures to prosecute seen in 2020. Incentives, as the saying goes, matter. Amateur mostly peaceful protesters, too, while we're at it, should also have to accept the consequences for their actions.
Jeez, when even the NYT is getting embarrassed by your banana republic act then you know it’s probably time to scale it back a bit.
Except that there’s this nagging fear that this isn’t over yet. That maybe it hasn’t even really begun. Which has always been the downside of banana republic power grabs.
I've thought of the fencing around the WH before. Despite that the fence around the Capitol is a very bad look.
Maybe if Republicans agree not to send anymore violent mobs to attack Congress when it votes against the mob's wishes, that can be accommodated.
"You need to get your mind right Luke." And so it starts. The Dems desperately need a crises to cement Auturo's mindset in the general populace.
The fence is a monument to their Fear of The People. The People didn't have a monument in DC, but now they do. The fence is not for the stopping of foreign invaders, even terrorists, but rather it is there should The People show up in mass.
Move the lot to the South side of Chicago, let them fend for themselves with the citizens. Remember, when it was Republicans in office, Spike called it Chiraq. Bodycount much higher now in all dem shit holes. What say you Spike? Spike?
Building a fence won't help if you still have an electoral system where nobody can prove who won.
Oso Negro said...
Maybe if fucking Democrats can participate in an election with cheating, then there will not be an angry mob.
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Maybe if you stopped lying about an election that wasn't stolen, mobs would stop forming. Your side lost. It wasn't even close. It happens. Blame Trump. If he had shown an ounce of empathy or basic competence throughout 2020, he would have won. But he didn't. Quit covering up his failures by spreading this evil lie that the election was stolen. It was not.
If my kid comes up to me after losing their little league game and tells me it was rigged against them, I'm not going to indulge that childish behavior.
People from Wisconsin say it smells like home.
“The fence is a monument to their Fear of The People. The People didn't have a monument in DC, but now they do. The fence is not for the stopping of foreign invaders, even terrorists, but rather it is there should The People show up in mass.”
Damn. I like that. The last few months in a nutshell.
Blogger Arturo Ui said...
Lucien said...
One can only hope that the next time Republicans run the place they will make the symbolic point that they don’t have to hide behind razor wire with an occupying military force like Biden and Pelosi do.
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Maybe if Republicans agree not to send anymore violent mobs to attack Congress when it votes against the mob's wishes, that can be accommodated
Maybe if fucking Democrats can participate in an election without cheating, then there will not be an angry mob.
I bet it still smells like cheese.
They just possibly, maybe, conceivably, replaced the carpets since Jackson’s day.
And Melania Trump’s taste is never cheesy!
"send a terrible message about the accessibility of government and the ineffectuality of the police. It feels like giving up"
Quite the opposite. It sends exactly the message progs want: government should not be "accessible" to the deplorables, and the ineffectual police will now be maximally effectual in keeping the rabble out. Far from giving up, the prog regime is only starting.
I think that Democrats should continue to use the National Guard and whatever other Federal resources they can muster to act as props and players in their psychodrama because if they are going to run the country like a banana republic, it should look the part.
"The fence is a monument to their Fear of The People."
They need to remember who they work for...
pacwest said...
The Dems desperately need a crises to cement Auturo's mindset in the general populace.
1/31/21, 12:02 PM
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The Republicans already generated that crisis by fighting to overturn the election result for two solid months with nonstop lies, culminating in a mob that attacked Congress while it was certifying the vote and killing 5 people in the process, including a cop.
I may be wrong, but the Southern Border is a bit bigger than Congress.
Next they will be posting National Guard troops and building walls around billionaire benefitting Democrat donating hedge funds.
The hell with DC statehood: expel DC and make it a separate nation.
Free government cheese.
The more things change the more they remain the same.
Still, how appetizing could a year-old block of cheese be?
Where was it during the rest of the year?
And will the story do anything to bring Jackson's name back into good repute?
Think how frantic they are. The stress and uncertainty must be immense. The flimsiness of the fence. The National Guard which will almost certainly stand aside under the press of the people. A narrative no one truly believes, not even themselves. A political high-wire act just waiting for the wire to be plucked and shook.
The fencing will come down when the ruling class eliminate the 2nd Amendment and confiscate our guns. They have already convinced more than half (?) the population to disarm and to condemn those of us who refuse to disarm.
How many of you sense that there are enough of your neighbors, coworkers, and family members who would readily turn you in to government officials in a gun confiscation scheme? These people would definitely vote for such a thing.
MartieD said...
The fencing will come down when the ruling class eliminate the 2nd Amendment and confiscate our guns. They have already convinced more than half (?) the population to disarm and to condemn those of us who refuse to disarm.
How many of you sense that there are enough of your neighbors, coworkers, and family members who would readily turn you in to government officials in a gun confiscation scheme? These people would definitely vote for such a thing.
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Maybe time for a Xanax, Martie.
Given the historical norm that such fences were not necessary because Congress actually responded to citizens needs and did not force their soul-crushing policies and politicians on them, you’d think these fences would be a ginormous red flag that they are the ones out of order, not the People.
Already happened at Westminster and 10 Downing bc of the IRA.
Bit of an overreaction here I think.
So... when is Biden gonna sign the executive order releasing the children from the cages? Talk about institutional racism!
"The Capitol complex is a place where Americans can go to watch their representatives, to speak with those representatives, to petition for the redress of grievances."
Let's dispense with the farce that these are the days of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
Ever try to get into the House or Senate gallery these days? First, the everyday citizen needs to go get special permission slips from a Member, then they go through the first security checkpoint at the Capitol entrance, then they stand in line and stand and stand in order go through the next security where they need to strip themselves of cameras, phones, etc., then an escorted walk upstairs to another security checkpoint like TSA, but more severe, with rude obnoxious police, to then be escorted to another location to wait and wait and wait, then some usher person allows them through the hallowed gallery doors, only to find after your two-hour process to get to this point, that the gallery is near empty, with many sections roped off.
They have turned it into a tourist attraction -- and an overpriced (its free), waste of your time, bad one at that.
The building and its grounds also are part of the fabric of the city. Streams of bikers pass through on morning and evening commutes. Tourists gather for concerts on the lawn. When it snows, the front face of Capitol Hill becomes a popular sledding spot, with neighborhood children sometimes transforming discarded protest signs into makeshift sleds.
What this means is that the barricading is making life difficult for the local gentrifiers who live near the Capitol, including Senators, Congressmen, and their senior staffers. My guess is that there's lots of thinking among the Congresscritters that it's time to move on past Pelosi's paranoia, but nobody wants to say it aloud quite yet.
The fencing at the Capitol also looks like something out of a makeshift concentration camp, as opposed to the fencing at the WH, which integrates into the architecture in a more aesthetically pleasing fashion, as one would see in a gated mansion pretty much anywhere.
dumbocrats new board game... Shoots an Cages. Hunter calling on line 1...
It was Bill Clinton that walled off Pennsylvania Ave. More history of the White House fence
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States - U.S. Constitution
Doesn’t seem to leave a lot for a state government in DC to do, since Congress exclusively has the power of legislation there “in all Cases whatsoever.”
I don’t know how they could have worded it more strongly.
YoungHegelian said...
My guess is that there's lots of thinking among the Congresscritters that it's time to move on past Pelosi's paranoia, but nobody wants to say it aloud quite yet.
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I wonder how paranoid you would feel if a mob of thousands descended on your workplace and breached every security measure while shouting that they wanted to kill you, and killed 5 people in the process of trying to get to you.
How would the raid on the Kavanaugh hearing have gone with this fence up? Democrats have been ushering in crowds to disrupt Congress for decades now.
“The fencing will come down when the ruling class eliminate the 2nd Amendment and confiscate our guns. They have already convinced more than half (?) the population to disarm and to condemn those of us who refuse to disarm.”
17 million guns sold in 2020. 5 million new first-time gun owners in 2020.
That’s what makes this all so fascinating. How do you legislate when the horses have left the barn, the barn has burned down, and your cowboys have no interest in retrieving the horses?
Anybody here besides me remember Washington, DC pre-9/11?
That was before bollards and purse searches and guards everywhere. All installed under a Republican president. Nobody has a monopoly on security posturing.
Is this what democracy looks like?
Repeated from an earlier thread.
Arturo Ui,
At least I’m a real person. You? Can’t decide if you’re a bot or a paid shill. Either way you really think you’re gonna change any Althouse reader’s minds? Influence or temper our opinions? We’re here because we cannot be brainwashed by the MSM or whoever signs your checks or writes your program.
Also, fuck off. Don’t bother replying to my posts.
I wonder how paranoid you would feel if a mob of thousands descended on your workplace and breached every security measure while shouting that they wanted to kill you, and killed 5 people in the process of trying to get to you.
When it was done last summer and fall in D.C. and elsewhere, the response of many (you too?) was "DEFUND THE POLICE."
You are a transparent fraud. Sorry for being so rudely blunt.
"I wonder how paranoid you would feel if a mob of thousands descended on your workplace and breached every security measure while shouting that they wanted to kill you, and killed 5 people in the process of trying to get to you.”
This is the same kinds of stuff the Nazis used when exaggerating the threat of the Reichstag Fire in order to abrograte the rights of free speech and assembly, and oh, BTW, take all constraints off of police investigation, creating the Gesapo.
Adam Schiff is working on that last bit, creating new laws aimed at Republican opposition.
You weren’t that upset Arturo, when Ante-fa (If you are not a native Enlish speaker, Arturo, you might miss the joke there) when Ante-Fa was throwing explosives into a Federal courthouse this summer, were you. THe Democrats were saying that bringing in Federal forces was an unnecessary provocation that would just raise tensions, but the rules all changed as soon as the sides changed.
Let’s let the investigation as to who did what play out before we go imposing collective punishment based on guilt by association (two more little items that the fascists were really fond of and that Arturo seems to favor.
who killed Ashli Babbitt and why isn't he being brought to justice? Why do we still have thousands of troops in DC, when there is no threat? why did we need 25,000 troops in the first place?
How many low information NYT readers know the FBI statement about Trump supporters "Planting bombs" on Jan 6th was completely False? How many know that of the "Five deaths" one was shot by the Police, 3 died of heart attacks unrelated to any violence, and no one has shown that ANY deaths were caused by the protesters?
Yet, we have large numbers of media talking heads and Politicians demanding on Jan 6th that the protesters "be shot without mercy" and after Jan 6th, demanding they be sent to Gitmo or labeled terrorists and locked away forever.
Of the 200,000 Trump supporters in DC On Jan 6th, only 1,000 entered the Capital Building and only a couple hundred of those are responsible for any vandalism or injury. that's one in thousand. Yet, the Republican never bring up these facts, instead they shriek along with the left-wing MSM.
Arturo’s panties get knotted up selectively.
I bet Mr. Trump is going to bring a 1400-pound block of cheese to the Senate hearing.
200000!
The FBI and DoJ refused, even after requested by the President in August 2020, to move against Antifa and BLM while they were literally burning down cities and attacking Federal buildings. Yet, they're now rivaling the Gestapo in their zeal to hunt down Political dissenters. Some guy called "Ricky Vaughn" has been arrested for Tweeting about the 2016 election. People who did nothing but walk in the capital building on Jan 6th and look around are being arrested or hunted by the FBI. People who just showed up to support trump, and didn't enter the capital building, are being fired from their jobs.
And the DC republicans and Mitch the bitch, say ZERO. Kevin McCarthy says nothing. Mitt Romney cheers it on!
Off topic. For over a Year Mitt Romney has launched one public attack after another against Trump and other Republicans.
Can anyone point to a single instance where Romney he publicly attacked Pelosi or Schumer or Biden? ON A STAND ALONE BASIS. This isn't a rhetorical question. I literally cannot think of one. And I wonder if anyone else can.
@AU,
I wonder how paranoid you would feel if a mob of thousands descended on your workplace and breached every security measure while shouting that they wanted to kill you, and killed 5 people in the process of trying to get to you.
Oh, God, AU, you are such a tiresome troll.
We have been through this so many times. Do try and pay attention this time.
1) This is not the first "invasion" of Congress. There have been quite a few. Kavanaugh hearings, second women's march, bombing by Puerto Rican terrorists, etc.
2) Of those five people "killed", three died of natural causes in the crowd, one was a protestor shot by Capitol Hill police in what maybe a questionable police shooting and one Capitol Hill officer died of as yet mysterious reasons. Did he have a brain aneurysm because of injuries sustained during the riot, or was it just his time to go? I don't think an autopsy report has been made public yet, if one was done.
3) Since Jan 2017, there have been dozens of Antifa riots in this country, some still ongoing as in Portland & Seattle. Those riots too involved lots of terrified innocent people. And what did many members of the Democratic establishment do? They cheered these rioters on, and some actively abetted them. Is the Democratic establishment calling for the censure or expulsion of those Democrats who abetted Antifa? Not a peep.
Do I support the riot at the Capitol? No. But, I also know that karma's can be a bitch.
Sharp cheddar cheese isn't very sharp.
MartieD said...
At least I’m a real person. You? Can’t decide if you’re a bot or a paid shill. Either way you really think you’re gonna change any Althouse reader’s minds? Influence or temper our opinions? We’re here because we cannot be brainwashed by the MSM or whoever signs your checks or writes your program.
Also, fuck off. Don’t bother replying to my posts.
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Here is my reply, Martie. Here is also a box of Kleenex, and an Ambien.
YoungHegelian said...
2) Of those five people "killed", three died of natural causes in the crowd, one was a protestor shot by Capitol Hill police in what maybe a questionable police shooting and one Capitol Hill officer died of as yet mysterious reasons. Did he have a brain aneurysm because of injuries sustained during the riot, or was it just his time to go? I don't think an autopsy report has been made public yet, if one was done.
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Pathetic and disgusting.
@AU,
Here is my reply, Martie. Here is also a box of Kleenex, and an Ambien.
AU, you're doing what all the Lefty trolls who come here do. You come here, post something that you think is just the coup de grace on some topic, you get articulate pushback, and it's like you've never heard a differing opinion before. Then, out come the ad hominems because you sure can't argue on the merits. I've been here a damn long time, and this happens over & over again. You should have seen the troll swarm before the 2016 election!
There are a few decent lefty commenters here. There should be more good ones. You're not going to be one those "good ones".
"Ricky Vaughn" (not his real name) was allegedly giving out false information on how to vote in hopes of depressing African-American turn-out in 2016. One can ask, "Why him and why now?" but if he's guilty, he's guilty. I do wish the feds were this concerned about voter fraud last year when it mattered, though.
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January 6 is a good example of how chaotic, ambiguous, contradictory data get spun together into a polemical, oversimplified and categorical narrative to be used as a weapon in political conflicts. Come to think of it, the election was like that, too. The truth is in the mass of contradictory details, not in the partisan spin.
tim in vermont said...
You weren’t that upset Arturo, when Ante-fa (If you are not a native Enlish speaker, Arturo, you might miss the joke there) when Ante-Fa was throwing explosives into a Federal courthouse this summer, were you. THe Democrats were saying that bringing in Federal forces was an unnecessary provocation that would just raise tensions, but the rules all changed as soon as the sides changed.
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I condemn any and all political violence, and have always said as much. When BLM protests have turned violent, I have strongly condemned those actions. But here I'm seeing a bunch of righties making excuses for a mob that stormed the Capitol to prevent the democratic functioning of Congress. Making excuses for murdering a cop. You are the ones who need to look in the mirror.
Pathetic and disgusting
Every word of it was true, undeniably so.
What's needed is a pale, not a fence.
"The Capitol complex is a place where Americans can go to watch their representatives, to speak with those representatives, to petition for the redress of grievances."
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So NYT coyly desists saying what to do if they refuse to act their role of representatives
If Nancy Pelosi won’t even let members of Congress offer amendments to bills, what on earth suggests she’s interested in the opinions of the people?
@AU,
I condemn any and all political violence, and have always said as much. When BLM protests have turned violent, I have strongly condemned those actions.
Well, we're all glad you stood up in front of the congregation & witnessed for Jesus, AU!
Now, what about the rather large numbers of Democratic offcials who haven't? Don't you think that sort of damages the case for their outrage about 1/6/2021? I mean, it's okey-dokey when the Democrat's Red Guards go apeshit, but when some bunch of righty weirdoes go after Democrats on their home turf, that's just beyond the pale! Why, it's INSURRECTION!
AU, since 1/2016, DC has burned twice and neither time did the Democrats make a peep about it. You know how many rioters were charged in the 2017 Trump Inauguration riots?
C'mon, guess. You can do it, guess.
Zero.
That's why I'm not especially outrage by the Capitol Insurrection. The real reason the Democrats are pissed off is because they think they have a monopoly on revolutionary mob violence, and they were upset to discover in such a brutal fashion that they don't.
Arturo Ui,
"You are the ones who need to look in the mirror."
Just curious, Signore, are you by chance a fan of the Stalin Peace Prize winner who wrote the play about your resistible rise?
The one who quite accurately called out the evils of Naziism; but thought the DDR's crushing of a worker's uprising, with the help of the Soviet military, was justified? "History will pay its respects to the revolutionary impatience of the Socialist Unity Party of Germany."
'Cause I'm thinking that's kind of a cool choice of nic, since you're calling "us" out for selective disapproval of political violence.
I hope the next time republicans are in power that they triple the size of the enclosure. Maybe they can root out the entire Washington DC residents. The place is a cesspool.
Around half a million assembled. Several hundred on Capitol grounds. Several dozens who may and were not "Trump supporters" inside the building. The failure was forced by the press, social platforms, and steering engines that incited and normalizes extreme reactions through false allegations, misinformation, and diversitist statements over 17 trimesters and longer. The failure was forced by the People's representatives who adopted a policy of belligerence and avoidance to meet with a delegation of the people assembled. Surely, a large novelty-size hammer was in order, right?
Yes, I'm so old I remember when bringing in National Guard forces was considered a provocation.
Our Awful Leaders hate most of us. They like only those who can offer them more power or money. Very little else. They have stomped all over our laws for years now, initiated literal coup attempts on the previous President, and now continue to hound him out of office, while whining that there are not enough troops or fencing around the city to protect them from the unruly rabble.
Not one person who is guilty and has been shown to be guilty of breaking laws in the Russia Collusion fraud is going to jail or paying any fines. In fact, the only people who saw jail time are those who were falsely accused by the fraud authors. Such is our current government.
I will say that we have been here before. It's not a good thing when our government has such distaste for it's own citizenry.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation....
...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.
In the end if our government hates us, this does not have happy ending. Either we need to clean house in Washington, or Washington needs to get a new populace. I do believe they are working on the latter.
Maybe the NYT let slip the blame for the police because they're bad at propaganda. Or maybe they would like to distract from the fact that the people in charge of the police orchestrated the incursion. I'll take the latter.
human beings can do the security work
Yeah, just build the surveillance state. The brutal dividing lines will be out sight.
I'm so old I remember when bringing in National Guard forces was considered a provocation
You're only two months old?
"their opinion resonates well with disapproval of the wall on the southern border: Permanent structures are unfriendly eyesores, and human beings can do the security work."
The border wall so doesn't work that areas w/o wall intended to be funnel points will put those citizens at risk if/when enforcement is curtailed.
And hey..if "the enemy is inside the House", what does this accomplish?
They really need to force Republicans to Zoom in so they can't shoot the place up.
Imagine if the DC Capitol building hosted daily MAGA sing-alongs like in Madison.
By the way, Has WI Senator Tim Kasten fully recovered from his attack in Madison?
How is Althea doing?
YoungHegelian said...
That's why I'm not especially outrage by the Capitol Insurrection.
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If I watched a video of a BLM mob helping a young female BLM protester smash through the window of a barricaded door inside the U.S. Capitol, all while the pistols-drawn cops on the other side of that door shout endless warnings, and then the young lady finally gets shot and killed...I would not make excuses. I would say it certainly looks like she had it coming. You guys have lost the plot.
MartieD said...
The fencing will come down when the ruling class eliminate the 2nd Amendment and confiscate our guns. They have already convinced more than half (?) the population to disarm and to condemn those of us who refuse to disarm.
Alas I lost all of my guns in a tragic boating accident so I can't turn my guns in.
How many of you sense that there are enough of your neighbors, coworkers, and family members who would readily turn you in to government officials in a gun confiscation scheme? These people would definitely vote for such a thing.
They need to take down all methods of communication not controlled by the machine first.
Really the people who installed Biden are in an untenable position. It is all going to fall apart.
Maybe if you stopped lying about an election that wasn't stolen, mobs would stop forming. Your side lost. It wasn't even close.
Like others, I can't decide if this left wing troll is human or a bot. Maybe , like Arnold, he has had a microchip installed through his nose with a connection to a DNC troll farm.
Technology is wonderful, especially the Chinese variety.
I don't see a problem plywood and some spray paint wouldn't fix.
Goose, gander.
Openidname said:
"Anybody here besides me remember Washington, DC pre-9/11? That was before bollards and purse searches and guards everywhere. All installed under a Republican president. Nobody has a monopoly on security posturing."
You are a dumb ass if you equate 911 attacks with a bunch of idiots barging uninvited into the Capitol bldg.
@AU,
I would not make excuses. I would say it certainly looks like she had it coming.
Get this straight --- no one cares what the fuck you think. No one cares what the fuck we think.
The question is -- what is the "Received Opinion" among our fearless leadership? That's the subject under discussion here, not how virtuous we here are.
The Republican leadership unanimously condemned the 1/6/2021 Capitol Incursion. The Democrats can barely bring themselves to condemn the rioting since 1/2017 when their backs are held against the wall. Many even then cannot bring themselves to condemn it even now, and deny that its perpetrators exist as anything but an "idea".
Arturo Ui said...
If I watched a video of a BLM mob helping a young female BLM protester smash through the window of a barricaded door inside the U.S. Capitol, all while the pistols-drawn cops on the other side of that door shout endless warnings, and then the young lady finally gets shot and killed...I would not make excuses. I would say it certainly looks like she had it coming. You guys have lost the plot.
Everyone sees what you are doing here. You are a liar and you are here in bad faith.
It is blatantly obvious.
You are having zero effect on people who read this blog except to make obvious the fact that Regime supporters are desperate and evil people.
Really the people who installed Biden are in an untenable position. It is all going to fall apart.
I would be much more pessimistic if they had not given us all this evidence of incompetence. They are good at propaganda and sending out trolls like then left wing ones we see here, but the Gamestop thing is evidence that the billionaires can be outwitted by 17 year olds. One guy has lost $11.5 billion so far.
i'll rise to the bait
Arturo Ui; Of those five people that the mob "killed"...
Could you please let us know, in your words, how YOU think they died?
you're obviously WAY smarter than me, so help me out. You said
a mob of thousands descended ... and killed 5 people
So if you could be so good, fill out the cause of death for each of the 5
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2)?
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5)?
Thanx Arturo Ui! I'm sure you'll answer this, 'cause you're Not a troll,or a bot
Right?
Re: Arturo Ui:
I wonder how paranoid you would feel if a mob of thousands descended on your workplace and breached every security measure while shouting that they wanted to kill you, and killed 5 people in the process of trying to get to you.
Congress has been notably unsympathetic as this has happened to police stations, immigration enforcement offices, and courthouses as a result of raging Antifa/BLM maniacs. Sure they care now that it's them, but as an outsider, I don't see a fundamental difference. This isn't even the closest Congress has come to getting murdered in recent years -- that would be 2017 when deranged anti-Trump Democrat James Hodgkinson tried to gun down the entire Republican congressional leadership (he hit Steve Scalise but didn't kill him).
There's been an escalation of conspiracy theories on all sides over the past 20-years, from anti-Bush II world trade center Truthers, to anti-Obama Birthers (including Trump!), to the anti-Trump Russia hoax, to anti-Biden Dominion vote machine conspiracies (echoing anti-Bush Diebold conspiracies of years past). Everyone is happy to coddle their own maniacs -- Democrats in Congressional leadership (e.g. Nadler) have tried to pretend Antifa violence isn't real and Trump generally only condemns right-wing extremists when specifically prompted.
But if you're anti-Trump, you can only win credibility on this issue if you're willing to acknowledge and condemn anti-Trump conspiracy theories and left-wing violence. And if you're on the right, you can only win credibility by doing the same for the Capitol riot and the Dominion conspiracy theory (and Pizzagate, etc.). Otherwise why would anyone on the other side listen? Motes, beams, etc.
But -- and this is surely the caveat that will lose me credibility in your eyes -- not all criticisms of the 2020 election are equal. The Dominion theory (with or without its Venezuelan elaborations) was always potty because that's what hand recounts are designed to catch. When hand recounts were performed, they didn't show the kinds of discrepancies you would see if Dominion machines were actually systematically switching votes. But the idea that the mail-in/absentee vote was completely fair and free is also highly implausible just given the documented use of mail-in ballots to commit fraud in the past. For obvious reasons, the risk of fraud is much higher, so greater precautions need to be taken around them. But after the debacle of the summer primaries, controls instead seem to have been relaxed. So I think it's absurd to dismiss mail-in vote fraud theories out of hand. Could they have flipped one or more states? Sure! Biden's margins were tiny. But enough for Trump to win? Eh, highly unlikely. He'd need at least three, I think. A lot of probabilities would have to line up.
The government walled off from the people, a new Forbidden City. Fitting for the Democrats.
Achilles said...
Everyone sees what you are doing here. You are a liar and you are here in bad faith.
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What am I lying about? Be specific.
They're reacting to the statement by the acting chief of the Capitol Police, Yogananda Pittman: "In light of recent events, I can unequivocally say that vast improvements to the physical security infrastructure must be made to include permanent fencing...."
Because suggesting, instead, to your employers that they might perhaps dial down the arrogance they're exhibiting towards the people they supposedly represent is *so* not going to happen.
BTW- what is it with Democrats insistence on appointing women to chief of police positions in shithole cites?
"tim in vermont said...
I think that Democrats should continue to use the National Guard and whatever other Federal resources they can muster to act as props and players in their psychodrama because if they are going to run the country like a banana republic, it should look the part."
Yes. But I wonder how the National Guard members feel about having their lives and jobs and family life disrupted to wall off Biden.gov from their parents and friends.
PS I'm guessing "Arturo" is "Chuck," a former life-long Republican, culturally appropriating. There something in that snippy snarl that's just so familiar. But maybe there's Troll Boot Camp somewhere and our own Chuckie is there as an instructor.
"Cities", not "cites".
Weren't there repeated (and denied) requests for security reinforcements leading up to the 6th?
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And they say we're becoming a caste society ....
The clever boy has already scrubbed his website.
Michael K said...
Really the people who installed Biden are in an untenable position. It is all going to fall apart.
I would be much more pessimistic if they had not given us all this evidence of incompetence. They are good at propaganda and sending out trolls like then left wing ones we see here, but the Gamestop thing is evidence that the billionaires can be outwitted by 17 year olds. One guy has lost $11.5 billion so far.
1/31/21, 1:33 PM
Sarah Hoyt had written something the other day she linked in at Instapundit about competence and how it was declining as ideological indoctrination rises. Basically, these people are hired for how well they know the ideology, not the (supposed) actual jobs to be performed. Think of it as ideological nepotism.
Arturo Ui said...
Achilles said...
Everyone sees what you are doing here. You are a liar and you are here in bad faith.
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What am I lying about? Be specific.
YoungHegelian described exactly what happened on January 6th. You called that "Pathetic and Disgusting."
Because everything you say here is based on lies. This is just one complete falsehood you pedal. You are transparent.
Full post:
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Arturo Ui said...
YoungHegelian said...
2) Of those five people "killed", three died of natural causes in the crowd, one was a protestor shot by Capitol Hill police in what maybe a questionable police shooting and one Capitol Hill officer died of as yet mysterious reasons. Did he have a brain aneurysm because of injuries sustained during the riot, or was it just his time to go? I don't think an autopsy report has been made public yet, if one was done.
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Pathetic and disgusting.
Please don't use this blog to ideate murder, assassination or sadism. Thank you.
Here's the headline from the WaPo: "Pelosi is trying to help lawmakers struggling with the trauma of the Capitol riot"
It would be nice if she would have shown the same concern for people were injured, who were killed or who had their businesses burned down through the summer. But I guess people are going to do what people are going to do.
Achilles said...
Arturo Ui said...
What am I lying about? Be specific.
Another lie:
Arturo Ui said...
Maybe if Republicans agree not to send anymore violent mobs to attack Congress when it votes against the mob's wishes, that can be accommodated.
Name one Republican who sent violent mobs to attack Congress? Quotes.
Or shut the fuck up and leave.
Meade is right.
Please delete your own comments if they fit this category so we don't have to. We can't find them all, so nondeletion doesn't mean approval. Take your bullshit violence somewhere else, preferably into oblivion.
Meade said...
Please don't use this blog to ideate murder, assassination or sadism. Thank you.
This is just smart policy. Google is watching everything you say here and storing it on a server forever.
And Google does not extend Article 230 protection to people like Ann. Google may allow the leaders of Iran to post death threats and claim they are not responsible. But they will hold Ann responsible for posts by conservatives because the only enemies Google really has are Americans that support freedom.
Maybe if Leftists agree not to send anymore violent mobs to attack Congress when it votes against the mob's wishes, that can be accommodated.
Like the Kavanaugh hearings, right?
I swear. Do you think we don't remember this shit? Or do you just not care?
and killed 5 people in the process of trying to get to you.
This is precisely why you are a dishonest piece of shit.
The 'mob' did not kill five people. They didn't even kill one.
Fuck off.
Ann Althouse said...
Meade is right.
Please delete your own comments if they fit this category so we don't have to. We can't find them all, so nondeletion doesn't mean approval. Take your bullshit violence somewhere else, preferably into oblivion.
Um.
That's...
Violent...
Arturo Ui said...
I wonder how paranoid you would feel if a mob of thousands descended on your workplace and breached every security measure while shouting that they wanted to kill you, and killed 5 people in the process of trying to get to you.
This entire post is a blatant lie.
You are just an obvious fascist enabler posting it.
Please post any citations you have supporting this blood libel.
It will be entertaining.
Not ideation, prediction.
You can't continue to blood libel people without pushback, and pushback will come when they least expect it.
Please don't use this blog to ideate murder, assassination or sadism. Thank you.
Wholeheartedly agree. Also be aware that there a nut jobs on the right also. Although I think some sort of rightwing violence is almost inevitable by now sorry to say. Nothing could make Pelosi happier.
If the Left thinks January 6th was a violent riot, then they have no idea what one really is, but they will learn if they keep this up.
Meade said...Please don't use this blog to ideate murder, assassination or sadism. Thank you.
You left out masochism and fetishism. That's good because many of the lefty bloggers would be otherwise gone.
I don't suppose Pelousy has spelled out the alleged "threat" from House Rs.
If they are so concerned about security from "the mob" outside, they should be happy to have additional security provided by members. Boebert, who owns a gun range, is likely pretty well trained.
But then, they think the R congress wanted their lawful, precedented electoral challenges completely undermined by unlawful assholes outside.
Please let up on Arturo; being inhabited by Nancy Pelosi is punishment enough.
All this does is isolate the elected representatives from the citizens even more. I am shocked that the NYT actually figured this out. I am really getting tired of the leftinistas calling the Jan. 6 incident an insurrection. The OED definition of insurrection is “A violent uprising against an authority or government.”. All I saw on the videos on the various TV news shows was a bunch of people milling around inside of the Capitol building after they were let in by the Capitol Police. I saw no video of anyone who was armed with any sort of weapon (and, no, Pelosi’s podium, which was carried around by a protestor, is not a weapon, despite her using it to harangue against anyone who is not with her on any subject). I would speculate some of the protestors were armed but I never saw anyone on video brandish a weapon. However, the “autonomous zone” centered around the occupation of a Seattle police station in late Spring 2020 would more correctly be labelled an insurrection as the inhabitants WERE heavily armed with assault guns and allegedly killed at least 2 people and they chased the armed police out of their station. And this insurrection was praised by the Democrat politicians in Seattle, State of Washington, and around the USA until the 2 people were killed in this lawless zone.
I'm Not Sure said...
BTW- what is it with Democrats insistence on appointing women to chief of police positions in shithole cites?
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LOL, what a blatantly sexist comment.
I see the troll persists. Do bots have knees to jerk ?
Jim at said...
The 'mob' did not kill five people. They didn't even kill one.
Fuck off.
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They trampled a woman to death as they were beating cops with hockey sticks. Then they beat a cop to death with a fire extinguisher. Two others died of natural causes induced by rushing the capitol. The fifth was shot dead smashing her way through a barricaded door as she was egged on by the mob, who was also smashing its way through the same door. The mob is responsible for all 5 of the above deaths, as is the mob's ringleader Donald J. Trump.
Reagan would have ordered it down within two minutes.
So would have every president before him, even Carter.
Madison probably should have, to stop us burning it, but you get my point. Before Biden presidents understood such things.
"The fence is a monument to their Fear of The People."
Wrong. So, so wrong. The fence is to INSTILL fear. It is a prop intended to convey the message “we are under threat and in danger”. They know they are not. They are trying to convince blue America that red America needs to be caged.
Michael K: “Do bots have knees to jerk ?“
Let's try a test. How many covid deaths, doc?
You're only two months old?
Today's minds seem to think that History started today. So, yeah, I have two months on the rest of them. Wisdom, baby.
"The Capitol Attack Was a Failure of Policing, Not Architecture/Building a permanent fence around the Capitol is not the right optics"
Fixed.
They trampled a woman to death as they were beating cops with hockey sticks.
Link with details of who, when, etc., or it didn’t happen. Media reports and then zero mentions after the first few days don’t count.
Then they beat a cop to death with a fire extinguisher.
See above. No details have come out confirming any of this. Especially when the cause of death hasn’t been released, and we know the officer went home from the capital and had no issues until later.
Two others died of natural causes induced by rushing the capitol.
So they weren’t “killed” by anyone. Their time was just up.
The fifth was shot dead smashing her way through a barricaded door as she was egged on by the mob
Objection: assumes facts not in evidence. There is no proof that anyone was “egged on”, nor of her “smashing her way through a barricaded door”.
The mob is responsible for all 5 of the above deaths, as is the mob's ringleader Donald J. Trump.
Your entire trial has folded since there is no evidence of guilt in any of the assertions you made. Please tell me you’re not a lawyer.
People like you are so predictable - you surround yourself with people who tell you the same bullshit you already believe in, so it must be right. Those of us outside your bubble can see through your nonsense as the trite, simplistic BS that it is, and it makes it so easy to pick apart.
Dude, up your game. You have a lot of work to do.
Speaking of ideating sadism, look at some of the responses from Trumpkins to me or Inga, even just in the last week.
For the record concerning my previous comment on the definition of insurrection - I also believe that the protestors who stormed the Capitol were also wrong in doing so. This played right into the hands of the Democrats and their propaganda organs in the MSM. BTW, when the Right to Life March occurred on this past Friday, were the National Guard troops still in DC from the inauguration ordered to guard various government buildings in DC in case this peaceful protest (actually peaceful, not like this summer’s riots that we were repeatedly told were peaceful but weren’t) got out of hand? The MSM didn’t provide a whole lot of coverage of that rally. I recall the Obama administration had at least thought about going after Right to Life at one time under the Federal RICO laws, I am guessing because they considered the group dangerous...
Were the two men in their '50s who died at the rally (one of a heart attack, one of a stroke) among the 200-1,000 who were "rushing the Capitol" when they died? Or were they among the 100,000-200,000 watching Trump on the Mall? Unless Arturo Ui has some actual evidence, I'm guessing they were in the larger group.
Several commenters at the time alleged that people die of natural causes while attending the Super Bowl just about every year, which sounds quite plausible. We don't hear of it because it's no big deal. Any six-figure crowd that includes lots of 50+ people, many with underlying conditions, watching exciting events over the course of several hours, is likely to have a few health emergencies.
So, does Arturo Ui have any evidence that the two men were at the Capitol? Or is he just another troll, possibly recycled, who gives every indication of being paid to come here and lower the quality of this site?
I don't know about the women in her 30s, but she was specifically reported to have died of natural causes. I believe there is film of a woman being trampled by the crowd, but that must be a different woman, who survived, because no doctor could possibly call being trampled 'natural causes'. Similarly, the policeman hit with a fire extinguisher does not seem to be the one who died the next day, reportedly of an aneurysm. Does Arturo Ui believe every rumor he reads on-line that makes Trump look bad, or is he consciously lying?
Finally, a commenter in the latest Just One Minute thread (page 3) links to someone on Twitter claiming that the policeman who shot Ashli B. has been identified and has a Facebook page talking about his love for BLM and his wish to shoot Trump supporters. True or not? I don't know, but the longer the shooter goes unnamed the easier it is to believe such claims.
Karen B said...Speaking of ideating sadism, look at some of the responses from Trumpkins to me or Inga, even just in the last week.
ROTFLMAO!!
You can't make this stuff up folks. Those girls are crazy fun.
“Speaking of ideating sadism, look at some of the responses from Trumpkins to me or Inga, even just in the last week.”
Dr. Lecter aka Francisco D is especially good at that creepy stuff. I guess his psychology degree helped him ideate such things even better. And when he is in his cups, which is often, he is very creative.
Callahan said...
Link with details of who, when, etc., or it didn’t happen. Media reports and then zero mentions after the first few days don’t count.
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Rosanne Boyland was trampled to death. This article is from 3 days ago.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/us/capitol-riot-woman-trampled.html
“People like you are so predictable - you surround yourself with people who tell you the same bullshit you already believe in, so it must be right.”
Sort of like the comments sections right here.
Dr Weevil said...
I don't know about the women in her 30s, but she was specifically reported to have died of natural causes. I believe there is film of a woman being trampled by the crowd, but that must be a different woman, who survived, because no doctor could possibly call being trampled 'natural causes'. Similarly, the policeman hit with a fire extinguisher does not seem to be the one who died the next day, reportedly of an aneurysm. Does Arturo Ui believe every rumor he reads on-line that makes Trump look bad, or is he consciously lying?
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She was trampled to death.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/us/capitol-riot-woman-trampled.html
I think it's time for someone to say "Ms. Pelosi, Tear down this Wall"
Wikipedia -
"Arturo Ui [is] a fictional 1930s Chicago mobster, and [he] attempts to control the cauliflower racket by ruthlessly disposing of the opposition. The play is a satirical allegory of the rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party in Germany prior to World War II. . . . All the characters and groups in the play had direct counterparts in real life, with Ui representing Hitler."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resistible_Rise_of_Arturo_Ui
Enough said.
That's who you picked for your pseudonym.
The gods in their holy robes must be protected from the great unwashed masses of American citizens.
I can't read the NYT without registering, but searching her name led me to a Daily Caller story that says that she was indeed trampled to death by the crowd. Whether that owed more to actual Trump supporters, who were certainly there in large numbers, or to lefty agents provocateurs like John Sullivan and buffalo-horns guy, is another question Arturo Ui seems totally uninterested in.
I note that the same story says that "there is no evidence showing that Phillips" (one of the 50ish men who died "participated in storming the capitol", so it looks like Arturo Ui did in fact make up the part about how he died. So he's not quite the liar I took him for, but still a damned liar.
Mark said...
That's who you picked for your pseudonym.
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Yes, I played the part in college. It's a great play by Brecht.
“You are a liar and you are here in bad faith.”
Who made Achilles the arbiter of truth and good faith? Why should anyone depend on Achilles to understand what truth and good faith are? Every time he squawks on about “good faith” and when seems to think others here take his definition of good faith as some sort of legitimate standard, I just have to shake my head.
This is a man who has spoken of doing “wet work” with his veteran buddies against Democrats and liberals, right here in these comments sections.
Inga said...
“You are a liar and you are here in bad faith.”
Who made Achilles the arbiter of truth and good faith?
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Thank you.
Blogger Dr Weevil said...
Whether that owed more to actual Trump supporters, who were certainly there in large numbers, or to lefty agents provocateurs like John Sullivan and buffalo-horns guy, is another question Arturo Ui seems totally uninterested in.
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It's true. Considering the fact that 99.9% of those arrested in the Capitol riot have years of publicly available, fanatical Trump support to refer to, no one needs to indulge the fantasy that it was secretly "the left" that stormed the Capitol.
Dr. Lecter aka Francisco D is especially good at that creepy stuff. I guess his psychology degree helped him ideate such things even better. And when he is in his cups, which is often, he is very creative.
Like many psychologists, he is an expert on idiots. Bedpan commandoes qualify.
It's true. Considering the fact that 99.9% of those arrested in the Capitol riot have years of publicly available, fanatical Trump support to refer to,
Another logical fallacy by the troll. How many Antifa organizers and BLM looters have gone to jail ?
So, to sum up, we have:
One woman killed by Capitol police;
One woman trampled to death by fellow-protesters;
Two men who died of cardiac conditions, not physically harmed by anyone else; and
One Capitol policeman who is said to have been hit with a fire extinguisher, but whose actual death remains shrouded in secrecy; there certainly are reports that he went home, and later checked himself into a hospital, where he died of an aneurysm.
Plus, by now, two Capitol police who have committed suicide.
The number actually killed by the rioters is therefore, at most, two. I am grieved for the woman trampled. All the same, when such happens (as it does routinely, and on a far greater scale) at a soccer match or other sporting event, it's called a tragedy, not a massacre. No one wanted it to happen. And I do not know what happened to the Capitol policeman who later died. There, again, obviously he was violently attacked, but he seemed well enough to go home, and went to the hospital (where he died) only later.
I suppose it's necessary to say this: I dislike riots intensely, and want the instigators of this one punished. Can I also say the same of every riot that happened in the US over the past year? Because I'd like to. And the trail of death left by the BLM riots of the summer (and fall, and winter, and last week -- I live near enough to Portland that it isn't just "some guys over there throwing the odd rock and smashing the odd window") is at least an order of magnitude bigger than this one.
One of these things was a one-off rally that got waaaay out of hand. The other was a terror campaign that encompassed dozens of cities and towns and killed dozens of people.
Michael K said...
Another logical fallacy by the troll. How many Antifa organizers and BLM looters have gone to jail ?
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From the Capitol riot? Wut?
"One of these things was a one-off rally that got waaaay out of hand. The other was a terror campaign that encompassed dozens of cities and towns and killed dozens of people."
So- if the left is to be believed, pretty much the same thing.
Arturo - you mentioned 5 deaths. You only defended one with a link. You have 4 more to research. Get to it.
""Arturo Ui [is] a fictional 1930s Chicago mobster,…"
Freder.
Blogger Arturo Ui said...
Michael K said...
Another logical fallacy by the troll. How many Antifa organizers and BLM looters have gone to jail ?
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From the Capitol riot? Wut?
I am very reluctant to feed trolls. I am not at all surprised to see the agents provocateur get away without consequences. That was their purpose.
Go away, troll.
Arturo Ui, 4:48:
"It's a great play by [Stalin Peace Prize winner] Brecht."
That's more like it. Sorry, you were saying, about selective disapproval of political violence?
With safety now supreme, there is no alternative but to have a Zoom Congress. The deplorables can't scare them all at the same time in their elite gated communities around the country.
On 9/11, at the Pentagon, many were killed by a plane flown by a man who many congress people respect more and fear less than they do their own constituents.
"With safety now supreme, there is no alternative but to have a Zoom Congress. The deplorables can't scare them all at the same time in their elite gated communities around the country."
Rather inconvenient when it come to arranging for collecting all those sweet bribes... *ahem* campaign contributions, that's what I meant to say... from lobbyists, don't you think? So- no, zoom ain't happening. Not for Our Rulers, anyway.
All we have to do is lock them in....Voila!!! Gitmo North!!!
AAR* - 1. Remind young men to not take 'selfies'. 2. Order young men to leave their fucking iDiot phones at home. 3. If you hear that Tiffany is bringing her Grandma to the protest, because it's History, yay....abort. abort. abort.
*After Action Report.
Don't worry. I cleared this post with the FBI informers embedded in the 43rd Idaho Militia.
Meade -"Please don't use this blog to ideate murder, assassination or sadism. Thank you."
That ain't Meade. That's Jon Cohen. PodMeade.
I'm concerned that real Meade is quietly composting in the Althouse garden.
Can you imagine real Meade saying, 'ideate'? I'm calling the police.
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