October 24, 2020

"Insisting that the Hunter Biden laptop is fake is a trap. So is insisting that it’s real."

A WaPo headline that made me laugh. I am a little desperate for laughs, but still. I laughed. This is a column by Thomas Rid, who wrote "Active Measures: The Secret History of Disinformation and Political Warfare" and a professor of strategic studies at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies. Excerpt: 
[I]n the likely continued absence of certainty either way, the Biden leaks deserve the full potential-disinformation treatment. This means three concrete things. First, every individual little fact — every email, every text, every photo — must be independently verified when data is surfaced in such a suspicious way, not just one piece of information. Genuine photos, for example, could be there simply to add credibility to forged emails surfaced along with the photos — shielding a few forgeries with genuine content would be a time-tested active measures tactic. 
Second, the absence of a denial by the Biden campaign or Hunter himself should not be treated as a tacit admission of authenticity. Mixing facts with forgeries has another time-tested effect: It sets a trap for the victim. If Hunter or the Biden campaign started selectively denying pieces of the reporting ostensibly from the laptop, they would give oxygen to the operation, extend its life-cycle and get entangled in a losing battle about discussing what’s fact and what’s not....

This second point is a response to something I said yesterday: "If they're not real, Biden would strongly, clearly assert that the emails are fake. What reason could there be to fail to make a clear assertion? I think the answer is that he knows it's an assertion that can be proven false, leaving him plainly exposed as an outrageous liar."

Rid's third point is:  "[W]e must resist the temptation to jump to premature conclusions on 'a Russian plant' without good evidence — 'classic earmarks' are not nearly enough. The Mac Shop story, and even the files, could still be genuine, no matter how unusual the setup sounds.... If we continue to ascribe too much power and influence to shadowy foreign spies, downplay our own agency and blame our domestic political problems on outside interference, then we are not only behaving like the old-school Soviet active measures playbook wants us to behave — worse, we’re becoming a little more like Russia ourselves."

173 comments:

Ken B said...

Of course they are real. Althouse is right and this is article is like Scott Adams and his 4 dimensional chess, and how down is really up: “Trump losing just sets up Don Jr for 2024, genius!”

Big Mike said...

Second, the absence of a denial by the Biden campaign or Hunter himself should not be treated as a tacit admission of authenticity.

Actually, yes it should. Moreover, a third party who received some of that Email traffic has authenticated it.

DEEBEE said...

And Tony Bobulinski is a holographic images whose meta data needs to be checked before assuming his humanity.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Well at least the guy is consistent. He wrote skeptically about the Steele dossier and published it in the WaPo.

Hahahahahah. Just kidding.

wendybar said...

They will say anything to keep their readers uninformed...You can't control the narrative if you don't lie and get people angry...and knowing their readership is all Progressive, that's who it is aimed at. They don't WANT you to know the truth, because then you will realize they've been lying to you for years.

RoseAnne said...

I don't object to what this individual says. In fact, I just spent nearly 4 years wishing the same criteria had been applied to the accusations against Trump.

Lurker21 said...


Obviously, it's possible that something fake is mixed in with what's authentic, but isn't it clear by now that the laptop is real and that it was really Hunter Biden's? The Biden camp's refusal to deny that is telling. Now it's up to Team Biden and the people coming out with the new Russia hoax now, to prove their case for forgery, if they can.

I'm Full of Soup said...

So the WaPo is finally acknowledging the existence of the laptop?

Achilles said...

This is all so stupid.

The emails are obviously genuine for a variety of reasons.

This article was written in a publication that bleated about Russian Collusion and supported impeaching Trump for the things Biden is on video and record doing.

The words came from Biden's mouth.

You can no longer claim stupidity.

You are evil if you vote for democrats.

You are a coward if you abstain.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

Reminds me of the Left’s love of crying “whataboutism”. How dare you question our hypocrisy!

narciso said...

from the people who pushed the dossier and crowdstrike, the last came from a suspected russian source, lol.

Lance said...

The cybersecurity research community immediately knew, with a good degree of confidence, what was going on in 2016, literally on the day the Democratic National Committee hack, and then the first leaks resulting from it, became public.

This is not true. There are still strong disagreements over whether the DNC hack was a Russian op. Democrats and their security allies say it is, everyone else says we don't know who was behind it.

Also the author says we had good forensic evidence of the DNC hack. This is also not true. The security company kept the server, did not share it with anyone else, and ultimately destroyed it.

jnseward said...

Likewise, how can we be sure it's not a Martian plot to soften us up before the invasion?

Sebastian said...

"Insisting that the Hunter Biden laptop is fake is a trap. So is insisting that it’s real."

Methinks we have here a case of motivated reasoning.

So, progs, suppose, as you do not want to acknowledge yet, that the Biden family did benefit from deals with Ukrainians, Russians, and Chinese, and that Joe was at least aware, does that constitute corruption to you and discredit Joe in any way?

Right. Didn't think so. So why waste words?

Joe Smith said...

Use common sense.

It had not been denied.

The 'Russians' would have to have set this up almost a year ago.

Other people received the emails and have maintained that they are real.

I'm kind of surprised nobody has asked the FBI if they've checked the laptop for fingerprints or DNA (if you know what I mean).

If it walks like a duck...

rcocean said...

What can you say? Biden is corrupt, he's a plagiarist, and he's a liar. He told at least 6 BIG lies during the last debate alone. Not just the usual lies about Trump, but lies about his own actions and positions. It'd be nice if the sainted "Moderates" and "independents" cared, but only seem to care when the MSM cares. Otherwise, they're happy as clams about corruption, lies, and incompetence.

Never have I seen the Press, Social Media, and the Entertainment Industry so filled with hate at the President of the United States. Their behavior has been disgusting. And we now learned today that Obama's FBI and GSA was keeping records on Trump's transition team that were NOT supposed to be kept. These records were then unethically handed over to Mueller. But it looks like every corrupt member of Obama's FBI/CIA/DOJ will skate.

Rick said...

Where were these people during the Steele Dossier hysteria? It's revealing these standards are only produced to defend Dems or other leftists.

Yancey Ward said...

What I would say to Rid is this- "Now do the Steele Dossier, you dumb shit."

Compare the two situations- we literally have people on record, under their own fucking names, verifying the individual e-mails that the NYPost has published- people who literally received the same e-mails at the time. We have the shopowner's story, told by himself, not some anonymous "source familiar with the story". In the case of the Steele Dossier, WaPo and all the other had nothing that verified those "facts"- literally fucking nothing. The FBI, in January of 2017, two weeks before Trump was even the President, had testimony from Steele's main source that the Dossier was a bunch of nonsense that wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. There aren't two realities really playing here- there is just honesty and dishonesty at this point. The media are just playing dumb now, and Rid more or less acknowledges this in what he doesn't write.

Mr. D said...

Schrödinger's laptop.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Cutting off the oxygen from the story is what the hack press are doing. Thanks for your clarification, Wapoo(D)

NCMoss said...

Admiral Ackbar concurs.

DavidUW said...

Cuz the guy who left his crack pipe in a rental car would never ever forget his laptop (one of his laptops) anywhere. sure.

Now explain Bobulinski and the other guy who both confirmed and gave evidence of their email and text interactions with Hunter supporting everything in the laptop.

But russia. God these people are idiots. and think sadly perhaps correctly that the rest of the country is even dumber than they are.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

What a great set of rules to impose AFTER the media’s Russia Russia Russia three-year participation in a Russian disinformation campaign.

Dude1394 said...

How is that “independent” inquiry promised by Facebook going anyway? That was their reason for the throttling, have they made any progress or was that just more ( I’m pretty sure I know what my opinion is ) crap from the democrat propagandists.

Mid-Life Lawyer said...

Everytime a progressive/DEM presents something as 50-50, it is a slam dunk argument on the conservative/GOP side.

Kathryn51 said...

Behind a paywall, so couldn't read the entire piece, but wondering. . . . .did author make any mention of Mr. Bobulinski. He does appear to have copies of the very emails in question. As part of email chains. And there are text messages.

But . . . . they all might be forgeries???

2016 wasn't about "forgeries". It was about a slimy Brit who hated Trump and willingly, nay eagerly colluded with Russian operatives feeding him disinformation.

But. . . ow it's "forgeries". Email forgeries. Text msg forgeries.

Unknown said...

If Biden were to win, would this story die or would the Democrats start pushing it as a pretext to remove Biden from office and replace him with Harris?

Richard Dolan said...

Amazing that the WaPo (and Team Dem more generally) can't see the damage they are doing to themselves, even with the true believers, as each day brings more emails, testimonials and the like, disproving to a fair-thee-well the idea that the Russians had loaded up Hunter's laptop with fake emails. While WaPo was publishing this exercise in wishful thinking, the WSJ published Strassel's long take-down of the Biden's China caper. Not hard to predict which will age better.

The WaPo's efforts are even more insanely self-destructive because the flood of revelations all serve to prove what's been completely obvious for a long time: the Bidens, like the Clintons before them, were not going to let their shot at raking in huge amounts of money go to waste. Hunter and Brother Jim were just the fronts; what they were selling was the Big Guy (because that's all they had to sell -- Hunter and Jim had nothing else anyone was remotely interested in).

For a team that impeached Trump because of a phone call, can't the Dems see where this is leading, since it isn't going away and the focus on all of it will become much more intense if Biden wins. If they think they will be able to squelch it, that idea is so last century.

Mike Sylwester said...

Democracy Dies in Darkness!

BUMBLE BEE said...

You mean like "collusion"? Who would try such a scheme? Tune in next week for...

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

The WaPoo has been pushing "Russia, Russia, Russia!" for so long that they can't see the start of their fairy tail was Hillary's Hoax. Obama promoted it along with the rest of the "intelligence community" and the alphabet-soup networks plus the NYT. Now they're trying to create a new Schrodinger's Cat story: The emails are true and false at the same time. They'll only collapse into a true state when the Bidengaffer comes out of his basement. When that happens, Trump will have won the election, the Bidengaffer and his scuzzy son will have been indicted on bribery charges. Kamala will be back in the Senate trying to sell her office to the highest bidder.

TreeJoe said...

You mean the American small business owner who lives in Bidens area and is identified is a Russian plant ?

The American ceo who worked with the Bidens for years and verified and provided his own supporting evidence is a Russian plant ?

The lack of denial by the Bidens is not a form of evidence?

The denial by the FBI of any evidence this is from Russia is not a form of evidence?

I mean. Wow. This is what happens when you decide to make the facts fit the story.

D.D. Driver said...

Trying to be as objective as possible, there is so much of this story that is fishy, but there is plenty of indicia that the emails (or at least some of them) are genuine.

I don't believe Giuliani for a second, but Hunter's business partners sound pissed he cut them out. Isn't it possible that one of them set Hunter up?

Mike Sylwester said...

Keep in mind that Russian Intelligence placed advertisements on Facebook. For example, Russian Intelligence placed an advertisement that showed Satan arm-wrestling Jesus.

The purpose of the ads was to cause Americans to lose their faith in our Democracy and to vote against Hillary Clinton.

Donald Trump's campaign manager had provided insider polling data that revealed to Russian Intelligence that some US states were so-called "battleground states" in the election. Russian Intelligence then placed those ads particularly for the Facebook users in those "battleground states".

Secret communications were carried back and forth between the Kremlin and Trump Tower by Trump's foreign-policy advisor Carter Page. As a reward for that service, Carter Page was promised 40% of Russia's petroleum industry.

Another foreign-policy advisor, Michael Flynn, was paid to attend a Moscow banquet celebrating an anniversary of the RT cable-television network in December 2015. Flynn, Vladimir Putin and Green Party candidate Jill Stein sat at the same banquet table.

Another foreign-policy advisor, George Papadopoulos met with Joseph Mifsud, a secret agent of Russian Intelligence. Mifsud revealed to Papadopoulos that Russian Intelligence had hacked Hillary Clinton's computer and would provide stolen e-mails to the Trump campaign, in order to help Trump defeat Clinton in the Presidential election.

Now the Russian interference in our election is happening again, with Hunter Biden's supposed laptop. Fifty former officials of our US Intelligence Community warn that this story about Hunter Biden is Russian disinformation.

Putin again is trying to make Americans lose faith in our Democracy and thus to vote against the Democrat candidates in our election.

Wake up, sheeple !!!!

daskol said...

That article is funny on one level, but less funny in the context of understanding it as part of an information operation across intelligence, law enforcement and media allies, the so called deep state swamp, to bury this story. This particular piece of it targets intelligent people, giving them what they need in terms of self deception and talking points to problematics the Biden crime family story in their influential circles.

ConradBibby said...

The fact that the Dems/media are refusing to investigate whether the emails are real is another powerful indication of their authenticity.

D.D. Driver said...

Also, I'd like to hear a clear and forceful denial from Joe: "I did not take bribes from the Chinese with that man---Tony Bobulinski!"

Charlotte Allen said...

Schrodinger's laptop.

daskol said...

What’s worst about the Biden/Harris ticket? The brazen corruption of the principles, and the corruption it reveals of all our civic institutions? Or is the kakistocracy aspect, or maybe the “karentoctacy” bit? It’s so bad on so many levels, it’s hard to choose. I’m still personally stuck on the utter scumminess of the people behind running a demented old man for our highest office.

JCA1 said...

I’m becoming more and more convinced that the Biden’s actions were business as usual in Washington and that’s what drove the desire for the Mueller investigation of Trump. Everyone in Washington just assumed that if you investigated trump long enough, something like this would turn up because everyone is doing it.

Mary Beth said...

I'm trying to figure out a tweet about it: "The laptop itself is not disinformation. But it is part of a Russian disinformation campaign that has been going on for years."

The only "disinformation campaign" is the refusal to report on it. Who need Russians when we have our own media and social media companies trying to manipulate the news?

Bruce Hayden said...

“Second, the absence of a denial by the Biden campaign or Hunter himself should not be treated as a tacit admission of authenticity.”

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Sounds a bit desperate to me. All that Hunter would need to do, if this guy is correct, is say “Never saw that email before, so it couldn’t have been on the laptop”. Giuliani would be shown to have put the whole thing together, if he can’t show that the email or photo was indeed on Hunter’s laptop. Hunter can’t do that, of course, because the emails and the photos were on his laptop. And crying forgery when none exists would be worse than pretending the whole scandal away.

pacwest said...

Delay and obfuscate that sucker. It's our only hope Obi-wan. How stupid do these people think we are? One the one hand, on the other hand. Let's just forget the whole thing.

We have an 8 year VP running for POTUS and there is very clear evidence of him being on the take. Clearer than Hillary if that's even possible. 'But it's just all so complicated'. JHC.

Just spitballing, but has Joe been setup to take the fall for Obama's criminality if he loses?

Unknown said...

Such a smart fellah. I bet it takes hours for him to put together a shopping list.

CWJ said...

I know it's been said here in the comments over and over, but I can't resist saying it. Where was the caution and skepticism anywhere in the MSM for three plus years as they hyped the original Russian collusion hoax in all its hard evidenceless often anonymously sourced glory.

Anyone that touts the ethical and professional weathervane that passes for standards in journalism is shameless. That anyone believes the published product is worse.

traditionalguy said...

This is Talking in circles around the black hole of Propaganda from the CIA heart of darkness. Probably will get him fired.

bagoh20 said...

"Zia Poll surveyed “2851 likely voters and newly registered voters who have never voted in an election”"

"Painter Communications analyzed the poll and told Breitbart News Biden had the support of 46.8 percent of black respondents, while Trump was at 45.7 percent, a difference of just 1.1 percent.

Denise Painter said 44.7 percent of Hispanics back Biden, while 39.4 support Trump."

~ breitbart.com

Trump is worst racist white supremacist in the history of bigotry. He really sucks at it.

effinayright said...

Biden has pledged to end the oil and gas industry in America. He reinforced that point just the other day.

If he succeeded, Russia would be the main beneficiary, as it could charge a helluva lot more for its oil and gas on world markets. Ruussia should be PRAYING for Biden to win.

But no...it's *Trump*---open pursuing American energy independence and bringing down the price of oil and gas--- who is "Putin's Puppet."

Beam me up, Scotty!

Stephen said...

Cruel neutrality is now officially a farce.

Biden's tax returns are public. Trump's are not and Trump has repeatedly and falsely claimed that he is unable to produce them.

The Wall Street Journal fact side reported that no China deal happened and that the deal papers show no role for Biden. Not noted by you. Conversely, it is undisputed that hundreds of folks with business which Trump has power over have paid tens of millions of dollars to businesses that Trump actually owns and monitors. Not noted by you.

Biden denies participating in any such deal. There is literally nothing to the contrary. Even the WSJ opinion piece, at best, if everything said in every email is true, shows that when Biden was out of office Biden's son offered him an opportunity to participate in such a deal and he flat out declined. In the meantime, Trump has a secret bank account in China, and in the debate he flat out lied by saying it had been closed. Not noted by you.

How about it, Althouse. Doesn't cruel neutrality require neutral evaluation of the evidence?

I conclude that you don't pursue neutrality because you know it would require you to say things--or to cast a vote--that your overwhelmingly right wing readers and, perhaps more important, linkers, would not accept. As DJT might say, "SAD!"

exhelodrvr1 said...

Democracy dies in abstention.

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Ambrose said...

The Steele dossier must be proven false, the Hunter laptop must be proven true, bit by bit.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

Humper's Secret Service records corroborate.

If more info incriminating Biden comes, from China--
... is it still "Russian disinformation"?

"Abstaining" isnt so much 'cowardice' as it is
'taking the ball and going home'

Howard said...

It's all Trump has to run on besides racism and xenophobia.

n.n said...

Russia, no. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

n.n said...

Keep in mind that Russian Intelligence placed advertisements on Facebook. For example, Russian Intelligence placed an advertisement that showed Satan arm-wrestling Jesus.

A hundred thousand dollars worth. So, Dr. Evil.

Carter Page was promised 40% of Russia's petroleum industry.

The Putin Puppet is giving it away, giving it away, giving it all away, now.

That said, Baby-back ribs. Is that politically congruent? Perhaps Fetal-American-back ribs. Fat bastards.

D.D. Driver said...

As I think about it, it's got to be the business partners. Hunter Biden is a lying coked-out conman like Jordan Belfort from the Wolf of Wall Street. He fucked over his business partners, and, as business partners sometimes do, they had some of his old "business" computers lying around. They plant it at the weirdo Mac repair store and then tip off the FBI.

That's the answer, right?

n.n said...

So... witch trials, warlock judgments, diversity, and protests are out? #HateLovesAbortion

mezzrow said...

The part that is most breathtaking is the confident way these people insult our intelligence on a daily basis. They think we have no memory? The overt contempt is palpable, by now overwhelming all other messages. And if we do not comply with their directions, our cities will burn, though in a "mostly peaceful" way? That'll certainly win some hearts and minds.

In the spirit of "evil will doth evil mar" I retain confidence that they will not succeed. Hopefully we will know for certain by year's end. We'll know how far they're willing to go by then.

Bob Smith said...

Pretty clear the FBI was hiding the laptop and the info on it so Biden would beat Trump and they (the FBI) would own Biden. It’s so Hooverish.The sad part? No real reporters, no real newspapers.

Rory said...

The caution about disinformation is disinformation. Precious.

Mikey NTH said...

People, people - this supposex to be a happy occasion, this is o time to be arguing about who bribed who, whether emails are real, and other related hijinks!

Orang Man Bad. Death to the Golden Scalp Weasel.

Readering said...

There was no Russian collusion hoax. Remains to be seen if there is a hoax here.

William said...

The two sure-fire ways to tell if it's Russian disinformation: 1) it's harmful to Democrats....2) it's true. Truly Machiavellian the way the Russians fabricate authentic e-mails regarding Hunter and purport phony pee tapes regarding Trump.....It's a wonder to me how such diabolically clever people ever lost the Cold War

gilbar said...

must be independently verified

it's all much easier to understand once you realize that "must be independently verified"
means independently verified, by the DNC. After all; who else COULD independently verify?
OBEY!

wendybar said...

Trump just played a video at his rally of the Democrat debate. Bernie proved that Joe was going to cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Veterans benefits. It is ALL on tape in Joes words saying that is what he would do....

wendybar said...

And the media will stay silent, because it doesn't fit their agenda.

Breezy said...

Where’s Hunter? The fact he’s in hiding is a tell, as well.

I read somewhere that several MSM folks have regular contact with him... that true?

JPS said...

"First, every individual little fact — every email, every text, every photo — must be independently verified when data is surfaced in such a suspicious way, not just one piece of information."

I'm warmly for that. No matter who we're talking about.

The problem arises when you try your best to prove every individual little fact true – and, failing that, insist they still might be true – for someone you hate; then, when it's someone you support, declare, "We don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories."

Larvell said...

Ah, so the same approach the media took to the Steele Russia claims.

Wilbur said...

The MSM blackout of this story brings to mind a movie - "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" - wherein political strongman Big Jim Taylor (expertly portrayed by Edward Arnold) shuts down the national news outlets from receiving or reporting any information on the Willet Dam scandal. But he ultimately can't silence Mr. Smith.

The movie is alternatively great and mawkish, like most Golden Age movies.

wild chicken said...

"The least curious people in the country right now appear to be the credentialed news media, a situation normally unique to tinpot authoritarian societies."

Matt Taibbi

So I guess Trump IS literally Hitler? Hitler Lite?

Bruce Hayden said...

“Secret communications were carried back and forth between the Kremlin and Trump Tower by Trump's foreign-policy advisor Carter Page. As a reward for that service, Carter Page was promised 40% of Russia's petroleum industry.

“Another foreign-policy advisor, Michael Flynn, was paid to attend a Moscow banquet celebrating an anniversary of the RT cable-television network in December 2015. Flynn, Vladimir Putin and Green Party candidate Jill Stein sat at the same banquet table.

“Another foreign-policy advisor, George Papadopoulos met with Joseph Mifsud, a secret agent of Russian Intelligence. Mifsud revealed to Papadopoulos that Russian Intelligence had hacked Hillary Clinton's computer and would provide stolen e-mails to the Trump campaign, in order to help Trump defeat Clinton in the Presidential election.”

Ha! Ha! Ha! (Again)

#1 and #3 are false. #2 may be accurate but so what?

Yes, Papadopoulis met with Mifsud, but there was never any evidence that he was a Russia asset, and plenty that he was not. He was western, not Russian, intelligence. He taught spycraft at the Link Campus University in Rome where the two met. CIA and FBI agents have attended there, as well as spies from throughout Western Europe. If Mifsud had been A Russian Asset, it likely would have been the biggest breach in western intelligence, at least since the Russians, and esp the Chinese, hacked Crooked Hillary’s illegal private email server between 2009 and 2013, because he knew the identity of a large number of western spies. Also, notable, is that there are photos of Mifsud with both Downer and with Halper (who was being paid by a US IC agency), both of whom figured prominently in SpyGate (thank you QAnons for finding the photos). Papadopoulis was being set up by this trio, with Mifsud setting the hook by telling him that the Russians had Clinton’s emails, and Downer reeling him in by asking about the emails. They were very likely working together. This is just the sort of spy craft taught at Link. Both the four FISA applications and the Mueller Report claimed that Mifsud was a Russian asset, but with no real proof. And, if he turns out to have been western intelligence, as is highly likely, given his career in western intelligence, the entire Trump/Russia Collusion edifice crumbles, leaving the underlying spy craft identifying the CIA as the likely culprit in the setup (no one should be surprised that Gina Haspel, current CIA Director, was head of their London station, where this all was likely orchestrated from, at the time - who better to protect the agency than someone involved up to their eyebrows in the illegal operation). Oh, and it turns out that this was all setup by the Clinton campaign to distract the American public fro her illegal use of her private email server to conduct government business while she was Sec of State.

Carter Page was a CIA asset reporting everything he did to them. He was also reporting to the FBI much of the time, and testifying in court for them as late as March of 2016. He started getting suspicious when the FBI all of a sudden quit accepting his offers to debrief them starting that summer. He very likely couldn’t have been a Russian asset, after having burned at least three of their operatives that year.

As for Gen Flynn, he reported everything he did to the DIA, the intelligence agency he headed until he was fired by Obama for his opposition to his feckless Iranian policy. And, yes, that apparently included that trip where he shared a table with Putin.

Michael K said...

Blogger JCA1 said...
I’m becoming more and more convinced that the Biden’s actions were business as usual in Washington and that’s what drove the desire for the Mueller investigation of Trump. Everyone in Washington just assumed that if you investigated trump long enough, something like this would turn up because everyone is doing it.


I am inclined to agree with this. Everybody in DC is dirty. Trump is the outsider who broke up the crap game. Everybody is mad at him. A few see his power with real people. Half want to get in on it. The other half wants to kill him so things would go back to normal

Rory said...

"they can't see the start of their fairy tail was Hillary's Hoax."

But that arose from the bathroom server, which arose from the Benghazi filmmaker, which arose from the junior varsity....

Mary Beth said...

The purpose of the ads was to cause Americans to lose their faith in our Democracy and to vote against Hillary Clinton.

Faith in Democracy, not loss of faith, is why I didn't vote for Clinton. If I had lost faith, I just wouldn't have voted.

Krumhorn said...

The WashPo and NYT will publish damaging articles using information from “people who know the situation” and every other news platform and broadcaster 5 minutes later will report the story saying that “the NYT reported today that...”. This is a curious time for them to suddenly develop some scuppers.

No, wait!

- Krumhorn

Jersey Fled said...

Sheesh.

Incredible how far the Left will go to maintain the illusion that the world they live in actually exists.

Patrick said...

Mike Sylwester said...

"Keep in mind that Russian Intelligence placed advertisements on Facebook. For example, Russian Intelligence placed an advertisement that showed Satan arm-wrestling Jesus."

Those Russian facebook ads were so dumb they weren't going to persuade anyone, much like the Iranian emails this time around.


"Donald Trump's campaign manager had provided insider polling data that revealed to Russian Intelligence that some US states were so-called "battleground states" in the election. Russian Intelligence then placed those ads particularly for the Facebook users in those "battleground states"."

Good grief. No need to jump through all those tortured hoops to determine battleground states. Just turn on any US cable news network.

I have no doubt Russia hacked the DNC emails in 2016. But how is it disinformation when it is absolutely true? So I really don't care who is behind the laptop, as long as it is true and accurate.

Every country "meddles" in every election. We are no different. But placing dumb ads is all innocuous and no different than what any PAC does. Uncovering corruption? I have nothing to say but "thanks for the favor, Puty-Put." I'll be worried when they start tampering with actual ballots or influencing election supervisors.

johnalex said...

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cfs said...

"Mike Sylwester said...
Keep in mind that Russian Intelligence placed advertisements on Facebook. ....." etc.

For someone to still believe all that was stated in this post above shows they have not paid any attention to the fact that pretty much all of that has been DISPROVEN. Not just NOT proven, but disproven. Evidence shows that none of it was true.

Therefore, poor Mike Sylvester has been suckered by WaPo, CNN, and NYT and is more than willing to admit it. That's just sad.

n.n said...

This is Talking in circles around the black hole of Propaganda

Black whore h/t NAACP. Wouldn't want to be politically incongruent and discriminate.

Oh, and it's "colored people", not "people of color".

we all patriotically bow; in the presence and under the steady eye of the honored and trusted President of the United States, with the members of his wise and patriotic Cabinet, we, the colored people, newly emancipated and rejoicing in our blood-bought freedom, near the close of the first century in the life of this Republic
- Inaugural Ceremonies of the Freedmen's Memorial Monument to Abraham Lincoln

Rewrite history. Tear down that statue!

daskol said...

Our intelligence community, including allied media figures, are supposed to limit this kind of activities to other countries. Disband the CIA, the FBI, and most of the other alphabet agencies and start over.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Second, the absence of a denial by the Biden campaign or Hunter himself should not be treated as a tacit admission of authenticity.


Yes, it should. If the emails were fake, they could say "that is fake. So is that one. that other one there is real, but doesn't show any problems."

That's what you do if you are not a criminal, and you don't have criminal activities to hide

Browndog said...

JCA1 said...

I’m becoming more and more convinced that the Biden’s actions were business as usual in Washington and that’s what drove the desire for the Mueller investigation of Trump. Everyone in Washington just assumed that if you investigated trump long enough, something like this would turn up because everyone is doing it.


They were investigating Trump long before Mueller.

Voice in the Wilderness said...

Schrödinger's laptop


Mr. D, you made my day

RobinGoodfellow said...

“ Blogger rcocean said...

Never have I seen the Press, Social Media, and the Entertainment Industry so filled with hate at the President of the United States.”

Ot since the last Republican president, anyway. Don’t worry, for the next Republican president they will ramp it up to eleventy.

hombre said...

WaPo continues to be a sick joke. Rather than having “investigative reporters” (ROTFL) working feverishly to discover the truth, resident WaPo mediaswine write trash purporting to cast doubt on the authenticity of the emails.

Fodder for their bubble people.

MD Greene said...

I know an outfit that could to this kind of careful, piece-by-piece analysis of everything that is on the hard drvie: The FBI, which subpoenaed the machine after the computer store notified the agency.

On the other hand, maybe not. The agency was pretty credulous when it got its hands on a certain "dossier" several years back.

tim in vermont said...

" we’re becoming a little more like Russia ourselves.”

Good citizens need not fear.

tim in vermont said...

FBI has confirmed it through anonymous sources. If this was anti Trump it would be plenty. If it’s disinformation, the FBI has had it for almost a year to suss it out and pounce. It’s not like there was no search for collusion going on during the time that consumed the national attention.

If Rudy is altering them, he is taking an awful risk. He’s kind of old for prison.

tim in vermont said...

It’s just like Putin to leave no evidence that it’s disinformation. That proves it’s him.

tim in vermont said...

If the WaPo has been forced to acknowledge it, Trump won the debate, hands down.

tim in vermont said...

The idea that it would be a trap to deny emails that look incredibly incriminating is ridiculous, if they are really fake. The real trap being worried about here is a kind of perjury trap, since, you now, he would be lying and the FBI has the evidence.

He kind of departed from logic on that one.

"Hunter or the Biden campaign started selectively denying pieces of the reporting ostensibly from the laptop, they would give oxygen to the operation,’

It’s not an operation. If Rudy took fabrications and handed them to the FBI a year in advance and presented them as evidence in a complaint to the Biden swamp creature Delaware State Police? Well then I assume that they can hear Rudy’s balls clanging together on seismographs in Tokyo.

tim in vermont said...

Mike Sylvester FullMooned a couple of people here. I think that what Mike did is what Rush calls “illustrating absurdity”

I feel like some kind of rubicon was crossed when Althouse started posting on the subject. She is just her own self, but as the climate scientists say, there are “teleconnections” between her thinking and a certain class of honorable liberal voters, who are not an insignificant block.

Browndog said...

..worse, we’re becoming a little more like Russia ourselves."

I never thought I'd think this, let alone state it on a public forum, but we are not morally superior to Russia.

tim in vermont said...

I have come to realize that I am a liberal, and if weren’t for my disgust for what the Clintons have done to the party, I would probably be a Democrat. I guess I was. sort of a Trump Democrat. I remember the moment when I believed Bill Clinton, and then found out he was lying and realized he could bypass what I thought was a pretty decent bullshit detector. Until they are gone from the party, and the New York Times writeup on Biden corruption which Yancey Ward rightly points out, was written to help Hillary, anyway, that writeup makes it pretty clear that the Clinton machine is part of the Ukraine mess. It’s our time’s Teapot Dome.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Patrick and CFs: Mike Sylvester is being sarcastic.

narciso said...

it's rather pitiful, gary pierrong of dallas university, pointed out that if carter page had really had a bloc of rosneft, the deal wouldn't have gone pearshaped, as he shepherded the gazprom deal, to proper public offering,

Charlie Currie said...

Hunter can/could've step forward and unequivocal state one of two things; 1. That he never took his computer to that shop, or any other shop, and he still has it. Or, 2. He did take it to the shop and he retrieved it, all of it, and never abandoned it, and, here it is.

But, he has done nothing to disprove the reporting, NOTHING.

Where is Hunter, anyway. It's possible, probable, that he's so stoned out he doesn't even know this is going on.

donald said...

“Wake up Sheeple”!

I don’t think anybody’s getting it Mike.

alan markus said...

@ cfs Therefore, poor Mike Sylvester has been suckered by WaPo, CNN, and NYT and is more than willing to admit it. That's just sad.

You must be a newbie here, or incredibly stupid, to not recognize sarcasm.

Rory said...

"People, people - this supposex to be a happy occasion, this is o time to be arguing about who bribed who,"

The blogger says, "What?"

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

"Wake up, Sheeple!" Mike Sylwester actually believes everything the DNC/CCP media tells him. he keeps spewing the same crap in post after post. He's in need of a major intervention to free his trapped mind.

MayBee said...

The Dem's attorney for the House Impeachment Inquiry is on Twitter saying this:
To be clear, we don’t know whether the contents of the laptop are authentic — it’s quite possible, perhaps likely, that it was hacked and provided to Giuliani by foreign actors, and some of it could be forged — but even if it is authentic, it’s part of a disinformation campaign.


Daniel Goldman
@danielsgoldman
· 8h
Someone needs to explain to @DonaldJTrumpJr how Russian disinformation works, since he clearly did not learn his lesson from the June 2016 TT meeting.

The laptop itself is not disinformation. But it is part of a Russian disinformation campaign that has been going on for years. twitter.com/acyn/status/13…

-------------

Me: ??????

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Stephen said an awesome set of lies...

Biden's tax returns are public. Trump's are not and Trump has repeatedly and falsely claimed that he is unable to produce them.

Trump is in the middle of an IRS audit. Want his tax returns? Get the IRS to back off.

The Wall Street Journal fact side reported that no China deal happened and that the deal papers show no role for Biden.

Liar. What they reported was that Joe Biden wasn't listed in the paperwork. Which we already knew. Hunter was holding a "10% stake for the big guy."

Hunter was holding it to keep Joe out of the papers.

Biden denies participating in any such deal. There is literally nothing to the contrary.

Biden is a know liar. See: fracking

Hunter Biden's business partner says that Joe was involved. That is not "nothing", and it is to the contrary.

Even the WSJ opinion piece, at best, if everything said in every email is true, shows that when Biden was out of office Biden's son offered him an opportunity to participate in such a deal and he flat out declined.

Lie. He took his 10%.

In the meantime, Trump has a secret bank account in China, and in the debate he flat out lied by saying it had been closed.

Yeah, it's so "secret" it was in his publicly filed disclosures. As was the fact that Deutsche Bank velds to mortgage on Trump Tower, another thing you lying lefties was "a secret".

Feel free to provide a link proving me wrong here. Proving, not "claiming"

Nice pile of lies

ga6 said...

"Amazing that the WaPo (and Team Dem more generally) can't see the damage they are doing"

Jeff B does not give a shit. One more market blow out to the upside and he can buy the next Federal election wholesale and include in another country to boot. Bezosland,

320Busdriver said...

The effing Wapo makes me want to disavow and boycott everything Bezos. That means Amazon, which has W A Y too much power. That will hurt badly, but I deserve the pain for allowing myself to be sucked into it’s destructive addiction. The paper is a joke.

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Howard said...

It's all Trump has to run on besides racism and xenophobia.


Well, that and (1) the lowest percentage of black incarceration since 1989 (contrast with Biden’s authorship of the draconian Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 and Harris railroading young black males into long prison terms for possession of small amounts of marijuana); (2) the impact of riots and arson and looting on black communities while Democrat mayors and governors ordered the police to stand down; (3) Trump’s economic policies benefiting the people at the bottom of the economic ladder — a clearcut case of trickle up economics; and (4) we are today closer to peace in the Middle East than ever. Finally, as was once said of Grover Cleveland, we love him because of the enemies he has made.

FullMoon said...

@Mike Sylwester,
Perfect, although some new guys seem to have mistaken you for one of the goofy progressive freaks who pollute the comments occasionally.
Not Howard, the other ones...
For normal Americans, check Mikes profile.

US Air Force 1978-1992. Intelligence officer, rank of major.
Private translator, 1992 - 2003. Translated WWII documents from German, Russian, Polish.

Jim at said...

Incredible how far the Left will go to maintain the illusion that the world they live in actually exists.

Yeah. Just read Stephen's double-dose of arrogance and stupidity at 12:59.

bagoh20 said...

Yes, that's a nice car you have there, but we can hear that woman you have locked in the trunk.

"On Saturday, Axios reported:

Coverage of business dealings by Joe Biden’s son — and pre-debate allegations by one of his former business associates, Tony Bobulinski — garnered more than twice as much online activity (likes, comments, shares) as the runner-up.

The second-place topic — also pushed by Republicans — was the former vice president’s comments on oil and fracking."

bagoh20 said...

If this story is bullshit, just do some reporting with some proof of such. I'll listen, but some Trump haters collected because they say the right thing is not evidence. It's opinion.

Joe Smith said...

"I have no doubt Russia hacked the DNC emails in 2016."

I have every doubt.

Yours truly,

Seth Rich.

Drago said...

wendybar: "Trump just played a video at his rally of the Democrat debate. Bernie proved that Joe was going to cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Veterans benefits. It is ALL on tape in Joes words saying that is what he would do...."

That video evidence of Bernie exposing Dementia Joe is precisely what Dumb Lefty Stephen means by "no evidence".

FullMoon said...

Stuff on those hard drives gotta be backed up elsewhere because Hunter deleted it from those computers and assumed, like many do, that deletion actually erases, when it simply makes the space available to receive new info.
So anyway, coomputers get wet 'cause left out in rain, or he ran his convertible through carwash with top down, or he put them in the dishwasher. Whatever.
He drops 'em off, figuring to spend a few hundred to restore computers worth thousands of dollars.
Never gets back to Delaware or contacts someone to pick them up, or pays the guy and asks him to send the stuff to him.
Forgets all about it until the shit hits the fan and he finds out his selfies and business stuff was not actually deleted.
Whenever he goes outside, people eyeballin' him with knowing looks. He probably trying to get up the courage to kill himself and make it look like an accident.
My money on car wreck or accidental overdose.
Or bullet to the head, with note blaming Trump written posthumously.

MalaiseLongue said...

They're real,and they're spectacular.

tim in vermont said...

"Biden's tax returns are public. Trump's are not and Trump has repeatedly and falsely claimed that he is unable to produce them. “

That’s really weak Steven, whatever that account is in China, it was reported to the IRS, which is how the New York Times found out about it. Biden has claimed to have never until very recently made over 400K. Ever heard of bitcoin? Remember the “Panama Papers?” Remember how frustrating it was that all of the leaders mixed up in that mess were from the left?

Obviously he would avoid getting his hands dirty. That’s why he relied on his crackhead son. This stuff has been an open secret about Biden forever.

https://www.politico.eu/article/joe-biden-presidential-bid-family-business-history-democrats/

Panama Papers, tax dodging, hmmm....

Among those named in the papers as using the Panama-based law firm Mossack Fonseca to set up offshore entities are Gabrielle Fialkoff, who served as Clinton’s finance director during her first campaign for the Senate in New York, according to a report published online at mcclatchydc.com.

Fialkoff is also a senior adviser to Mayor de Blasio and director of the city’s Office of Strategic Partnership.

Another name from the papers is billionaire Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining magnate and longtime crony of Bill Clinton who has donated $100 million to the Clinton Foundation.

Yet another name from the paper is The Chagoury Group, an international developer based in West Africa that has pledged $1 billion in projects to the Clinton Global Initiative.

Additional names include Chinese billionaire Ng Lap Seng, who was at the center of a Democratic fund-raising scandal during the Clinton administration, and Marc Rich, the notorious international fugitive pardoned by Bill Clinton in his final hours as president in 2001, McClatchy reported.
. - NYPost

I am sure that if Biden did collect this money, it would be reported on his tax returns, same as that bank account in China. We have so much reason to trust the Democrats.

We tried to warn you guys off of. both Hillary and Joe BIden, but the people at the top of the Democratic Party, whose names we don’t know, jobbed Bernie out of the nomination twice now. Bernie has little problems, but he is fundamentally an honest man. That “beach house” of his in Vermont is basically a fishing camp with a shale beach. You could be his next door neighbor for under 300K.

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JMW Turner said...

"Never have I seen the Press, Social Media, and the Entertainment Industry so filled with hate at the President of the United States."
You obviously weren't around during the previous kerfuffle with President Richard Nixon. I've observed, as a child on, these terrible people have pulled this shit on every Republican President, at least since Eisenhower.

BoatSchool said...

Our country’s serious blunders in intelligence make a lot of sense when you realize that all of these so-called intelligence professionals peddle the Russian disinformation line. These folks are incredibly corrupt and/or lacking in the skills of true intelligence professionals. Party hacks suffering from TDS - every single one of them.

MayBee said...

The thing is...if it's Russian disinformation mixed with real stuff, it means Russia had access to a lot of embarrassing photos of Hunter Biden.

tim in vermont said...

A lot of the evidence leads to a strong inference that the laptop is what it is purported to be and that the emails are genuine, but what I think rises asymptotically close to deduction is the fact that the FBI isn’t leaking like a sieve that these emails are fake and show signs of tampering. You can’t just go in and futz around with text, there are checksums that change each time you change a character, and these checksums have checksums, all part of the error correction that is required when transmitting data over a network. Not to mention timestamps, that show up in multiple places. You can’t just change the time on the computer clock and fiddle with emails, it shows up elsewhere. There will be a record that you changed the time on the computer. They could easily, for example, request email data from Frank Luntz, who we now know is a Democrat shill in deep cover, and match that up.

Surely the Washington Post has sources in the FBI? I don’t read that rag, but I would be curious to know if they called any of them. JKLOL! No they didn’t because they didn’t want to hear what they are certain is true, that the stuff is authentic, just as those sources told Fox News when they were asked by that outfit.

tim in vermont said...

"I have no doubt Russia hacked the DNC emails in 2016.”

You know the best word to describe people who never have doubts? "Often wrong."

Matt Sablan said...

How much more confirmation do we need than the recipient saying, "Yeah. That's real."

Kyzer SoSay said...

I'm like 93.7% lurker, and even I know that Mike S is just joshing. Maybe he's trying to get new readers to self-identify - but c'mon Bruce!

Though in fairness that was a solid takedown.

gilbar said...

But, he has done nothing to disprove the reporting, NOTHING.
Where is Hunter, anyway


didn't he commit suicide a while back?

Kyzer SoSay said...

"FullMoon said...
@Mike Sylwester,
Perfect, although some new guys seem to have mistaken you for one of the goofy progressive freaks who pollute the comments occasionally."

Yeah, I was surprised it's not more obvious. For one, Mike's parody is more eloquent and well-argued than most of the actual leftists can muster. Second, he gets just edgy enough to call it out as likely parody. Third, it's Mike S. He's shown his work before, and this is kinda beneath him, even in the unlikely case of a "Come to Biden" moment in his brain.

Though it is fun to read.

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pacwest said...

Laughing my ass off. Aren't you concern trolls supposed to check out a blog's previous commentry before trolling? Must not be getting paid very well. Hunter was set up. Russian wants Trump to win. Don't get me wrong, you guys are loads of entertainment in a weak tea sort of way. It's just a stupid way to go about it is all. It does confirm what it takes to be a Biden voter though. Sylwester. LOL. Nice Elmer Fudd reference although I think the imitation is a bit low.

ga6 said...

Oops forgot:

"Bezosland ©2020 AA"

tim in vermont said...

“I never thought I'd think this, let alone state it on a public forum, but we are not morally superior to Russia.”

I know. Somebody from our State Department went to their boss and complained that Hunter cozying up to Burisma was “awkward” and could be used by Putin for “disinformation.” Kerry was Secretary of State at the time and his son was mixed up in it. Innocent me though that disinformation was information that was false, when really it’s information that undermines whatever narrative the “good guys” are pushing at whatever time and it has nothing to do with whether it is true or false.

But this is the country that put Martha Stewart in jail for claiming she was innocent, without ever proving the underlying crime, and our former FBI director, James Comey, bragged about it. This is the country that won’t let political prisoner Michael Flynn go free even though the prosecution withheld exculpatory evidence, and the judge knows it.

Impeachment always looked like an act of desperation to me, the harebrained and implausible theories of “bribery” and “obstruction of justice” It’s clear now that it was a hail Mary from their own 1 yard line.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Mike of Sno___

Mike Sylwester is showcasing the left's absurdity.

tim in vermont said...

"The thing is...if it's Russian disinformation mixed with real stuff,”

That would be incredibly hard to do as a technical matter, even for a state actor. A year before the election when you don’t even know who the candidate is? Be so sure of your work that you hand it over to the FBI?

FullMoon said...

I'm tempted to copy Mikes' entire comment and post it over ar Reddit.
See how many upvotes it would garner. His comment mirrors typical redditor, although they phrase it differently.

tim in vermont said...

"Our country’s serious blunders in intelligence make a lot of sense when you realize that all of these so-called intelligence professionals peddle the Russian disinformation line.”

Steve McIntyre showed that on Russia Gate, they used the same techniques of “leaking” bullshit to the New York Times and Washington Post to not only push Russia Gate, but the disastrous policy of pouring gasoline on the civil war in Syria, as they used to get us into the Iraq War. Supposedly the New York Times did a lot of soul searching about how they were used. Fat lot of good it did them. These people should have to answer for a lot, and they will answer for none of it.

tim in vermont said...

This won’t help Trump and maybe will get Joe some sympathy, but there are Chinese dissidents with their own axes to grind against Joe “China is not our enemy!” Robinette Biden’s business partners, the ChiComs.

…and the Hunter Biden sex tapes just dropped on Miles Guo’s anti-CCP Gnews.org

No, I’m not linking to it
. - http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/10/24/say-it-isnt-so-joe-79/

After the “Truth and Reconciliation Commisions” that Biden supporters are envisioning, “American dissidents” is going to become a thing.

Matt Drudge! You sold out way too cheap. But it’s too late, Drudge and Rush showed the way, and as DeGaul said “The graveyards are full of indispensable men."

Larry J said...

A gaffe is when a politician accidentally tells the truth. Biden just committed the mother of a gaffes, admitting to setting up a system for massive voter fraud.

https://youtu.be/MA8a2g6tTp0

Still planning on sitting out the election, Ann?

tim in vermont said...

"I have no doubt Russia hacked the DNC emails in 2016.”

Read Donna Brazille’s book if you want to understand why a Sanders supporter would leak those emails. Another open secret.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Wake up, sheeple !!!!

PubliusFlavius said...

Sino Joe firmly plants sole in mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0&feature=youtu.be

So Barry had a fraudulent voter network too Joe?


JZ said...

Exposed as a liar? Don't make me laugh. Lying pays, as in, "You like your doctor..."

tim in vermont said...

"Shawn Henry, president of CrowdStrike, the firm the Democrats hired to examine the DNC servers. It was made public only on May 7, 2020. Henry said under oath: “There’s not evidence that they [the emails] were actually exfiltrated. There’s circumstantial evidence … but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated. …” - ZeroHedge

Server never handed over to the FBI, and now destroyed.

Imagine if Hunter Biden’s laptop had been handed over to Giuliani first, instead of the FBI, and Giuliani then destroyed it. I am sure that everybody would take Giuliani’s word for everything.

The other thing that is very Soviet like is the political prosecution of Bannon, for example. People around Giuliani. They had no problem getting right on those, while giving this laptop a good leaving alone.

But good citizens need not fear.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

Chris Coon's daughter and a few other underage girls on laptop?

if so, no big deal because it's par for the course in Bidenland?
"Chris Coons Clarifies That His Daughter Isn’t Creeped Out By Joe Biden"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-chris-coons_n_6452288?guccounter=1

boatbuilder said...

Or we could ask...Joe Biden.

No, that won't do.

We could ask...Hunter Biden.

Ummm....well, anyway.

We could ask...The people who actually received the actual e-mails. We're the press, right? That's what we do--ask questions? (and actually report on the answers, instead of burying them and proposing legalistic possible means of denying the reality of what we learn?

Or we could ask...The FBI!

Nope--apparently that's not allowed. Reasons.

Or we could ask--Tony Bobiluski. We don't even have to ask. He puts it right out there.We could probably seek to investigate what he says.

Nah.

Well...if we don't believe him, then nothing can be verified. What a mystery!

bagoh20 said...

If the Biden's were clean on this, and this was just Hunter getting lucky and doing nothing illegal, Hunter would be out doing interviews and explaining it to us, and Joe would be making sure he did. Joe's last chance at the White House is on the line after all. Hunter's hiding is pretty self-explanatory. Questions should be ignored, is not an argument made by innocent people.

tim in vermont said...

However, Fox News and the Wall Street Journal reported that evidence provided by Bobulinski suggests Joe had no role in the discussions.

I guess the evidence doesn’t include his testimony, just emails that say “Keep Joe’s name out of it, only face to face.” Because his statement is that Joe was involved. So the above disclaimer is nothing but paltering.

Skeptical Voter said...

Pretzel logic--and pretzel people are petrified at the appearance of impropriety by good old Joe.

Rory said...

"Read Donna Brazille’s book if you want to understand why a Sanders supporter would leak those emails."

The fun part the is Brazile calling Bernie to apologize for the screwing the DNC gave him, while Bernie was part of the scam, agreeing with the Clintons to pull his punches about the Clintons' finances.

boatbuilder said...

Mike Sylwester:

Well done, Sir! You have been on a roll lately.

Apparently Titania McGrath doesn't spell it out enough for some people.

tim in vermont said...

Biden is “sick and tired of smart guys”

I bet he is. He got left back and had to repeat the third grade.

bagoh20 said...

When you have no idea what you are saying, sometimes the truth just slips out.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1320116661790380037

John henry said...

I just took a quick run through the sex tape. At least the first one. Nothing to get excited about folks. He did not have sex with that woman. It was only a handjob.

And part of the time it was Hunter Toobin' his own self.

Can't even tell if the other person Toobin' him is a woman.

OTOH, there are apparently a number of sex tapes and the Chinese have them all. Hunter is eminently extortable.

John Henry

Birkel said...

Readering still pretends to believe the lies fed to Xer by the Democraticals about Russian Collusion.

Precious!

Paul said...

Trump has flat out said many times the things they accuse him of are FALSE.. Flat False.

Yet Biden just .. shuts up and won't say either way.

Read it any way you want folks...

Readering said...

Trump predicts on November 4 we won't hear about covid any more. I predict we will hear a lot lot more about covid than Hunter Biden's laptop.

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Deevs said...

"Insisting that the Hunter Biden laptop is fake is a trap. So is insisting that it’s real."

"Kif, we have a conundrum."

wildswan said...

Joe had no role in the discussions?
At Joe's level you often just say yes or no to what the staff brings so maybe you can say Joe played no role in the discussions - aside from authorizing them and approving their result. Authorizing discussions, and approving the results and getting paid for authorizing and approving, however, seems like involvement to most of us. Involvement of the highest levels at the highest levels. Moreover, apparently even Hunted played no role in the discussion - he was needed for "branding" but not for "developing." But Joe and Hunter knew what was going on because of the money flowing into their bank accounts. Hundreds of thousands and then millions went into Biden bank accounts - this is what narrowing the discussions to "maybe some one e-mail on the laptop is false" overlooks. If hundreds of thousands of dollars comes into your bank account, you know it happened and you know why it is coming. What's Joe got to say about all the money which Hunter got? and which Hunter gave to him?

The Gipper Lives said...

The computer is real.
The phones are real.
The bribery is real.
The perversion is real.
The censorship is real.

Between the bribes and the blackmail, Joe Biden has NO CHOICE BUT TO OBEY BEIJING.

That's real, too.

zefal said...

Will Lewis Caroll please report to the curteous phone.

Lurker21 said...


Just exactly who Mifsud was working for is still in question. According to many accounts, he was working for the CIA or another Western agency in an effort to test or entrap Papadopoulos. I don't know the truth, but suspect it's as likely as the story that he was a "Russian asset," which looked more and more questionable as the investigation dragged on.

_____

As for Coons's daughter, it's best to avoid the wilder rumors that people are spreading. I suppose, though, that isn't the way the Internet or the world work nowadays, but still ...

AllenS said...

To snark or not to snark, that is the question.

Richard Aubrey said...

Richard Dolan: The WaPo and other media, the democrats, the Swamp, are so obvious because, as Richard Fernandez says, they're all in. They expect to win--perhaps think they can't afford to lose and business as usual could cost them--and so it doesn't matter that they're exposed. They're showing us who they are and they think, having won, there won't be a damn' thing we can do about it ever again.
If they win this one, imagine trying to vote out a crooked Soros secretary of state due to election corruption....

Richard Aubrey said...

Richard Dolan: The WaPo and other media, the democrats, the Swamp, are so obvious because, as Richard Fernandez says, they're all in. They expect to win--perhaps think they can't afford to lose and business as usual could cost them--and so it doesn't matter that they're exposed. They're showing us who they are and they think, having won, there won't be a damn' thing we can do about it ever again.
If they win this one, imagine trying to vote out a crooked Soros secretary of state due to election corruption....

TJM said...

Did Inga die? I miss her comedy gold tripe

Greg The Class Traitor said...

After the “Truth and Reconciliation Commissions” that Biden supporters are envisioning, “American dissidents” is going to become a thing.

No, after those start, Civil War and mass mureder are going to become a thing.

There's 500 million small arms, and at least half a trillion rounds of ammunition, in private hands in the US.

Any attempt to disarm us will start a Civil War. Any attempt to start destroying lives with "Truth and Reconciliation Commissions" will get the people on those Commissions killed. Any attempt to punish the killers will spiral.

The Democrats have spent since June engaging in political violence to advance their political agenda. if they're successful with that tactic, we will turn it back on them, and turn the dial up to 11.

Take a look at the "judicial wars". The Democrats would destroy a rule in their way (Bork, Estrada, etc) then scream and whine when the GOP did the same thing back to them, many times more.

"But we didn't do it that much!"

"Tough shit. The rule was never', as in 'never murder people to advance your political agenda, or never filibuster a candidate you have no legitimate grounds to stop'. That rule is gone. Now it's 'go ahead and kill anyone who gets in your way, or threatens you', or 'filibuster anyone you don't like."

I don't want the US to have that new rule, which is why I'm supporting Trump. I hope you all won't want it, either

Gk1 said...

"When you have no idea what you are saying, sometimes the truth just slips out."

Poor Pee Paw Biden is tuckered out after almost 3 days of campaigning this week. He needs to go back to bed for a while.

Kirk Parker said...

William,

"It's a wonder to me how such diabolically clever people ever lost the Cold War"

Russia continues, in large part, to be what the Soviet Union was: a third-world country with a second-world military and a first-world spy apparatus. (Not my own description, but I forget who to credit for it--Jerry Pournelle perhaps?)

Gk1 said...

'After the “Truth and Reconciliation Commissions” that Biden supporters are envisioning, “American dissidents” is going to become a thing.'

To be fair, nitwits like Robert Reich who postulated this, was saying the same things in 2008 when Obama was on the verge of winning and many followers wanted to prosecute Bush officials for "war crimes". It's who these leftists really are when they forget themselves.

Luckily they are all a bunch of pussies that expect the government apparatus to do the dirty work for them and are stunned at the news of local sheriffs and LOE's routinely declining to carry out unconstitutional orders. It's a bunch of idle bluster from progressive keyboard warriors.