This story would have "garnered" so much more attention — and, of course, "consternation" — if only Ms. Ponsetto had been white. The Times calls it "another example," but it's not really in the category for which examples are being... garnered. Ponsetto is, her lawyer says, of Puerto Rican and Vietnamese descent, and she's not even charged with a hate crime — because, according to the police, "she didn't say anything about that."
Why is the charge robbery and not assault? Is there evidence that she knew the phone was not hers?
In the TV interview, Ponsetto wears a cap that reads "Daddy" and says "I consider myself super sweet." The high point of the interview comes at 4:46 when Ponsetto lifts her hand, palm out, toward Gayle King and says "All right, Gayle. Enough." Now, that's not a crime, but it does show a young woman with unusual instincts, instincts also on view in the hotel video (which you can also see in the embedded clip).
How does a 22-year-old woman acquire that orientation in the world? I'll hypothesize that it has something to do with the self-image "super sweet."
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It sounds like a celebrity interest story, soap opera of old transferred into modern wokeness rules for the NYT readers.
Police in CA arrest based upon a warrant from NYC? Is she going to be extradited to NYC?
The guy was tackled! How is that a crime?
She had, I take it, the wrong attitude in the melieu of the new reigning rules. That's something all NYT readers will need to know about, a new anxiety to be created and organized.
No more playing Bayesian odds for you.
The lawyer called her client disrespectful? Am I reading that right?
I was about to say that there’s no other way to read it, but you’re a retired law professor, Althouse, and I am certain you can find five different ways to interpret “Hello, how are you.”
I want to stick a frozen pea under her mattress. Isn't tackling (under certain circumstances) is assault and battery in the eyes of the law? Of course, IANAL.
What if the kid she tackled had been some 14 year old ginger doofus son of a milkman like I was at that age?
So many questions. So much entitlement. Such a peculiar time we live in.
I was hoping she would be hot at least. This deserves a female privilege tag. Even though she tackled the guy, he can't throttle her in self defense.
“ How does a 22-year-old woman acquire that orientation in the world?”
Belief in a world view that essentially says that the only things that exist are in the physical realm - things you can see with your eyes and touch with your hands - and that life is one big struggle against other people - eat or be eaten. People trapped in that worldview tend to divide roughly into two groups: the fighters and the flight-ers. She appears to be a fighter.
I’ve often in my life felt the same way, acting differently in a particular moment than, in a more calm or reflective moment I wish I hadn’t. The only way forward in that world for me was to get out of - to give up - the struggle for survivor and self esteem. The hat required me to believe more deeply that the universe was from its foundation, structured in my favor.
Our phones are driving us crazy.
And this womex is who?
The guy was tackled! How is that a crime?
That’s assault.
Accusing someone of a crime, without any evidence and then continuing to insist on it, like a petulant child, after you are proven wrong, is a totally toxic and destructive act.
I think peoples visceral disgust and outrage in reaction to this video and this girl’s
Insane entitlement, describe how intelligent, rational Americans feel about the MAGAt election fraud lies.
White people, like Donald J. Trump, are never confronted with baseless accusations.
"was yet another example of Black people in America being confronted with baseless accusations while simply going about their lives"
Baseless? Remove from crime stats the crimes committed by the notorious "youths" found in the 13% and America looks as safe as Europe ever was in its pre-Muslim days.
These very rare incidents are repeatedly re-published and glorified in the fakenews to give the false impressions that blacks are above suspicion and that they are also victimized by people of other races.
In reality blacks commit most violent crimes in the US and most of their victims are also black.
It wasn’t a false accusation.
“False accusation” aka “bearing false witness”
It was simply an accusation.
It’s my understanding that she really did believe the young man had stolen her phone.
Accusing someone of something that it turns out they didn’t do happens all the time, and there’s usually a process for making a determination as to the accuracy of the charge.
In this case it would have taken about 30 seconds for the young man to prove it was his phone, but that would’ve been nearly as entertaining. It’s true that he was under no obligation to do so, however in a civilized society we are occasionally called upon to make simple concessions and go on with our lives.
As to the “white woman” identifier?
You might want to examine the heredity of or new VP
From the interview and the video I got a sense of someone with impulse control or spectrum disorder.
TeaBagHag said...I think peoples visceral disgust and outrage in reaction to this video and this girl’s
Insane entitlement, describe how intelligent, rational Americans feel about the MAGAt election fraud lies.
Really? Are you a new troll or an old troll under a new name?
Ann you lived in new york. This type of attitude is typical of new yorkers is it not? It's also one of the reasons why I will never visit that god-awful city. In terms of her actions going after the black teenager, she was just going with the odds. Probability is the smartest play when there is little time and plenty of unknowns. If her phone had been stolen, Vegas money would have been on the black teen.
SoHo Karen?!
Blogger Levi Starks said...
It wasn’t a false accusation.
“False accusation” aka “bearing false witness”
It was simply an accusation
It was a false accusation because he didn’t take her phone. Most phones look like most phones. Did she have reason to think he stole hers? From a quick read of the story, it doesn’t even sound like she had reason to believe her phone was stolen, let alone that he was the culprit.
Hot girls are never told "no" or told that they are wrong. Her problem is she isn't as hot as she thinks.
Patrick said... In terms of her actions going after the black teenager, she was just going with the odds.
Her phone wasn’t stolen at all. She left it in an Uber.
Must be hard for liberals to balance all of the mitigating racial factors in crazy person stories like this, where and how to apply the outrage signals correctly at the next water cooler / cocktail party.
tim maguire said...it doesn’t even sound like she had reason to believe her phone was stolen, let alone that he was the culprit.
Simply being in NYC and missing anything is reason enough to suspect your property has been stolen.
Admitting you are wrong about something, after you’ve invested so much energy and ego into staking out your position, takes immense self awareness and courage.
Or you can double down and yell louder when your baseless claims are exposed as a lie.
NY detectives travelled to California? For this crime? Meanwhile, murders in the Big Apple continue unabated.
"yet another example of Black people in America being confronted with baseless accusations while simply going about their lives"
Apologies for whataboutism, but --
How many of the hundreds of thousands of blacks attacking whites every year are not confronted with any accusations and simply go on with their lives?
Her problem is she isn't as hot as she thinks.
Are any of us?
"Even though she tackled the guy, he can't throttle her in self defense."
In the video, she says the father dragged her off the boy. The father got physical. It can be hard for a man to defend against an attack from a woman. A woman grabs you around the waist: What are you going to do? Punch her in the face? Who gets arrested then? What does a black man in NYC think he ought to do if a woman grabs him around the waist and knocks him to the ground? Probably not slug her and throw her against the wall!
A closer viewing of the segment seems to show CBS edited out a longer rant by Gayle King just before the girl puts her hand out and says "Alright Gayle, enough."
"Her problem is she isn't as hot as she thinks."
She was styled for the camera on CBS.
I note that the most important detail is omitted from the story: is Ms. Ponsetto Republican or Democrat.
Technically speaking, it was the crime of assault. But every crime is not prosecuted. And after latching the video, I learn that NYC cops flew to CA to arrest this young woman for assault. How many arrests during the BLM riots?
We have two justice systems now.
As to my first comment, I was thinking about football.
Here's how she looks in the style of makeup young women use these days to project beauty. You're used to it now, so it's what you expect. I look forward to the future when we will look back on these pictures and laugh at the horrendous heavy makeup young people used in the bad old days.
Patrick said...Simply being in NYC and missing anything is reason enough to suspect your property has been stolen.
If you’ve actually lived in NYC, I might laugh at your joke. But I don’t think you have and, while you might be exaggerating your true opinion, I don’t think you’re joking. So I’ll just say you're wrong and leave it at that.
This story would have "garnered" so much more attention — and, of course, "consternation" — if only Ms. Ponsetto had been white
I saw a comment within the last month that made the point there are only 2 racial designations. Black, and NOT Black.
Practice using that prism as you attempt to frame any discussion that race is any portion of the equation. All the experts doing the constant parsing of POC is meaningless. It truely comes down Black, everyone else.
How does a 22-year-old woman acquire that orientation in the world?
I'm guessing experience, but would need to know more about her background. Not everyone grows up in a safe space.
I watched some of Gayle King on Election Night. She’s a hardcore identity politics Leftist,
Don't get caught up in the use of the term "SoHo Karen." That obscures the fact that she is not a white woman. It's not part of a pattern! Not that pattern anyway. Look for a different pattern.
Accusing someone of a crime, without any evidence and then continuing to insist on it, like a petulant child, after you are proven wrong, is a totally toxic and destructive act.
Kind like Russian collusion I guess?
How does a 22-year-old woman acquire that orientation in the world?
Because America is very good as mass production and what we're currently producing in vast quantities is a lot of narcissists who are at best mediocre thinkers.
I did not click on the NYT link, but hopefully the pointed out what I've seen in a couple of other reports; an Uber driver showed up with her phone a few minutes after this occurred. Apparently she had left it in the back of his car. God forbid that that thought might have crossed her mind or that she might have taken the care to make sure she had her phone before she got out of the Uber.
No, we can't have that! It might lead her to feel bad or have some doubts about herself.
Here's a picture of the father and son, presented to overcome whatever stereotype you might conjure up without specificity.
was yet another example of Black people in America being confronted with baseless accusations while simply going about their lives.
Does the NYT think White people in America are not confronted with baseless accusations while simply going about their business?
This article could incite people.
NYC cops flew to CA to arrest this young woman for assault
Holy shit.
We have two justice systems now.
Biden pointed that out after the police shot and killed the unarmed female Air Force veteran who wasn't threatening anyone.
Is her family wealthy? She acts like her family is wealthy.
Rick Moranis was punched in NYC while simply going about his business. Sure, that got play in the media too. But not of the "White people getting confronted while simply going about their business" variety.
Blogger Ann Althouse said...Don't get caught up in the use of the term "SoHo Karen." That obscures the fact that she is not a white woman. It's not part of a pattern!
The key point about the Karen seems to have been lost entirely anyway—the thing the Karen is upset about is a real thing, just blown out of proportion. The person they’re upset at IS doing something wrong, it’s just something most people would see as not a big deal.
Ann Althouse said...
I look forward to the future when we will look back on these pictures and laugh at the horrendous heavy makeup young people used in the bad old days.
I certainly do not have an eye for these things, but the only makeup I see in that picture exaggerating her look is the lipstick.
And that's because of her full, natural lips that many women literally destroy their faces attempting to replicate with injections.
crazy pussy role - latina version
Kid has the retarded expression
"The person they’re upset at IS doing something wrong, it’s just something most people would see as not a big deal."
Could you make your pronouns more definite? I can't figure out what you're trying to say here.
Agree - My guess the wheels of this justice were put in place when the NY Powers thought she was White.
The initial reporting did not mention her race. I had a hard time finding it during the time of the initial 2 minutes of hate on her. I thought she was 100% Latino, I’m surprised at the Vietnamese.
>We have two justice systems now.
"In reality blacks commit most violent crimes in the US and most of their victims are also black."
This is true but also misses a massive issue.
So let's say you are white or Asian. Who is most likely to kill you? Well ignoring big wars, like World War II, the most dangerous group is going to be your family. And that's true for everyone.
Ok. So ignoring wars and your family, who is most likely to kill you?
Well, if you are white, it's a black person. And if you are Chinese, it's a black person. It's not like black violence is only directed at black people. To the contrary, for other groups, black violence is a major, major problem.
And this was empirically demonstrated on YouTube a while back. There was a time when people could freely post videos of people assaulting other people. And what did that random sample reveal?
What it reveals is a remarkable correlation with race.
So what do we do with that reality? Is it racist to know that this happens? Apparently it is.
And it is in this sense that this video we are seeing here today is a lie. It's a massive lie. And it's not that this thing didn't happen.
But the same process that is selecting out this for you to view is at the same time preventing you from knowing about thousands upon thousands of violent acts being committed by people that might have been just as entertaining or interesting and that we would have had an equal chance of seeing, if the media wasn't so profoundly and almost impossibly racist.
How does a 22-year-old woman acquire that orientation in the world?
Her mom, maybe. Vietnamese women are tough. Puerto Rican women, too.
Combine Vietnamese and Puerto Rican toughness and you better get out of the way of those women.
White privilege takes Karens a long way, but doesn't hold up over time.
Yeah, rarely works out well when AA posts on race.
I’m going to repent and change my mind. I’m sure she feels like a caged animal, the way the press and the Twitter and Facebook public has turned on her. She probably didn’t want anything to do with the level off negative attention she ended up getting. She made a mistake, but she’s learning in a very painful way (even from King) that forgiveness of some sins is not easily granted these days and that mercy is in short supply in our times.
Althouse Here's how she looks in the style of makeup young women use these days to project beauty. You're used to it now, so it's what you expect. I look forward to the future when we will look back on these pictures and laugh at the horrendous heavy makeup young people used in the bad old days.
She doesn't look 'that' heavily made up compared to some young women in today's fashion. I think it is the extra heavy eyebrows that seem to be popular and which I find really quite ugly.
Yes...someday people will look back and laugh...JUST as we look back and laugh at Gloria Swanson's plucked and penciled on eyebrows and spidery eye lashes. OR Twiggy's 1960's look with the drawn on eyelashes and chalk white lips. What is in fashion now will always look weird and laughable later....UNTIL it comes back into fashion again like an ugly boomerang. (I look back and laugh at my 1960's self)
BACK TO THE STORY
It is really confusing because...WHO are these people? Why is she tracked down across the country for this instead of just being cited and told to appear in court? She seems crazy.
The Jazz Musician seems to be someone who is 'entitled' or special and/or rich. Do we think that anyone else, black, in NYC, mistakenly accused of the same thing etc....would have NYC police expending the resources to travel to California to make an arrest. "I" don't think so. It would be just another ho hum case of mistaken identity. So sad...too bad.
Rick Moranis was punched in NYC while simply going about his business.
According to the fakenews, that assailant was just a random Manhattan resident, but he definitely wasn't black or anything like that, he was just wearing black pants.
Paco Wové said...
"The person they’re upset at IS doing something wrong, it’s just something most people would see as not a big deal."
Could you make your pronouns more definite? I can't figure out what you're trying to say here.
“They” as non-gender specific third-person singular is like the spilt infinitive. It is standard English. It’s been standard English for centuries, but for a brief period in the 20th century when linguistic busybodies tried to convince everyone it isn’t.
I used “they” because there is no reason why “Karen” has to refer only to women.
"I think it is the extra heavy eyebrows that seem to be popular and which I find really quite ugly."
@ tcrosse
EXACTLY. Ugly. :-)
Beauty is (of course) always in the eye of the beholder. And subject to cultural pressure. The "height" of fashion
This article could incite people.
BLM and their rioting and looting are based on similar anecdotes.
Dad rants about daughter's eyebrows Scottish...bear with him on the accent. Hilarious. Trust me.
Semi permanent is an oximoron!!
The 14 year old boy’s jazz musician father— Keyon Harold —went all out and joined the outrage race hustle.
He hired Benjamin Crump and called a press conference to demand racial justice.
The kid’s mother said she feared for her son’s life during the attack and he is now in therapy for PTSD.
How a 14 year old male acquires that orientation in the world.
How does a 22-year-old woman acquire that orientation in the world? I'll hypothesize that it has something to do with the self-image "super sweet.
I will hypothesize that it has something to do with life experience of being a non-Black person in this horribly racist world.
Different subject:
My wife says that the HS girls in her Art classes go way overboard on the makeup, false eyelashes, etc. It looks cartoonish to her. They also dress like cheap hookers.
The NY Post story of today does not mention her race.
‘Soho Karen’ Miya Ponsetto returns to NYC to face charges
What does a black man in NYC think he ought to do if a woman grabs him around the waist and knocks him to the ground? Probably not slug her and throw her against the wall!
In this case it was his kid who was being attacked. That changes the equation. The instincts of most parents would be to stop an attack on their kid.
I'm going to point out the obvious, Puerto Ricans and Vietnamese people can be and often are racists against blacks. And she definitely comes off as someone who has a hard time understanding social cues.
Ok. So ignoring wars and your family, who is most likely to kill you?
Well, if you are white, it's a black person. And if you are Chinese, it's a black person. It's not like black violence is only directed at black people.
I was making the point that, contrary to the fakenews and their atypical anecdotes, blacks really aren't victimized by non-blacks.
Statistically, a black guy is 15 to 20 more likely to kill a white guy than vice-versa; a black is 270 times more likely to assault an Asian than be assaulted by an Asian. And to top it off, about 75% of both serial killers and mass-shooters are black (and in both cases, most of their victims are black).
"I'm not letting him walk away with my phone"
that is what gayle is saying is crazy?
If this woman thought that guy had her phone, that's what she thought.
Is this part of the new crackdown on terror?
I was hoping we could get some real arsonist brownshrits first.
If I was advising her I would tell her to not get interviewed. Gayle King is not going to absolve her. King's job is to let her talk so they can get enough footage to hang her with. She's screwed whatever she does, because she looks white. Which means, in effect, that she is white and she acted like an ass towards a black person and it was videoed. She should have issued an abject apology and claimed she has PTSD because an evil Republican raped her.
As an early 70s resident of NYC, I probably witnessed similar SOHO confrontations from my taxi window on the way to the printer's.
NYC police knew better than to intervene in PR-Black squabbles about territory/personal property. Plus ca change....
How much do you want to bet that Miya Ponsetto is a woke young woman who would have been out screaming at Lindsey Graham or Donald Trump for all the uncool, unwoke beliefs these gentleman hold?
This was simple assault, misdemeanor. No weapon, just wrestling Keyon Harrold, Jr. to the ground. Why did the NYC send out two officers instead just sending the warrant to the LAPD and having them execute it. They could have even talked to Ms. Ponsetto's Lawyer and arrange her surrender. Sending out the cops is more dramatic and shows that the NYPD is on the job and is super woke. Now they have to extradite her to NYC for a misdemeanor, while gangs of teenagers are assaulting random drivers. It's a good bet that said teenagers won't be prosecuted if they were even caught because the NYDA is also super woke and won't punish those yout's.
@robother
There does seem to be a perception among many on the left that blacks and Hispanics are natural allies. My experiences in the army lead me to believe that isn't true.
If this girl tackled a white dude, we would not be hearing about it.
The girl thought - for whatever reason - I do not know- that guy TOOK her phone.
I might consider tackling someone for that - esp if the person was attempting to flee.
Yeah - a stupid mistake if wrong, but she merely tackled him. She didn't beat him up. A stupid mistake if he didn't have the phone - but sometimes stress messes with the mind.
Gayle is somewhat dishonest in her portrayal. Nothing new. Most media hacks are dishonest for the purpose of narrative. (We have all seen much crazier than that)
or
SHE'S A WHITE RACIST PRINCESS! She must pay with her LIFE!
The larger mistake is letting the media use her as a punching bag.
By the way, if you search on youtube you can find some performances by the father. I'm not into jazz, but he does seem to be a really good trumpet player. Which I guess they will have to rename since you can't spell trumpet with out trump.
This woman is George Zimmerman white.On 1/3/21 the NYPost noted that police described her as white, while she identified as Puerto Rican.The story was front paged by media because they believed she was white.Now that she has announced her actual heritage -it's too late.The media is far too invested in the story to drop it. So she will continue to be given the racist white woman treatment - can't have facts interfere with the media narrative.
To sum it up, her parents are from ethnic groups that blacks don't like (sometimes for good reasons) and she looks white and she was videoed accusing a black of committing a crime. She's screwed.
I have no doubt the NYC Mayor ordered this woman arrested.
Also, Rita Moreno is Puerto Rican and she is, by any rational definition, white. They darkened her skin for the movie West Side Story. But if you didn't know anything about her and saw this picture:
https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a26432578/rita-moreno-one-day-at-a-time-interview/
Would you think, "she must be Hispanic." When you look for jobs and you have to identify your ethnicity the white checkbox has "non-hispanic" next to it.
Stealing a young person's phone is akin to stealing their soul.
Just, uh...something to put in your tool box.
She clearly believed the boy took her phone- is this a prosecution that really needs to go forward? Isn't there a plea to made here for simple assault and a probationary sentence? As far as I can tell the boy was unharmed, but I haven't read all the details of the event.
We have found a witch! May we burn her?
And, yes, if she had tackled some white kid, no one would give a shit, especially not Gayle King.
I just read that Ponsetto and her mother were arrested TOGETHER for public intoxication in February 2019. So to those wondering how she ended up like this - now you know.
"Hey, check out this super sweet phone I just got." - The guy who stole her phone.
I'm not up on the latest doings in NYC criminal courts, but if they overcharged her, maybe it's to get around the new "no bail" law and rules that have courts releasing prisoners for most crimes shortly after arrest. Would be super embarrassing to send cops out to LA, extradite her, charge her and then let her walk in the same hearing.
She's en entitled seeming brat, the assaulted kid is turning out to be an opportunistic and vindictive little shit, and both seem to have brought in questionable legal representation. The only thing missing is a Tom Wolfe byline.
Not to pile on, but she also violated social distancing.
Yancey Ward said...And, yes, if she had tackled some white kid, no one would give a shit, especially not Gayle King.
Well, of course not. We must continue to flack the "Blacks are victims of racism" narrative.
Ron Winkleheimer said...There does seem to be a perception among many on the left that blacks and Hispanics are natural allies. My experiences in the army lead me to believe that isn't true.
Ron. I respect your opinion. However, your experiences in the Army are with a very select group of men/and women who are not in the normal social setting.
My experiences growing up in California and being around many Hispanics, Asians(mostly Japanese and Chinese) and Blacks in school, work, in the cities...is that...in general, Hispanics etc resent Blacks and do not like them.
It may be because they see Blacks as getting and taking advantage of their "special" status as being Blacks/slavery etc etc etc....while they (Hispanics, Asians) are on the receiving end of prejudice, without all getting the "white guilt" perks.
Resentment over the unequal treatment..PLUS also being on the receiving end of the criminal elements in the black community without any justice from the 'establishment'
The stereotype of enmity between Hispanics and Asians against Blacks is true...in my experience and observation.
Re that birdwatcher story: I'm sure there's more to that story than has been reported, even though the lady lost her job and reputation already and it's out of the news. NYC birdwatchers are an often ornery crew. They tend to hate dogs and children, for example, which is inconvenient since the best bird-watching spots in the city are usually found in places favored also by dogs and their owners and people with their children (parks and nature preserves). I've had some unpleasantness with birdwatchers, including minority birdwatchers, over noise emanating from my children running and playing along paths. The guy in the story with the crazy lady dog owner said in his own FB post that he carries dog treats and entices unleashed dogs with them to teach dog owners a lesson about leashing their dogs. I see the logic, and rules say you're supposed to leash your dog in most parks, but in most parks there's also a gentleman's agreement that before, say, 9am dogs get the run of parks. That also happens to be prime bird-watching time for certain birds at certain times of year, so this conflict is as inevitable as it is ridiculous.
Posit her as a woman of color. She tackles a white kid and goes back to California. The police then follow her out to California and arrest her for that tackle. This story would become Les Miserables. Why are they going to such lengths to punish and persecute this poor woman of color for what was a momentary lapse of judgment......There's a lot of privilege on display. The poor and oppressed of the world do not stay at boutique Soho hotels. Money is the sincerest form of privilege, but, if you're a wealthy person of color, you get to not just flaunt it like Marie Antoinette but also to feel as downtrodden as Madame LaFarge. The best of both worlds. A way of eating cake that burns more calories than it consumes....Sadly, this privilege of oppression only extends to being oppressed by white people. She just lost her women of color card.
Yes William, the setting is crucial: this is all going down not on the Bronx side of the Triboro, excuse me RFK, bridge, but in post-gentrified, totally Rodeo Driven Soho in a fancy boutique hotel. The Bonfire of the Vanities in 2020 no longer even requires somebody pretending to be among the downtrodden.
Defund the Police!
Except when we need to burn a witch for the crime of... tackling the wrong dude.
I notice that she feels it excuses any bad behavior to say her phone was lost. As if she suddenly found herself alone in a gray, featureless space with phantoms drifting by. Then suddenly, THERE IS HER PHONE. Of course, she grabs for it. That's one thing. But it's not working as an excuse for what happened. I can't believe a 22-year-old woman is so lost that, even in the dread moments when she has no phone, she thinks she can just grab passing strangers and make accusations. And, later, she should have been covered with shame and gasping out apologies. Instead, underneath, she still thought she was right because she thought that anyone might have thought that that passing boy had stolen the phone because he was black. And I think Gayle King exploited her lack of self-awareness and brought out her attitudes very clearly, and was able to do so because Gayle King was aware while, again, and for the same reason, this fool wasn't able to see who she was looking at.
@DBQ
You misunderstood me, my experience was that blacks and Hispanics don't get along. I joined the army not to many years after there were race riots in barracks.
This sounds like a great case for "restorative" justice. /snarc.
Latinos really don't like the Blacks.
Hard to see how the lawyer here didn’t breach his duties of confidentiality and loyalty — except in the unlikely event that the client authorized the statement. Of course I was surprised that more people didn’t think it was wrong for Michael Cohen to secretly tape conversations with a client and reveal the contents (I know, “Orange man bad” excuses all sins”. Maybe rules for lawyers are just different in NYC.
@ Ron...my bad. I didn't get what you were saying.
Sounds like we agree.
She wears those yoga pants well.
Did her phone ever turn up?
This story is all about the narrative. If the story was headlined "Crazy woman tackles much larger teenager," we wouldn't have to be bothered by it.
I noticed Gayle King constantly referred to the teenager who is larger than Ponsetto as "little" and "boy." Once again, the demand for racism exceeds the supply. When will the media start to refer to her as a white-Puerto Rican?
Yancey Ward said...
And, yes, if she had tackled some white kid, no one would give a shit, especially not Gayle King.
No, I think Gayle King would have been lionizing her as a hero in that case.
I guess I just don't understand why this is a national story. Geez.
I think an important part about this story involves some people's relationships with their smart phones. Smart phones are expensive and, for many, they are highly addictive. Imagine if a drug addict had misplaced 4 or 5 hundred dollars of their drug and mistakenly thought that a teenaged kid had taken it and was walking out the door. I think we would have seen a similar reaction.
A White Hispanic, per chance White Asian. The ambiguous privilege. It was so much easier when it was Jew privilege and everyone would obediently kneel under threats of abortion/cancellation or penalty of social progress. Diversity breeds adversity.
“ How does a 22-year-old woman acquire that orientation in the world?”
Diversity [dogma] (i.e. color judgment) that denies individual dignity, individual conscience, intrinsic value, normalizes color blocs, color quotas, and affirmative discrimination progresses bigotry.
In the father-and-son photo that was posted, is that the father with the strange white wormy things growing out of his skull? If so, I think he has bigger worries than this minor incident. I think his head has been taken over by space aliens.
affirmative discrimination progresses bigotry.
Political congruence (e.g. set asides) only exacerbates the corruption.
She didn't "falsely" accuse him. She (apparently) legitimately thought he took her phone. Falsely would mean she knew he didn't take it but accused him anyway. She was wrong. So she wrongly accused him.
Remember back when we didn't have to hear about the poor, poor blacks every single day? And weren't expected to be collectively outrageously outraged about whatever unfortunate thing happened to one of them that particular day? 328 million people in this country and I'm supposed to get all verklempt over these few? Fuck off.
Shit happens to innocent people every day for a million different reasons. F'ng deal with it and stop all this navel-gazing nonsense.
Judge Zuckerberg: Where is the Tik Tok video of the assault?
Judge Jack: Lawyer for the defendant please have your client apply the correct SnapChat filter to her King video.
This is a gift that just keeps on giving.
Love it!
vicki from Pasadena
Re: gspencer:
Remove from crime stats the crimes committed by the notorious "youths" found in the 13% and America looks as safe as Europe ever was in its pre-Muslim days.
Pretty sure this is inaccurate. In 2018, there were approximately 15,500 homicides in the US, for a per capita rate of 5 per 100,000. The
FBI statistics for 2018 don't capture the full 15k, but within their sample of 6,570 single victim/offender homicides, 3,011 were perpetrated by Whites (923 by Hispanics of various races). Let's assume -- inaccurately but for purposes of illustration -- that all 923 Hispanics were categorised as White, i.e. 2,088 of 6,570 homicides or 32% were committed by Whites. Extrapolate that across all homicides and you'd get a rate of 5 x 32% = 1.6 / 100,000. That's an underestimate of the Whites-only US homicide rate, but it's still higher than the total murder rate of current "diverse" European populations, e.g. France (1.2), the UK (1.2), Germany (0.95), Austria (0.97), Spain (0.62), Portugal (0.79), or Sweden (1.08). Slightly lower than Belgium (1.7), though.
On the flip side, if we tried to back out just Black perpetrated homicides, we get 3,177 out of 6,570, or 48%. So rather than 5 per 100k, we'd have 5 x 52% = 2.6 / 100k, putting us substantially higher than Western Europe.
Anyhow, high US violent crime rates are not solely a function of Black crime. Our Whites are more violent than the Western European norm too.
Mistake of fact vitiates the affirmative defense of Recapture of Chattels:
If a person mistakenly believes that his property has been stolen, he cannot claim this defense based on a mistake of the facts.
Reasonable force may be used to recapture a chattel (e.g., personal property), but only when an individual is in “hot pursuit” of someone who has wrongfully obtained possession of the property, such as by theft. If the other individual received the item lawfully, however, then one can only use peaceful means to recover the chattel and will not be allowed to use this defense.
Rabel said...She wears those yoga pants well.
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Mind the gap. Probably factors into her "orientation".
Look for a different pattern.
The Tiger Woods pattern? Not to be confused with the Bruce Exotic pattern.
Maybe she's like Aubrey Plaza. Socially awkward, but without the skills to flip it into an asset.
Perhaps, unlike many commenters, the young woman could not afford to let a thief walk away with her phone. Many here would simply buy another phone within the hour. Others here would defiantly tackle a perceived thief in order to reclaim their property.
The woman's only problem was mistaking the kid for a thief.
Re-reading Bonfire.
Ya got the educated people who insist on being called Doctor, like Dr. Jill.
Ya got the black activist calling for extreme action.
Ya got the girl with brown lipstick.
Ya got the media inflaming situation.
It's a good book, but Tom Wolfe was insufficiently cynical to truly capture the comedy and tragedy of our vanities. Or we've gotten even more ridiculous in the 30 or so years since he wrote it.
"How does a 22-year-old woman acquire that orientation in the world?"
By growing up in it?
Shit happens to innocent people every day for a million different reasons. F'ng deal with it and stop all this navel-gazing nonsense.
Yes, she was mistaken. She should apologize. That's it.
Anyhow, high US violent crime rates are not solely a function of Black crime. Our Whites are more violent than the Western European norm too.
The context is local, often communities.
Why is this a national news story? It’s nothing.
I blame the lizard people.
She may as well just kill herself now, as she has no future. Her mug shot and offense will be on Google till the end of time.
No school is gonna accept her, no employer will hire her.
Maybe some black guy who wants a white girl but can't attract one will lower his standards and take her in.
Balfegor,
That is a misleading characterization of the situation, at least when you're comparing to the UK.
Instead, the situation is that the US is more homicidal than Britain, but the latter has a far higher rate of assault. Furthermore, up until very recently, the US homicide rate was higher than the UK's, but it was falling, whereas the UK's assault rate was higher than the US and steadily rising.
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