I'm just going to show you Janelle Monáe — my choice for the best:
There was a theme, you have to understand. The theme was the old Susan Sontag essay "Notes on Camp" — which you can read in full here. Or here's the explanation in the NYT:
In 1964, Susan Sontag defined camp as an aesthetic “sensibility” that is plain to see but hard for most of us to explain: an intentional over-the-top-ness, a slightly (or extremely) “off” quality, bad taste as a vehicle for good art.The NYT goes on to discuss whether various present-day things are camp. The most interesting part of this is the question whether President Trump is camp. The answer (the NYT answer, written by its fashion writer Vanessa Friedman):
“Notes on ‘Camp,’” her 58-point ur-listicle, builds on that inherent sense of something being “too much,” and also fences it in. Camp is artificial, passionate, serious, Sontag writes. Camp is Art Nouveau objects, Greta Garbo, Warner Brothers musicals and Mae West. It is not premeditated — except when it is extremely premeditated....
Camp “can be actually a very sophisticated and powerful political tool, especially for marginalized cultures,” Andrew Bolton, the curator of the Met’s Costume Institute, told The New York Times when that show’s theme was announced. We tend to associate “marginalized cultures” with underrepresented minorities, but if you think about it, the frustrated white men who make up Donald J. Trump’s base would certainly describe themselves that way, and he has been their blunt-edged weapon. An orange-hued one, with tanning-bed-goggle eyes, an elaborate blonde pompadour and extra-long ties — because, well, you know what they say about ties: long ties, long … What? What’s that you say? They don’t say that about ties? Well, in the alternative universe of Trumpland, they do.And if you understand him that way... do you love him?
Born from the camp crucible of reality TV, President Trump has become synonymous with behavior that elicits exactly the kind of reactions Sontag deems key to camp: “It’s too much” and “not to be believed.” Superlatives rule the president’s speech — his crowds are the biggest ever, his memory the best — and his aversion to political correctness is practically a signifier. He’s a Louis XIV for our times. That he has his finger on the button just makes it more jaw-dropping.
Does Sontag talk about love? Why, yes, it's #56 in her 58-point listicle:
56. Camp taste is a kind of love, love for human nature. It relishes, rather than judges, the little triumphs and awkward intensities of "character." . . . Camp taste identifies with what it is enjoying. People who share this sensibility are not laughing at the thing they label as "a camp," they're enjoying it. Camp is a tender feeling.The final point on Sontag's list is the one you remember as "So bad, it's good." She's way more specific than that:
58. The ultimate Camp statement: it's good because it's awful . . . Of course, one can't always say that. Only under certain conditions, those which I've tried to sketch in these notes.Whether Donald Trump meets those conditions... oh, must it always be about Trump?
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I love the photo. But Sontag is so 60s. I found her unreadable with her endless yap,yap, blah, blah and pseudo-intellectualizing of things that don't need to intellectualized. Theory, Theory, Theory, word spinning, labels, verbal gymnastics, all as artistically dead as someone sitting in a room talking to themselves.
But some like her.
"I feel these people may have all taken the wrong message away from Hunger Games." -- David Burge (@iowahawkblog) on Twitter.
Trump as camp is in line with what I’ve always liked about Trump (since well before he entered politics in force): he knows he’s ridiculous, and he embraces it. I wouldn’t say I love him for it; I didn’t vote for him and have enormous concerns about politics and many players today, but I certainly appreciate that quality about him. I liked it more in an entertainer, but I get the appeal in a politician.
She looks like Zoro's hat rack.
Trump is camp as fuck.
And if you understand him that way... do you love him?
Busted. Heh.
Awesome Halloween costumes. Fashion? Not so much.
I liked Zendaya.
I always thought the concept of camp was hazy, indistinct bullshit. This confirms it. Thanks!
“Notes on ‘Camp,’” her 58-point ur-listicle, builds on that inherent sense of something being “too much,” and also fences it in.
58 points? Ursprache? Yeah....the narcissistic lesbian Susan Sontag has revealed the mystery of life. If only I had listened.....
Talk about campy click bait.
I suppose what Sontag is saying is that camp is bringing the artifice of signifying into the foreground.
I also thought your choice the best. The rest lacked verve, style, originality. Lady Gaga's, in particular, looked like it came off the "edgy" mall-store Halloween rack, c. 1980.
Is it possible that it's criticism of Trump that is camp. It's certainly overdone, self parodying and in love with itself.
...but Gaga's get-up was perhaps appropriate to the theme, as Sontag is also kinda "edgy" mall-store c. 1980, too.
All roads lead to slamming Trump.
Sounds familiar.
Does Monae still have the vagina pants?
Ha..William..so true.
L'Etat c'est moi. Donald XIV said that. And like FDR before him, he has been right for the last two years.
For some reason, that picture makes me nostalgic for Good & Plenty candies.
Sontang is frustrating because you can often tell she has ideas but she goes a long way to say so little about them that by the end you end up questioning whether she actually did have them to begin with.
John Waters is supposed to be the master of camp cinema and I find most of his stuff just about unwatchable--uninteresting in itself, loud & banal, cringe-comedy only in the meta sense of "what can the actors/people themselves actually think they're doing/be trying to say" sort of way...but elite people with self-described exquisite taste maintain he's a genius so what do I know? (Similar for Warhol's cinema, too, although that's less pseudo/failed shock and more droning boredom, from what I've seen).
Are people still charmed by drag queen culture? Judging by the success of Ru Paul's show I guess the answer is yes, but that seems so stale, dated, and pointless to me...To Wong Foo was what, mid-nineties??
That was your choice as the best? Oh dear. I will eschew viewing the context for myself, thanks.
But if it raises money for the Met, all to the good. At least it keeps them off the streetcorners and out of the bars.
Also strenuously agree with rcocean @9:08. As a young man, that sort of turgid word-spinning turned me away from the liberal arts and towards engineering. Good choice. Who wants to spend their life writing articles about other people's books?
Further to my point: YT - Simpsons: Homer's Phobia
That's season 8, released in 1997! That's 22 years ago, man.
Camp. Caricature. Both? What is the difference between them?
Trump, and especially those that talk and write about him, especially on subjects unrelated to him, is a living caricature of himself. Very much like the sort of image produced by a carnival caricature artist. He has evolved to this point, built it up over time in a Darwinian way that fuels his energy and success.
To me, camp is a caricature of sorts but in a fun and whimsical way. No one that I've read uses the words fun and whimsical to describe Trump, so camp doesn't fit.
The Trump supporting men she is talking about do not feel marginalized. We do not need to make ourselves special with that label. We know who we are, and what we do. We may be hated and deeply misunderstood in some circles, but we have little respect for the opinion of those circles anyway. We are not victims. We are makers, fixers, providers, and protectors, and we are fine. It's those who undervalue us who are marginalizing themselves and missing valuable opportunities to be more than a dreamy eyed-dependent. We are not marginalized, but we do stand at the margins doing the dirty dangerous work and looking outward for threats not inward.
Imagine if all that money that goes to dress these Hollywood types was used for impoverished people?? Imagine the roads we could build, we could use it for education and housing illegals too!!/snark (although....THEY are the ones who always say stupid things like that.)
I hate the Met Gala more than almost anything else in American Culture.
>>"The most interesting part of this is the question whether President Trump is camp. "<<
Oh yeah; really interesting. How unusual. Another deranged Trump hater manages to associate Trump, and his "villainy" of course, with something that he has nothing whatsoever to do with. Simply captivating!
"You all are trying too hard to be ostentatious"
---- Marie Antoinette
. oh, must it always be about Trump?
isnt he reading Mein Kamp?
Here is a great cut of Trump being deliciously camp.
https://youtu.be/uBL5MBvpT3M?t=38
That is some ugly-ass aesthetic sensibility.
Well, in the alternative universe of Trumpland, they do.
No lady, that’s your universe, in our universe, dick length isn’t a relevant qualification for POTUS, that’s more of a Democrat thing, natural right to rule, and all of that that they believe in. Joe Biden is counting on it!
@Hoodlum Doodlum
John Waters is definitely not for everyone movie-wise, but his writing is always entertaining, often informative, and usually laugh out loud funny. In his book Crackpot he has hilarious essays describing his experience teaching film in a prison, 101 things he loves and hates, an interview with Pia Zadora, and a great essay on the "art" films that he loves.
Yes he wallows in the lowbrow but he's a very well read guy on art and film. His book Role Models is a non-stop "gotta write this down" reading list that is guaranteed more informative than the po-mo garbage passing for the humanities in universities today.
That Simpsons episode is one of the all time greats. The scene in the steel mill is one for the ages. What a shame that show has sucked for over twice as long as it was great.
You know what nobody ever says?
"Trump is just like ___________". Because he is one of a kind.
Well, except for that Hitler guy, who he is exactly like, and maybe worse.
One of the biggest elements of camp to me is extreme wealth that still presents itself as tasteless and trashy. Or facsimiles of extreme wealth .... aging divas, etc.
Cardi B and her crazy cape has to be my pick of the gala. But I’ve been busy with work and haven’t had a chance to spend much time looking at the outfits yet.
That dress and hat- delightful, inspired whimsy. Her shapely face looking out from within the ensemble is lovely.
model: "Excuse me-- my eyes are up here!"
"I hate the Met Gala more than almost anything else in American Culture."
It all makes me want to puke.
Louis XIV wasn't camp.
Not in his time.
In his day it was all grandeur, or an honest try at it.
A bit gimcrack in spots but none of those old boys ever had quite the funding to do everything they attempted.
It is camp now, because now is now, and all is now, for the fans of camp. They are something else.
Everything considered, this is yet again a very parochial world view.
The concept itself seems to exist only in a particular subculture, making an appeal to a limited audience.
Absurdity and flamboyance and silliness and satire are common human themes that exist, and have always existed, outside of any subculture. But those aren't camp.
As for dissidents and revolutionaries, no, history doesn't reveal much camp. These all tend to deadly sincerity and stylistic simplicity, even asceticism. I have been with such people for extended periods at close quarters.
Interestingly Marie Antoinette was decidedly unostentatious.
She and her husband were very private people, to the extend possible for French monarchs. Even some of their sillier ideas such as the model farm where they larped (to use the modern word) as peasants was a cheap and very private hobby.
A lot of her reputation comes from revolutionary propagandists.
They think they are being original and unique...
Nonconformists all look alike.
I clicked through the first forty or so pictures. The outfits were overdone but in a playful way. They didn't inspire much in the way of hate or envy. Miley Cyrus wore a comparatively restrained and tasteful outfit. How did that happen? She needs a new stylist.
I read somewhere that the Versailles Palace cost about the same as one month of one of Napoleon's campaigns. Napoleon had ten thousand skiffs built for a planned invasion of England. The palace has held up better than the skiffs. Napoleon, not Louis XIV, should be the model for foolish extravagance.
Sadly, Sontag's main enduring influence on the culture is her "white race is a cancer." That has become the central teaching in most university and corporate diversity indoctrination. It is also the unstated assumption of the whole AGW religion and the defacto open borders position of the Democrat Party and MSM.
“And if you understand him that way... do you love him?”
I am sure there are people who love Trump. I have never met one. The people I have met who support Trump are those who are willing to overlook the things they find distasteful about the man because he is doing many good things for the country including providing a bulwark against leftist tyranny and lunacy and exposing the calumnies of the MSM.
We can be distinguished from narcissistic NeverTrumpers like Chuck Channeling Schumer by our willingness to elevate the welfare of the nation above our personal fetishes.
Louis XIV wasn't camp. Not in his time. In his day it was all grandeur.
The entire French people are camp.
Interestingly Marie Antoinette was decidedly unostentatious.
IDK. If one of the celebrities would have worn one of the hairstyles or gowns from her official portraits, it would have fit in last night. But as I said, the Met Gala outdoes her by a mile.
They don't realize they're the living embodiment of The Hunger Games.
I looked through the NY POST's best dressed list and agree with you. She embodied camp. Honestly, I was a bit disappointed in how little camp I saw in the lady fashion. Most women care more about being sexy than being campy. This worked as both.
Ok, just looked at your link. Celine Dion is pretty campy too. Only because I think she's channeling that Cher vibe. Cher in the 90s is all camp.
You've constructed a nice little world there, haven't you? Clowns.
If Trump is camp then god must be the artist.
There are far, far too many "artists" in the West, especially in America. Nearly everyone on the left likes to insert a capsule CV into whatever they ill-composed sentence they wish to say or write (most write on social media) which they believe gives them credibility on whatever topic. "Titania McGrath" made a virtual career of "her" virtual expertise. It typically takes the form of an As a yaddah-yaddah-yaddah- and artistpreamble to virtual signaling or butthurt victimological spiel, as if an intelligent person should give a fuck.
I first became familiar with the camp concept when I was about 12 or 13, when the original Batman series was on. It was described as camp by every newspaper or magazine article about it, and every writer found it necessary to explain to the readers what camp was, yet doing so somehow without mentioning homosexuals.
It occurs to me that Trump is like having King Tut as president. And I love it.
It occurs to me that Trump is like having King Tut as president. And I love it.
King Tut and Camp sytle
This means we must watch THIS
It doesn't get more campy that that
The Victor Buono King Tut was my reference point. But of course.
LOL I forgot about Victor Buono as King Tut! Thanks for the reminder.
The consensus seems to be that Donald XIV works very hard to keep the show going for us.
The Victor Buono King Tut was my reference point.
You're thinking of Judge Robert Bork.
Don't forget the two episode appearance of Liberace as Chandell and his twin brother Hai, in a "demanding dual role."
Harry that is. (Former copyeditor fail.)
No Jared Leto pics? He was fun.
Also, does anyone else remember when Janelle Monae wore only black and white clothes?
And then the after party pics: Katy Perry and Celine Dion, grabbing Katy's meat
The tit eye blinks. Brill.
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