January 12, 2021
"President Trump on Tuesday showed no contrition or regret for instigating the mob that stormed the Capitol and threatened the lives of members of Congress..."
"... and his vice president, saying that his remarks to a rally beforehand were 'totally appropriate'” and that the effort by Congress to impeach and convict him was 'causing tremendous anger.'
Answering questions from reporters... the president sidestepped questions about his culpability.... 'People thought what I said was totally appropriate,' Mr. Trump told reporters at Joint Base Andrews, en route to Alamo, Texas, where he was set to visit the border wall.... 'If you look at what other people have said, politicians at a high level about the riots during the summer, the horrible riots in Portland and Seattle and various other places, that was a real problem,' he said."
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Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?
They made a huge mistake. They should've masked up, talked about "occupying" this and that, and looted the Smithsonian and burned down the Arby's on K Street.
That's how you turn a riot into a mostly peaceful protest. Someone didn't get the memo.
He's more like Henry, with a house full of traitors and drones.
OK, I read the story. As usual, no particular quote from Trump suggesting instigation.
BTW, was the protest not organized by others, and Trump jumped on the bandwagon?
MSM acts as if Trump organized the whole thing.
The NYT, in my mind, is so tainted by its past bias that I immediately disbelieve most of their political stories. Does anyone else have that reaction?
Why would Trump supporter kill a pro-Trump policeman?
Is anyone in the media curious?
We do know for a fact that Police stations in Portland are targeted by Antifa.
Keep scrolling for news you will not get in the MSM.
“Ashli Babbitt deserved it”
Antifa held a protest in San Diego, Cal. yesterday where they also fought Trump supporters. One of the antifa held a sign saying Capitol Hill protester Ashli Babbitt deserved to get killed.
Somehow all these Antifa marches are OK with the FBI? why?
President Trump on Tuesday showed no contrition or regret for instigating the mob that stormed the Capitol and threatened the lives of members of Congress...
Notice it isn't worded "Trump denied allegations he instigated the mob..."
The "news" from the NYT now starts with a preloaded premise.
I think those with real blood on their hands protest too much.
ChiCom loving, race-baiting motherfuckers that they are...
Why would Trump supporter kill a pro-Trump policeman?
Are all cops automatically pro-Trump?
(I'd suggest that it might happen because mobs are dangerous, inherently, and things get out of hand.
Or because "we're righteous and good and protesting for good, and that person is trying to stop us, which makes them BAD".
Mobs don't think. That's why they're dangerous and to be avoided.)
My takeaway: Kneel, damn you, kneel.
Why would Trump supporter kill a pro-Trump policeman?
Super weird. It's almost like they didn't stop and exchange political views and come to a common understanding in the middle of a violent riot.
Floris
I have this reaction towards most of the media. I don't take anything they say at face value.
Floris said...
The NYT, in my mind, is so tainted by its past bias that I immediately disbelieve most of their political stories
The New York Times is not a newspaper. It is a clickbait bucket shop. At some point, they determined that the business model that allows them to make money is by generating hate clicks in Twitter and they adjusted their writing accordingly.
The NYT which spewed The Russian Hoax lie for 4 years and won Pulitzers for their lies, and now we are supposed to take them seriously?? Seriously???
Say her name! Ashli Babbitt.
Say her name! Jessica Doty Whitaker.
Say her name! Secoriea Turner.
Forget her name! Summer Taylor.
Free Kyle Rittenhouse! Free Dawit Kelete!
D D Driver-
Occam's razor. Antifa hate police - and that would make it really easy for Antifa to kill a police officer.
When was the last time CNN had a pro-Trump person on? Election Night 2016?
He owes NO contrition. VOX, one of the Althouse approved sourced reports this morning that 72% of Republicans and 42% of independents dispute the election results in a poll taken Jan 8-11.
In addition, 59% of Republicans do not blame Trump for inciting violence.
But in Madison, WI 100% "believe" the election was legitimate because they love he outcome, no matter the cost, and 100% believe Trump incited violence because it justifies them targeting their enemies.
Meanwhile the plywood artwork in Madison is headed for the Milwaukee Art Museum.
The NYT just assumes the conclusion that Trump "instigated the mob". Is every Dem politician in the country guilty for the riots which developed out of protests they supported?
At every step the left decides to double down.
The NYT assumes guilty as they charged and report that the accused refused his opportunity for a lighter sentence. Keep lowering the bar for what is an insurrection and eventually one may occur.
As for threats to the lives of members on Congress, has Bernie apologized?
Shakespearean actually, him dying in a rage. He is fucked. No one will touch him for sponsorships, speaking engagements, possibly even book deals. He is going to find it very hard to refinance his looming maturities. Tragic.
Trump supporters know police have a tough job and they support police.
The Left, e.g., antifa, BLM, Donk leadership, Donks in general, target police. They’ve never met a cop they wouldn’t want to leave in a bloody pile on the street.
Blogger wendybar said...
The NYT which spewed The Russian Hoax lie for 4 years and won Pulitzers for their lies, and now we are supposed to take them seriously?? Seriously???
It's a great new dynamic to the Althouse blog. The author and publisher still believes the NYTs and Wash Post are legit, while the peanut gallery knows they're complete garbage propaganda. If anything it's unique, which is the last piece of it's fading charm and entertainment.
The middle ground between good and evil is still evil.
It's like we're slowly pulling off the world's longest band-aid. They need to shove a Big Mac in Donald's hand, shove him in a corner, and forget about him. The deplorables are either going to separate from Trump or following him off a cliff.
“The NYT reports”??
That was editorializing, not reporting. There is no news “reporting” any more because that implies fact-based and objective.
Show me where we get that in today’s media climate.
Opens mouth, spews harmful nonsense.
Trump apparently doesn't buy the media narrative.
The deplorables are either going to separate from Trump
Trump is already irrelevant. This is much bigger than Trump. I think you have mistaken a tree for the forest.
"Showed no contrition or regret for instigating the mob" is, as Jeff Brokaw says, an editorial statement, not a news statement.
"'If you look at what other people have said, politicians at a high level about the riots during the summer, the horrible riots in Portland and Seattle and various other places, that was a real problem"
True. Dems endorsed and encouraged actual violence. Trump didn't.
See good piece by Jeffrey Scott Shapiro in WSJ yesterday, "No, Trump isn't guilty of incitement."
Still, even without inciting anyone to do anything illegal, he could have expressed himself, umm, a little better.
Contrition. They always want contrition.
It will all be over in a bit more than a week, maybe sooner.
Blogger Readering said...
Opens mouth, spews harmful nonsense.
Congrats. Excellent choice of self-labeling, in your case.
As usual with Trump a missed opportunity.
Better would have been: “I did not incite violence, nor did I want or intend violence. But the buck stops here. My rhetoric this past month has been unthinking, and I now see it led some astray. I will resign immediately, and I call upon President-elect Biden to think on his own rhetoric, and act accordingly.”
Accordingly being resigning too of course.
@Ken B
That's a nice alternate reality, but there's no indication that it's within his possibility space. If it was, we'd never have reached this point.
How long before Big Mike starts chanting “Bonnie Parker”?
Witness
Oh of course. I am just illustrating the point. Trumpkins can’t even imagine proper leadership without simple examples. Leaders take responsibility.
More mud slinging by the usual suspects of the MSM!
Trump just needs to ride it out and retain his ability to run for office again if he chooses.
I don’t know what I think about his potential candidacy in 2024. I’ll wait and see.
The violence and instigation is bullshit.
Only months ago, the Democrats were rioting, looting, committing arson and attacking cops.
Trump and Republicans should demand their right to engage in violence and maintain paramilitary forces. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander
The other deal I’ll accept is that the Democrats renounce violence and disband their paramilitary forces.
Jews show no contrition for controlling world-wide media and banking, drinking the blood of Christian babies, and performing secret genetic experiments on blacks and other minorities.
This is too easy.
As for riots, Lucid-Ideas is right. Nobody even got any flat-screens or new Nikes out of it. Putzes.
the people who beat up and killed the capitol police officer - who are they?
were they arrested?
@Ken
I agree. Any President that is vilified by his detractors should resign immediately. Now do Biden.
Super weird. It's almost like they didn't stop and exchange political views and come to a common understanding in the middle of a violent riot.
FFS you are a stupid troll. I identify stupid by the questions asked. I am learning a new system an protocol now. I get asked about some part of that process and often reply that I'm not smart enough to ask a decent question yet.
The question of why would a President Trump supporter assault a cop, is seeking motive. A bedrock required element in prosecuting any legal case. So if you dont like the question provide a motive. Why would a President Trump supporter attack a cop?
Just as the New York Times and Washington Post were quick to assure us--in what was supposed to be news reporting--that allegations of improprieties involving Joe and Hunter Biden have been debunked, they now insist that Trump instigated the invasion of the Capitol.
BTW, included in the "reported" death count of the Capitol invasion are at least two or three, maybe four, who suffered heart attacks--and one of those may not even have been in the building. But no one ever counted any fatal heart attacks suffered during last year's BLM festivities as deaths caused by the demonstrations. If it wasn't for double standards, the media would have no standards at all.
10 Times Democrats Urged Violence Against Trump And His Supporters
D D Driver-
Occam's razor. Antifa hate police - and that would make it really easy for Antifa to kill a police officer.
Occam's razor. Trumpers have been calling for violence for two months. Stuff like this: "Next week sometime the Democrats will have generated enough votes to win. At that point, the civil war starts.. . . The bullet box is next. I greatly fear it will get bloody before it is over."
Or those that "believe the time has come for civil war if this fraud is allowed to stand."
Or that "These articles from the NYT's and your all's treatment of this election just make civil war more likely."
There a lot of people in Trumpland that have been calling for violence (or at a minimum arguing that violence was justified and inevitable.) You don't get to have it both ways. You don't get to spend two months calling for violence and then blame the other guys when the violence comes to pass.
The time to "tone down" the rhetoric was about six weeks ago. At this point, I take these guys at their word.
I agree 100% with the remarks by Trump, and because I was too far away from my phone to stop the video, was highly entertained by the Pearl clutching routine by those two comedians. Someone is “delusional” all right but those guys are missing it totally. That was good laugh. God bless Trump, he fights the narrative. What a tireless SOB. I wish he was president.
Pacwest
You trying for some sort of Big Mike Obtuseness award? I called for Biden to resign *in the comment you quote*.
I wish Paul Ryan had seen fit to allow a first term for Yrump.
[Wow Apple is back to being unable to spell-check Trumps name again! How mature and normal.]
Lets not forget Kieth Ellison promoting The Antifa handbook.
In the handbook - Antifa promotes false flag operations.
Ellison was caught and he deleted his facebook post.
New role for antifa: Biden’s 'shock troops'
. Trumpers have been calling for violence for two months.
NYC looted and sacked twice in the past year by the Democrat’s paramilitary forces.
I support the formation of Republican paramilitary forces and the use of those forces in response.
DD - we are in a civil war.
A cold civil war..
Antifa get to do what they want. Including false flag operations.
Nobody else can speak.
The deplorables are either going to separate from Trump or following him off a cliff.
What a stupid set of binary choices nicely tailored to ignore the 75 million who voted for him, Asshole. Maybe, just maybe, we were waiting until the 20th to say goodbye in the normal orderly transition of power instead of pretending his first term should end early because the left and consumers of their bile hate him. Why don’t you let him leave with the same dignity every offer president is accorded? Last Wednesday was 99.7% peaceful si he should get credit for urging peace.
The question of why would a President Trump supporter assault a cop, is seeking motive.
I guess I will just believe my own lying eyes that Trump supporters were hurting cops. I don't think anyone intended to kill anyone.
Aside: I think it has yet to be proven that the deceased cop died from injuries during the riot. But the notion that it is somehow impossible that Trumpers killed a cop because they are so well behaved is bullshit.
Heave! Ho!
It's becoming increasingly, occasionally hilariously clear that Trump's haters need him even more than Trump supporters, the slander that Trump-supporters are all cultists notwithstanding. The funniest are the poor people who've made their living replying to Trump's tweets finding themselves with nothing to say or do. But this impeachment and the elevation of the supposed Trump threat level as the first act of Biden's presidency tells us where this is going: we'll talk about nothing but Trump and the threat he poses, and then we'll be talking about the de-Trumpification of American politics, under which banner all manner of illiberal things will make total sense.
Where is that gloomy buwaya these days? He should take a victory lap, and all we optimists need to find some new reasons for optimism. It's an attitude, after all.
One does not express contrition for things one did not do.
@chuck:
Trump is already irrelevant. This is much bigger than Trump. I think you have mistaken a tree for the forest.
I fully expect the Deplorables to continue their self-defeating ways as they slide into oblivion. The white working class is only about 40% of the population and declining. They've lost most of their cultural power, and their relative economic and financial well-being have declined.
The centrality of Trump to the Trump-hater's thinking and narratives apparently extends to Farmer, whose otherwise analytical, metrics driven approach seems inadequate when Trump is the subject. Then it's all about wish casting away the embarrassing orange failure, or something.
D.D. Driver said...
The question of why would a President Trump supporter assault a cop, is seeking motive.
I guess I will just believe my own lying eyes that Trump supporters were hurting cops. I don't think anyone intended to kill anyone.
Aside: I think it has yet to be proven that the deceased cop died from injuries during the riot. But the notion that it is somehow impossible that Trumpers killed a cop because they are so well behaved is bullshit.
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You are adding shit that is not alleged, such that it is "somehow impossible..."
Further, you are assuming that the person(s) who beat the cop are Trump supporters, when it's not at all clear that ONLY Trump supporters invaded the building and engaged in violence.
dd driver posts a video. Jumps to a conclusion President Trump supporters are involved...that in no way identifies the people, let alone their self identifying preferences.
It's no wonder you spout such nonsense. You just make stuff up.
@J. Farmer
The “slide into oblivion” is more fake news.
I used to live in NYC and Woodstock. I now live in a very blue collar town in upstate NY. I grew up in rural Illinois.
The Deplorables are doing fine. Everybody’s rich by the standards of two generations ago. Everybody’s confident.
You need to stop reading dumb bullshit.
This Hate Whitey shit has been going on my entire life. I’m retired now, so I can tell you a naughty secret. Every sensible employer wants to hire a Deplorable white guy like me for their job, so long as they can hide it some way. We Deplorables get things done and we show up on time.
"Where is that gloomy buwaya these days?"
Yes, I know. It's been quite a while since he posted. I hope he's okay.
And to tack another message on, there is such a huge contrast between the mildness of what happened at the Capitol Building on January 6th and what would have happened if there hadn't been massive vote fraud and it had been admitted that Trump had been reelected.
That isn't to say that I think Antifa and BLM would have invaded the Capitol Building, even though they surely would have tried, because unlike the situation on January 6th there would have been police (and probably many other forces) in place to block them.
Blogger Mike (MJB Wolf):
What a stupid set of binary choices nicely tailored to ignore the 75 million who voted for him, Asshole.
Sweet of you to say, thanks.
Why don’t you let him leave with the same dignity every offer president is accorded? Last Wednesday was 99.7% peaceful si he should get credit for urging peace.
I am not talking about Trump leaving office before the inauguration. I am talking about the role he plays after the inauguration, which I hope is minimal to none. Taking any cues from Trump would be a serious miscalculation. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
I fully expect the Deplorables to continue their self-defeating ways as they slide into oblivion. The white working class is only about 40% of the population and declining. They've lost most of their cultural power, and their relative economic and financial well-being have declined.
And yet apparently you think that given your proposition, and the fact that these same people are being disrespected and attacked by the powerful, will result in some form of docile decay?
The message was born with Reagan, and then ignored by the powerful after he left.
The message was reborn with the Tea Party, which was attacked and punished by the powerful.
Our response was Trump. He was the last warning. If the Left is dumb enough to persecute Trump, his family and his supporters I expect violence.
Wince said...
Notice it isn't worded "Trump denied allegations he instigated the mob..."
The "news" from the NYT now starts with a preloaded premise.
It's a sort of Kafkatrap, he didn't say anything that could be construed as inciting violence, but he didn't specifically tell them not not be violent. It's an impossible standard designed to allow them to keep up the fiction that he did incite violence.
"The NYT reports"
Opinion masquerading as reportage. NYTPo-oped.
Taking any cues from Trump would be a serious miscalculation. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
You gotta admit that Trump has been pretty successful for being the moron you guys keep saying he is. Pretty nice lifestyle, successful TV show, successful real estate business, closets full of awards from the Left for his record on civil rights and humanitarian work, and you know, the whole getting elected president thing.
I’m afraid of the paramilitary violence of the Democratic Party. Working in or traveling to NYC is not recommended currently, thanks to the Democrat’s thugs.
I’m in favor of the Democrats fearing my thugs. Just with I had them, too.
Every sensible employer wants to hire a Deplorable white guy like me for their job, so long as they can hide it some way. We Deplorables get things done and we show up on time.
But I was told that getting things done, and showing up on time were White Patriarchy concepts used to oppress women and people of color.
From a friend on social media:
You’ve actually got to kind of admire the quality of the propaganda that resulted in millions of Americans honestly thinking they’re on the side of resisting the spirit of tyranny while simultaneously celebrating the suppression of free and open communication on social media.
It is a pretty damned good trick.
"I’m afraid of the paramilitary violence of the Democratic Party. Working in or traveling to NYC is not recommended currently, thanks to the Democrat’s thugs."
Oh, please. The only paramilitary forces in this country are the police...most of whom, I suspect, are not Democrats.
@Shouting Thomas:
The “slide into oblivion” is more fake news.
The white working class population has declined in absolute terms and as a share of the population. Which of these two points do you think is untrue?
This Hate Whitey shit has been going on my entire life. I’m retired now, so I can tell you a naughty secret.
Pointing out the demographic, cultural, and economic decline of the white working class isn't "hate whitey." It's recognizing a crisis in the community that needs addressing.
You need to stop reading dumb bullshit.
Oh, sure. From now on I'll just extrapolate the entire white working class from the people you know "in a very blue collar town in upstate NY."
Jumps to a conclusion President Trump supporters are involved...that in no way identifies the people, let alone their self identifying preferences.
It's no wonder you spout such nonsense. You just make stuff up.
Maybe you are right. Maybe its Antifa all the way down. Antifa now has agents that are
now gray haired guys with MAGA hats (@ 47 sec.).
"You’ve actually got to kind of admire the quality of the propaganda that resulted in millions of Americans honestly thinking they’re on the side of resisting the spirit of tyranny while simultaneously celebrating the suppression of free and open communication on social media."
It's the same sort of self-blindness that leads the right to label all Black Lives Matter activists as violent thugs and rioters, while applauding those who invaded the capital building last week as wholly righteous protestors.
The truth is, in each case, most are law-abiding protestors and a minority are violent rioters.
closets full of awards from the Left for his record on civil rights and humanitarian work
Really?!
Link please.
@Gahrie:
You gotta admit that Trump has been pretty successful for being the moron you guys keep saying he is. Pretty nice lifestyle, successful TV show, successful real estate business, closets full of awards from the Left for his record on civil rights and humanitarian work, and you know, the whole getting elected president thing.
I didn't say he was a moron. Everything else you said is beside the point. The accuracy of Trump's positions isn't dependent on whether he is rich or has a "pretty nice lifestyle" or "closets full of awards."
Cook, in NYC something close to 100% of cops are probably registered Ds. It's the only way to have a voice in local matters. I'd be surprised if anything like a majority went D for national office, but they are Democrats. Their union, among others, would have it no other way.
closets full of awards from the Left for his record on civil rights and humanitarian work
Really?!
Link please.
You're kidding right? Or maybe trolling? Or am I supposed to believe that you are the only person in the world that doesn't remember Trump being regularly awarded and celebrated by the Left when everyone thought he was a Democrat and before he ran as a Republican?
If the last is true, start your education with a Google Images search of Trump, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as a single search term.
Ken,
So it is the Ken B approved rhetorical style that makes the difference then?
Question: Which of these is different from the other? Calling on a group of people who have shown themselves in the past to be polite, environmentally responsible, and non-violent to march on the capitol after what appears to be massive voter fraud. Denying the existence of a group of people roiting, looting, burning and killing and the bailing them out of jail to further your access to power?
But I guess it's how you say it that makes the difference.
Blogger Readering said...
Opens mouth, spews harmful nonsense.
Dammit, lady, just put it in writing like you normally do.
As has been said, if he had incited a riot the quotes would be running on CNN 24/7, with only breaks to let the anchors change their knickers...
NYT yet again inciting violence.
"Cook, in NYC something close to 100% of cops are probably registered Ds. It's the only way to have a voice in local matters. I'd be surprised if anything like a majority went D for national office, but they are Democrats. Their union, among others, would have it no other way."
You are making a supposition. Even granting for discussion's sake that your supposition is anywhere near accurate, it is not existentially accurate, (in the sense that most NYC cops are likely not anything but Republicans in any but presumed party affiliation).
Cook, they really are registered Dems. Just like the Trump-loving ethnics in enclaves in NYC like Italians, etc. The Dem registration is a part of their heritage, and it's not given up lightly. This is not just supposition, I know a lot of cops. Not a single one registered GOP.
J. Farmer said...
The white working class population has declined in absolute terms and as a share of the population. Which of these two points do you think is untrue?
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Maybe true, but you are leaving out the brown. black and other non-white working class people, many of whom voted for Trump.
When you add in all the working class, are they in decline, and which party is trying to reach them?
Oh, please. The only paramilitary forces in this country are the police...most of whom, I suspect, are not Democrats.
True to form, Commie Cook lies out his ass again.
NYC was sacked and looted twice by the Democrat’s paramilitary forces, BLM and Antifa, in the past year.
What is it about commies that makes them pathological liars?
I lived and worked in NYC for years and I still frequently go there, you fucking liar. You think I don’t believe what I saw?
Why do you lie so brazenly, Cook? Can’t help yourself?
"Oh, please. The only paramilitary forces in this country are the police...most of whom, I suspect, are not Democrats."
So all the looting and burning of buildings done this summer was done by cops? I honestly didn't know that.
There is probably a Staten Island exception to this rule. The Republican Party in these parts still has the stink of the Nelson Rockefeller country-club fuckers who dominated it for so long, so a lot of folks who are conservative can't bring themselves to associate with an organization of such elitist heritage.
@Ken,
I'm not trying to bash you here. You do make cogent points in a lot of your comments. But I think the false equivalency you are making between Trump and Biden/Harris is not well thought out.
Look, people, at what’s happening here.
Lying lowlife fucks like Cook and the Democratic Party are trying to convince you that their paramilitary forces didn’t riot, loot, commit arson and attack cops in every major city.
The only thing that’s really going on here is that Cook and the Democratic are demanding a sole license to practice paramilitary violence. This “demand” for nonviolence from Republicans, is really just a demand that you disarm and render yourself helpless before their violence.
There’s no reasoning with this, folks. The only answer, which I guarantee you is on the way, is paramilitary force from the other side.
I’m an old man, so I’m pretty useless as in that regard. But, it’s coming.
When the only way to find out what Trump - The President of the United States - said, or didn't say is through CNN, he is already irrelevant.
CNN and the NYT? Why get your propaganda second hand? Was the DNC too busy to comment?
It’s 1984 On Steroids. Big Banks, Mega Corporations make Donations to non-democrat party illegal.
The left are going to cancel all of their rivals.
how Punin-esque.
In 2024, no matter what candidate the Republicans nominate, the Democrats will call him or her the “next literal Hitler” and racist.
Six months before the 2024 election, Antifa and BLM, the Democrat’s paramilitary forces will once again be on the streets rioting, looting, committing arson and attacking cops.
This is a form of electioneering for Democrats.
stlcdr said...
When the only way to find out what Trump - The President of the United States - said, or didn't say is through CNN, he is already irrelevant.
************
Your childlike faith in CNN's veracity is....precious.
Your assumption that the only way to find out...is through CNN, is plainly wrong.
Trump has been carpet bombed for the past 5 years by the CIA, FBI, Media, Google, Special Counsel, the House, Europe, and China. There is nothing he could have said or done during that period that would have changed today's or last year's headline narrative at all. After this billion dollar proctology exam Trump has to be the most innocent man on earth or history's greatest super genius mastermind. Anyone who thinks Trump is stupid or weak is a dumbshit. He beat the deep state's coup, he did not beat the deep state.
@J Farmer
The Deplorables are doing fine.
I love documentaries, and so I’ve watched that steady onslaught of documentaries about the demise of the Deplorables. The attack of the documentaries is part of fake new propaganda, intended to demoralize the hated enemy, middle and lower class whites.
The Deplorables really don’t seem to mind sharing their country or the wealth. My blue collar town is quite integrated and doesn’t have any problem with that. Well, the Democrats would like for there to be problems and they try to create them.
Documentaries are leftist by definition almost all the time. I’ve made documentaries. You can’t find funding for non-liberal documentaries. One of the great downfalls of conservatives is that they don’t create a farm system for young artists and creatives.
These Conservatives who want Trump to run again really surprise me. He was mediocre campaigning against Hillary (she did a better job hurting herself) and downright awful campaigning against Biden. He only shined when he was running against the dopey empty suits in the Republican Party like Jeb!!! and Kasich.
Looks like Old Corrupt Joe is saying he and his party will harass Trump after Trump is gone from office.
#unity!
Now, it is true that the Democrat’s paramilitary forces, Antifa and BLM, are not always visible on the streets of NYC.
But they come out from time to time to show us their capabilities and then disappear.
So that Robert Cook can deny that they are his thugs. While still benefitting from their violence.
"You don't get to have it both ways. You don't get to spend two months calling for violence and then blame the other guys when the violence comes to pass."
The initial "you" is doing a lot of work there.
Cause you apparently get to actually engage in riots, looting and arson, and your Democrat leaders get to explicitly actively endorse it, raise bail money, etc. etc., and then you still get to blame the other guys when they commit 0.00000001% of that violence. And call them the insurrectionists.
Yeah. The only ones who get to have it both ways is you guys, and you *always* get to have it both ways. We get that. That's always been true as long as I've been alive.
wholelottasplainin' said...
stlcdr said...
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Your childlike faith in CNN's veracity is....precious.
Your assumption that the only way to find out...is through CNN, is plainly wrong.
1/12/21, 12:27 PMSo are you saying that the democrats, media and tech giants are NOT shutting down independent and conservative outlets? That we can get the actual truth rather than the 'mainstream-truth' authorized reporting agencies (sic)?
Prediction:
Antifa will show up dressed as MAGA - for Biden's coronation ceremony.
*we won't hear about who was arrested* *you know why*
J. Farmer said...
"@chuck:
Trump is already irrelevant. This is much bigger than Trump. I think you have mistaken a tree for the forest.
I fully expect the Deplorables to continue their self-defeating ways as they slide into oblivion. The white working class is only about 40% of the population and declining. They've lost most of their cultural power, and their relative economic and financial well-being have declined."
Look who's out there at the rallies. it ain't the working class. They're at work. It's professionals, the self employed. mom and dad.
I fully expect the Deplorables to continue their self-defeating ways as they slide into oblivion. The white working class is only about 40% of the population and declining. They've lost most of their cultural power, and their relative economic and financial well-being have declined."
Well, I agree that surgeons are working class. Lawyers, of course are superior.
Thanks, Michael K.
what does "white working class" even mean?
suckers?
The void left by tech's fascist lefties blocking all they disagree with has created a massive opportunity for new media. It is almost like they are begging Trump to compete with them. Sure hope Trump accepts the challenge and eventually destroys them by building a bigger better freer social media.
Joe is going to Impeach Trump after Trump leaves office. Is this even possible?
The left will make it possible.
They are terrified of him. Certainly the left are terrified of free speech.
You will be made to worship The Party.
Prediction:
Antifa will show up dressed as MAGA - for Biden's coronation ceremony.
The next false flag will involve guns.
That blasted Trump won't agree with us that he is the worst thing ever!
In 2024, no matter what candidate the Republicans nominate, the Democrats will call him or her the “next literal Hitler” and racist.
Six months before the 2024 election, Antifa and BLM, the Democrat’s paramilitary forces will once again be on the streets rioting, looting, committing arson and attacking cops.
This is a form of electioneering for Democrats.
They'll also be saying that Trump was much more rational, and a much nicer guy, than the current Republican.
I didn't think it could get worse than the Left's continuous gaslighting that the election wasn't stolen.
Now they draw a literal equivalency between "question the election" and "insurrection". Between "the election was stolen" and "domestic terrorism".
Continue to question our election theft, and we will bring the full violence of the state against you. And just in case that's not enough to scare you silent, every corporation in America will collude to deplatform and silence you and destroy whatever few businesses you have left after we intentionally destroyed them via COVID lockdowns.
All while riots in Portland and elsewhere continue, with no interference - in fact, actual encouragement - from that same state.
But yeah, we're the violent ones.
Pacwest
I am not making an equivalence. I am saying both should resign. Neither has the moral courage to do so. I don’t see them as equally bad, just both need to resign.
I fully expect the Deplorables to continue their self-defeating ways as they slide into oblivion.
I wasn't talking about deplorables, but your misunderstanding is revealing. I was talking about the ongoing power grab and the developing response. Trump isn't part of that, he has been taken off the board.
stlcdr said...
wholelottasplainin' said...
stlcdr said...
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Your childlike faith in CNN's veracity is....precious.
Your assumption that the only way to find out...is through CNN, is plainly wrong.
1/12/21, 12:27 PMSo are you saying that the democrats, media and tech giants are NOT shutting down independent and conservative outlets? That we can get the actual truth rather than the 'mainstream-truth' authorized reporting agencies (sic)?
^^^^^^^^^^
Fer chrissake: they haven't shut down Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, The Blaze, Limbaugh,
(not yet, anyway. But that wasn't your claim)Levin...
@Shouting Thomas:
The Deplorables are doing fine.
I love documentaries, and so I’ve watched that steady onslaught of documentaries about the demise of the Deplorables. The attack of the documentaries is part of fake new propaganda, intended to demoralize the hated enemy, middle and lower class whites.
I am not talking about documentaries. Look at the raw demographic data. Working class white Americans were 70% of the US population in 1980. Today they're 40%. Meanwhile, neoliberal policies have seen their jobs shipped overseas, mass immigration, and financialization. That isn't "doing fine."
Documentaries are leftist by definition almost all the time.
For non-leftist perspectives on the demographic issue, see Peter Brimelow's Alien Nation, Pat Buchanan's The Death of the West, or Charles Murray's Coming Apart.
The hate orgy is ebbing. The left prematurely ejaculated. Now comes karma.
Trump is unextinquishable. Trumpism even more so.
Meet the New World Order, same as the Old World Order.
Ken B said...
Pacwest
I am not making an equivalence. I am saying both should resign. Neither has the moral courage to do so. I don’t see them as equally bad, just both need to resign.
************
Yeah, it takes real courage, and especially moral courage, to simply give up in the face of a mob howling for their blood.
SNORT
@chuck:
I wasn't talking about deplorables, but your misunderstanding is revealing. I was talking about the ongoing power grab and the developing response. Trump isn't part of that, he has been taken off the board.
Good for you. That wasn't what I was talking about. The comment of mine that you replied to was about "deplorables" (aka white working class).
Internet meme "Trump is a dumb man's idea of a smart man, a poor man's idea of a rich man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man."
I would add he is a cucks idea of a stud, a cowards idea of a hero and a fat man's idea of in shape.
Howard
You need to learn the word wittol.
Bet Big Mike knows it.
"a weak man's idea of a strong man"
That could be. But I would also bet that if one measured the max bench press of a sample of men, higher numbers would correlate with voting for Trump. What that means, I don't know. I doubt they see him as a strong man, so that would be consistent with this saying.
Shouting Thomas said...In 2024, no matter what candidate the Republicans nominate, the Democrats will call him or her the “next literal Hitler” and racist.
Well, of course they will. They always do that as I have been pointing out here for the last four years of people trying to understand Trump hatred.
Ken,
Sounds too much like mob rule for me. Especially in the case of Trump, and to a lesser degree Biden. And in this instance I don't think the two cases are anywhere near comparable.
people trying to understand Trump hatred.
Maybe it's a quibble but the hatred is for those who voted for him. Like he said, "They hate you. I'm just in the way." I posted a quote from one of them in the thread above.
Trump did a great job for the first 3 years of his term.
In the last year, he was destroyed by the Democrat’s pandemic panic and Cloward-Piven strategy. He still did a fine job of managing the virus panic and delivering a vaccine.
The Democrat’s put a gun to the electorate’s head with its paramilitary forces, BLM and Antifa and told the voters: “Vote for us or the punishment will continue.”
Either Trump will be back smarter, knowing that he has to control the DOJ, CIA and FBI first, and have a strategy for doing that, or there will be a different Republican candidate in the future who has these skills.
Trump outsider status proved to be his undoing, although it was also what we wanted from him. Given the determination of the federal bureaucracy to oppose him in every instance, he did a great job.
I thank President Trump for his efforts. He was a step in the right direction. The next iteration of opposition to the Democrat’s paramilitary strategy will be better equipped to fight back without illusions.
"Trump is a dumb man's idea of a smart man, a poor man's idea of a rich man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man."
And you picked Biden in opposition? Heh.
@Howard
That Biggus Dickus thing is yours is still really fucking stupid.
I’ve tried to tell you from the time you started here that it makes you look like a damned fool.
You seem too stupid to figure this out.
I haven't voted in nearly two decades. Why? Because I spent the last 18 years working in Government Relations for a multi-billion corporation. I worked with governments from the local to the federal level. Both my vote and yours are meaningless and as such, I have no team to support. It's a waste of both time and energy. Better to smoke weed , make wonderful meals and work in the garden. What this arrangement affords me the opportunity to view politics objectively. Three takeaways:
1) President Trump lacks self-control, to his detriment.
2) Progressives politicians lack self-control, to their detriment.
3) This is not going to end well for either team.
Trumpkins
What is an example of a pejorative identifying one's team membership?
“Sedition and conspiracy charges coming” from a US attorney now in a press conference. Good to hear there will be repercussions. Maybe some of the big brave talkers like a few here will rethink their threats. Trump may not be showing contrition or regret, but his followers are already feeling the pain. There are a few videos out there of people who were traced by their phones tracking to have been inside the Capitol building and grounds have been put on no flight lists and are being kicked off of flights. Oh the tears as they are kicked off the planes. That is just the beginning.
Why the hell should Trump admit blame when the media NEVER will admit the same for their part when they legitimized riots earlier this year?
Trump may not be showing contrition or regret, but his followers are already feeling the pain.
What is an example of a statement identifying one's team membership?
For those who don’t know the history of rotten, lying Inga, she was banished from this blog for quite a while for incessant repetition of the “Nice people” hoax.
She’s a purveyor of the Russia collusion hoax. Three years of repeated lies from this vicious, no good bitch.
And, for some reason she appears on this blog as a person convinced of her high moral standing.
Go figure.
“What is an example of a statement identifying one's team membership?”
I would assume the purpose for them being inside the Capitol will come out in the individual investigations. It doesn’t matter what “team” they were on, they had no business illegally being in the Capitol.
Pacwest
Eisenhower wrote a resignation letter in advance of D Day in case it failed. Failure would not have been his fault, but I think he showed real leadership. Agree? Sometimes a leader has to just take responsibility so everyone else can move on.
Oh the tears as they are kicked off the planes. That is just the beginning.
Just think, if you get lucky they'll televise the firing squads.
“For those who don’t know the history of rotten, lying Inga, she was banished from this blog for quite a while for incessant repetition of the “Nice people” hoax.”
Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about and I bet Althouse doesn’t either. You sound psychotic.
Inga, you are the foulest, most ruthless liar on the web.
You’re a despicable piece of shit.
You’re a vicious, no good, rotten cunt.
Skippy
Scornful words suggest scorn. Who knew?
Actually I stole trumpkin from Meade, who voted for trump twice. But Meade isn’t a trumpkin.
I have scornful terms for other groups too. Just ask the covidiot denialists here.
People who abandon evidence and logic deserve scorn.
Carefully there ST. Skippy might think you don’t like Inga.
“Actually I stole trumpkin from Meade, who voted for trump twice.”
Why would Trumpkin be considered scornful? It actually makes Trumpists sound cute. Even the term Trumpist is mild.
If I call ST “psycho” it’s only because he’s so adorable.
Inga
“Kin” as a suffix is a diminutive and hence implies childishness.
Inga, how in the hell did you ever convince yourself that you are a decent, moral human being who others look to for moral guidance?
I mean, it’s something of a toss-up between you and Robert Cook, the Stalinist, who pictures himself as an even handed moralist, for most delusional basket case.
I am sorry, Thomas. It's very hard to contain my multiple levels of privilege. I'll try and follow your example and be more humble and subservient.
Howard
“ I'll try and follow your example and be more humble and subservient.”
Careful. You’ll ending think Trump is a stud.
@Howard,
That was an improvement.
You managed a post without once invoking “you people.”
Next, stop yanking out your dick and bragging about how big it is.
"as a person convinced of her high moral standing"
Fascists always believe they are morally superior it is how they justify their atrocities.
Think about this.
Inga’s just the tip of the iceberg.
The Democrats are proudly advocating a national blacklisting program.
After a year of using their paramilitary forces as shock troops in every major city in the U.S.
We’re dealing with ruthless, savage evil here.
“We’re dealing with ruthless, savage evil here.”
Drama queen.
Stop being so judgemental, Inga. Thomas is a sensitive artist.
“Stop being so judgemental, Inga. Thomas is a sensitive artist.”
I’ll try to treat him accordingly. ;D
It’s impossible to overstate how evil and rotten you are, Inga.
A national blacklisting program!
Really, Inga, you’re just an evil person. There is nothing worthwhile in you.
“A national blacklisting program!”
Another fantasy from the musical artiste!
So, which of your lies are you currently defending, Inga?
The one you uttered a few minutes ago or the most recent one?
How does a pathological liar like you even keep that straight?
What goes on in the personal life of an evil, rotten woman like you? It can’t be pretty.
Quick, Inga, without thinking about it.
Which of your current line of lies is the one you’re holding onto?
Inga, quit baiting Thomas. He's liable to take it seriously and strap himself to a glitterbomb in Albany.
Uh oh, McConnell reportedly now pro impeachment! What changed his mind I wonder? Big donors?
Well, the NYT said it so it must be true...
Come 'on, man! Can we not return to days of more civil commentary?
Inga...Allie Oop said...
Althouse got from me the respect she deserved, which was none. She routinely insults her commenters, yet demands that they apologize to her when they retaliate. It is a point of view deletion and banning and she was insulted that I didn’t accept her vast knowledge on the subject. She IS a lazy thinker, I’ve seen it many times over the years. What she deleted was me telling her that as a law professor she should know better and be embarrassed. I also called her a stupid woman, which is not unwarranted.
I think that the law students she “taught” via text book lesson plans should demand a refund from UW. As for Althouse treating women commenters differently than the male commenters, indeed yes she does. I’ve seen it happen numerous times over the years of commenting here. Demanding respect from commenters for providing a forum in which to express one’s opinions does not warrant abuse from the blog owner. Commenting here isn’t worth the abuse, from Trump Cultists and from the clueless blog owner. There have been numerous liberals/ leftists whatever floats your boat that have left and haven’t returned. This blog has always been Althouse’s little shrine to herself. Her narcissism is sometimes revealed itself as it did yesterday. Not commenting here is NO loss to me.
7/26/19, 2:42 PM
Full Moon, but what did that have to do with the “Nice people” controversy? Nothing.
The proof is in the pudding.Or is the proof in the tasting of the pudding? Does pudding have standing? Will Supreme Court allow pudding to be presented?
Ann Althouse said...
Inga, you said something awful and got people talking, then you published — what? — 16 MORE COMMENTS JUSTIFYING YOURSELF.
It makes NO SENSE for one person to publish so many comments in a thread. You said something that sounded hateful and really wrong to me and to many other people, and yet you don't apologize, you just keep responding, comment after comment, as if you've got a lot to say and it's really interesting. Show some goddamn restraint.
7/23/18, 3:38 PM
Never go Full Karen, Moon
Full Moon, what do you think you’re accomplishing? I regret any mean words I have said in anger to Althouse and I think she may too, dunno.
But, if I ever need to remember an exact quote I know you can be counted on to have them stored in your “files”, carry on dear heart. You serve a purpose here too.
When you have spent the last 50 years convincing yourself that you can have a consequence free society and consequences show up it has to be a real shock.
Confess, submit ... confess, submit ... confess, submit ... Kafkaesque.
I read this as Trump being very worried about his legal jeopardy, as he should be. He may have various legal defenses to criminal charges, and he may have legal and political defenses to impeachment, but nothing is certain and he could lose, again. So he's trying to rally his supporters with his shtick of never saying sorry, and who knows? maybe it will work.
All in fun!
(commenter said) said...
Inga said...
Your blog has become the cesspool it once was. I'm pretty much done here.
Translation: I'm going to use another name.
Too funny. You can't make this shit up!
6/30/17, 6:58 PM
Apology accepted ! Thanks a million.
Eisenhower wrote a resignation letter in advance of D Day in case it failed. Failure would not have been his fault, but I think he showed real leadership. Agree?
No. If he thought the plan was not the best available or others could do better he should not have been in charge. Offering himself as a scapegoat may have been admirable in a long gone day of national purpose, but again, you are conflating two completely different situations.
Sometimes a leader has to just take responsibility so everyone else can move on.
Move on to what Ken? I realize that a lot of people think that the Biden/Harris Presidency will be just another day in the life going forward, and I assume you are one of them. Those are not my thoughts. And really I have seen nothing to indicate Trump should not serve out his Presidency other than a bunch of raving loons trying to discredit a movement for better governance. Giving into a mob is rarely a good idea. Disastrous in this instance imo.
The NYtimes opines
Fixed it
I’m so tired of “journalism” that demands you accept the premise. “Instigated” “without evidence” blah blah blah. I instantly don’t bother reading the opinion. Because it’s just another opinion, nothing newsworthy.
“Apology accepted ! Thanks a million.”
Who are you to accept an apology to Althouse, are you trying to pass yourself off as her sockpuppet? LOL! That’s insulting to Althouse.
Another poster completely lacking in self-awareness.
""President Trump on Tuesday showed no contrition or regret"
Attaboy.
Russia Collusion Dead Ender Truther Inga: "Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about and I bet Althouse doesn’t either."
This is now Inga's psycho response when confronted with what she has written nearly everyday for 5 years.
She doesn't remember a single word of any of it and now "officially" believes she never wrote any of it.
Its fascinating to watch in real time.
@Howard.
Chivalry noted. Be careful, SheWolf a heart breaker(but she sho can cook!).
You see Santa Cruz story? Yacht Club kids in little sailboats capsized by huge waves. Rescued by surfers.
Could have been disastrous.
Interesting article linked to on Instapundit: "Which of these words spoken by Trump would cause you to riot?" by Victoria Taft. Sorry: I still haven't mastered the art of making clickable links, but the link Insty provides is easily found Or you can give this a shot:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/01/11/which-of-these-words-by-trump-would-cause-you-to-riot-n1327633
Cheney announces voting impeachment. McConnell lets out he's glad Dems are doing this.
Didn't see that story Moon, thanks. Sounds like a typical Santa Cruz tale. Surfers there rescue more folks than lifeguards. Forecast 25-foot seas. WTF, over.
BTW, it's illegal to surf the SC harbor mouth. Good thing some folks ignore the law.
It's a trap, Readering.
Contrition for what? For urging cheers for senators and congressmen and peaceful protests?
This country is done.
wholelottasplainin' said...
stlcdr said...
wholelottasplainin' said...
stlcdr said...
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Fer chrissake: they haven't shut down Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, The Blaze, Limbaugh,
(not yet, anyway. But that wasn't your claim)Levin...
1/12/21, 1:23 PM
No, not my claim, directly...but along the same lines 'if you dont like twitter censorship, start your own'. How did that work out?
Plus, the constant marginalization of conservative outlets has lead to any of those you have mentioned are not news outlets: that is being drummed into the general populace constantly. CNN is the de-facto news source.
As liberals are want to say 'for cryin out loud, the government isn't coming for your guns! That just demonstrates right wing nutjob paranoia!'
I for one am shocked to see that Althouse commentators stand by their man, even after he directs a mob to commit multiple police murders.
It seems quaint that you folks used to get all frothy when anyone would show the police any disrespect or question our boys in blue in any way. Used to be if you didn’t listen to LE: you get what you get.
And now look, what’s said as the barbarians are crashing the gates and our republic’s last few defenders hang on for dear life.
I CaNt BeLIeve THe pOLiCe WouLD ASsassiNAte thAt POOr PAtriOT GIrl!!!
Pacwest
Well we are gonna have to disagree about Eisenhower. Eisenhower is on my side though.
1. The people in government who perpetrated the Russian Collusion Hoax committed sedition.
2. Trump’s conduct since the election has been abhorrent. His activities in Georgia gave Schumer the majority.
3. Trump’s inability to put his narcissism aside is going to,cost him dearly in the future. He has destroyed his brand. Within 3 years he is going to have to liquidate his holdings and the new owners will,erase his name from everything.
4. Trump’s treatment of Mike Pence has been abhorrent. A person who demands absolute loyalty but shows none is one of the lowest forms of life.
Blogger DarigoldVanilla said...
I for one am shocked to see that Althouse commentators stand by their man, even after he directs a mob to commit multiple police murders.
It seems quaint that you folks used to get all frothy when anyone would show the police any disrespect or question our boys in blue in any way. Used to be if you didn’t listen to LE: you get what you get.
And now look, what’s said as the barbarians are crashing the gates and our republic’s last few defenders hang on for dear life.
I CaNt BeLIeve THe pOLiCe WouLD ASsassiNAte thAt POOr PAtriOT GIrl!!!
You are out of your mind. How about this: why don’t you read trumps speech transcript and tell us where he says the ridiculous things you said he said. He said go up and cheer the congressman on the Capitol Hill. He said go up and be peaceful. I can’t imagine what you would have to say about Dr. Kings Mountain top speech. You probably said he was a black revolutionary bent on destroying the country.
Pence betrayed the constitution, the interesests of christians law abiding peopls et al, i wish it were not true.
Pence: "In the midst of a global pandemic, economic hardship for millions of Americans, and the tragic events of January 6th, now is the time for us to come together, now is the time to heal.
"I urge you and every member of Congress to avoid actions that would further divide and inflame the passions of the moment. Work with us to lower the temperature and unite our country as we prepare to inaugurate President-elect Biden as the next President. I pledge to you that I will commit to do my part to work in good faith with the incoming administration to ensure an orderly transition of power. So help me God."
Pelosi: "Heal? Hell! Hold my beer!"
"I am not making an equivalence. I am saying both should resign. Neither has the moral courage to do so. I don’t see them as equally bad, just both need to resign."
You're really all-in for Kamala.
Stand by their man? They're in it together.
So he's doing exactly what Democrats say and do about the destruction of the summer of love??
J. Farmer said...
"It's like we're slowly pulling off the world's longest band-aid. They need to shove a Big Mac in Donald's hand, shove him in a corner, and forget about him. The deplorables are either going to separate from Trump or following him off a cliff."
You haven't been paying attention. It's not ab out Trump. It never has been. Go back to first principals.
D.D.Driver said' "
"There a lot of people in Trumpland that have been calling for violence (or at a minimum arguing that violence was justified and inevitable.) You don't get to have it both ways. You don't get to spend two months calling for violence and then blame the other guys when the violence comes to pass.
The time to "tone down" the rhetoric was about six weeks ago. At this point, I take these guys at their word."
So. You punch me in the face and I'm supposed to let it go? You were warned. For more than 4 years you've been pushing half this country around. We're deplorables. We're scum, knuckle draggers, not fit for your society. And now your outraged that somebody punched back? But we're playing by your rules D.D.. You put the quarter in the jutebox. You called the tune. Now piss off. You're a waste of oxygen.
Witness
Yes the turbulent priest thing is certainly arguable. But you might not need it. Trump was trying to get the crowd to pressure Pence to violate his oath. That might be enough right there.
Anything published by "The NY Times" is pure propoganda. Shades of Walter Duranty (Stalin's Apologist) during the 'Stalin Era' purges.
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