Said Morris W. O’Kelly (of radio's "Mo’Kelly Show"), quoted in "Roger Stone Uses Racial Slur on Radio Show/Mr. Stone, while being questioned about the commutation of his sentence by President Trump, used a racial slur in referring to his interviewer, who is Black" (NYT).
The "diet version of the N-word" is "Negro," and Stone, in the middle of talking to O'Kelly, muttered something to the side. The beginning of the sentence was hard to make out, but it ended with "arguing with this Negro."
When Mr. O’Kelly asked him to repeat what he said, Mr. Stone let out a sigh, then remained silent for almost 40 seconds. Acting as if the connection had been severed, Mr. Stone vehemently denied that he used the slur. “I did not, you’re out of your mind,” Mr. Stone told the host.Afterwards, O'Kelly said: “The only thing that I felt was true, honest and sincere that Roger Stone said was in that moment that he thought I was not listening. All of my professional accolades, all my professional bona fides went out the window because as far as he was concerned, he was talking and arguing with a Negro.”
Stone is ludicrously dishonest here. And no one should take solace in the fact that "Negro" was once the polite term. For background, read "When Did the Word Negro Become Taboo?," a 2010 Slate article dealing with a newly released statement Senator Harry Reid had made before the 2008 election, saying Barack Obama could win because he was "light skinned" and had "no Negro dialect." That was 10 years ago, and people were calling on Reid to resign. I remember when "colored people" was the polite term (and so does the NAACP).
But it hardly even matters here, because even if Stone had muttered "arguing with this black man" or "arguing with this African-American man,"it would have been offensive. Do the interview, answer the questions. If you have a valid reason to object to the interviewer, go ahead and say it, but if your objection is that he's black, you're horribly wrong. Saying "arguing with this black man" is in the category of remarks like "It's like arguing with a 2-year-old" or "It's like talking to a wall." It's disrespectful even if the source of your irritation is not the race of your interlocutor. Add race, and it's a cruel insult. Make the racial word different from the normal words that decent people use in public speech, and you make yourself a pariah.
Stone paused for 40 seconds and denied that he said it. He knew it was wrong. If he knew it was wrong, and it's so obviously wrong, why did he say it? It's his secret thought but it just slipped out, because he lacks brain/mouth control? Or did he actually really want to hurt O'Kelly?
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Wah...who cares??? When they take it out of Rap music, I'll start listening...until then, this is America and we do have free speech even though the left is trying to change the meanings of words and erase others they find offensive. Pretty soon we will just grunt at each other.....
He's not complaining about his race but about his mindset and displayed argumentative technique. If Sowell is arguing with you, you'd use a different term. Like empiricist.
Say anything you want. Negro is polite today, just a trigger for the idiot opposition.
Polite means has positive connotations as well as negative. As do most words.
The counter to being called a negro is to display some white thinking. Blacks can do it.
"If there’s a takeaway from the conversation, it is that Roger Stone gave an unvarnished look into what is in the heart of many Americans today."
Looking into the hearts of so many people, from what one person said, that's a special skill to have.
The best N word controversy was over former Rick Perry's family hunting retreat.
"If there’s a takeaway from the conversation, it is that Roger Stone gave an unvarnished look into what is in the heart of many Americans today."
I wonder of he can tell what I'm thinking about him right now.
Nincompoop, nitwit, ninny, numskull, nit, are pretty much without positive connotations, so negro is more polite. Naif would have both positive and negative.
Back in the day, guys like George Wallace pronounced it 'nigra', but nobody was deceived.
Think of it as like arguing with a woman. "This woman" might slip out in an aside to another guy. Or, depending on what sort of stupidity her argument displays, this cunt.
Negro seems to nail it, for a stop beating your wife political question. That is, she knows she's being stupid but thinks it plays well with her side.
Mo Kelly’s show is usually unlistenable, with his interests in gaming and racial grievance, I assumed his radio audience was so small no one had heard of him outside LA. I’m sure he’ll get a lot of mileage out of this old man’s verbal mistake. Since Mo never made a big deal out of either Harry Reid’s affection for the word negro, or Biden’s “clean and articulate” comments, I would not expect the reaction Mo had here. He wants to put those words and thoughts in America’s mouth. I think the meaningful part of Stone’s aside was “why am I arguing” and whether he finished with “you” or “this guy” or what he used the question begs to be answered, why IS he subjecting himself to such an interview?
UNCF united negro college fund.
NWA niggaz wit attitudes.
Words are a resource. Playing on several meanings at once is a high literary skill, to be encouraged.
"Impolite words" is a repudiation of language itself.
"If there’s a takeaway from the conversation, it is that Roger Stone gave an unvarnished look into what is in the heart of many Americans today."
Mr. O'Kelly believes he knows what is in my heart because of what Roger Stone has in his heart.
What is it in O'Kelly's heart that enables him to do so?
Didn't MLK refer to Blacks as Negros?
Agree with everything you said about the diet N-word. But isn't also unfair bigotry to say Stone's use of the word gives "an unvarnished look into what is in the heart of many Americans today?"
It doesn't even give an unvarnished look into Roger Stone's heart, thus the questions at the end of the post.
This use of the offensive word by Stone stands out because it's so unusual, not because it's representative of how many Americans talk.
It would be typical that a cunt like Althouse would object to "negro."
It leaves you searching for what connotation of cunt applies to Althouse's objection, and manages to apply it to all people who object to "negro."
It would seem to be a desire to prevent language from working against certain attitudes, attitudes which are against ideas. Selling out language.
So, Stone comes to talk, and the negro hits him with a negro talking point constructed so as not to have an exit that doesn't require first rejecting the question as framed.
Disrespecting men for being black is always assumed so they must be the only group that is never IDed. Which only IDs them by never being mentioned. Sorry about that!
Well, I don’t think it’s the diet version in general, because it was once the preferred term, but I agree that Stone's phrase is dismissive and prejudiced.
it just slipped out, because he lacks brain/mouth control?
*ding ding ding*
It's what got him to where he is today.
Yet taking note of people's whiteness and making all manner of stereotypical assumptions about it is calmly de rigueur, and isn't even noticed without insight or irony.
For Stone, this is worse than his conviction in federal court.
United Negro College Fund disables the negative connotations of negro, just by context. It seems to favor white thinking, in fact standing against idiotic black political postures. It doesn't seem to be thinking of one voice indoctrination but of some sort of traditional Western educaation.
Negro can also cover idiotic black political postures. It's just context, and the word is a resource.
United Negro Riot Fund.
"To the illustrations of these general principles which have been already given I shall now add some more, drawing my examples, first, from the class of tabooed things, and, second, from the class of tabooed words; for in the opinion of the savage both things and words may, like persons, be charged or electrified, either temporarily or permanently, with the mysterious virtue of taboo, and may therefore require to be banished for a longer or shorter time from the familiar usage of common life. "
"Knots and Rings tabooed".
This lesson concerning taboo words and Sacred Objects reminds me - are all you savages lowering your toilet lids before flushing, as you have been instructed?
The historical elimination of Martin Luther King continues, nay, accelerates.
Who would have ever believed that could happen?
Am I supposed to care about any of this stupidity the same week that a bunch of African American pro athletes just got done ranting about Hitler and not liking Jews?
Hard pass.
You can’t play the victim to the every slight provocation while your brothers “in the community” are offering divisive b.s. that nobody needs right now.
stone was treated like a medellin kingpin or bratva boss, why, because he pretended to have a back channel to wikileaks, because he joked with randy credico, there are (redacted) terrorists who don't have a swat team show up at his house,
"UNABLE to discriminate clearly between words and things, the savage commonly fancies that the link between a name and the person or thing denominated by it is not a mere arbitrary and ideal association, but a real and substantial bond which unites the two in such a way that magic may be wrought on a man just as easily through his name as through his hair, his nails, or any other material part of his person."
"people were calling on Reid to resign"
Who did? For how long? With what effect? Did anyone denounce Reid as racist when he retired? Did anyone infer from his rhetoric that they could tell what was in the heart of all Democrats?
Anyway, Stone is a dishonest fool.
Black would exclude the connotation that Stone wants, as would colored person or african american. N*gger isn't the insult he wants. He just wants to cover a mindset typical of political blacks (he could have used political black); there's no use talking to them because you have to spend all your time unframing their questions and restating them without their trap.
Negro gives him credit for intelligence, which black would not, and more or less singles out political mindset.
He should have called him Karen. No problem.
"It’s the diet version of the N-word, but as an African-American man, it’s something I deal with pretty frequently."
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Does he work part time in a nursing home?
Scott Adams says you should never say anything that offends anybody, but he wants to give himself cover for not talking about women.
It so often IS like arguing with a two-year-old, so I avoid it as much as possible.
Who would care if someone said, “I’m sick of talking to this cracker.”?
Anyway, the new polite term is The People Whose Lives Matter.
Rap music,
UNCF united negro college fund.
Didn't MLK refer to Blacks as Negros?
Priests and their acolytes are allowed to use the taboo words forbidden to the commoners.
And all those decades I donated to the United Negro College Fund.
Please God, somebody make it stop.
I call BS. "Negro" has never been an insult or derogatory term in common usage, though it has not been the preferred term in some quarters since about the late 1960s.
Reid's problem in 2008 was not about him using "Negro," it was about the implication that for a black to be articulate was unusual, ergo most blacks were not articulate.
I think Stone is a pretty nasty character, and the fact that he was railroaded doesn't chnage that. And, "why am I arguing with this ?" would be offensive no matter what word he used or what group he was talking about. And whatever Stone may have thought about "Negro" he knew he had put his foot in it as soon as he said it.
But Mo'Kelly needs to give it a rest. Or call for VA Gov. Northam's resignation for wearing blackface, which was a thing before it came out that the Lt. Gov. had also worn blackface and the next in line of succession was a Repubican, and that outrage went down as if shot in the heart.
This is all so transparently political it turns my stomach... but does not surprise me.
Has the latest edition of the Newspeak dictionary come out yet? I need to remain on the cutting-edge of wokeness.
unvarnished look into what is in the heart of many Americans today.
Diversitist dogma and this has been a progressive problem. The normalization of some, select, Black Lives Matter, 1/2 Americans, and political congruence, is just the latest forcing of an evolving cynicism.
That’s sad, but Stone is clearly a nut job. I had sympathy for him because the prosecutors used the fact that he was sort of losing his grip where anything could come out of his mouth just to get a scalp they could claim on Trump.
I grew up in a poor white neighborhood in the ‘60s where there was a lot of racist banter, and nobody ever used “negro” as some kind of scientifically dispassionate taxonomic term.
"But isn't also unfair bigotry to say Stone's use of the word gives 'an unvarnished look into what is in the heart of many Americans today?’"
Well they did use the weasel word “many.” But yeah, it’s a smear. It’s like they are trying so hard to create a white nationalist movement because their faith requires that one exist. There are 330 million Americans, there are “many” people who believe the most absurd nonsense. Just ask Crack. He rants about it daily on Twitter.
I listen to Mo Kelly on KFI often since that is the permanent station set in my car. He’s very often full of shit. Kelly also said, “[Stone] didn’t see me as a journalist, not as a professional, not a radio host … but a “Negro” first and foremost,”
I’m not defending Stone’s language since there is no ambIguity about the expected reaction to a white man using that word, but isn’t Mo’s complaint about being seen first and foremost from a racial perspective precisely what the rioters and Marxists and assorted leftie social revolutionaries are insisting upon? Isn’t the assertion loudly being made that the only significant distinction among humans should be racial?
All this WhiteManRacist horseshit is bringing out the worst in many people.
- Krumhorn
As a school teacher in an inner city school the moment I got to work and until the moment I left work I heard the word "negro" in every possible permutation there was.
My favorite was LeCharles take. He was a floating senior citizen - 15 and still in 7th grade - who wandered the school halls at will. He would visit my class most days, entering to acclamation from the students seated. He would stretch out his arms and proclaim "All you be my nigga's! You all be LeCharles' niggas!" and then continue in that vein for a minute or so to happy acknowledgement from one and all as the students promenaded out of their desks. When proper fealty had been shown he would then gracefully exit and move onto the next classroom.
He was a nice young man. I wonder what happened to him?
“If there’s a takeaway from the conversation, it is that Roger Stone gave an unvarnished look into what is in the heart of many Americans today." Which wasn’t there two months ago.
This sets up an interesting potential "Sister Soulja" moment for Trump. He can maintain that commuting Stone's sentence absolutely was the correct thing to do while simultaneously coming down forcefully against Stone's remark and casual racism. Somewhere in here is an opportunity to reorient attention from soundbites to substance.
It doesn't even give an unvarnished look into Roger Stone's heart
A reference used in isolation, that's true. This class of labels has been parroted in the press, rapped by academic elite, normalized in popular culture, leveraged by politicians, and created where it is absent by the diversity industry breeds adversity. What does the first African-American, Black... black President think? The first orange President?
Over the course of my lifetime, there have been neutral ways to refer to Blacks, but the ways keep changing. If you get caught using last year's word, you're accused of racism or, at the very least, insensitivity. I wish Black people would finally arrive at a destination regarding their identity. They're the ones who keep changing the identifier......Stone used the Negro word in a derogatory rather than descriptive way. I think Stone was arguing that his interlocutor was taking a racial identity position on Roger Stone. It was like if a Black person said that I'm done arguing with this whitey..... On the other hand, I don't have any great ability to read people's minds and, as racial slurs go, it's not intolerable. It's not like Stone wore blackface and posed with someone in KKK regalia. I get the sense that O'Kelly's levels or tolerance for racial slurs are themselves somewhat discriminatory, but, here again, I am not a mind reader.
Just more of the NYT’s crusade to smear Trump by proxy titillating the morons who a re happy to have the mediaswine pick our President.
So is the NAACP racist? The 'diet N-word' is part of their name. I.E. Negro.
What about the United Negro College Fund??
I feel like my bandwidth can't be expanded to care about Roger Stone's transgressions.
When Lewis Farrakhan speaks you also get an unvarnished look into what is in the heart of many Americans today.
What is it in O'Kelly's heart that enables him to do so?
Diversity dogma that denies individual dignity, denies individual conscience, practices affirmative discrimination, and perceives reality in color blocs. There has been progress to recycle the same old with an elitist flourish.
According to Roger Stone (speaking to GATEWAY PUNDIT):
“Anyone who listens to the broadcast will see that there was a garbled transmission. While it appears someone uses an epitaph, that was clearly not me. Anyone who understands my record of supporting the voting rights act, defense of affirmative action, thirty year opposition to the racist war on drugs and my ongoing campaign for the pardon of the early civil rights leader Marcus Garvey knows that such an expression would be antithetical to my being. It is offensive that Mr Kelly would attempt to increase his ratings through such an irresponsible charge.”
The changing goalposts of etymology is a sly ageist dig. People who grew up under one set of words for decades have a difficult time sometimes remembering not to use the word, while younger people who have never used those words have no such difficulties. Suddenly declaring award such as colored which has been perfectly acceptable for 60 years as racist will always catch older people in a far higher proportion than younger ones.
Over the years the term Black has gone in and out of favor, and then back in again. Color me confused.
Oh, so all the thrill of getting outraged at Nigger is gone, so now white women like Althouse can pretend to be outraged at Negro. The Hunt for racists is never ending and now Stone has used the word NEGRO but of course he REALLY Meant Nigger. What's next talking about "dog-whistles"?
I'm just typing out Nigger because I'm so tired of everyone acting like this is the greatest taboo word in the world. I can remember when Dick Gregory titled his book "Nigger" and no one cared.
BTW, my father used to say "colored" or "Negro" because those were the polite words for African-Americans when he was growing up. "Black" was actually considered an insult in the 1950s and to say they were "Afro-American" was to imply they weren't quite American - which was also considered insulting.
A couple days ago, Stone was Jesus to you people, now you take him out with the trash. Such is life in the Trump aggrievement cycle.
See Martha's comment above.
This would not be the first time that some member of the Aggrieved Class fabricated a story from whole cloth about an "insult." Face it: it's a pattern, in the "boy Cries WOLF!!!" genre, and there is no credibility left.
BTW, I think Stone is a complete jackwad.
Black kids I grew up with called each other "Negro" all the time. My Black ex-wife called AAs "Negro" when they were acting foolishly. It was a dismissive term for idiots who happened to be Black. It was not a racial slur.
Kudos to our White hostess for being so enlightened and sensitive about the concerns of Blacks.
One needs to be super careful when criticizing anyone who happens to be Black because all the years of oppression have made them super sensitive to what White people say.
Its interesting how every Left-wing society plays this game of "You can't say that!" complete with shunnings, punishments, and also ever-changing lists of words YOU CAN'T SAY. It seems to go together with sniffing out Counter-Revolutionaries, and show trials.
Personally, its gotten to the point where I no longer believe people doing it are sincere and are truly upset over RACISM. The true motivation is either hatred of average white people, or the desire to bully and express "moral" superiority.
Final note on Roger Stone. I thought the guy was railroaded and treated badly, so I'm glad Trump commuted his sentence and hope he gets a new trial. But he's always been a goofball, and a loose cannon. Someone called him a loud-mouthed fool, which is about right. So, I'm not willing to defend HIM on much of anything.
The Trump campaign is letting it's racist slip show.
The Judge
and The Judged
So I cant identify a group by their culture? Their culture wide position on a subject? I can't define that culture by a visible characteristic? Black Lives Matter, has nothing to do with skin color right? Its about the culture? Black is a way to notated the culture.
Or no?
Moving goalposts and all, make conversation hard.
So many words to take offense to! Let me just assert that in the real world, NOT the radio world or any universe I ever heard Mo discuss (and that station is often the only one that one can find on AM radio after dusk), when a situation arises in which “one takes offense” it is the offended one who makes the choice to BE offended and REACT to the offending gesture. Being offended to the point of angry reaction is a sign of weakness. Civilization is people tolerating each other even if it means ignoring offensive speech. The way adults handle it is stoic? My old man used to say, “They just want a rise out of you, don’t give it to them.” But that was for people trying to offend or provoke me. If Stone used it accidentally then it really should be handled with humor (“Wow you still use that word?”) to be effective, if noted at all. Going through life offended isn’t any path to mental health and stability. It’s weak.
Finding offense in “White Trash “ would make one wonder why do they. Do they have a defective self image of themselves as Trash? If not, just prove them wrong. This is everyday life.
an unvarnished look into what is in the heart of many Americans today." Which wasn’t there two months ago.
While bias is intrinsic, prejudice and bigotry is progressive, which has to be nurtured and normalized under a diversity (i.e. color judgments) paradigm. #HateLovesAbortion
the term Black has gone in and out of favor
Black and black, white black and White Black, colored people and people of color, American and African-American, and so on and so forth... some, select, Black Lives Matter and some, select Black Lives Matter.
Even if someone is an unvarnished racist, "Why am I arguing with this asshole?" is a much better construct.
there was a garbled transmission
A black hole... whore. h/t NAACP
". . . went out the window because as far as he was concerned, he was talking and arguing with a Negro"
But he WAS talking with a Negro.
The left is at war with the truth.
Trade out the word "racist" for the word "heretic" to get a better meaning for it's usage in 2020.
Acceptability of the term "negro" in contemporary conversation aside, if instead Kelly had muttered something like "arguing with this white man", if the discussion is non-racial, would be off-putting/racist as well.
this is the point,
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/07/16/mueller_and_weissmann_op-eds_greatly_at_odds_with_their_report_and_evidence_124483.html
the fact that the so called justice system in this country, can do this, is the travesty,
The radio guy claims ability to read minds of millions of people he doesn’t know — lie #1 — and then uses that false, invented information to call them all racist — lie #2.
He’s driving racist division with lies and character assassination, and his actions could be far more damaging than anything Stone said or did, but you amplified it rather than point out the problems with his “argument”.
I'm old enough to remember when it was OK to say "niggardly" and "denigrate."
I know that Roger Stone got a pardon. I don't know that I see any role for him going forward. Why am I supposed to care what he muttered?
Can I use ADOS? It's a term some of the kool kidz use. It means American Descendant Of Slavery
Michelle Obama is (with an ownership connection to Anderson Cooper)
Barrack Obama is not.
Cory Booker is
Kamala Harris is not
John Henry
This whole argument for and against using the word Negro is so confusing.
Are we supposed to recognize people have color, melanin, look different from each other....or NOT?
Which is it? Black Lives Matter, but we aren't supposed to judge people by their color.?
We are supposed to not use race or ethnicity in our judgments of people, BUT Affirmative action giving preference to people because they do have race or ethnicity is OK?
I give up.
There was a political columnist (possibly Clarence Page, I'm not sure) who wrote a column around the time "African-American" began to replace "Black" as the preferred term for black Americans. Every 25 years or so, he said, a new term came into fashion. We went from "colored" to "negro" to "black", flirted briefly with "Afro-American", and eventually came to "African-American".
But the irony, the writer thought, was that everyone understood it was just a new way to say "n*****".
"Negro" is a funny word. Think of NatLamp's ANIMAL HOUSE: "The Negroes have stolen our dates!" A guy I knew used to talk about Caucasian women "getting buggered by giant Negroes," which always made me laugh. I still prefer it to "Black," in that "Black" and "White" reduce people to skin colors, and "Negro" seemed more scientific and less emotional. I think of when my kid's-edition encyclopedia, circa 1965, showing the three races: Caucasian, Negro and Oriental. I remember "militants" (do people still use that word?) and the usual gang of "liberal" water-carriers expressing preference for "Black," precisely because it would scare The Man. Thank Galt the relatively unemotional and value-free "African-American" came along to replace "Black," and leave "Negroes" to wise-asses like me.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/18/new-york-times-report-donald-trump-russia-connections-fbi-memo-debunk/
A big part of White Male Privilege is welcoming "racist" epithets from outside the group. Because we are the world dominating culture, embracing derision from others outside the tribe is a sign of our strength and confidence. It never occurred to me that other whites would take offense, but we now see how the once mighty have fallen into Trumps little unique snowflakes.
Some of you guys must know what I'm talking about. White male culture embraces sarcasm and cutting criticism. As a newby white kid on construction sites or shop floors, you know when you are accepted when the older dudes start giving you large rations of shit. The incompetents are treated with kid gloves or threats of violence then run off. When white guys get racist shit from another race group, it's like water off a ducks back... or it should be. Just because you people are too mentally weak to accept your White Privilege doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
"he was talking and arguing with a Negro.”
That does seem like a really stupid thing to do. What's it they say, about wrestling with a pig?
He knew it was wrong. If he knew it was wrong, and it's so obviously wrong, why did he say it?
Because we're now dealing with far too many old people now, and old people often have mental issues brought about by the aging process. One of the first sections of your brain to go is the pre-frontal cortex. And what does the pre-frontal cortex control? Well, among other things, social inhibition. You know how people say "Grandma sure speaks her mind, doesn't she?". It's because Grandma can't do otherwise.
Yes, I know Stone is only 67, but different people age differently (e.g. Virginia Lee, author of the famous Chinese Cookbook, got Alzheimer's in her mid-fifties). I've heard Stone speak at length in a radio interview, and what comes across loud & clear is that Stone isn't that tightly wrapped mentally. Whether he got pushed over the edge by what he's been through or if what he's been through just aggravated previous issues, I don't know.
There are waaaaay too many old folks in positions of power now who are simply not up to it. Joe Biden springs to mind, but there are many others.
Above is why Howie should stick to 5 word or less quips.
Stone's an idiot. Still doesn't mean he should be in prison. Is he affiliated with the Trump campaign in any way?
I hope we all can learn a lesson from this. Microphones have mute buttons for a reason.
Saying, "I'm arguing with this X" is insulting because it discounts that person's personal thoughts and identity. It is rude to do this. On the other hand, the person it is said about should reflect on whether they are giving canned, rote arguments. Don't assume that the other person came into the discussion viewing you as "X", perhaps you have given them no cause to view you as an individual thinker.
Rhhardin: Not polite of you to use the “C” word for Ann. What the hell is wrong with you? Were you born in a barn?
I suspect Roger Stone made a mistake similar to the one Biden did on Charlamagne's show: he presumed too much, assumed he was down, and wound up looking like a racist, out of touch old fool. But he thought he was cool.
"Barrack Obama is not."
It's a wise child who know who his father is.
Howard, you have fully laid out the inherent white supremacy behind the concept of white privilege: these insults roll off your back because deep down, you're certain that you, as a white man, are in the superior position. That would seem to be the vantage point of most of this white fragility/1619 Project crap.
To some of us, the issue with that attitude is not that we are too snowflakey to take an insult, but that we don't embrace our racially derived privilege in the same way that you do. I am not comfortable with it, for example, because I don't think white people are better than black people, as you seem to presume is the case.
Howard
You ever wake up wishing you had been born black? If not why not?
Our fellow citizens of African ancestry have over the years demanded of the rest of us a series of exercises in hoop-jumping. They have “preferred,” in roughly chronological order: “Negro,” “Colored Person,” “Black,” “Afro-American,” (the ludicrous) “Person of Color” and “African American.” The latter is the term that Roger Stone — and all of us — are currently supposed to use. Perhaps Roger and others can do that but some of us choose not to — out of regard for language if nothing else. These are not Africans (on the contrary, black Africans feel little connection with black Americans and tend to hold them in low regard) and we are all Americans — so, you have misleading, pretentious and imprecise all rolled into one silly expression.
The term “Black” remains useful because it is succinct and it is an international generic term. But otherwise being expected to parrot the “correct” moniker-of-the-month mouthful when discussing Negroes is irksome. So I generally just stick with the correct anthropological term. It is precise, proper and respectful — and it also serves the very important purpose of preventing the possibility of anyone taking me for a politically correct tool.
A suggestion: Eschew this particular mau-mauing — these racial word games. Stop hoop-jumping. Stop playing. Stopping caring is optional — but highly recommended by someone who did that a few decades ago.
"Some of you guys must know what I'm talking about."
It would seem that, in a world with seven billion people, someone must know what you're talking about, Howard.
Is it racist to buy this book from Amazon using the Althouse portal?
https://www.amazon.com/Nigger-Autobiography-Dick-Gregory-ebook/dp/B07R8QVLB6/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2DQW53W8L3OU3&dchild=1&keywords=dick+gregory+books&qid=1595174431&s=digital-text&sprefix=dick+gregory%2Cdigital-text%2C156&sr=1-3
Dr. Martin Luther King (Jr) used the term "Negro" and that without any sense of shame or "victimhood" and that in his statement condemning violence by "Negros".
I don't always agree with Mo'Kelly, but I do like him. He's a thoughtful man and is always open for an adult discussion. He'll actually engage his listeners on facebook when they disagree with him and he provides well thought out arguments. The weird part about Roger Stone calling Mo a "negro" is that it was a radio interview and Roger Stone was not in the studio. He couldn't actually see Mo'Kelly. So calling him a "negro" was probably intended to be a racial insult and demean Mo. I'm not a big fan of criticizing people for being racially offensive when they, obviously, didn't mean to be racially offensive.But in this case, I think that Roger Stone intended to be racially offensive. If anyone wants to know more about Mo, they should check him out.
https://kfiam640.iheart.com/featured/mo-kelly/
So what is the polite, correct term today? It's Sunday.
Btw, I demand to be referred to as 'Caucasian-American' until I decide I want to be called something else.
To fail to do so will be reported to the authorities as a hate crime.
Eventually, we'll run out of "polite" words. Next up: primate.
Attention unwashed masses, you are being lectured to by a very important, accomplished, half-retarded fake Marine and Nitschke scholar. Heed his words of wisdom.
Jupiter: "It would seem that, in a world with seven billion people, someone must know what you're talking about, Howard."
Howard is working overtime to try and fit in with his leftist betters in Boston. Howard thinks that if he mouths all the right words and phrases they will pat him on the head and let him hang around without too much hassle.
"All of my professional accolades, all my professional bona fides went out the window because as far as he was concerned, he was talking and arguing with a Negro.”
I won’t defend Stone, but if you change “Negro” to “White man” you will get a pretty good description of how somebody who has worked his whole life to master some skill or other has all of that effort utterly dismissed as nothing more than a happy (for him) accident of his white skin. People say that whites can’t be racist because they hold all of the power, well, that’s not true anymore, as Howard is happy to point out, so I guess the idea that only whites can be racist goes out the window with it.
Who am I kidding, this is all a grab for power by the white left, who are driving the car, as Chapelle would put it.
This stuff is pretty funny coming from people like Howard who are constantly blathering that the problem lower class whites have is their, in his words, refusal to learn good skills, that they don’t have enough "individual merit."
The LA Times called Obama The Magic Negro.
So they were calling him a diet ni**er?
Ach, these days Negro is just the ironic form of Nigger. The beauty of it is, if you’re over fifty and you use it disingenuously enough, you can get away with it in any non-Black company. It’s the AR “arm brace’” of racial epithets.
Original Mike: "Stone's an idiot. Still doesn't mean he should be in prison. Is he affiliated with the Trump campaign in any way?"
No. He never was. But Crack doesnt know that.
I am still waiting for Crack and r/v to clue us in on which non-white race/culture was the second to use slavery, rape, murder and lying since Crack (with r/v's support) explicitly claimed whites invented slavery, murder, rape and lying and practiced those things for 300 years before anyone else did.
The above is not a joke. Crack literally asserted just that.
Cant wait to get additional details on it...
Jack Klompus: "Attention unwashed masses, you are being lectured to by a very important, accomplished, half-retarded fake Marine and Nitschke scholar. Heed his words of wisdom."
If I had to guess, I would guess Howard might have served for a couple years in the immediate post-Vietnam Marines but that would mean he saw zero action anywhere and that would explain his over compensation at Althouse for that deficit.
So...it was OK when MKL Jr. used the word.....but horrible when Stone said it.
Got it.
And I guess it's ok when rappers refer to niggahs and ho's in their so-called music.
Call it "Black Privilege".
Ice Nine said...Our fellow citizens of African ancestry have over the years demanded of the rest of us a series of exercises in hoop-jumping. They have “preferred,” in roughly chronological order: “Negro,” “Colored Person,” “Black,” “Afro-American,” (the ludicrous) “Person of Color” and “African American.”
My grandfather (born in 1892) was a farmer who likely met very few, if any Blacks. He did not know what to think about race nor did he care because he was focused on surviving the Depression. I remember visiting one Saturday in the late 60's. He was watching college football and remarked, "There are a lot of Darkies playing football football, aren't there?"
I was a leftist then and thought his comment was funny because it reflected his age, not racism.
Joe Smith said...
So what is the polite, correct term today? It's Sunday.
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heed the words of Hillary - deplorable {inclusive of white-niggers and "blacks" who get off the plantation}
Negro is not the currently preferred term for African Americans, but the word per se is not a racial slur despite claims by the Times or others.
"If there’s a takeaway from the conversation..."
And there you have it. The same stupid game - the dishonest drama. Of everything important about the Stone story, all that matters in the end is that the guy might have spoken a diet form of racism, as if that's something rare. To be obsessed with it is itself at least that same level of racism, since it only applies to people with white skin. People of all races in large numbers enjoy themselves a little diet racism. You hear it everyday from Blacks and others who imagine themselves immune to it. Everything today is "white" this and "white" that used exclusively as a pejorative. Even the highest of virtues are now degenerated because they are valued by Whites. That isn't even diet racism. It's extra strength. You either accept racism or you don't. To accept it only against one skin color is called racism.
so was the negro knowingly in the argument ? was he winning or losing the argument?
is this an excuse for losing it?
Rhhardin: Not polite of you to use the “C” word for Ann. What the hell is wrong with you? Were you born in a barn?
Try to take an interest in language. The context plays with the meaning of the word, and vice versa. Part of reading is adjusting all the vairable meanings so that the whole makes sense.
Cunt happens to be a particularly rich word, as to what it can mean. It's interesting what gets selected by its context.
Just so with negro.
rhhardin said...
Black would exclude the connotation that Stone wants, as would colored person or african american. N*gger isn't the insult he wants. He just wants to cover a mindset typical of political blacks (he could have used political black); there's no use talking to them because you have to spend all your time unframing their questions and restating them without their trap.
Negro gives him credit for intelligence, which black would not, and more or less singles out political mindset.
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So was John Lewis Negro or black or POC
"The Trump campaign is letting it's racist slip show."
Gee, a black man calling a Republican a racist. That sure doesn't happen every day. More like every 60 seconds.
Does the SCOTUS still use the word "Negro"? I wonder when that changed. The 1955 Brown v. Board uses "Negro".
It would have been funny as hell if he had said, "I don't know why I am arguing with this Mick".
- Krumhorn
"My delicate @NSAGov trained ears confirm: “ [Stone, mumbling to himself like Gollum] ...I don’t feel like arguing with this negro ...“ That only seals my professional opinion that #RogerStone is a white supremecist racist bigot whose day in prison will come sooner than he expects" ~ Malcolm Nance
Any black claiming offense about ANYTHING to do with the permentations and combinations of the N word is in jive mode. With rap using the phase every other word these days ( of course it’s claimed that it’s the -a ending version , the “ reclaimed one”) it’s entered the speech of even young white kids in a manner that would have gotten us growing up on the 60s slapped in the mouth. Somehow what was supposed to be banished from the lexicon is now in full and frankly - toxic bloom.
Oh, I get the conventional “wisdom” that it’s OK ( another loaded racist word) for blacks to fling it around, but not others. Sorry, but flinging feces pollutes all it lands on - it’s made what was bad now just another minor insult like “that’s gay”,
I wish we could agree on the definitions too since it does have graduations even in the black community. The -r ending generally is used for folks that act stupid or are the crazy ones. Even by their fellow race folks. ( oh yeah, race suddenly isn’t a social construct now when it can be weaponized.
It’s a cheap hustle frankly. Cows left long ago since the barn door was removed by the ones that should have sealed it shut.
I don’t know about the rest of you — but I’m excited to see the next bit of prepackaged stupidity we can all waste time and mental energy on!
Blogger Michael said...
"Howard
You ever wake up wishing you had been born black? If not why not?" He'd have to find his balls first.
98 comments and body noticed or questioned he "pretty frequently" has to deal with this shit.
In this non-racist country.
Hilarious.
Crack
LOL. I will kiss your ass on court square if he hears the word “pretty frequently”. You haven’t head it spoken by a white in years. Few have.
Hey Crack,
See 8:56.
I don't know what is wrong with all of these commenters. I have never in my life even come close to a racist thought, and therefore have never uttered a racist word or phrase. EZ peesy.
People screaming outrage about words.
Words.
Grow the fuck up.
Context matters, and we don't know,whatvthe beginning of the sentence was...
"In today's political climate nobody cares what an old white man thinks about race relations, so there's no point to me arguing with this negro."
"With 98% of his demographic voting straight ticket Democrat, I know I can't change anybody's vote, so there's no point to me arguing with this negro."
If the point of the comment related to the host representing a common and uninsulting attribute of a demographic to which he belongs, it makes sense to highlight that fact. The fact that Stone paused for 40 seconds doesn't necessarily mean he thought he'd done something wrong. It could just as easily mean that he knew he was trying to figure out how to not be called a racist by all the people who have overused the wors to the point that it's now meaningless.
Would it be an insult if he said "I'm arguing with this intellectual." Or, "I'm arguing with this liberal", or "Right Winger". Yes, it would be intended as dismissive, but so what? It was not designed to be heard, so not intended to actually insult the person. When you are unhappy with someone, we often do that. You call them something that is designed as dismissive, but that doesn't mean it is. The question is why would a Black man be insulted for being called a "Negro"? Is there something wrong with being one? If he called me "some white dude" (which I suspect he has done at some time to someone), or even "a cracker", I would know he meant it as dismissive, but I wouldn't be insulted by it. I am a white dude, and I'm OK with it. If he was just thinking it and saying it to himself. I'm really OK with it?
We cannot move beyond this stupid distraction of race as long as offense is what we spend our day looking for. Truly successful people do not do that, except in victim-obsessed occupations, and I wouldn't even consider that kind of success really a success at all.
The analysis is correct: "I'm arguing with a [insert any stupid thing]"
I'm arguing with a door knob, toaster, etc...
But you have to admit, that Stone is not worthy of any interview. Why are people calling him and expecting some prone arms-stretched-out begging for their approval. He doesn't give a shit about anything past his infamy.
Could it be, they are as stupid as a door knob?
Let's be honest here. The real issue is that in the 21st Century, we still can't have cell phones that work better than two cans and a string.
Why anyone would conduct an interview over a cell phone, must mean they are as stupid as a insert any stupid thing.
@ Crack - Anytime you are talking to a person with an actual tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back, you can be pretty sure the person is a bit unbalanced. Racism would be the least of my worries. That said, Roger Stone surely was muttering a racial insult. But did MO Kelly elaborate on what he is frequently dealing with? Is he often called a negro? That would be surprising. Subtle racial resentment would NOT be surprising. Do you think that is what he meant?
I don't believe his contention that he has to deal with it "pretty frequently". I believe it is exceedingly rare. Certainly far more rare than the number of racist anti-white comments I see from just one commenter on this blog, let alone from hundreds of daily public statements from people who imagine themselves and their anti-white racism is really cool and woke. Really cool, woke, racists.
"In this non-racist country. Hilarious."
Then wise up Crack...game the system if you're smart enough.
A black, 22yo graduate with a degree in science, engineering, finance etc., would have Fortune 500 companies fighting each other to hire them. They would be shipping that person pallets of cash in order to show how 'woke' they are. And with an I.Q. over 120, that graduate, over time, would end up running entire divisions of said companies.
So much for racism.
Use it to your advantage and take whitey's money while laughing all the way to the bank. It's the American way.
What is the current status of ‘coon’ or ‘jigaboo’? Still taboo?
" Because we are the world dominating culture,..."
Who is this "we"? The world does not have one culture dictated or created by any one group. It is an amalgam of things up-voted by all kinds of people because they choose to like those things, often because they work for them. The idea that your group created it or dominates it is just your own chauvinism. Music for instance is not dominated by Whites. Country is popular here, but not worldwide. Rap has a pretty strong influence worldwide without much help from White artists. In the world. The world's largest ethnic group is Han Chinese, with Mandarin being the world's most spoken language in terms of native speakers. Whites are a minority just like everyone else. The majority you imagine you are part of simply doesn't exist.
Blogger Michael said...
"Howard
You ever wake up wishing you had been born black? If not why not?"
Blogger Rusty said...He'd have to find his balls first.
Fuck no. You are right, Randy, I don't have the balls to put up with being born black, especially when I was born. Crack and I are from the same place and time. A $1M reparations cheque would not cover the difference in our lives just because I happened to be borned white in a nucular family Mom staying at home baking cookies, taking me to swim practice, the movies, the beach, the park, Baskin Robins, helping with homework, building a pool in the back yard, numerous bicycles, a garage workshop to build numerous soap box racers and gocarts, gas powered race cars and aeroplanes, a giant stash of fireworks, a neighborhood full of kids to play sports and ride bikes with all over the Valley, the cops treating you Officer Jim Reed did on Adam-12, going to stores where they knew your parents and treated you with respect, hosting barbecue parties with friends and neighbors, staying in the same house knowing the same classmates since kindergarden through highschool, getting a free ride at a UC, having your way with hot Jewish, Asian and White girls, partying irresponsibly because consequences were for other people, scuba diving, 4-wheeling, flying airplanes, skiing, backpacking, fishing, hunting without any fear or apprehension about your surroundings or the authorities.
Nearly everyone I knew growing up had this same vanilla suburban middle class southern California life.
Your G_d Damn right I don't have the balls to trade places with Crack, even with the $1M lottery ticket for the sunset years if reparations are ever passed.
".....All of my professional accolades, all my professional bona fides..."? And pray tell what are they - just another "Activist" which our society has in abundance. Why? Because the colleges produce them like an assembly line - but they only get jobs as "Baristas" at Starbucks.
@ Crack
Here's another example of virulent racism, this time in higher education.
I am associated with a major university ($65k-plus/year tuition). I give them lots of money and they invite me to nice events.
A few years ago I attended a dinner honoring some scholarship recipients at said university...seniors getting ready to graduate.
The purpose of the program was to give access and opportunities to students who have faced adversity.
Not only were they given a full ride for tuition, but they were afforded opportunities like attending this dinner to network with successful alumni. Airfare, hotel, job interviews, etc. All arranged for them and all on the university dime.
I sat next to a very nice young man who wanted to work in the IT department of a large consulting firm. He was a super nice, super sharp, very charismatic kid from a tough background. He's the kind of person who will take the opportunity and run with it.
As a result of this program and his access, he graduated with an offer in his pocket for a six-figure job at his company of choice.
The thing is, out of twenty of so kids at this dinner, twelve were black and eight Hispanic.
I guess those white kids with coal miners and janitors for fathers didn't face enough adversity or were living high on the hog in an Appalachian double-wide.
Don't get me wrong...this is a kid who would have had a tough time otherwise, and he was well-qualified for the school and the job. But my belief is economics should be driving these programs, not color.
Racist goddamn country.
Crack Emcee: "98 comments and body noticed or questioned he "pretty frequently" has to deal with this s***."
Seriously, which non-white race/culture was the next to use slavery, murder, rape and lying after watching whites exclusively do that for 300 years?
Dont hold back now Crack. We all kniw you are just bursting at the seams with historical context for that.
I cant wait for Crack to explain the Aztecs! Its gonna be lit!
Besides Crack, you have Howie of the First Antifa Support/White Self-Flagellation Brigade on your side!
Kudos.
You know, I'll bet Crack could order Howie to his knees to pledge ever-lasting allegiance to BLM and beg for forgiveness.
I like how "Negro" has suddenly become a "racial slur" in the headlines. Presumably, if he had said "Black", that would also be a "racial slur". Any racial reference is now a "slur". It does rather seem, that there is no way of referring to a Negro without at least implying that he is a Negro. Since we all know what white people think of Negroes, it's safe to assume the reference is contemptuous. I guess it all makes sense.
I remember my grandfather saying, "Aint' nothing wrong with Negro, or colored, but really, I'm just black."
It works for me too.
Don't you white people have something else to worry yourselves about?
Try to take an interest in language. The context plays with the meaning of the word, and vice versa. Part of reading is adjusting all the vairable meanings so that the whole makes sense.
Cunt happens to be a particularly rich word, as to what it can mean. It's interesting what gets selected by its context.
I'm reasonably literate, but I can't think of any context in which your statement, "It would be typical that a cunt like Althouse would object to "negro."" is anything other than crude, nasty, and unusually disparaging. Even if she were Howard, the statement, "It would be typical that a cunt like Howard would object to "negro."" would have considerably less bite, but still dismissive and othering; however, in that context, appropriate.
See what I did there?
- Krumhorn
Poor Howard. The racist. No black person ever accomplished anything without Howards help. Because they all, every one, grew up without Howards Beaver Cleaver advantages. Every one.
@Howard: Congratulations on your happy childhood. Also congratulations to all your neighbors on providing such happy childhoods to their kids. You don't often see that many happy children and all congregated in one neighborhood. No drunks, no eating disorders, no marriages collapsing in recriminations and bitterness. Just happy families basking effortlessly in white privilege...My white experience was somewhat different, but good for you for having such a happy childhood in such a happy valley......How much do you think a kid in a Kenyan refugee camp would be willing to pay to swap with his counterpart in Harlem? White privilege is not the only form of privilege extant on the earth's surface.
No doubt Stone intended it as a slur. But I'm old enough to remember when Negro, Colored, Black, and African-American were each in their time not only acceptable, but the preferred way to refer to Blacks in America.
You ever wake up wishing you had been born black? If not why not?"
I have frequently wished I had been born a fat black guy named Oscar Peterson, Jr. My second choice would to be born a blind fat black guy named Art Tatum.
- Krumhorn
"Don't you white people have something else to worry yourselves about?"
Actually we do, but blacks and guilt-ridden whites keep banging on about this. You're black, get over it.
There is an unspoken word in Stone's comment. No, not that one. “Uppity.” That's the implication.
Hardin in the second comment makes an interesting argument. In the UK there are people called “professional northerners”. Hardin suggests that Stone was using “Negro” in that sense. Possibly, and possibly mitigating. Still prejudiced imo. The key word in the Brit phrase is “professional”.
So is calling a white person a cracker, redneck, or honkie a biggie now? No?
"There is an unspoken word in Stone's comment. No, not that one. “Uppity.” That's the implication."
While I abhor the grievance culture of SJW African Americans, I do believe that his tone was most likely meant to be dismissive and/or insulting. So not a good look.
Krumhorn said...
"I have frequently wished I had been born a fat black guy named Oscar Peterson, Jr. My second choice would to be born a blind fat black guy named Art Tatum. "
I call bullshit.
Want their talent? Sure.
Live their lives? Please.
Both of them would've given everything to feel the level of freedom I enjoy.
I really do think Krumhorn just proved how little appreciation you guys have for what we're talking about here.
Part of my privileged W/white middle class upbringing was getting what I now think of as "The Talk."
No, not at all what you think. In this case our father was years dead, and my older bro (asshoe that he was) had this bit of hard-earned knowledge to impart-- jail is the only important institution in America where the Jiboney outnumber the white boys and don't you ever forget it.
One of the few favors he ever did for me; I wasn't exactly scared straight but I was very very careful. Usually.
Narr
I had visited him in several local pokeys
Just call him a "fogsniffer" and be done with it.
Give him something to really get upset about
John Henry
Crack, assuming that's your picture....if this really were the rabidly racist country you say it is, you would have been ID'ed and hunted down by now.
But deep down you know you are safe.
Admit it.
I'm reasonably literate, but I can't think of any context in which your statement, "It would be typical that a cunt like Althouse would object to "negro."" is anything other than crude, nasty, and unusually disparaging. Even if she were Howard, the statement, "It would be typical that a cunt like Howard would object to "negro."" would have considerably less bite, but still dismissive and othering; however, in that context, appropriate.
See what I did there?
Barthelme has an excellent short chapter in Snow White showing the context-dependence of cunt, dismissive but certainly not disparaging.
Snow White quote
Calling a man a cunt picks out instead the British meaning, an unpleasant and unreliable person.
"The cunt Althouse" is handy for making the point about negro, in that you can notice the experience of picking out the right meaning for the word based on the meaning it gives the sentence. Something like closed-minded going the woman's typical way in a dispute ("that's not funny" turned into "that's not something to be interested in"). Authority based on some other attribute. "I am a woman and so have exquisite feelings." "Always be nice."
So what could negro mean in this context, given the alternatives for negro. What connotation did he want to avoid to favor this one. It's nothing about skin color, except insofar as the guy himself is aligning with the black political position, which is what he wanted to pick out.
The hypothetical guy who said it, if this guy didn't in fact. I myself would stand behind it even if I didn't, just to make the point that fainting at a literal word without even trying to see what its function is, is idiotic. There's no free speech if that happens.
The actual problem is the low literacy rate of mobs. Unable to understand what is said, as if it didn't matter.
Howard's childhood sounds pretty nice.
Of course, it sounds nothing like mine.
Also, get off my continent.
"If there’s a takeaway from the conversation, it is that Roger Stone gave an unvarnished look into what is in the heart of many Americans today."
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If there's a takeaway from that naked assertion, it is that its author has extrapolated a comment by ONE old guy onto about 200 million white Americans, and clairvoyantly seen into their hearts.
Pure unalloyed bullshit.
I remember back in the day when the"obligatory negroe" appeared in TV commercials. Won't be long before we have " obligatory whiteys". And the first all Arab/ Muslim Mars mission lifted off today, looking for another desert wasteland to populate. GOOD LUCK!
'Negro' was the word the non-white teachers required us to know and use when I was in junior high and high school (I am younger than our hostess and Mr. Stone). I wonder if they knew at the time they were indoctrinating us with the diet version of the N-word.
@rhhardin: I would be more sympathetic to your argument if Stone had made an effort to defend himself, but he didn't so I am not.
@Crack...
Read one of my previous posts.
A clean, articulate black man with a decent IQ and lack of a Negro dialect can go very far in this country...he might even get to be President.
Damn racist country.
I would not want to be born Black, but not because of the racism of others, but because of all the extra excuses I could avail myself of instead of doing what I needed to. In other words, I would have my own racism of low expectations to hold me back. Challenges put in your way by others are nothing compared to those you erect yourself.
Who wants to keep score? Here’s a pro tip: my Black friends are hypersensitive to being patronized and to being insulted—and they decide when they have been patronized and when they have been insulted.
Unfortunately, some of them also like to play Calvinball.
There is nothing wrong with the term "Negro", regardless of what the fainting Hostess hear thinks. As someone else pointed out, we had 8 treasonous years of The Magic Negro. I'll use words I think are appropriate and if you object in outlandish outrage, you're just a wee cunt IMO.
THEOLDMAN
The blatant hypocrisy of this blogger and so many others when "nigga" and "nigger" are thrown around in common song and parlance is on full display. Now that BLM and the Left, which the Hostess is a charter feMALE member of, has made "white" a slur, well, they can kiss my pink ass.
The actual problem is the low literacy rate of mobs.
The mob effect is a convergence problem, ideally seeking the greatest common divisor to sustain solidarity, but more often falling to a lower level as em-pathetic appeals take precedence.
The Crack Emcee said...
I really do think Krumhorn just proved how little appreciation you guys have for what we're talking about here.
It's amusing how many racists believe others should follow their moral code.
GingerBeer said...
No doubt Stone intended it as a slur.
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what is the difference between slur and ad hominem?
"It would be typical that a cunt like Althouse would object to "negro."" is anything other than crude, nasty, and unusually disparaging.
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what if her objection to Negro is preliminary precursor to the disparaging (not to his benefit) of what was done to Stone by USA legal system
I had a 6th grade student who was offended because he saw the Niger River on a map. Some grown-ups are no more knowledgeable than he was. And never get better.
I listened to the interview and three things are interesting:
1) The two have a history
2) The muttering off phone aside by Stone occurs at about the 12 minute mark after the two have been arguing. Stone is obviously so upset, he stops talking for about a minute and then...
3) the interview goes on for another 15 minutes, like nothing has happened.
People forget that Roger Stone is a Northeastern Liberal Republican.In 1995, Stone was the president of Republican Senator Arlen Specter's campaign for the 1996 Republican presidential nomination. And he later in the interview, he starts quoting his books on Nixon and jabbering about how "Racist" Nixon's anti-crime stance was and what a failure the 1994 crime bill was.
My take away is that given the subject matter, namely himself and his conviction, commutation, Stone got frustrated and angry, blurted out "Why am I talking to this Negro?" and then went silent for 2 minutes till he could recover. Too bad, because he gave his enemies EXACTLY what they wanted.
But then as I said, Stone is a fool, and only got convicted because he decided to talk to Congress, and tell "clever" fibs that he thought were perjury proof. If you look at his Biography he's never really done anything important. He wasn't even a major player in the Trump campaign.
Not the first time Stone has stepped on his dick.
In March 2007,David Ehrenstein's "Obama the Magic Negro" appropriately appeared in the LA Times, telling us that someone had slipped a cinematic whopper into Wiki:
The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk culture, coined by snarky 20th century sociologists, to explain a cultural figure who emerged in the wake of Brown vs. Board of Education. “He has no past, he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist,”
Who can forget Rush Limbaugh playing Paul Shanklin's "Barack the Magic Negro" on his radio show?
Birkel said...
"Howard's childhood sounds pretty nice.
Of course, it sounds nothing like mine."
Mine either. Typical lefty thinking though.
wholelottasplainin' said...
"Crack, assuming that's your picture....if this really were the rabidly racist country you say it is, you would have been ID'ed and hunted down by now.
But deep down you know you are safe.
Admit it."
I've been in lockdown for well over a year now - in hiding from people on the left and right - so that's how familiar you are with my life.
And, as someone recently mentioned, that photo's 20 years old - I've gone grey - so, good luck with that.
Oso Negro said...
"@ Crack - Anytime you are talking to a person with an actual tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back, you can be pretty sure the person is a bit unbalanced. Racism would be the least of my worries."
I know - I'm actually a fan of Roger Stone as a scoundrel - it's these partisan dickheads, who keep trying to put me in their stupid conservative talking point boxes, framing me as having some beef with the guy for being a racist.
I know where I live.
BTW - nobody cares how callous you guys are to our feelings on any of this:
America's gonna change.
Stone did not think he was hurting O'Kelly.
He was just signifying to the base.
Narayanan: In short, the slur is an attack on a person intended to insult them or damage their reputation. An ad hominem is meant also as an insult, but directed at them to avoid the argument they've made or position they hold. I haven't listened to the Stone's interview with O'Kelly, but the context seems to be dismissive of O'Kelly, not a retort to any specific argument made by him. I'll stick with slur.
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