“Senators are elected to make tough choices. We are required to study the facts of each issue before us and exercise our independent judgment in keeping with the oaths we take. The gravity of this moment, the seriousness of the charges, and the implications for future presidencies and Congresses all contributed to the difficulty with which I have arrived at my decision," Jones said in a statement.I assume that's it for Doug Jones as a Senator from Alabama.
ADDED: I guess he was already expecting to lose his seat, which he took over when Jeff Sessions got up for a moment to go be Attorney General. Jeff's ready to sit down again, so it was time to get up and out of there anyway.
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This is when I wish we were British and free to call someone a cunt. I'd have used it 3 times today already [for Jones, Dowd and Pelosi].
I assume that's it for Doug Jones as a Senator from Alabama.
The voters will kill him November if he votes to convict.
The Left will kill him right now if he votes to acquit.
Either way, he's screwed.
i believe, the expression is:
Damned if you Do, Damned if you Don't
What a bunch of hooey.
Jeff wants his seat back. It was all already overdetermined.
My guess is that Jones already knows he has next to no chance of winning the upcoming election, now that the GOP has enough credible candidates to prevent Roy Moore from being the likely opponent.
What is link between Doug Jones and Richard Jewell?
Jeff wants his seat back. It was all already overdetermined.
They’re idiots if they put him back in.
" The gravity of this moment, the seriousness of the charges, and the implications for future presidencies and Congresses all contributed to the difficulty with which I have arrived at my decision,"
Bullshit. If he were at all concerned with implications for future presidencies and congress, he would vote to acquit. And what the fuck is "seriousness of the charge? That has no bearing on innocence or guilt. Ugh.
I guess he was already expecting to lose his seat
I suppose it's easy to fall on one's sword if one has terminal cancer.
Tank Abrams must be one of his advisors.
His only real friends are the white left, not the people of Alabama, so naturally he will side with them.
"When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you've got no secrets to conceal
How does it feel, ah how does it feel?
To be on your own, with no direction home
Like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone."
~ Bob Dylan
I wonder what he was promised ?
It is tough to convict your political opponents.
Not everyone has the backbone to do that.
We are lucky to have Democrats.
“Senators are elected to make tough choices."
Apparently that means doing whatever Schumer wants 100% of the time.
Chris: "And what the fuck is "seriousness of the charge?"
"The seriousness of the charge" was first used as a rhetorical/political trick/ploy by the democratics and lefty media when it was used to call for investigation into Reagan over the hoax "October Surprise" lefty/LLR-lefty lie that Reagan had conspired with the Ayatollah to purposely hold American hostages longer in order to help Reagan beat Carter.
Essentially, treason. Sound familiar?
The democrat Speaker of the House and other democrat leaders admitted that there was not a single shred of actual evidence that anything like this occurred. However, they then argued the "seriousness of the charge" REQUIRED them to investigate.
This is the genesis of the dems making official their future plans to always go after any and all republicans not on evidence but on any charge they deemed seriousness enough.
Neat huh?
Even better for dems, those "serious" evidence-free charges can be culled from anonymous media reports.
Sounding more familiar now, isnt it?
So the dems and their deep state pals work together to plant stories in the lefty press and whammo! Investigation!!
And when nothing real is found in these "investigations", well! That just means there's a coverup.
Sounding extremely familiar now, isn't it?
Adios muchacho. The folks in Alabama won't miss you.
"seriousness of the charge?"
Guilty by way of accusation.
The dreaded lose-lose situation.
Again, the myth of the "Moderate Democrat". Whenever they're given a choice between obeying Leftist Chuck Schumer and being "Moderate Democrat" they choose the former. Voting in lockstep - the people of Alabama might as well voted for Bernie sanders given Jones' voting pattern.
Lets see what WV Joe -the other Fake Moderate - does.
Sometimes you just have to put principle over party -- so I'm going to vote with all the other Democrats.
He's after dem creds for later use.
Bye!! Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!!!
I'm Full of Soup said...
This is when I wish we were British and free to call someone a cunt. I'd have used it 3 times today already [for Jones, Dowd and Pelosi].
2/5/20, 10:27 AM
And you are right on all three of them!!!.....
Whenever the pressure is off, the moderate D's vote left.
Whenever the pressure is off, the moderate R's vote left.
Interesting.
Jeff wants his seat back. It was all already overdetermined.
I always wonder what people mean by overdetermined.
"I guess he was already expecting to lose his seat". Kind of sad that we all assume and know that there is no such thing as acting on principle in the US Congress.
"Made it ma! Top of the World!!!"
"the seriousness of the charges" Some crimes are so heinous that innocence is no defense.
Seems to me it was a stupid move. Doug might actually have a shot if he voted against the obvious scam.
Now - pffft. He's toast.
i'm not sure i understand?
Didn't Chuck; who, after all, is a Life Long Republican, explain to us, that if President Trump wasn't removed; that EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN SENATOR would be voted out of office?
And, After all, Chuck isn't Just a LLR, he's a Party Member! That means he's SUPER SMART!
BUT!
If EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN SENATOR will be voted out of office....
WHY is a DEMOCRAT planning on leaving???
Like i say, i'm not sure i understand.... Chuck? Could you explain this to me??
thanx!
Jones will be crushed in November. His vote today is simply to keep his D/lefty creds intact.
remember he was the one who detained Richard jewell and let eric Rudolph go, there's a reason rosie O'Donnell, donated to him and conor lamb,
I always wonder what people mean by overdetermined.
In algebra it means you have more equations than variables. it can lead to contradictions.
o a^2+b^2=25
o a^2-b^2=7
o a=4,b=3 is the ONLY solution to first 2 eqns
o a-b=2 overdetermines and contradicts
either you have more data than you need or some of it (or your model) is bogus
Skeptical Voter said...
Adios muchacho. The folks in Alabama won't miss you.
The folks in Alabama are responsible for this. This is on them.
He doesn't have a chance to get reelected anyway, so this was an obvious decision for him. He was free to vote his "conscience," i.e., to please liberals and CNN/MSNBC viewers. He'll be a paid contributor on those cable news networks and he'll also land a cushy sinecure at some university. This was a no-brainer.
The other two Democrats thought to be on the fence, Manchin and Sinema, are safe from reelection until 2024. So they'll just do what they think is right. I expect Manchin will acquit because he likes Trump and in any event West Virginia overwhelmingly wants Trump to stay in power. Sinema, who knows? She's fairly clever and obviously likes to have influence with Republicans. So I don't think she'll vote to convict. Can she abstain?
BleachBit-and-Hammers: "Seems to me it was a stupid move. Doug might actually have a shot if he voted against the obvious scam.
Now - pffft. He's toast."
I'm guessing Jones doesn't think he has a chance and he has probably been promised a job in a potential democrat administration should LLR-lefty Chuck's beloved dems win the election.
gspencer said...
Jones will be crushed in November. His vote today is simply to keep his D/lefty creds intact.
And by credibility you mean some lobbying job to repay his loyalty to the corrupt DC machine.
He is a slime.
DC should be razed.
I'm old enough to remember when the Mueller investigation was going on and the Democrats were all fantasising about arresting Trump and sending him to jail. Good times!
Remember these people are not voting to remove the president because he committed any crimes or did anything wrong.
They are impeaching him to stop the investigations into their corruption.
If Synema votes to convict she is a traitor and party to that corruption whether she has nice tits or not.
Alabama loses big time. And today UGA nailed down the #1 college football recruiting class. It's about time for Nick Saban to switch careers and run for office in Alabama.
’The folks in Alabama are responsible for this.’
I guess you forgot McConnell saying the Senate may not even seat Moore if he were elected. There was a lot of interference from The Swamp in that election.
’It's about time for Nick Saban to switch careers and run for office in Alabama.’
Saban is a democrat, so no thanks.
I guess you forgot McConnell saying the Senate may not even seat Moore if he were elected. There was a lot of interference from The Swamp in that election.
I forgot nothing.
Alabamans knew Roy Moore, knew he was being smeared, and elected a democrat.
Maybe the good folks of Alabama want to forget, but I'm not that charitable.
How did ‘they’ know he was being smeared, Browndog? I voted for Moore, but it was uncomfortable - and I tend to dismiss political hit jobs.
the swamp spent 30 million against moore, then they drank Gloria alred's tainted milk, so delusion,
If Jones does not vote to convict he loses in a primary for his Senate seat.
Alabama Democrats hate Trump too.
What I find intriguing is whether Trump will campaign for a Session opponent in the GOP primary.
Didn't Sessions cause enough headaches already? Stay the fuck home!
Jones knows he can't win, nor impact the 67 super majority required to remove, so why not stay true to his Democratic Tribe. Especially, since he needs Dem money to run.
Blogger narciso said...
the swamp spent 30 million against moore, then they drank Gloria alred's tainted milk, so delusion,
If by swap you're referring to Cocaine Mitch, that's correct. Trump should feel some level of regret too for letting McConnell talk him into endorsing his guy before the primary.
I'm pointing to the absurdity of spending 30 million in a red state primary, that's just bad juju,
So when Warren, Sanders and any others running for president vote against Executive privilege and judicial review of subpoenas, will they commit to responding to all "subpoena" requests from congress? How can anyone in their right mind vote for the second article in this impeachment?
The seat should go to Mo Brooks. Sessions is way past his sell-by date.
I always wonder what people mean by overdetermined.
As phunktor points out, the term has a well-defined meaning in mathematics. How Althouse means it may or may not be analogous.
Trad Guy said, "Alabama loses big time. And today UGA nailed down the #1 college football recruiting class. It's about time for Nick Saban to switch careers and run for office in Alabama."
Ha ha.
He could run against former Auburn coach, Tommy Tuberville
I'm guessing Jones doesn't think he has a chance and he has probably been promised a job in a potential democrat administration should LLR-lefty Chuck's beloved dems win the election.
Yes but what is with Romney ? I assume this was McCain level spite but why ? I might send a small donation to the guy in Utah trying to start a recall.
The only chance Jones had of winning another term was (a) to switch parties or (b) run against Roy Moore again. Apparently, he had enough principles to stay a Democrat and, given Moore or anyone like Moore is not going to be the Republican nominee, he is almost certainly going to lose and probably lose badly. Most likely he is voting the way that he best sees still having a future career in politics.
Frankly, he should be thrilled he was ever the Senator from Alabama in the first place.
The Times says the impeachment vote in the Senate is beginning at 1600 their time. They are covering their bases: "Vote Is Still Likely to Be Largely Along Party Lines".
Browndog said:
"Alabamans knew Roy Moore, knew he was being smeared, and elected a democrat."
Alabamians know Roy Moore at lot better than you d;, they know he was impeached twice as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court because he violated his oath of office, they know he is an embarrassment to the state and that we had a choice between having him elected and, given the advantages of the incumbent, probably be stuck with him for many years to come, or have to put up with Jones for a couple of years. Jones was always a dead man walking, and this vote just puts the final nail in his coffin. His only chance was to lay very low, vote against his party on significant issues, and hope enough Alabamians were fooled into thinking he wasn't going to immediately revert to being a solid Democrat vote for the next 6 years. Pelosi screwed any hope Jones had by going forward with a sham impeachment that was doomed to fail from the start.
I don't know whether the allegations of sexual misconduct against Moore are true or not, but he is a demagogue who I'm glad will never be a US Senator from my state.
Brown Dog nails it.
"I always wonder what people mean by overdetermined."
In humanityspeak I think it means that an outcome has at least two independent sufficient causes. So the election of Jones can be implemented by two independent actions A,B that if A implies election then election implies B then B implies election and election implies A thus A and B cant be independent, contradiction--- so this implies impossibility??? Am I woke yet?
"I wonder what he was promised ?"
Vote our way, and we won't suicide you.
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