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"Most of the speakers talked about justice peacefully. But near the end of the rally, one man introduced as 'our president' strayed from the message by saying, 'If you kill one of us, it’s time for us to kill one of yours.'"
From "WATCH NOW: Kenosha speaker strays from message at rally" (Kenosha News).
याची सदस्यत्व घ्या:
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पोस्ट्स
९४ टिप्पण्या:
"Kenosha speaker strays from message at rally"
Kenosha speaker clarifies the message at rally.
This discredits the whole BLM movement, showing that there is no "two movements", one peaceful and one violent. I will continue to condemn people who give money to that organization. I've paid a terrible price for that stance already, but I will continue to do so.
Trump to visit Kenosha Tuesday, potentially stoking tensions
-AP
...setting the table.
You need kill two if you're going to have any kind of proper escalation. One for one goes on forever.
Progressives are nutty.
If they're identifying as Hutus, and calling me a Tutsi, I'm going to take it seriously.
Was he booed off the stage? Then he wasn’t straying from the message.
Cue Sean Connery in The Untouchables.
The perpetually offended that wallow in self pity will always be with us.
Their shtick is getting old.
You dont want this to go on, because this really is a slippery slope.
A potential avalanche situation, and the conditions are perfect.
And only one side can stop it - the left, the Democrats, the Mayors and DA's, the MSM and their shadowy owners.
Or it is by now inevitable. I fear it is just so; nobody will do anything, or can do anything.
The trouble here, unlike other cases in your history, is that in the past the political murders were directed at official targets, offices, officials, police, or failing that symbols of the power such as banks, or just random persons. The state does not need to do tit-for-tat, unless it completely undisciplined.
But now you have a conflict of peoples, essentially a gang-ethnic conflict for all that the significant participants are all white. You have white Bloods and Crips, and millions of each.
chickelit said...
This discredits the whole BLM movement, showing that there is no "two movements", one peaceful and one violent. I will continue to condemn people who give money to that organization. I've paid a terrible price for that stance already, but I will continue to do so.
Ironically, the “peaceful” element you mention, with its 100% fraudulent message about police targeting blacks, is responsible for the deaths of literally thousands of black people since Ferguson. That is in addition to the senseless hatred and divisiveness it has sparked in society. The BLM message is, by far, more evil and damaging than the riots and looting. It’s not even close
He strays from the message the press and Dem politicians are trying to push about these riots. But not the message of the protesters.
A Trump supporter was shot and killed in Portland last night because he was identified as a "Trumper." The mob then celebrated.
When the guy they call the 'president' starts worrying out loud about the number of Black Americans killed by black Americans, I'll take him seriously. I know- this white guy is not supposed to bring that up. It's a red herring. Sure. Keep fooling yourselves.
When he's up there parading and threatening others lives because a guy who had an arrest warrant out for sexual assault and stealing a car had come back to scene of his crime for more, then had the police called on him by the Black woman he had assaulted, then refused to comply with police as they tried to peacefully take him in, then resisted as they had to raise the level of security by tasering him, then continued to fight, as the police just tried to contain him, then walked away to the other side of the car with a knife in his hand, then reached into his car....
Would this have been more 'acceptable' if the policeman had shot him 1 time? 3 times? I get that 7 seems crazy, but I was not there. MY life was not on the line. I don't know what I would have done. And neither does anyone else writing or talking about this.
If this is the island this 'president' wants to take a stand on this, instead of standing up for the 5 dead and 14 wounded just in the City of Chicago so far this weekend then he's not representing anyone- especially Black Americans. He's part of the problem.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
You have.
His name is Cannon Hinnant
Also- Laura Anderson and Nick Wall
Killed by white supremacists. Oh wait. No. Not exactly.
and blacks love to kill each other in parts of Chicago each night. thousands of deaths each year. White left media have zero interest. You see- to the white left, black lives do not matter other than what can you do for white Biden... and Hunter.
How many gangs are there in America? hundreds of thousands. 1.4 million gang members.
Go read you gang stats.
They've already killed. The next step is retribution, and they're outnumbered. May God have mercy on their soul, because they've awakened those that will not have any.
I call it a Kinsley gaffe
Isn't it interesting he (and just about everyone else) are pretending BLM hasn't already killed people? I bet most people only recognize one name below since the media doesn't believe lives ended by BLM matter.
This obviously doesn't include the guy killed last night, or others.
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David Dorn
David Dorn, St. Louis Police Department. (St. Louis Police)
Looters who broke into a pawn shop ran into David Dorn, a 77-year-old retired St. Louis police captain, on June 2. Dorn was checking on a burglar alarm. That night in St. Louis, rioters shot four officers, burned and looted businesses, and threw rocks at police.
St. Louis police arrested Stephan Cannon, 24, charging the suspect with first-degree murder, first-degree robbery, first-degree burglary, felon in possession of a firearm.
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Italia Marie Kelly.
This is Italia Kelly. From what I understand, she was peacefully protesting when the violence started and she tried to leave the scene but was shot in the back by other protesters. She was 22 pic.twitter.com/YC2aNWksxd
— Pardes Seleh (@PardesSeleh) June 3, 2020
On May 31, 22-year-old Italia Marie Kelly was trying to get into a friend’s car to leave a George Floyd protest in a Walmart parking lot in Davenport, Iowa. She got shot and died later that evening. The Davenport Police Department arrested 21-year-old Parker Marlin Belz and charged him with first-degree murder in the case, the Des Moines Register reported.
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Chris Beaty
His name is Chris Beaty. He was a 38 year old former football standout at Indiana University. He was a prominent businessman in Indianapolis. He was MURDERED while saving two women from being mugged during the riots! Again, no suspects have been arrested. HIS LIFE MATTERED! R/T pic.twitter.com/5q2U74Fc91
— Marines Love Trump 🇺🇸 (@SteveMotley) June 12, 2020
Chris Beaty, 38, played football for Indiana University and was known as “Mr. Indianapolis.” He was shot and killed on the street in downtown Indianapolis on May 30 during a protest.
Jared Thomas, Beaty’s nephew, said Mr. Indianapolis was helping two women who were being mugged when he was shot, the Indianapolis Star reported.
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Jessica Doty Whitaker
Black Lives Matter supporters reportedly shot 24-year-old Jessica Doty Whitaker, the mother of a 3-year-old boy, on July 5 in Indianapolis. Whitaker’s father confirmed to The Daily Wire that when the Black Lives Matter activists confronted Whitaker’s group, shouting, “Black Lives Matter!” Whitaker had responded, “All lives matter!”
While the two groups split up, the Black Lives Matter activists reportedly waited for Whitaker’s group to return and later ambushed them, shooting Whitaker. Local news reports do not mention the Black Lives Matter connection in their coverage of the shooting.
There definitely aren't two separate groups, the "peaceful protesters" and the "rioters." There's one group, and within it are a range of personalities, some too fearful or naturally reticent to act out violently, some who have no reservations at all about brutally assaulting innocent people, setting fire to a business, or otherwise taking part in violence. But even the people who AREN'T personally throwing a hubcap at a police officer's head are still a part of a group that engages in this kind of conduct. At a bare minimum, they tacitly support the violence by knowingly coming out and providing safety-in-numbers cover for the psychopaths who are doing the overt, terroristic rioting.
Strays from the message.
Adheres to the mission.
who decides who "us" and "them" are?
...an angry mob? Who metes out the "justice"?
Extremists acting in bad faith are driving this "movement"
Any legitimacy interspersed within it is rendered irrelevant.
"You will know them by their fruits"
and nevermind who's backing all this shit, and to what ends
We ain't never did nothing to nobody, except for committing 65% percent of all crimes against everyone.
"A Trump supporter was shot and killed in Portland last night because he was identified as a "Trumper." The mob then celebrated."
-- I mean, what do I expect after everyone right of Bernie has been labeled some flavor of Nazi and for nearly 4 years, we've been told it is OK to harm or kill Nazis.
If law enforcement is not permitted to preserve the peace, armed citizens will step up. This is not complicated or surprising.
DanTheMan said...
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
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logic? compels me to say "the whole world blind in one eye only" or "seeing out of one eye."
- maybe by selective right and left eye gouging we can have tribe markers?
No, DanTM, “an eye for an eye” is a pretty good deterrent to putting people’s eyes out. For example, let’s blind everyone who shone a laser into peace officers’ eyes. (Or just shoot to kill.)
Trump to visit Kenosha on Tuesday. I’m sure that David Brooks will applaud his gesture toward law and order.
I feel sorry for the useful idiots out on the street, who don't know they aren't even pawns in the political game their masters play.
I mean....imagine if the Tea Party had ever said something similar.
"But damn why are we the ones who have to keep burying ours and got to keep clean for you to see us as being human? We ain't never did nothing to nobody."
Plus, we're turning our lives around. Around and around!
These riots will cease immediately, when people like me are given the ok to stop them. Forget about the police and the court system. We are too far gone for those old ways to work anymore. Don't believe me? Just keep watching. Having a conscience never won a war, you have to kill. That my friends and enemies, are where we are at.
I know who the real nazi are.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Yeah, yeah. And a stitch in time saves nine.
After observing your side poke out a couple of hundred eyes, one begins to think delivering a message to stop that chit might require a bit of poke back.
DC BLM Terrorist: ‘Put Police In Graves, Burn The White House Down, Take It To Senators… Burn Them Down’
“I’m at the point where I’m ready to put these police in the f**king grave. I’m at the point where I wanna burn the f**king White House down.”
The speaker went on while the crowd egged him on:
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/dc-blm-terrorist-put-police-in-graves-burn-the-white-house-down/
correction:
Not hundreds of thousands.
About 30,000 -
Leftwing arsonists kill a Trump supporter.
Leftwing antifa arsonists are there to destroy things.
Trump supporter is merely there to support police and law and order.
Media choose to side with leftwing arsonists.
"If law enforcement is not permitted to preserve the peace, armed citizens will step up. This is not complicated or surprising."
-- The police don't just protect the citizenry from the criminals, but the criminals from the people. Remember, if the sheriff arrests you first, you have a decent shot of not hanging for horse thieving. If the citizens found you first, well.
Once the people have to start dispensing justice, and they don't trust the police or courts to do it, well, the ability to just lock criminals away is gone. So, that leaves them with vanishingly few options short of "shoot the bastards."
You don't want rioters to get shot? Let the police deal with riots like they're riots, not like they're a two-year old throwing a tantrum that will tire himself out.
All these BLM/Antifa poster boys have one thing in common: their criminals.
Jacob Blake is a criminal and a rather brazen and stupid one at that. Obviously he never saw the Chris Rock sketch on how to behave when confronted by the police.
AllenS is 82nd Airborne. He faces reality as easily as he jumps out of Airplanes.
It as a mostly peaceful call to kill....against the very people the left wants to disarm...all the while the dems/left/LLR-left want to defund the police and put citizens at the mercy of their mobs.
It's EXACTLY like what the lefties have done in every single place they gained power.
But only every single time.
Were the police in the Jacob Blake incident working under rules that did not allow "head holds" and "pinning perps on the ground"? Did the George Floyd arrest influence how police handled Blake in way that led to his being shot?
you know what Really cuts down your chances of having the police Kill You?
Peacefully getting into the squad car, when you have been arrested
to LOTS of my associates, that statement makes me a RACIST!!!! {but, it's true}
serious question
when was the last time a black man called 911 about a problem, and when the police got there; they just Shot him? I can't remember this happening
seems like, when black men get shot by cops; they're resisting arrest
{unlike white females}
"strays" = "devolves"
But, deplorably slow though we are, we righties have broken the code. Message received loud and clear.
Thanks, "president." Thanks, Vicky O.
sad *if* true:
"Earlier tonight, Alice Johnson, who President Trump just pardoned was speaking to a room full of people on Clubhouse, an app you may have heard of
While she was speaking, she described the events of Thursday night after leaving the White House, where a mob had descended
She described being attacked, spit on, and having to take her heels off to defend herself from the out of control mob
The mob descended on Alice and she was in tears and afraid as they attacked her the same way they attacked Rand Paul
In the clubhouse room listening to Alice were Gayle King, MC Hammer, Van Jones and others
What was their reaction?
They told Alice to never repeat the story
I was told Van Jones specifically told Alice not to repeat her story
The left wing coastal elites don't care that Alice was spit on and attacked
They're afraid people finding out the left wing mob attacked her will hurt Biden"
per @ComfortablySmug
It's 'Us and Them,' 'Ours and Yours.' It's not 'Us and Yours.'
These people are idiots, and yet they're the 'leaders.'
"I know who the real nazi are."
And I know who they be too.
There is an old saying, "Give Peace a Chance." It is used by idealist hippie assholes to stop any useful action from being taken to correct what they have damaged.
I'd suggest we modify it to, "Give Police a Chance" and insist that police and the justice system do their jobs of restoring public order, before people like AllenS do so in a way that will be a success, but which people like AllenS should not be forced into performing.
I'm bagoh20, and I approve this message, all of it.
The first half of the message is strong recommendation. The end part is the reason why we should do it the peaceful way.
Any message recommending action requires both a suggestion and a reason why.
She described being attacked, spit on, and having to take her heels off to defend herself from the out of control mob
The mob descended on Alice and she was in tears and afraid as they attacked her the same way they attacked Rand Paul
Somebody tell Amexpat. A clue would be helpful. He hasn't one.
AllenS said...
These riots will cease immediately, when people like me are given the ok to stop them. Forget about the police and the court system. We are too far gone for those old ways to work anymore. Don't believe me? Just keep watching. Having a conscience never won a war, you have to kill. That my friends and enemies, are where we are at.
People want to know when the Leftist rioting, burning, and murdering will stop in America’s cities. The election won’t stop them.
It will stop when:
A: The Democrat-Media Alliance wants it to stop.
or
B: Someone makes them.
Not before.
-Jesse Kelly
Some, Select Black Lives Matter need to stage a coup to remove their leaders. Then they should cancel Some, Select Black Lives Matter and regroup under All Lives Matter, or, perhaps, Baby Lives Matter, which will lead them down the same path.
>>After observing your side poke out a couple of hundred eyes
My side??? You think I support these adult babies committing arson, looting, and basically having temper tantrum? Now these savages are murdering people for wearing the wrong hat, and then celebrating that murder!
My point is that the way to deal with murderers is not for otherwise law abiding folks to become murderers, too.
I would love to hear Wheeler's answers to two questions:
1) How long are you going to allow these riots to continue?
2) What is your plan to stop the riots?
I suspect if he told the truth, the answers would be:
1) As long as they want to.
2) Our plan is to wait until they get tired of rioting and go home.
The riots won't stop until someone makes them stop. The D's in Portland and Oregon are waiting for Trump to federalize the Oregon NG and put down the riot, and then flood the world with videos of "peaceful protesters" getting beaten or shot while resisting arrest.
It's a trap. Trump won't take the "Kent State" bait.
And, of course, if Biden wins, Portland will get billions in federal aid (read:taxes paid by working people) to "rebuild". In other words, they will be rewarded for letting their city burn.
Isn't this the same scam the PLO and Hezbollah use that they should be treated as a "political movement" and that sometimes there are violent members in their midst, but it does not define their "generally peaceful" movements? They aren't fooling anyone.
There needs to be an understanding on why these people feel a need to riot. They are building up their "street cred". Even if arrested, they know they will do very little jail time. The penalty/fine will not be significant enough to deter them.
Physically being injured is effective in these types of circumstances, when used as an attitude adjustment.
>>Forget about the police and the court system...You have to kill. That my friends and enemies, are where we are at.
That may be where YOU are; ready to go to Portland and start killing rioters. VERY FEW others are there yet.
Thank God.
Now, if they come after you in your neighborhood or at your business, or try to drag you out of your car, that's completely different.
Some White person inclined to say, "You loot one of ours, it's time for us to loot one of yours," should remember that these fine people have done that emotional labor for them.
Temujin said...
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If this is the island this 'president' wants to take a stand on this, instead of standing up for the 5 dead and 14 wounded just in the City of Chicago so far this weekend then he's not representing anyone- especially Black Americans. He's part of the problem.
POTUS doesn't run Chicago, the federal government doesn't run the schools in Chicago, the federal government has, in fact, pretty much zip diddly to do with what goes on in CHicago.
Chicago has been a one party run town- Democrat run- since 1932. And Illinois itself? From wikipedia: Unique among the states is the notable fact that four of Illinois' seven governors between 1961 and 2009 were imprisoned for various forms of corruption while in office. All 4 have been Democrats- you have to search that.
Illinois voters know which party has been in charge for their whole lives. And keep voting for them. What do you suggest the federal government's responsibility is? The Constitution says the federal government guarantees a republican form of government to each state. Doesn't guarantee the state and people will use it responsibly.
Kill Whitey!
@Rick, you left out Secoriea Turner, the little 8 year girl murdered in Atlanta. A suspect has been arrested, and there is no question that he was (is still) a member of BLM.
They talked about social justice... qualified, relativistic, unreconciled justice, and there lies the progressive path.
"I know who the real nazi are."
Dispense with the popular, the academic, the expert beliefs. #PrinciplesMatter
Anyone wondering if the BLM and Antifa rioters are part of the 10% of the population Jordan Peterson says are too dumb to do anything useful in society?
Tommy Duncan said...
Were the police in the Jacob Blake incident working under rules that did not allow "head holds" and "pinning perps on the ground"? Did the George Floyd arrest influence how police handled Blake in way that led to his being shot?
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hire the gladiators - nets and tridents
AllenS is 82nd Airborne. He faces reality as easily as he jumps out of Airplanes.
Crew, Nav: One Minute Warning...
buwaya said...
You dont want this to go on, because this really is a slippery slope.A potential avalanche situation, and the conditions are perfect.
Tit for tat and escalate didn't end up well for the left in the Spanish Civil War. The right-wing Falange killed a leftist officer of the Republican Assault Guards, Lieutenant José del Castillo. In revenge- and in escalation- a group of leftist policemen kidnapped and killed José Calvo Sotelo, the leader of the right wing in Parliament. While his kidnappers and killer were identified, the Republican (left) government didn't arrest anyone.
The government's refusal to arrest Calvo Sotelo's killer convinced many on the right that there was no possibility of having rule of law under the Republican (left) government. The military began its coup a week later.
In retaliation for the military coup, the left killed thousands of Roman Catholic priests and nuns during the summer of 1936.
If some wonder why the right was so savage during and after the war, the above may provide some context.
of course, Antifa doesnt exist, buuuut:
Suspect in Murder of Trump Supporter: “I’m 100% Antifa All the Way”
Alleged killer was a hardcore leftist.
https://summit.news/2020/08/30/suspect-in-murder-of-trump-supporter-im-100-antifa-all-the-way/
Cue the parsing
Gospace
Chicago has been a one party run town- Democrat run- since 1932. And Illinois itself? From wikipedia: Unique among the states is the notable fact that four of Illinois' seven governors between 1961 and 2009 were imprisoned for various forms of corruption while in office. All 4 have been Democrats- you have to search that.
Corruption in Illinois No, three of the four were Democrats.
Otto Kerner, Jr. (D)
Dan Walker (D)
George Ryan (R)
Rod Blagojevich (D)
My point is that the way to deal with murderers is not for otherwise law abiding folks to become murderers, too.
@Dan, but historically the necessary condition for the formation of committees of vigilance has been that the law can neither be relied upon to protect honest citizens, nor can it be relied upon to dispense justice in the event of criminals being apprehended. The two choices for the states of Oregon and Washington, and the cities of Seattle and Portland, is for the police to do their proper jobs or for armed citizens to shoot to kill. And I see little evidence that the former is going to happen. Do you?
“Strayed from the message”? I think not. The message is clear and only slightly modulated with the breaking of every window, every fire, every theft, every beating and every David Dorn.
These assholes don’t understand the self restraint of law abiding citizens. They also can’t do math. Time will tell.
Still amazed they didn’t kill that truck driver on the Minneapolis overpass. I guess the controlling variable is time of day. You know, ‘cuz killing someone in the dark is a victimless crime I guess.
Gospace, "president"was what the BLM dude called himself. The word want referring to POTUS.
?real Kenosha!
! is this showing in the local media ?
what happens if this keeps up on 11/3/2020 - can BLM cancel the elections?
I wish I could muster up my faith right now - I feel the need for effective prayer. The normals need to hold firm and not go vigilante. We need -despite not being a "movement" and having no leader or group of leaders organizing us - to stay as disciplined as MLK Jr's civil rights organization members did, even when we're attacked (clear self-defense only - which means never going anywhere alone and having video running at all times, I suppose). Because if we start acting lawless (and vigilantism is "acting lawless" even when a reasonable person could see it as justified), Biden wins, and we have the horrors of these past months to look forward to every time some left-sanctioned group decides it has a grievance.
But if we start organizing in any way, so as to aid in our own self-discipline, Biden wins, because any such organization will be touted as evidence of the formation of fascist, undoubtedly white supremacist militias, even if they never fire a shot.
The only way Trump wins that I can see is if every person who either supports Trump or - without supporting Trump - believes that property rights, rule of law, and societal good order are worth preserving acts with perfect and individual self-discipline.
The tightrope we are on is scary as hell.
The only place in America that you can safely show your support for the President of the United States in public is on a boat, in open water.
What was the name of the Trump supporter shot in Portland and why isn't it being published? Was he a US Marshal? or something like that? or an Amazon employee? Or carrying no ID? which is very unusual. Or a Chinese? Or an undercover BLM, so they shot one of their own. I could see two straps on his right leg as if he had a gun but nothing has been said about that.
Biden's team released a generic statement condemning all violence, without specifics. No speech, no questions, no condolences to the family of the murdered man, no trip to Portland or Kenosha or indeed anywhere.
I am curious to know what Althouse makes of this.
My take: an action taken by professional staff, with no substance. Cowardly and indicative of a lack of capacity.
Must suck to be such a worthless human being that child molesters, rapists, and other thugs are part of your "us".
I'm glad that I'm not that despicable of a human being
Founded on false premises. Progressed on wrong principles.
BTW:
Professor Althouse: Why you don't vote for Biden
If Biden is President, his AG will be someone like Andrew Wissemann, and his DoJ will bring criminal and civil actions against police officers and police departments that try to shut riots down
So instead of having riots limited to cities where the politicians love the rioters more than they love the people, you will have constant riots in every sign city and town in the country
Because no matter what they get, the rioters will always want more. And having been rewarded for rioting once (the defeat of Trump), they will keep on doing the tactic that works
Want your house burned down? Want the businesses you shop at destroyed? Then vote for Biden
So instead of having riots limited to cities where the politicians love the rioters more than they love the people, you will have constant riots in every sign city and town in the country
Yes, instead of addressing the diverse causes at their source, they have been quietly sharing/shifting/redistributing them to make it a problem for everyone else. It's a profitable gig, if they can get away with it.
Now, if they come after you in your neighborhood or at your business, or try to drag you out of your car, that's completely different. - Dan
The problem is - and I'm talking specifically about Olympia, WA - is they've taken over certain parts of the town where it's no longer safe to go. Common areas. Along the lake. Downtown. And from time to time (like yesterday) they'll wreak havoc on the West Side and storm the mall.
I pay taxes to use these spaces. I pay taxes for public safety. Yet, the police and the powers that be won't do a damn thing about it. And we're going on three months now.
Just how the fuck long am I supposed to put up with this shit? Because I'm not going to hunker down in my home while leftist thugs roam the streets unimpeded. And without consequence.
I have rights, too.
This says it was antifa, but since we all know antifa doesn't exist it should say BLM.
Antifa march down the streets of Oakland, CA chanting "Death to America" to the sound of smashing glass
Dan the man and Jamie, if the government officials and police won’t protect you, with your attitude towards responding to these animals, prepare to die.
I refuse to be a victim. You can choose to be one if you wish. Just get out of the way of the rest of us. The second amendment was created for situations like this, among others.
None of this bullsh*t is about the Blacks. It's about male workforce participation. Young men don't need to work (delayed marriage and fewer children and welfare). It's easier to stay single (online dating and these wimps are traumatized that sex will give them Covid). Don't forget about marijuana and video games. Result? A massive surge in crime that we haven’t seen in decades.
My point is that the way to deal with murderers is not for otherwise law abiding folks to become murderers, too.
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It's a very dumb point. People who are defending themselves from mortal peril by killing their assailant are not committing "murder". Justified self-defense is not "breaking the law". It's an inalienable right.
Finally, the lines have been drawn. Kill one of ours, we kill one of yours. It has always been this way. Clarity.
"Finally, the lines have been drawn. Kill one of ours, we kill one of yours. It has always been this way. Clarity."
I'm more of a 10:1 kind of guy myself (10 of them for every one of us)
Jamie said...
Because if we start acting lawless (and vigilantism is "acting lawless" even when a reasonable person could see it as justified), Biden wins,
Nope. If we simply start killing the rioters wherever they appear, the Democrats will stop allowing the riots.
Rittenhouse killed 2 and injured a 3rd. Next night? No riots, because the Mayor & Governor decided to send enough armed force into the streets to stop teh violence.
Antifa rioted freely in Berkeley. Then the Proud Boys showed up and beat them up one night. After that, the Berkeley police were allowed to shut down Antifa
Not all voters are idiots. When politicians show that they CAN shut down the riots, that also shows that they CHOSE to let them go before.
People who don't want their own houses burned down will vote Republican, in there self defense
>>Dan the man and Jamie, if the government officials and police won’t protect you, with your attitude towards responding to these animals, prepare to die.
You completely misunderstand me.
I will not be a victim of these morons. If they come after me and my family, I am an NRA member, a supporter of our 2nd amendment rights, an rather well armed.
I agree with you completely that the police in Portland have abandoned their downtown and the people that live there to the mob. Those who live there have every right to defend themselves, up to and including deadly force if their lives are in danger.
What I don't support is Allen's idea that it's time for us to declare war and go to Portland and start murdering rioters.
"Jim at said...
"Just how the fuck long am I supposed to put up with this shit?"
Until after the election. Surprised I have to point that out.
"My point is that the way to deal with murderers is not for otherwise law abiding folks to become murderers, too."
I don't think anyone prefers that path, but we've gone a very long way down it already. The mayors and governors of the localities in question have attempted to use this to their own political ends, and the beast is out of their control. Most of them show no genuine desire as yet to regain that control, and I doubt they can.
I think the consensus on the right (so far) is "we'll handle you if you come to us", but more and more that is changing to "well, I will travel a certain distance to meet you halfway, since you insist".
There is no point in reasoning with the hard knot of sociopaths that comprise Antifa/blm's fighting wing, or even to expect them to eventually fade back to their orc caves. Mad dogs are going to roam, and bite, until they're put down, like the foam-mouthed mutt Atticus Finch dropped in To Kill a Mocking Bird. Recall that pathetic social media post made by the animal who kicked the white kid's head in Portland: "Looking at a murder charge coz I fought a racist. You can look it up on Twitter."
Coz I fought a racist. No, laddie, you and your fellow goblins kidnapped an American citizen from his vehicle because he was white and then nearly beat and kicked him to death, because he was white. And you committed these sundry felonies while other orcs gleefully filmed you in action. In the United States of America. In 2020. And this is but one meager thread to a demonic tapestry now on display in Portland, Seattle, Sacramento, Minneapolis, Kenosha, Chicago, Louisville, D.C., etc. and et. al.
THIS is the modern American Democrat party.
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