"But as his campaign has become an unexpected obstacle to the left’s favored candidates, these deliberate paragraphs have become reliable rage objects. Excoriating Buttigieg’s comments, a Vice headline cried that 'Buttigieg’s Version of America Is Basically a Caste System.' Days later, addressing students at Grinnell College, Buttigieg was assailed for his higher-education plan and accused of 'spreading lies.' Activists unfurled banners reading 'Wall Street Pete' and 'Youth to Pete: You will kill us.' ('"You will kill us"?' Buttigieg said. 'That’s really mean.')... The Buttigieg backlash... is most intense within his own cohort of young, mostly white, college-educated liberals, who are torn between a mounting discomfort with their own privilege and an instinctive comfort with their own class.... Buttigieg... calls to mind... a type of young person who flooded eagerly into politics in the early Obama years: the emotive, irony-deficient millennial, shaped by generational traumas (the financial crisis, Iraq and Afghanistan) but not embittered or radicalized by them, excited by abstractions like hope and change.... [The new left that evolved out of Obama's base is] in direct conflict with Mayor Pete, one of their own who seems not to have evolved much at all.... The gravitational center of the rage against Buttigieg has been Very Online, as has the maximalism of its tone — its insistence that Buttigieg, by thriving within the American architecture of capitalism and privilege, must personally embody all its worst qualities. On left Twitter, it is axiomatic that Buttigieg is not merely a relentlessly ambitious striver but an actual 'sociopath.'"
From
"How the Internet Came to Loathe Pete Buttigieg" by Charles Homans (in the NYT).
ADDED: The top-rated comment at the NYT is from Rick Shenkman:
I love the fact that young people are impatient with the status quo, but seriously, do they believe that the possession of a good idea is tantamount to seeing it implemented? As a presidential historian I have been studying politics for decades. One thing is clear. Democrats implement big changes when they rack up large majorities in both houses of Congress and control the presidency. Only then. As no one expects the Democrats to win in a landslide in 2020 it’s delusional to think that we’re going to see changes on the order of the New Freedom, New Deal or Great Society anytime soon.
Mayor Pete realizes this. Beating up on him for being a realist is crazy.
पोस्ट्स
१३८ टिप्पण्या:
"Buttigieg was assailed for his higher-education plan."
He should be assailed for *having* a higher education plan. This is not something there should be a politically determined national policy about, nor government control over.
"Very Online". "Maximalism". Please, give me Breitbart. Deconstructing Breitbart articles could prove more interesting than you might suppose. I would guess the Althouse commentariat runs about 90-10 Breitbart vs. NYT.
I’m curious how those white college liberals of that age were traumatized by Iraq and Afghanistan. By seeing them on television because Consuela forgot to turn back to Disney Channel before she turned the TV off?
I bet she was fired for that...
@rehajm - Amen to that. I wonder how many parents of United States Marine infantrymen voted for Obama?
What a load of batshit crazy buzzwords.
But, hell, it's the same Marxist nonsense that led the prof to embrace batshit crazy buzzwords like "sexism" and "homophobia."
It's an affliction of youth.
Encouraging to watch the Marxists cannibalizing one of their own, however.
Obama + Butteredegg: compare and contrast.
1. Butteredegg is not Black. Obama, maybe and maybe not.
2. From what little I have observed, Butteredegg seems not as immoral and mean-spirited as Obama.
I love the fact that young people are impatient with the status quo...
The status quo is pretty damned good.
Record DOW. Growth. Peace and prosperity. With Trump as president, the adults are in charge.
This "transformational change" bit every four years is psychotic. Radically re-altering everything every four years is a sure way to create chaos and destroy the foundations of decent society.
This is destructive nihilism, not some kind of moral position.
Gay in the way.
Pete's a victim of bad timing: the gay in the way.
Nobody else is gonna say it, but (in case no one noticed) blacks are making a reparations push, but gays started sucking up all the Civil Rights air in the room, so with Pete now distracting the nation's interest from us even further (He's GAY!) he's put himself....in the way...so he ain't gettin' no play. As Jesse Jackson would say. Hey. It has nothing to do with his being gay (!) except in the recognition they can be as rude and narcissistic as the French, so - because of their self-interest - they failed to recognize the highjacking of another's movement is hardly appreciated, especially when it doesn't advance blacks one inch in the direction intended. Or, put another way:
Bayard Rustin was a soldier in Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s movement - not the other way around.
... but gays started sucking up all the Civil Rights air in the room...
It was women like Althouse who did this first with their keening and wailing over the suffering of tenured professors making big bucks.
The gay bit was a successor program to benefit the sons of oppressed tenured professors making big bucks.
Well, Obama did a great job re-working the college loan system and our health care system. Surely Democrats making big changes when they are in control is spectacular! It gives the next Democrat something to run against.
Can't he wave his commie father at them?
Obama spoke complete sentences he read off a telprompter well. His ability without a script is less impressive.
The gay bit was a successor program to benefit the sons of oppressed tenured professors making big bucks.
Sounds bitchy, Shouting Thomas -- are you sure you're not fruitalicious?
AA> Beating up on him for being a realist is crazy.
Most of what the left does is crazy.
Sounds bitchy, Shouting Thomas -- are you sure you're not fruitalicious?
Well, yeah... Everybody has their kink. Mine isn't fudge packing.
But haven't you noticed that the prof saves all her civil rights energy for stuff that pays off for her and her son?
She's not unique here. Identity politics literally forces us all to become asshole champions of our own category out of self defense.
That's the poison of identity politics.
This Butt Egg guy exists solely because of identity politics. "We gotta elect a gay," for whatever reason that has nothing to do with the requirements of office.
Haven't you noticed that the prof saves all her civil rights energy for stuff that pays off for her and her son?
I seem to remember Dick Cheney doing the same for his daughter and somehow the Republic survived.
If he's a democrat he's an idiot. Paragraphing doesn't help.
Barack Obama in 2008: “Time to end the tyranny of oil”; “In my administration, the rise of the oceans will begin to slow"
Calm and deliberate, and full of shit.
Note to top commenter Rick Shenkman: We're still reeling from Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and LBJ's plans for The Greater Good. And this is the reason the US citizenry usually makes sure that one party does not control the House, Senate, and White House at the same time. Except in California which is struggling to keep the lights on.
arnest Prole said...
Haven't you noticed that the prof saves all her civil rights energy for stuff that pays off for her and her son?
"I seem to remember Dick Cheney doing the same for his daughter and somehow the Republic survived."
Yeah, but blacks didn't very well - which is the fucking point.
I live in a time when whites BRAG that Trump is providing us jobs - ignoring the situation of the previous 100 years. I wonder when they'll notice we didn't have HOMES either during all that time, and how long it'll be before American whites are brutally celebrating THAT milestone in American history by also telling us to be grateful it's happened at all?
As Charlie Brown used to say, "I can't stand it,..."
My energy plan is lay a gyroscope across a circular railroad track around the north pole, and take energy from the differential rotation between earth and gyroscope.
Any physics student can say it can't work but might be at a loss to say exactly how it doesn't work.
Nevertheless a democrat could propose it, along with all the other plans that can't work but whose failure mode isn't obvious.
I'm fairly certain that the Althouse blog once had a discussion of Tom Wolfe's "I am Charlotte Simmons." Buttigieg bears a strong resemblance to the character Adam Gellin -- A brilliant student interested in public policy and a career in public life, who sees his perfect career arc as Rhodes Scholar, job with McKenzie, then elected office (or failing that powerful bureaucrat).
Also, this post sent me to wikipedia where I learned: "In 2000, he won first prize in the ... Profiles in Courage essay contest. ...The subject of his winning essay was the integrity and political courage of then U.S. Representative Bernie Sanders of Vermont ."
Sounds like the Times gas decided Buttigieg is the next flavour of the month:
“Like Barack Obama before him”—only in the most meaningless sense of “before him.” It suggests some closer connection that doesn’t exist.
“the emotive, irony-deficient millennial, shaped by generational traumas (the financial crisis, Iraq and Afghanistan) but not embittered or radicalized by them,”—that makes me like him more. More than those other idiots, anyway.
blacks didn't very well - which is the fucking point
Thanks for the insight -- I had never really considered that if fags are treated like human beings, blacks will suffer most.
“shaped by generational traumas (the financial crisis, Iraq and Afghanistan)”
Give me a fucking break.
I had never really considered that if fags are treated like human beings, blacks will suffer most.
Civil rights are apparently a fixed pie. There is only so much to go around. And if you’re the last ones at the table, or can’t run as fast as teh gheyz, well, you’re SOL.
The Democrat party is currently under the control of its most extreme left members. That is going to continue for at least two more election cycles. The problem the DNC faces is that nobody told their base that its all a grift.
That quoted section... those people he describes are self-loathing and out of touch with reality.
Take a nice long walk in nature sometime and listen to the birds sing, or something. Quit living in those fevered dreams in your head so much. Good Lord...
rhhardin's energy plan (gyroscopes on trains) sounds a bit like Tesla's plan to build pyramids to transmit electic power (or something?). Perhaps the two ideas could be combined.
The air was sucked out of the civil rights energy for blacks, first, because women (especially white women), and then gays who also wanted a some of the giveaway action, and they got it. Must suck to be black.
Thanks for the insight -- I had never really considered that if fags are treated like human beings, blacks will suffer most.
The great persecution of the gays, like the great persecution of the women, is and always has been a bullshit lie.
10s of thousands of gay men in the 70s an 80s died when they were still young men.
They died of AIDS. They did not die at the hands of murderous roving gangs of hetero men.
These bullshit lies are very tiresome, and they have the added odious attribute of scapegoating hetero men for something they didn't do. Gay men killed themselves with their sexual behavior.
Transforming the AIDS epidemic into a martyrdom myth for gay men is a savage, preposterous lie.
... and even fake Indians wanted in on the giveaway action.
Why is it necessary to shoehorn opinions into three narrow and frankly bizarre categories? Option One makes the respondent sound like the most puritanical populist bluestocking — feed your high-tone donors like GI recruits in a WWII tent city training camp (Snap it up. Shake the lead. Snap it up. Shake the lead.) else risk the ire of the Levelers. Number Two is the polar opposite. The respondent seems to channel Dianna Wintour — nothing's too good for the beautiful, wonderful people who really count in this silly democracy. The coastal elite rules and must always rule. Option Three — the respondent is clearly mad and off his meds.
What kind of name if Buttigieg? I know his father is from Malta, and the Maltese are supposed to be Greek, but Buttigieg isn't like any kind of Greek name I ever heard. If you ask me, Buttigieg looks a little Turkish. If I were a secret Turk agent with Islamic leanings, I'd try to pass myself off as a single Malt gay. Can Buttigieg prove he's not Turkish? There are things to his story that don't quite add up.
I'd try to pass myself off as a single Malt gay.
I like your rye sense of humor.
Buttigieg. It's obviously a made up gay word.
cohort of young, mostly white, college-educated liberals, who are torn between a mounting discomfort with their own privilege and an instinctive comfort with their own class
What a terrible trio of self-pity, self-loathing, and self-righteousness. White liberals must be some of the most pathetically masochistic people on the planet.
Earnest Prole said...
"Thanks for the insight -- I had never really considered that if fags are treated like human beings, blacks will suffer most."
Possible mass grave from 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre found by researchers
it's hardly Stonewall, but I think it will work well to show how long, and badly, blacks have been suffering while gays pretty much went on their lives in comparitive luxury, taking advantage of poor blacks in any way they could. And that last point can't be stressed enough:
No group that uses black poverty as an aphrodesiac should expect our complete solidarity when it comes to identifying "human beings".
The answer, Crack, on an individual level, is to cease engaging in martyrdom mythology.
There's no doubt that some blacks have been killed because of their race.
And, every other race, nationality, sex, etc., has its own list of martyrs and villains.
The individual gains absolutely nothing by marinating in his tribe's martyrdom mythology.
In fact, that's a negative that fucks up your life.
Shouting Thomas said...
"The answer, Crack, on an individual level, is to cease engaging in martyrdom mythology."
Jesus Christ, I'm trying to avoid talking to you, but you get this one try:
In 1921 there was the Tulsa Race Massacre. People were killed. People who had families. Breadwinners and buinesses were destroyed forever - by their community and country.
There is NO FREE RIDE for that.
it is not martyrdom to say that - it is my responsibility. It is not mythology - it happened - and will be paid for.
This country is a country - and it has obligations and responsibnilities to the citizens it's damaged.
If you don't see that, then I can't help you.
No group that uses black poverty as an aphrodesiac should expect our complete solidarity when it comes to identifying "human beings".
I probably shouldn't ask about the Jooos.
Not to mention the Native Americans.
@Crack
OK. Fester in it.
I don't do that. I have my reasons that would justify festering in resentment and martyrdom anguish.
But, I have better things to do.
Find something better to do with your life than focusing on this bullshit. Talking to you is like talking to a drug addict who refuses to acknowledge he's a drug addict.
Racial resentment is your drug.
Earnest Prole said...
"I probably shouldn't ask about the Jooos."
Better not. You'll get an earful.
Shouting Thomas said...
"OK. Fester in it.
I don't do that."
You also aren't black, don't have a black family, or black friends, and wasn't raised in the black culture, so fuck off.
Fuck off, yourself, Crack.
You are aware, however, chump, that this telling people to fuck off is a lifelong habit of yours that has been killing you?
So, keep festering in the bullshit.
No, I won't kiss your fucking black ass.
What a fucking self-destructive dumb chump you are.
@Crack
Your posts on Althouse, chump, have been a decade long illustration of why you always fuck up.
Lack of civil rights is not what holds blacks back. It’s lack of intelligence and impulse control.
@J. Farmer
Problems that likely will be solved with genetic repair of embryos in the near future.
The solutions, surprisingly, is likely to be technology.
Shouting Thomas said...
"Fuck off, yourself, Crack.
You are aware, however, chump, that this telling people to fuck off [who oppose the very thing your people raised you to do] is a lifelong habit of yours that has been killing you?"
Funny, but I seem to be very much alive - long past expectations - so, you're even wrong there. You're delusional, especially in thinking any black person wants or needs your "help" when nobody asked for it. It's just rude, arrogant, silly, and a waste of time:
Should I get "advice" from someone practically opposing my existence? Tough call.
I think I'll settle for saying "Fuck off" instead.
Now go away, ST. I will not be addressing your dumb, no-good-music-playing-ass again.
@Shouting Thomas:
@J. Farmer
Problems that likely will be solved with genetic repair of embryos in the near future.
The solutions, surprisingly, is likely to be technology.
I think "near future" is a stretch. For one, I think people tend to overestimate the rate of technological progress. And two, the genetics of intelligence and complex behavioral patterns are still very poorly understood.
Now go away, ST. I will not be addressing your dumb, no-good-music-playing-ass again.
I was a street fighter as a kid, Crack.
Became one again in Brooklyn when the black gangs tried to chase me off the street.
I'm not afraid of blacks, Crack. Try your chest puffing on somebody else, sissy. I'm not one of those whites who runs away in terror when some weakass pimp like you puffs up your chest.
I've made a salary as a musician for 60 years, chump, while you were begging people for a buck.
This notion of yours that I'm going to be bullied by you because you have black skin is a delusion.
Get back to your real business, here, which is begging whites for stuff.
The asshole leftwing base want the pure Antifa candidate.
TV host Montel Williams defends West Point and Navy students making 'OK' hand gesture: The media 'branded these young people as racists without a shred of evidence'
Well, now I am assured it's a lie, because a guy who put psychics that talk to the dead on TV has just the kind of credibility, I'm looking for, to convince me of it.
What a miserable and lame NewAge cult nation this has become.
Earnest Prole: I seem to remember Dick Cheney doing the same for his daughter and somehow the Republic survived.
Well then identity politics is not harmful to civic life, QED.
Some people should avoid the temptation to attempt clever owns. It always ends up with them looking stupid.
Paid rehearsal and two paid concerts over the weekend, Crack.
Played before packed, cheering house, probably 400 or more each night. Standing O.
Paid for services Sunday.
Two paid services on Christmas Eve and Christmas
Meanwhile, Crack, you're wasting your time feeding your drug habit.
What you need is another fix of festering in racial resentment. That's a lot better than a check.
You're a fucking genius and civil rights champion. I get paid.
Crack, the cult of one.
"Democrats implement big changes when they rack up large majorities in both houses of Congress and control the presidency"
Huh? The ACA squeaked through, thanks to legal shenanigans. Sure, Dems paid a price initially, but we are still stuck with the consequences.
Crack is not chest thumping, but sensitive victim of Marxist feminine and black privilege needs to brag of being a street fighting ladyboi is in full overcompensating mode.
Allen S. Cracks cult of one is right. Nice of you to honor his charismatic individuality. That's what America is all about and worth fighting for.
Hey Crack, apparently Massholes didn't get the newage memo from goop. These folks love Velveeta and Wonder bread, herbalist's are in short supply.
@Howard
That was almost coherent, which is a great step forward for you.
Drinking this morning?
I'm not a victim of anything, dummy. You're semi-illiterate. My comments throughout this post, dummy, have been that playing the victim is stupid and self-defeating.
I fought blacks guys threatening me with knives and guns on the streets of Brooklyn, silly boy. I didn't want to, but I had to.
Pieces of shit like you convinced liberals in NYC to let the thugs run the city. During the crack epidemic, it was a war walking from my apartment to the subway.
But, I won that fight. Ground control to Howard the dummy. I win. I don't play the victim. I figure out how to win.
Well, now I am assured it's a lie, because a guy who put psychics that talk to the dead on TV has just the kind of credibility, I'm looking for, to convince me of it.
What a miserable and lame NewAge cult nation this has become.
I agree wholeheartedly with that last sentiment. And Sylvia Browne was godawful. Preying on distraught, grief-stricken parents was particularly disgusting. But I venture that Williams was motivated more by fraternity than anything else in this statement. He was himself as graduate of Annapolis and has a long history of involvement with military veteran causes. And it wasn't as if Williams denied that the students were racist, only cautioned against a rush to judgment.
Now, Howard, you're a fucking dummy and you're here for no good reason except to be an asshole, so let me repeat.
I'm not a victim of anything.
I was born in a shack in the middle of the cornfields, but I surmounted that..
I have two degrees. I continue in my 70s to make a living as a musician.
I have a great life. I win. I don't have any victimhood status to claim.
With your limited intellect, not to mention limited reading skills, I think repetition is the only hope.
You play the victim card when not padding your CV. Huge chips on both shoulders. You go into ballistically hysterics at the hint of challenge. Everything you post is a tell.
Crack, Thomas: Get a room, you two.
I love the fact that young people are impatient with the status quo, but seriously, do they believe that the possession of a good idea is tantamount to seeing it implemented?
Yep. Just like every other group of young people ever.
That woman didn't need a baby any more than she needed a Big Gulp.
I doubt he said it, but Bloomberg is the kind of man I can imagine making a mandatory abortion law.
Put the Brakes on Unwanted Advice
- Miss Manners
I'm not reading ST but I'm sure he's still jabbering away - and insulting me - as though things were different (and that's the kind of shit that I find inspiring) but no. He's just doing what he always does - makes a black conservative as uncomfortable around them as liberals - reminding me there's nowhere safe to merely speak my mind.
It's how conservatives want others to "SHUT UP" as badly as liberals, as they claim it's only the other side.
I am black. I am FOR reparations. Nothing you can say will change that. Nothing.
You guys are wrong in every way people can be wrong, but - like James Comey - you're just too full of yourselves to see it.
Yes, I am a cult of one - here - but I'm brave enough to be around you.
Most of you wouldn't want to spend an evening with me and mine, even online.
@Howard
You're just plain stupid.
I'm 70 years old and I just played two concerts to full houses and standing ovations over the weekend.
Choke on it. The jealousy drives people insane.
You're not the first one I've dealt with who can't handle it.
It's a constant professional problem dealing with jealous twits like you. All you know how to do is whack off.
Most of you wouldn't want to spend an evening with me and mine, even online.
Well, yeah, you're obnoxious.
That's a trait that goes across every racial and national group.
Try being a mensch.
I am FOR reparations.
I am as well. In the form of black national self-determination. It is one of the reasons I avoid the term "white nationalist." Even though it is a basically accurate description of my politics, it is also imprecise. I am just as much a black nationalist as I am a white nationalist. I still believe that national self-determination inside of internationally-recognized borders is the best way forward. But I am also under no delusions that such a system is likely to ever come to pass. In a multiracial, multiethnic, multilingual society, it is simply too easy to divide and conquer.
Mayor Pete is the latest incarnation of Obama. A minority elite as defined by the elite. The last one was Beto. He burned out when it became evident, like Obama he lacked accomplishments, unlike Obama, he wasn't qualified as a minority elite. Now Pete. His minority status is self identified by his manner of sexual release, but he too lacks any accomplishments. (education is credentialed, not accomplished)
Crack: Jesus Christ, I'm trying to avoid talking to you, but you get this one try:
In 1921 there was the Tulsa Race Massacre. People were killed. People who had families. Breadwinners and buinesses were destroyed forever - by their community and country.
Crack, you appear to have enormous difficulty grasping something that should be simple to understand: that reasonable people of good will can be in possession of the same facts and still disagree about policy.
Here, let me try to make this easier for you to understand: Nobody disagreeing with you is unaware of, or in denial about these facts. Do I need to put that in all caps or repeat it a thousand times for you for that to sink in?
Simply adducing and repeating various facts about the bad things done to American blacks isn't going to persuade anybody to your point of view about reparations. Is ST unaware of the Tulsa Massacre? No. Is he denying that it happened? No. So why do you keep repeating facts that nobody is disputing, as if that constituted an argument for reparations?
People have told you why they think reparations are a non-starter. You never engage with those points. Instead you've got one non-argument on infinite loop.
Another fact that I wonder about Obama is this: if he was so smart why would the colleges that he went to hide all of his school records? It looks to me, that he was affirmative actioned through school, not to mention life. Shame on the scam.
Angle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...
"Why do you keep repeating facts that nobody is disputing, as if that constituted an argument for reparations?"
You guys always see what you want to see - did you miss the part about NO FREE RIDES for killing people? For depriving generations of their loved ones and their income?
Whites are the only people I know of who think rape, murder, and theft are a "gimme".
Back to begging whites for stuff, Crack.
That's the way! What a tough guy!
That's all you've got.
My doctor, my GP, is an Ashkenazi Jew. His entire family was wiped out in the Holocaust.
Take a hint, beggar. He became a doctor. He's wealthy.,
Every time I read your shit, Crack, I thank God I'm not as fucked up as you are.
I could have been, too.
I decided I didn't want to be.
Crack: Whites are the only people I know of who think rape, murder, and theft are a "gimme".
Lol. This from the guy who presumes to lecture everybody else on their ignorance of history.
You guys are wrong in every way people can be wrong, but - like James Comey - you're just too full of yourselves to see it.
We could all benefit from emulating your humility and capacity for self-criticism: "I'm Crack and I'm black, and I'm right because I'm Crack and black."
Like Obama, Buttboy is just another credentialled idiot. FYI, South Bend's police and blacks hate him and 20% of SB's adults travel each day to Republican controlled Elkhart, Indiana, for work. Quite the record of achievement!
ngle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...
No, I'm Crack and I'm black, and I'm right because there's a bunch of dead bodies, and money, unaccounted for - and we all know why - so let's stop bullshitting and making whites look worse by the year, OK?
See?
Like ST, I'm just trying to "help" y'all.
All this for the mayor of the fourth-largest city in Indiana!
I especially like the idea of you guys ignoring our dead - just as everybody thinks about whites:
Unfeeling murderers who just want to kill and take other's money and land.
You don't even try to pretend otherwise: Dead people? Who CARES about dead Americans, right? Family members? Friends?
Let it go, right?
The money they would've earned? The money that was stolen? It means nothing - to unfeeling monsters.
That's YOU.
And then you wonder why blacks won't vote with you.
We won't even eat with you.
Shorter Crack Emcee: How dare some fag try and cut in line for the victimhood sweepstakes handout extravaganza.
We won't even eat with you.
I sit down to lunch quite frequently with my black parishioners.
Not every Sunday. But, most.
King Solomon identified the primary problem with reparations in the Book of Proverbs: "The wise store up choice food and olive oil, but fools gulp theirs down."
Although I do agree that it's rather insulting fro gays to compare gay rights movement to the civil rights movement among blacks. Not least of which because race is obviously much more pertinent than sexual orientation, which can be hidden from public consumption.
Crack: I especially like the idea of you guys ignoring our dead - just as everybody thinks about whites:
Let me ask you again, Crack:
Is ST (or anybody else here) unaware of the Tulsa Massacre? Is he (or anybody else here) denying that it happened?
And more generally:
Are whites the only people who kill, plunder, rape, and enslave?
Yes or no. The questions require simple yes or no answers. Just want to clarify what your basic premises are here and if they overlap at all with reality. Yes or no. Simply addressing neutral fact here. Leaving aside for the nonce whatever value judgments may inhere in those facts in particular times and places.
Like ST, I'm just trying to "help" y'all.
Yeah, and I'm well positioned to do that.
I was born in a shack in the middle of the cornfields. It was more or less expected of males in my family that they would become drunks, bounce in and out of jail, and work at deadly hard labor jobs.
I found my way out.
Blogger Shouting Thomas said...
The answer, Crack, on an individual level, is to cease engaging in martyrdom mythology.
There's no doubt that some blacks have been killed because of their race.
And, every other race, nationality, sex, etc., has its own list of martyrs and villains.
Man ! This thread went by fast once I saw that.
This is probably the reason why black medical students from Africa and the West Indies do fine and American blacks struggle.
Victimology is fatal, at least to accomplishment.
Personally, I attribute much to John Wilkes Booth. He put Stanton and the radicals in charge in the Confederacy after the war. The Johnson impeachment was part of it.
Crack thinks every murder in Chicago and every other majority black city in the US is a gimme.
Crack thinks every murder of white people by black people in gang violence and other crimes is a gimme.
Wanna compare decades of rates of white men raping black women versus black men raping white women, Crack?
Didn't think so.
ngle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...
"Is ST (or anybody else here) unaware of the Tulsa Massacre? Is he (or anybody else here) denying that it happened?"
No, you're just denying MURDER IS WORTH ANYTHING TO THOSE WHO REMAIN - which is insane.
Michael K said...
"This is probably the reason why black medical students from Africa and the West Indies do fine and American blacks struggle."
Only one of those three lives with their captors to argue their destiny - I wonder which one?
Oh yeah: the ones the white boys hate.
Qwinn said...
"Crack thinks every murder in Chicago and every other majority black city in the US is a gimme."
No, Crack thinks whites piled blacks on top of each other in appalling conditions and now they fight for scraps just like the Irish, the Italians and every other group has - your trying to separte us into some new brand of violent species is your racism showing.
I'd stop that before more people notice:
I hear "Racist" is not the look whites are trying to roll with anymore.
Democrats implement big changes when they rack up large majorities in both houses of Congress and control the presidency.
That's assuming the new leftist Democrat strategy isn't a "crash the system" strategy.
No, you're just denying MURDER IS WORTH ANYTHING TO THOSE WHO REMAIN - which is insane.
No, it's how the criminal justice system works in U.S. democracy.
People are only guilty of crimes if they are adjudged guilty by a jury. In the U.S., only those who commit a murder are responsible for that murder. Your belief in entitlement to racial revenge makes you a flaming racist.
Don't you ever get tired of begging, Crack? You could be doing something to improve your life, instead.
This stupid fucking begging you do is absurd. You're a grown man. Do something, you lazy ass beggar. Learn a skill that pays.
Everybody's to blame for what happens to me!
I can't possibly be responsible for anything because I'm just a poor child.
The defeatist, loser ideology of Crack.
No wonder you're such a fuck up.
Arguing with whites about sanity and reality - when they KNOW they used to think of blacks as furniture - is surreal.
Y'all need more help than I can offer.
It's no wonder it takes so long for whites to understand the call for reparations:
It took them CENTURIES to realize blacks are people,....
Jesus, but you are a complete fuck up Crack.
I spent the morning rehearsing for a gig.
You spent the morning begging.
That's rich:
You guys are the group that didn't realize I'm a person, and you also think I'm from the group with the mental problems.
Making blacks watch as the delusional pat yourselves on the back for all of eternity is completely reparational if you ask me.
Magic Whitey!
You know how whites often believe in the Magic Negro?
Crack believes in Magic Whitey!
If only Magic Whitey would give him stuff, he wouldn't be miserable.
I've got news for you, Crack. There is no Magic Whitey.
I know you're a person.
I can see that as an individual, you're really mentally fucked up.
There's still time to refocus on learning a paying job skill and building a meaningful life, Crack.
First, stop believing in Magic Whitey.
In 2018, there were approximately 16,000 homicides. How many of those victims' families do you think are going to see a check?
Didn't know I'm a person - AND known for genocide - but it's everyone else who has the problem.
You guys definitely spend to much time talking exclusively to other whites.
Makes you crazy.
I haven't read a word ST has written, but I LOVE the idea of his dumb ass fuming on the other end.
He's a smart one.
Qwinn said...
"Wanna compare decades of rates of white men raping black women versus black men raping white women, Crack?"
Starting from slavery? Sure. That's no gamble at all.
You lose.
Qwinn said...
"Wanna compare decades of rates of white men raping black women versus black men raping white women, Crack?"
You should watch The House I Live In, a documentary about a white family and their housekeeper.
She left the South because white men were raping black women with impunity - in our lifetimes - not some long ago past.
Y'all got a warped view of America, but that's nothing new.
Crack: No, you're just denying MURDER IS WORTH ANYTHING TO THOSE WHO REMAIN - which is insane.
So, your basic premises do not, as a matter of fact, overlap with reality. They comprise fallacious inferences and a bunch of self-referential, self-sealing mental maneuvers too squirrely to have an official description.
Thanks for clarifying that for me.
"'Just say No!' What's so hard about that?"
Fucking assholes.
We have already had more than a half-century of reparations in the form of Aid to Families with Dependent Children, Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, Supplemental Security Income (i.e. a crazy check), Medicaid, etc. The results have not been promising. Black emancipation, if it comes, will not come at the hands of white beneficence.
The Meaning Of Being White
It means you get to be an asshole.
J. Farmer said...
"We have already had more than a half-century of reparations in the form of Aid to Families with Dependent Children, Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, Supplemental Security Income (i.e. a crazy check), Medicaid, etc."
Nothing everybody gets is reparations to blacks.
In terms of material well being, black Americans far outpace blacks anywhere else on the globe. The average ADOS has about 20% European ancestry.
Nothing everybody gets is reparations to blacks.
A cash transfer is a cash transfer.
J. Farmer said...
"We have already had more than a half-century of reparations in the form of Aid to Families with Dependent Children, Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, Supplemental Security Income (i.e. a crazy check), Medicaid, etc."
Nothing everybody gets is reparations to blacks. The fact that's how your mind works shows the deception is practically built-in.
You don't want to solve a problem - you want to get away with something by claiming you paid it - we were just to stupid to see it.
You're just insulting, ugly white people.
J. Farmer said...
"In terms of material well being, black Americans far outpace blacks anywhere else on the globe."
It's not a contest against others - it's justice for what happened here.
Keep wiggling: you're just making my point.
You need to "get away" with something: you just can't approach things fair-and-square.
J. Farmer said...
"A cash transfer is a cash transfer."
What cash transfer?
It's money going from the American tresury to Americans.
You guys are crazy.
Actually mr. shenkleman is wrong. "As a professional historian" he should have known that the filibuster, and the Southern democrats were the ones that prevented the Democrats from pushing forward more radical legislation in the last 87 years. After 1936 the R's could ally themselves with enough Southern D's to stop any Radical D legislation, even when the D's controlled the Presidency and All of Congress.
that situation no longer exists. The D's will get RID OF the filibuster the next time they control the Senate. And there is no "Conservative wing" in the D party anymore, at least not in Congress. Nor are there any "Mavericks".
“ A cash transfer is a direct transfer payment of money to an eligible person.”
The same people who used to tell me blacks had to espect the police are now screaming the FBi is full of liars.
You guys have to get your story straight.
This entire thing is a sham story being either driven by Buttuvwxyz's opponents in the primary (Sanders, Warren, and Biden), or is being driven by Buttuvwxyz's campaign itself as a way to set him apart from the field. The idea that this is a grassroots backlash against Buttuvwxyz's corporate past is bullshit on stilts.
Check how many people want to lecture me about Ann, women, and gays, when I've already had this lyric in my song for a while now:
"I ain’t the one said “Women on top”
And then had a son before this bullshit stop"
So, do I really need your lectures, Guys? Or do you just see yourselves as "Bwana" with an overwhelming paternalistic need to talk when blacks are around?
We need your guidance soooo badly - but can never get your cooperation...
How did this thread about Mayor Pete get sidetracked into a race discussion? As for Mayor Pete, of course he is full of it but then again so is every Democrat running. It's all Commie and Commie cultural crap down the line.
As for Crack's position on reparations he does have a point albeit more limited than he thinks. As I see it it's more akin to the reparations the Germans paid to the Jews. Compensation to the living victims and the immediate living direct descendants of the victims. That would preclude slavery but would cover victims of the various massacres in the last century along with those lynched and their immediate descendants such as grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Now I might be all wrong and it's not to justify segregation, but one of the unintended side effects of the Civil Rights movement and the Welfare State was the destruction of Black vertically integrated areas and the rise of single motherhood in the remaining Black areas with it's social pathologies. How to "solve" this problem is beyond any ideas that have been put forward.
Butt Gag is going nowhere.
cubanbob said...
"How to "solve" this problem is beyond any ideas that have been put forward."
Thanks. I'm not trying to solve everything - or even stop anything - but just deal with what is, has been, and what's expected. My vision is a lot more limited than most people think.
BTW - I just got a text that I got the "Official Remix" in the DJ Dad Shirt Remix Contest in Las Vegas this weekend.
Since it's my first entry in a competition of any kind, and in Vegas, I'm a little psyched.
I'm finally out of the wilderness again...
Crack if there is one thing about Vegas as long as you got the cash you can indulge in almost anything you want. Have a great time. Enjoy.
Maybe it's a Red Diaper Baby thing.
Crack: "Since it's my first entry in a competition of any kind, and in Vegas, I'm a little psyched.
I'm finally out of the wilderness again.."
We expect updates.
The Crack Emcee said...
Michael K said...
"This is probably the reason why black medical students from Africa and the West Indies do fine and American blacks struggle."
Only one of those three lives with their captors to argue their destiny - I wonder which one?
Oh yeah: the ones the white boys hate.
I avoid Crack's comments but this is just pitiful. I'm starting to think maybe the theory that slaves were losers (as explained by west Africans) has something to it.
Crack, why don't you find a nice colored girl, and settle down. Quit chasing that white pussy. It ain't, and never has done you any good at all.
BTW - I just got a text that I got the "Official Remix" in the DJ Dad Shirt Remix Contest in Las Vegas this weekend.
Since it's my first entry in a competition of any kind, and in Vegas, I'm a little psyched.
I'm finally out of the wilderness again...
Congrats, Crack.
@Crack Emcee:
BTW - I just got a text that I got the "Official Remix" in the DJ Dad Shirt Remix Contest in Las Vegas this weekend.
Since it's my first entry in a competition of any kind, and in Vegas, I'm a little psyched.
I'm finally out of the wilderness again...
Congratulations. And good luck.
The Crack Emcee said...
BTW - I just got a text that I got the "Official Remix" in the DJ Dad Shirt Remix Contest in Las Vegas this weekend.
I'm finally out of the wilderness again...
Congrads Crack!
AllenS said...
"Crack, why don't you find a nice colored girl, and settle down. Quit chasing that white pussy. It ain't, and never has done you any good at all."
Your whole lives are based on stereotypes. I expect more from vets.
"Thank you" to everyone for the congrats - really, all of you - now, back to the debate:
"Oh and the white people—' They were whispering in their own homes because they were brought up not talking about what happened.'""
Let's talk about American life - with whites "whispering" behind your back - about the murders they committed.
Is this the papradise for blacks you guys are always defending?
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