Despite calls for him to cool his overheated rhetoric after the deadly synagogue shooting and pipe bomb mailings, President Trump on Monday continued his assault on the “Fake News Media” by continuing to accuse them of stoking rage.The "calls for him to cool his overheated rhetoric" are what I've been calling "civility bullshit" for years. It's always only aimed at the other side. They want you to stop fighting them with vigor, and they have no intention of stopping fighting you. Trump obviously know this and can't be played. You might think just this once — because 11 people were massacred — he'd go presidential, bow his head, and sing "Amazing Grace," but his opponents didn't refrain from closing right in on him and kicking him, and he kicks back.
“There is great anger in our Country caused in part by inaccurate, and even fraudulent, reporting of the news. The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly,” he wrote on his Twitter account.
“That will do much to put out the flame of Anger and Outrage and we will then be able to bring all sides together in Peace and Harmony. Fake News Must End!,” the president posted, just two days after 11 people were gunned down by a man yelling “all Jews must die” at a Pittsburgh synagogue.
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Blame Trump and Trump blames you.
He won't quiet down:
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his opponents didn't refrain from closing right in on him and kicking him, and he kicks back.
Good for him.
Making someone pretend that your patent lie is true may be the most humiliating of assertions of power. – Angelo Codevilla
The letter from the Rabbi group associated with Soros with the petition against Trump visiting near the synagogue due to his White nationalist support was pure chutzpah!
Civility bs indeed.
The MSM will not tolerate criticism. They've always been sacrosanct because of the repercussions from pissing them off. Trump simply doesn't care if he pisses them off. Most of us--and I mean MOST--say it's high time someone had the balls to call them out.
The Left would prefer that we sit out the war they are waging against us.
Talking past the sale, says Scott Adams. They skipped the question of whether the news media deserves being attacked.
The media is finished.
Not because they lose money. Their billionaire owners don’t mind that.
They are finished because they are no longer useful for pushing their owners agenda.
My pal who isn't quite a #NeverTrumper, but more of a reluctant Trump voter proclaims the following dynamic:
Trump says something inflammatory or stupid (Call it X). The Dems and their media allies react by flooding the zone with 3X.
Wash, rinse, repeat; wash, rinse, repeat.
Tom Steyer is getting desperate.
He has spent $120 million dollars on campaigns during the midterms.
I remember when Democrats complained about “dark money.”
Jew slaughtering is 1500 years old and going strong despite a brief shaming from the Holocaust silenced it. What is weird is that so many fall into the trap.
How about a year of outspoken pro Jewish speeches by the EnemyMedia and the DC politicians. That won't happen unless the speakers are strong and courageous...and that means they are Trump like bold evangelicals willing to take the flack that will come their way.
This is what drives the NeverTrumpers/LLR's crazy.
Trump fights back.
Successfully.
And the democrat cuck/LLR's never thought that was possible, never thought it could be done, and never thought it could be successful. Plus, deep down, they agreed with the dems all along.
Trump has exposed them all.
But only all of them.
All the time.
Achilles: "He has spent $120 million dollars on campaigns during the midterms"
Bloomberg is so panicked he just dumped 20-30 million more into the dem coffers.
Strange that a blue wave requires such propping up, eh? Gee, it's almost as if the insider dems know something that they aren't telling the rubes like Inga and Freder.
As sad as it is to speak politically about a hate-driven massacre of Jews, one poignant moment stands out:
The media is trying to portray anti-antisemitism as a right-wing trait where in recent years it is the mainstream right who is "pro-israel" and the mainstream left who tolerates, and sometimes actively promotes, both anti-Israel views and anti-Semitic individuals.
Drago sez: "Trump fights back."
I think that's it. The globalists/soft-socialists are used to things going their way, post Soviet break-up. And, until Trump, they were right!
"Bloomberg is so panicked he just dumped 20-30 million more into the dem coffers."
-- But remember, they want to overturn Citizens United so we can't pool our money to do political movies or the like, so only the rich can make costly political statements.
Personnally, I'm astonished that with 55 (YES!! 55!!) republican House retirements that the dems aren't on track to pick up 60 seats in the first off year election of an opposing party President, when opposition parties usually crush it.
If the dems do take the majority, it won't be by much, setting up a 2 year stretch where Trump goes Executive Order ("I've got a phone and a pen" said someone once) and runs against these idiots.
With the good news that the Senate almost certainly remains in Republican hands.
Lindsay Graham has already said that he will pick up where the House left off in FBI/DOJ/CIA corruption investigations via the Senate Judiciary.
It's a shame he doesn't realize the weight his words carry. Most of us understand that calling him out won't change anything (if wishes were horses...). I'm trying to accept this and also, paying more attention to the words of Rabbi Meyers.
Drago said...
Strange that a blue wave requires such propping up, eh? Gee, it's almost as if the insider dems know something that they aren't telling the rubes like Inga and Freder.
Don’t forget Chuck.
He was calling me stupid a week ago for saying that the Republicans are not just going to hold the house but not lose more than 10 seats.
Republicans are going to come out well ahead in Congress.
Uselessness of civility bullshit tag.
kjbe: "It's a shame he doesn't realize the weight his words carry."
Any lefty: It's a shame he doesn't just stop fighting us and giving us our way as we destroy every republican and conservative in our sights with our smears.
FIFY
Trump is a counter puncher and anyone not deluded sees it. McCain called Trump supporters "crazies" before Trump made his crack about not being captured.
Tom Petty and Johnnie Cash both sang it: "You can stand me up at the Gates of Hell and I won't back down; I'll stand my ground."
Trump has internalized that message. And that's fine.
I just wish he didn't have so many self inflicted lacerations on his feet---those misfired Twitter shots can be painful. A wise person takes other people as they are--both the good and the bad parts, and on balance, I'd rather have Trump than any of the other Presidents or would be presidential candidates since the beginning of 1992.
Achilles: "Don’t forget Chuck.
He was calling me stupid a week ago for saying that the Republicans are not just going to hold the house but not lose more than 10 seats."
It's difficult for LLR Chuck to see and assess clearly when he is too busy being Dick Durbin's cuckholster.
"Trump is a counter puncher and anyone not deluded sees it."
-- Fighting with Trump is like wrestling a pig; you shouldn't do it. You both end up dirty, but the pig likes it.
There is some super PAC in Arizona now running attack ads on McSally paid for by some"Women" group.
Of course, they have nothing to do with far left Sinema.
One of those coincidences.
Michael K: " McCain called Trump supporters "crazies" before Trump made his crack about not being captured."
McCain made it clear in 2008 that he hated the republican/conservative base voters in the Republican party.
It's the first instance in modern US electoral politics that a national party nominated for President someone who hated his own voters, and let it be known that he did.
Gee, I can't imagine why he lost.
It's a real mystery.
John Kasich, another LLR Chuck's "fav's", is currently auditioning for "Biggest Republican Base Voter Hater" for 2020. I think he just might take the prize.
Mathew Sablan: "Fighting with Trump is like wrestling a pig; you shouldn't do it. You both end up dirty, but the pig likes it."
Like the dems aren't pigs.
One of my favorite things about President Trump.
Drago said...
McCain made it clear in 2008 that he hated the republican/conservative base voters in the Republican party.
Somehow Democrats got Utah to elect someone who supports Obamacare and cap and trade and amnesty.
Thank god Romney lost in 2012.
I view the left and the Jews as yet another repeat of a story in the Old Testament: Elijah versus King Ahab. Who was looking out for the Jews in that story? Elijah, prophet of the Lord, or Ahab and his wife Jezebel, worshippers of Baal, Astorah, and the rest of the pantheon?
Any Democrat will tell you that you should listen to Baal, Ahab, and Jezebel--the elites. But what did they actually do for the Jews? They brought drought, famine, and slavery. I.E. economic misery, woe, and loss of freedoms.
Elijah promised freedom by following the Lord. Yet most Jews followed Ahab--self defeating, no?
Oh yes, Elijah didn't do politeness either. And he attacked Baal and the elites without fail. Sound like someone we know?
"Fake News Must End!” ... “all Jews must die” "They" wrote, obliviously providing an example of their own fake(y) news.
Don’t forget Chuck.
He was calling me stupid a week ago for saying that the Republicans are not just going to hold the house but not lose more than 10 seats.
Republicans are going to come out well ahead in Congress.
I really think this is overly enthusiastic.
If the Republicans lose 20 seats or less, that will be a huge win. I'm expecting it to be closer to 40 seats.
The shooter was obsessed with the caravan, something trump has been trying to scare people about for weeks for political reasons. Why is it that the border patrol (and/or military) won't be able to handle it? They stop 300,000 people per year at the border and we know where the caravan is.
James Hodgkinson do-Denialist steve uhr: "The shooter was obsessed with the caravan, something trump has been trying to scare people about for weeks for political reasons."
The shooter was obsessed with hating Trump.
Steve Uhr and the lefties hate Trump.
We should arrest Steve Uhr and the lefties before they kill again.\
Plus: Hodgkinson, who was screaming "this is for healthcare" as he attempted to gun down republican lawmakers.
When will we have the courage to stop Steve Uhr and his fellow hate-speech purveyors?
Despite calls for the MSM to cool their overheated rhetoric after the deadly synagogue shooting and pipe bomb mailings, NY Post scribbler Mark Moore continued his assault on reasonable, accurate reporting by continuing to accuse Trump of stoking rage.
I can haz NY Post riter job now?
This is good
https://mobile.twitter.com/pegobry/status/1056848238790217730
There are a lot of Hallmark Christmas romcoms, if Amazon takes it upon itself to suggest 20 pages of them to you.
If you were in charge of a film club's offerings it would be amusing to play them all, after the WWII submarine film series.
Genre genre genre.
Wait. Wait. Wait.
Didn't the shooter think Trump was controlled by Jews? I mean, that doesn't sound "pro-Trump" to me. It sounds like "crazy racist guy with a gun" to me more than anything else.
Retarded white guy is the cause sought.
Michael K reports: There is some super PAC in Arizona now running attack ads on McSally paid for by some"Women" group.
Of course, they have nothing to do with far left Sinema
I'm hoping people here in AZ are not unduly influenced by TV ads. Sinema's are higher quality, though wholly misleading. McSally needed a better campaign manager. Still wish Ward had won.
The shooter was obsessed with Jews and Donald Trump. It’s kinda in the news you fucking cockbite.
MS: "Didn't the shooter think Trump was controlled by Jews? I mean, that doesn't sound "pro-Trump" to me. It sounds like "crazy racist guy with a gun" to me more than anything else."
Trump being controlled by the jews is precisely what the islamo-supremacists claim...and the western left is completely operationally aligned with the islamo-fascist supremacists.
And by Lefty rules, that makes them anti-semitic.
The logic is clear.
Damon Linker today writes the Hillary was right about the Deplorables, that these evil killer, white supremacists follow Trump like the Pied Piper. He hooks this to the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre. Keep in mind that the killer there hated Trump, called him a globalist, Jew-lover.
This is our media today. They deserve every slap down Trump delivers.
I must say, I'm going to have to request Steve Uhr ups his game a bit.
Pretty pathetic so far.
Sinema keeps portraying herself as a 'moderate' willing to work with her opponents in the Senate. I'm hopeful that the AZ State Troopers pulling their support will cause voters to look more thoroughly at her history.
I still don't get the connection then. It sounds like the guy hated Jews and Trump... or wait, did he like Trump and did he think that he was going to end the mind control?
I don't... I don't get how this can even be remotely blamed on Trump. Like, not even in the general, "It's the NRA's Fault!" level of blame.
Still wish Ward had won.
I think she would have been trounced by this stuff.
If McSally wins, which I think she will, maybe Ducey will appoint Ward to McCain's seat. She can then prove she is ready for the majors.
My question whether a male candidate will ever be able to run again.
Blogger steve uhr said...
The shooter was obsessed with the caravan, something trump has been trying to scare people about for weeks for political reasons.
So, you think open borders is OK ? Is that now the Democrats' position ? Good to know.
Agree with Ann's post, have long understood Trump's tweets and rhetoric, particularly those thrown at his media attackers, as a response to being attacked. The calls to "tone it down" are pure, unadulterated Civility Bullshit, purely political and no more than calls for him to shut up.
I thought he was obsessed with Jews controlling Trump.
Nice of Steve to straighten us out.
I went to a Trump rally recently. The strongest impression I came away with: the people there felt very deeply that Trump is their champion. He's fighting for them, fighting enemies who have declared against them, who have attacked them unprovoked in order to conquer them and take what they have, to take their country, their way of life, even the minds and hearts of their children. As long as Trump fights, these people will be willing to defend themselves within the system. If Trump stopped fighting... well, unless someone else appeared to fill the role Trump now occupies, things could get far less civil than they are now. I see no such person on the horizon.
To paraphrase Obama, the prog ruling class should thank Trump. He's the only thing standing between them and the pitchforks.
@Michael K., I though Ducey had already appointed Kyl to McCain's seat?
Matthew Sablan: "I still don't get the connection then."
There's nothing to get.
Stop trying.
The dems need certain narratives. They will generate those narratives. Stop pretending you don't see what they are doing as if there were some logic around it that could be understood.
The left will say whatever it takes to win "today" even if it completely reverses something they said 2 minutes ago. You see it here on this blog where the lefties argue 17 contradictory points all at the same time. Each one more ridiculous than the last.
Power. Whatever it takes to deliver it. Period.
steve uhr said...
"The shooter was obsessed with the caravan, something Trump has been trying to scare people about for weeks for political reasons."
I think you mean, "something Soros has been trying to ram up America's asshole for weeks."
Trump is not responsible for Soros "caravan", but he is responsible for defending the Constitution from its enemies, foreign and domestic. If I were trying to ram something up your ass, would you be mad at me, or the person trying to stop me? Although, that may not be a great analogy. You may enjoy that sort of thing.
McSally was anti-Trump and anti-border wall and, though I voted for her, many of us haven't forgotten where her real positions lie.
Through the centuries the Jews have endured terrible persecution. And you know that. We’ve all read it. We’ve studied it. They’ve gone through a lot. And those seeking their destruction — we will seek their destruction.
Donald J. Trump
His son and law and daughter are Jews.
A fact constantly brought up by leftists who think Trump is too aligned with Israel.
Of course the leftists are also perfectly aligned with the Palestinians as well.
Everyone knows who the antisemites are.
Bob Boyd: "I went to a Trump rally recently. The strongest impression I came away with: the people there felt very deeply that Trump is their champion. He's fighting for them, fighting enemies who have declared against them, who have attacked them unprovoked in order to conquer them and take what they have, to take their country, their way of life, even the minds and hearts of their children."
Precisely.
It's why the hatred of the LLR's for Trump transitions seamlessly to hatred for his voters. The dems/left/LLR's don't want Trump to succeed and they want even more for his supporters to be defeated and hounded and, according to left wing leaders, literally die off faster.
Bob Boyd @11:49: Nicely analyzed.
@Bob Boyd, that's what Kurt Schlichter is saying in his book Militant Normals. Use the Althouse Amazon to purchase.
Everyone knows who the antisemites are.
The real anti-Semites and the real racists are Democrats. Always have been. Why non-Orthodox Jews choose to be Democrats seems to me a form of self-flagellation.
Blame Trump and Trump blames you.
Needs a Trump is like Nietzsche's Abyss tag.
Let's take a closer look at that abyss
Mockturtle: "Why non-Orthodox Jews choose to be Democrats seems to me a form of self-flagellation."
Because they are more secular liberals than observant jews.
The media is trying to portray anti-antisemitism as a right-wing trait where in recent years it is the mainstream right who is "pro-israel" and the mainstream left who tolerates, and sometimes actively promotes, both anti-Israel views ...
The part you are missing is the little slight of hand where support for Israel became anti-Semitism. Many Jews on campus, professors and students, are very active in the anti-Zionist movement, and regard support for Israel is being against Jews.
No, I can't follow their logic either.
William Jacobson has had some good posts, though not recently, on this phenomenon in his LegalInsurection.com blog.
Big Mike: "No, I can't follow their logic either."
Their logic is clear.
The biggest obstacles to leftists implementing their world view globally is the United States and Israel.
It's just that simple.
Really. It is.
And I like this.
"And while N8 Ag gives Democrats an 85% chance of taking the House this time, the bookies give Republicans an 85% chance.
I would like to see N8 Ag lay down his silver on Democrats winning the House. Sure. He would have an 85% chance of more than doubling the money he wagers.
If he's so sure about the race, he should borrow a million bucks and bet it. The odds are that good, right?"
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/10/smart-money-says-republicans-keep-house.html#more
Where did I say I believe in open borders? I don't. When has any dem senator or congressman said he or she believed in open borders. How about a quote.
steve uhr: "Where did I say I believe in open borders? I don't."
You support the dems.
The dems are for open borders.
Your rules.
Learn to love them.
eric said...
I really think this is overly enthusiastic.
If the Republicans lose 20 seats or less, that will be a huge win. I'm expecting it to be closer to 40 seats.
Go look at early voting totals.
For example early voting in the Florida panhandle is down 66% but Republicans are outperforming 2016 statewide despite that.
We have data now. Real vote returns.
Because they are more secular liberals than observant jews.
I understand that but they are still subject to anti-Semitism.
"Trump obviously know this and can't be played . . . his opponents didn't refrain from closing right in on him and kicking him, and he kicks back."
It is a strength and a reason I grew to like him.
Whether it will backfire by causing nice suburban moms and nice retired law profs to vote Dem remains to be seen.
mockturtle: "I understand that but they are still subject to anti-Semitism."
Their political identity is all that matters to them. They are leftists/liberals. All else pales in comparison.
They will align with anyone, any force, any movement, that advances leftist/lib policies, which requires alignment with islamo-fascists on a global scale, even if that results in destruction of traditional barriers/force that kept them safe.
Be careful what you wish for. McSally has been playing the 'Girly Card' relentlessly and ruthlessly since she was at the AFA. Don't be shocked if she turns out to be Lisa Murkowski on steroids.
Colonel Mustard: "Be careful what you wish for. McSally has been playing the 'Girly Card' relentlessly and ruthlessly since she was at the AFA. Don't be shocked if she turns out to be Lisa Murkowski on steroids."
We know.
"Trump obviously know this and can't be played . . . his opponents didn't refrain from closing right in on him and kicking him, and he kicks back."
Yeah, which is very unlike our typical Republican politician and it's why he got elected and also why his poll numbers keep improving.
"I remember when Democrats complained about “dark money.”
10/29/18, 11:07 AM
It's only dark when it is used to benefit GOP candidates or causes. If a billionaire tosses millions the Democrats' way, that money is purer than Ivory soap.
During the Middle Ages, the rich could wipe their sins clean by buying indulgences from the Church (Luther certainly had a legitimate gripe there.) Giving big bucks to Dems and leftist causes is simply the modern secular version.
Civility BS. Good term. Pretty good example in the Detroit News a few days ago:
"Even those in the GOP who cringe at Donald Trump’s buffoonery give him a pass because, “His policies are working.” It may shock them to learn that a president can cut taxes and slash regulations without degrading the office and debasing his opponents with crude nicknames. You can be a gentleman, honorable and honest, and still champion a conservative agenda. Think Ronald Reagan.
They must truly think none of us have memories. At all. I remember how the mainstream media treated Reagan. I'll bet you can go over every page in the Detroit News during the time of the Reagan administration, and never once see the words honorable, honest, or gentleman used to describe him. Civility BS writ large..
Last night, I attended an interfaith vigil in support of the families of theTree of Life Synagogue dead and wounded. There were extraordinary calls for love, strength and compassion from leaders of many faiths and beliefs. Memories of other such events in our history were recounted by those who experienced them. And there were calls for civility, for a meeting of hearts instead of fears. Members of each congregation were asked to rise with their candles, to be recognized as sharing in their grief over this latest act of hatred. The tears on faces spoke of grief but every voice and every prayer spoke of determination and resolve, of the shared understanding that love is stronger than hate.
I was gratified to be there, to let my presence add to my community’s sense of strength, of loss and of support for one another.
Being a NYT subscriber, I can't begin to count the number of times it has published words to the effect of "Trump stated, without evidence ..."
Yet, without a hint of irony, the very same NYT relayed every one of the kind of Doctor that does no one any good Ford's uncontaminated by anything remotely resembling evidence accusations as if they were from the lips of God.
(I think the last sentence parses correctly ...)
Last night, I attended an interfaith vigil in support of the families of theTree of Life Synagogue dead and wounded. There were extraordinary calls for love, strength and compassion from leaders of many faiths and beliefs. Memories of other such events in our history were recounted by those who experienced them. And there were calls for civility, for a meeting of hearts instead of fears. Members of each congregation were asked to rise with their candles, to be recognized as sharing in their grief over this latest act of hatred. The tears on faces spoke of grief but every voice and every prayer spoke of determination and resolve, of the shared understanding that love is stronger than hate.
I was gratified to be there, to let my presence add to my community’s sense of strength, of loss and of support for one another.
President Trump on Monday continued his assault on the “Fake News Media” by continuing to accuse them of stoking rage.
The media are guilty as charged.
Being a NYT subscriber, I can't begin to count the number of times it has published words to the effect of "Trump stated, without evidence ..."
Yet, without a hint of irony, the very same NYT relayed every one of the kind of Doctor that does no one any good Ford's uncontaminated by anything remotely resembling evidence accusations as if they were from the lips of God.
(I think the last sentence parses correctly ...)
it's high time someone had the balls to call them out.
I remember watching a five year retrospective concerning the Hurricane Katrina reporting. It had Shep Smith on it and some other reporters and one of the goals was supposed to be evaluating their performance. Its self-evident to any disinterested individual that their performance was abysmal. They relayed rumors as fact without making the slightest attempt to corroborate them. Thus we were told that babies were being raped in the SuperDome and that after three days without food and water blacks had turned to cannibalism. Hordes of zombie like addicts were descending on hospitals, freezers were filled with bodies. All taken as gospel from panicked city officials and dutifully passed on. The consensus of the reporters on the panel was that they had done a bang-up job and they awarded themselves an A+.
Man upset at all the Jews in Trump's administration kills 11.
When will the media call for Trump to fire these Jews, both for the good of the country and to end the divisiveness they're causing?
In 2013, every single Democrat in the Senate voted for the Gang of Eight immigration overhaul bill that would have provided about $40 billion for border enforcement, including deploying thousands more agents and building 700 miles of fencing. Doesn't sound like open borders to me and yet trump constantly says all dems want to let in anyone and everyone. Simply not true. But good way to scare the base to get them out in full force next week.
Kellyanne signaling this morning that the numbers favor the Ds taking the House. It's hard to piece together a convincing victory for Ds using RCP or the other pollsters. Nate still thinks things like money signal voter preferences instead of the intensity of Steyer/Soros outrage.
”The consensus of the reporters on the panel was that they had done a bang-up job and they awarded themselves an A+.”
Katrina was when I first developed my intense dislike for Shepard Smith.
@steve uhr - Every single democrat would vote against that bill today. What does that tell you?
mockturtle said...
Because they are more secular liberals than observant jews.
I understand that but they are still subject to anti-Semitism. "
Sigh. What else is new? From the Wiki article about Stalin's infamous Doctors' Trials:
"In his Secret Speech at the Communist Party's Twentieth Congress, Nikita Khrushchev asserted that Stalin intended to use the Doctors' trial to launch a massive purge of the Communist Party. In addition, a number of new labor camps were built in Siberia, allegedly to deport most of the Soviet Jewish population to Siberia, similar to deportations of many other ethnic minorities in the Soviet Union, but the plan was not accomplished because of the sudden death of Stalin. According to Louis Rapoport, the genocide was planned to start from the public execution of the imprisoned doctors, and then the "following incidents would follow": "attacks on Jews orchestrated by the secret police, the publication of the statement by the prominent Jews, and a flood of other letters demanding that action be taken. A three-stage program of genocide would be followed. First, almost all Soviet Jews ... would be shipped to camps east of the Urals . . . Second, the authorities would set Jewish leaders at all levels against one another ... Also the MGB [Secret Police] would start killing the elites in the camps, just as they had killed the Yiddish writers ... the previous year. The ... final stage would be to “get rid of the rest."
And yet, as Red Diaper baby David Horowitz has chronicled, Jewish Communists in NY mourned the death of Stalin.
Blogger steve uhr said...
In 2013, every single Democrat in the Senate voted for the Gang of Eight immigration overhaul bill that would have provided about $40 billion for border enforcement,
Why didn't it Steve ? For lefties, wishing makes it so.
The 2013 Gang of Eight immigration bill has become the touchstone for the notion of bipartisan compromise since its demise. But for all of the attention given to the four Democrats and four Republicans who were its main sponsors, the comprehensive approach in which amnesty for all illegal immigrants was tied to border-security measures never garnered support from enough Republicans in Congress.
That’s because Republicans in Congress, and the constituents they represent, distrust the notion that the government could be trusted to secure the border so as to avoid another wave of illegal immigrants once the estimated 11 million already here were given a pass and potentially put on a path to citizenship. The 1986 immigration-reform bill signed by Ronald Reagan was supposed to solve a similar problem. But that amnesty effort merely resulted in another wave of illegal immigrants, who not unreasonably concluded that they, too, wouldn’t have to pay a price for jumping the queue to legally enter the United States.
It was a ploy, Steve. The Dims knew it was never going anywhere but lefties like you still cite it as evidence.
steve uhr said...
Doesn't sound like open borders to me ...
You can lie all you want.
Democrats are for open borders. Everyone knows it.
Everyone in the country knew the gang of 8 bill was a globalist hack job with fake border security and widespread amnesty for illegals.
The problem for you now is that the republican traitors that were working for your democrat owners are no longer in control of the republican party.
My question whether a male candidate will ever be able to run again.
As you know Michael, here in southern Arizona we have three congressional races.
CD1: Male Dem (O'Halleran) vs. Female Rep (Rogers)
CD2: Female Dem (Kirkpatrick) vs. Female Rep (Marquez Peterson)
Senate: Female Dem (Sinema) vs. Female Rep (McSally)
I suspect that White male politicians (especially Republicans) will stick to local offices such as Governor or AG (where there is some accountability) or go into another line of work. If you are a bright, young White male wanting to be in the national spotlight, you may very well get the Kavanaugh treatment.
steve uhr: "In 2013, every single Democrat in the Senate voted for the Gang of Eight immigration overhaul bill that would have provided about $40 billion for border enforcement, including deploying thousands more agents and building 700 miles of fencing."
LOL
The 1986 bill covered funding for the wall and it was never appropriated. The dems know that any bill passed would never result in any wall being built. The funding mechanism was just thrown in there to fool the people by both leaders of both parties.
That bill would also have accelerated chain migration (which is the key), another round of amnesty resulting in millions of uneducated socialist-indoctrinated 3rd worlders becoming rapid democrat voters, accelerated visa lotteries, and the agents would never have been hired.
What a joke.
You don't get it yet, do you? We are all on to the scam pal. We are all on to the uniparty scam.
mockturtle said...
McSally was anti-Trump and anti-border wall and, though I voted for her, many of us haven't forgotten where her real positions lie.
Remember what her district was. I'm going down to Martinez campaign headquarters this afternoon to make calls and try to hold the district for the GOP. Absent a red wave, it will be hard.
"I'm hopeful that the AZ State Troopers pulling their support will cause voters to look more thoroughly at her history."
The interesting thing there is that she is still showing DPS (state troopers) in her ads, just isn't claiming their support. The opposite, maybe, of guilt by association. That was pretty egregious - apparently their union came out in support of her candidacy. The rank and file asked: WTF? They didn't vote on it, and a lot of their members, for very good reason, oppose her. Probably a distinct majority. Why wouldn't they? She backs open borders, sanctuary cities, reducing prison sentences, etc, which are the sort of thing that keep the state police up nights worrying. AZ might not be Ground Zero in the immigration debate, but it is close, with the worst of the social problems caused by our out of control borders falling on law enforcement. As usual, she went to their union leadership, who knee jerk support Democrats for purely private political reasons, bypassing the actual Union membership, whose kids aren't getting into the top schools, etc by bringing along union endorsements for the Democrats.
Why wouldn't the Left take the deal Trump offered on immigration and the DREAMers?
steve uhr said...
In 2013, every single Democrat in the Senate voted for the Gang of Eight immigration overhaul bill that would have provided about $40 billion for border enforcement, including deploying thousands more agents and building 700 miles of fencing.
I looked all over for it. For some reason, I can't find a map that shows 700 miles of new border fencing built between 2013 and now. Perhaps you could locate it for us. After all, Democrats voted for it, so it must be real, right?
THIS is what I LOVE about Trump.
He won't quiet down. He stands his ground. He is a fighter. He is fighting for US the people who voted for him. He is a MAN.
He Won't Back Down
Well I won't back down, no I won't back down
You can stand me up at the gates of Hell
But I won't back down
No I'll stand my ground, won't be turned around
And I'll keep this world from draggin' me down
Gonna stand my ground and I won't back down
(I won't back)
Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
(I won't back down)
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won't back down
Well I know what's right, I got just one life
In a world that keeps on pushin' me around
But I'll stand my ground and I won't back down.....
Why should he quiet down. The media blames him for their constipation in the morning.
All because their corrupt Chuck Todd George Clintonoplis red queen lost.
"Democrats are for open borders. Everyone knows it.
Everyone in the country knew the gang of 8 bill was a globalist hack job with fake border security and widespread amnesty for illegals. "
All you have to look at is how chain migration is being handled by legislation to see if the bill is pro or anti open borders. Throw in amnesty, and you are nearing 100% certainty. Chain migration effectively works by importing entire villages of illiterate peasants, if a single villager somehow gets in. The numbers of illegals will, frankly, not give the Democrats the demographic lock on our politics that they so desperately want. They are battling the reality that Hispanics, in particular, move to the right the longer their families are here, in this country, and the more they assimilate. And assimilate they do, far better than, for example, Blacks. This time of year, we live in a new subdivision that is over half Hispanic, mostly second generation, with maybe their first generation parents living with them (and their third generation munchkins). It could be anywhere else in suburbia, except there seems to be more pride of ownership (e.g. no weeds in the entire subdivision), you do hear the occasional Spanish language and music. Plus, everyone is such an entrepreneur. For the most part, they could be easily dropped into a majority White subdivision anywhere in the country, without really a ripple.
Lost down the memory hole is Trump’s meeting in November 2016 with the editors and opinion writers of the New York Times as President-elect to reach some level of rapprochement.
It makes me think of a Grade B western where the hero walks into a bar and the local toughs try to goad him into a fight. It’s an old plot device. He gives them a chance to walk away but they keep pushing so he beats the crap out of them. Trump slamming the fake news media reminds me of that.
Proof that approximately 40% of people that answered this poll are irretrievably stupid and vote democrat.
Fifty percent (50%) of all voters now believe the improving economy is due more to Trump than to President Obama, while 40% think it is more the result of the policies Obama put in place before he left office. Credit to Trump has been on the rise since October 2017 when voters were evenly divided, 45% to 45%, over who was more responsible for the improving economy.
In 2006, Congress did pass a bill to build a wall. The Congressman from Phoenix was the sponsor.
What happened? The Democrats took Congress in 2006 and the wall vanished as if it had never been there. It was ignored even though it had passed.
Reminder: they weren't pipe bombs. They were pipes. Yes, it makes a difference. Which is why the distinction isn't made.
Exiled notes: And yet, as Red Diaper baby David Horowitz has chronicled, Jewish Communists in NY mourned the death of Stalin.
Indeed. In addition to self-flagellation, I see it as a kind of penance [for being successful at making money, perhaps?].
CNN is awful
Perhaps if CNN were not so awful, crazy nut jobs wouldn't lose their minds over CNN.
Normal people might like CNN better, too.
Alas, CNN began for Clinton and remains the Clinton News Network. All roads.
Trump is right. Somebody called Inga anti-semitic yesterday and she got all huffy. Imagine if you were falsely accused of that and worse time and time again by the MSM, see if that would get you upset. But the "thief" thing might be getting ahead of the evidence. He does seem to not mind stepping around the law though.
My favorite bit so far is the conceit that Trump was reading the shooter's gab feed, and apparently to win him over, responding to him through public pronouncements. The shamelessness of the partisan press is more than I can take anymore.
I completely wrote off gadfly when he said that had been clearly demonstrated that Trump colluded with the Russians to "affect" the election.
It's one thing to affect the election of Trump, you can do that without changing a single vote, it's quite another thing to effect the election of Trump. If the Russians did that, we may as well bow down to them now and sign over the deed to the United States, because they are obviously so far above us that resistance is futile.
An advantage to a diverse (i.e.colorful), high-density population center, is that it is impossible to remain naively idealistic. Trump was forged in New York City. He knows its cosmopolitan climate and the Democrat machine specifically.
Yeah, but the left has gotten out of hand. They have stopped pretending to be even handed and spend all day every day bashing Trump, his supporters and his accomplishments. Look at the homepage for CNN, NBC, CBS, The NYT, The Hill and it will be all negative coverage of Trump. They used to try to sneak stuff in, now it is blatant. The same media refused to cover Obama scandals, most of which were worse than an obnoxious Tweet.
Jew slaughtering is 1500 years old and going strong despite a brief shaming from the Holocaust silenced it. What is weird is that so many fall into the trap.
“1500 years”? Where did that number come from? “Jew slaughtering” is far older than that. We're all writing our dates with a 2 thousand in them because it's far older than that. Read Esther and you'll see that it's more than a thousand years older than that. Or Moses and boost it by perhaps a thousand more.
Imagine if you were falsely accused of that and worse time and time again
It's implicit in "diversity", anti-abortion, anti-immigrant, whatever-phobia, anti-science, anti-grandma, Jew... I mean, Asian... White ("white girls next door") privilege, conflation of Nazis and libertarians, etc.
Sadly, Trump is not wrong.
CNN, NBC, CBS, The NYT, The Hill
PBS: build bridges, not walls.
It's a nice slogan that obfuscates the real issues, and simultaneously paints a class of people with broad, sweeping strokes.
steve uhr said:
"In 2013, every single Democrat in the Senate voted for the Gang of Eight immigration overhaul bill that would have provided about $40 billion for border enforcement, including deploying thousands more agents and building 700 miles of fencing."
Forty billion would have been significant but I'm only seeing about 4.5 billion on Wikipedia. Do you have a reference?
CNN was actually running a scroll - "Trump tells falsehoods to effect Mid-terms" .
Doesn't sound like open borders to me and yet trump constantly says all dems want to let in anyone and everyone. Simply not true.
If it's not true, why aren't the Dems on TV talking about how they want to only admit certain groups?
If it's not true, why aren't we bombarded with media reports about the Democrat plan for immigration to refute Trump's "lies"?
The truth is the Democrat Party's very survival is predicated on massive and ongoing immigration to replace the voters lost to globalization and anti-white, anti-male affirmative action. The more left the party moves, the more immigrants are required to make up for lost native votes.
It's very much an existential issue for them, and Trump knows it.
The Washington Post has an article up, informing the public that Donald and Melania Trump will be visiting the site of the Jewish massacre.
After reading the first 5o comments or so, it's clear that the NPC meme is dead accurate, and the media are the programmers.
CNN was actually running a scroll - "Trump tells falsehoods to effect Mid-terms".
The Costanza Principle: It's not a lie, if you believe it.
Trump should adopt the vocabulary of his opponents.
"Fake News Media has no place in our public discourse."
Still true:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/15/donald-trump-has-a-dirty-little-secret-hes-obsessed-with-the-media/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7781cbe0624e
CNN was actually running a scroll - "Trump tells falsehoods to effect Mid-terms".
Pity they don't know the proper homonym for this context, 'affect'.
Forty four million fewer black babies since Roe vs Wade?. Dems gotta make those votes up elsewhere. Do democrats lock their doors at home? How about when they're driving the car? Do their drivers, (doubtless armed), lock the doors?
Peanut has discovered Trump's secret.
Tell us Peanut.
He is the best president on media since Coolidge used radio.
Sure Doc Mike, you and others have been convinced that he's the best eva:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2018/10/29/michael-moore-releases-footage-mail-bomber-suspect-cesar-sayoc-trump-rally/?utm_term=.ba45686e583d
Really got yur thinkin' caps on.
Anywho, one thing about my first link from aug 18, the last paragraph about a worn out line that still works is funny. Esp comparing the DJT tweet from back then to "brand new" ones today.
If cons were harder to manipulate, DJT would still be a D.
Aug 16, not 18
And I fully support him in this.
Trump’s Dreamer offer a year or so ago was very generous. That the Dems did not welcome it tells you all you need to know. They either want the flow of illegals to continue, the status quo as a political issue, or both.
What I love love love about the lefties is despite a virtual tidal wave of real world results which by definition negate their theories they never adapt.
They simply spout the same stuff but at a higher volume. Their feedback loops are hopelessly truncated. More of a feedback ramp.....to oblivion.
Their only hope, as in Venezuela and elsewhere, is to literally outlaw their opposition.
They were getting closer to that fevered dream state here...until that meddling Trump showed up!!
Yeah adSs, that Trump sure doesn't understand a thing about the media or how to play it.
LOL
Just keep telling yourself that. It will make you feel better...for awhile.
Steve Uhl: I job that vote with the number of times the eGOPs in Congress voted to abort Obamacare. They knew it wasn't going anywhere either.
The first time a vote might actually have that effect, you couldn't see Capital Hill from the smoke caused by all that backtracking.
This is why we got Trump.
Trump as Tar Baby.
“There is great anger in our Country caused in part by inaccurate, and even fraudulent, reporting of the news. The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly.”
And they can start by calling homeopathy "water" (and also calling for banning it because it makes no sense to regulate a fraud) and they can point out Dr. Oz is a Quack in the White House and GOOP goes against science and on and on and on until we get a new, more rational world.
And all without appointing tim in vermont's hated "Reality Czar"
Steve Uhr asserted that Dems were all for border security.
Okay. I am for amnesty. Let's trade.
But as the party who broke their word once before, Dems have to put cash on the barrelhead:
1) A Wall. You can't turn a wall off with an Executive order, like you can Ice. You can't turn a wall off with an off switch like you can drones. A wall is a wall and compared to the boondoggles Dems have paid for before, it is cheap.
2) No Chain Migration beyond one generation and one blood 'jump'. Jose can bring in his wife, his kids and his parents...if they pass the screening. Maybe his brother and sister. But the NAIL is set at Jose. If Pablo gets in, he does not get to pull in his wife's brothers and his wife's parents. One jump from Jose as the Patron.
3) E-Verify
4) An audit of the California voting rolls. They stink to high heaven. You know who is scared of an audit? Crooks!
I would even offer that AMNESTY is given to any crooked findings in California's voting rolls...but they crooked practices have to stop and the malefactors lose their jobs (and their reputations). But no jail for them. Seems fair.
In return, the Dreamers you care OH SO MUCH about and the 11 million others get to stay...with a legal codicil that there is a moratorium on any amnesty for 40 years and removing it requires a 2/3 majority in both houses.
And we'll even throw in welfare for the bastards. But no voting for 10 years.
Steve Uhl: "I job that vote with the number of times the eGOPs in Congress voted to abort Obamacare. They knew it wasn't going anywhere either."
Well well well.
Look who just caught up.
Crack: "And they can start by calling homeopathy "water" (and also calling for banning it because it makes no sense to regulate a fraud) and they can point out Dr. Oz is a Quack in the White House and GOOP goes against science and on and on and on until we get a new, more rational world."
My counter-offer is "no".
Next.
The Crack Emcee said...
And they can start by calling homeopathy "water" (and also calling for banning it because it makes no sense to regulate a fraud) and they can point out Dr. Oz is a Quack in the White House and GOOP goes against science and on and on and on until we get a new, more rational world.
OMG, common ground, something we can agree on. And I'll add, why would a "news"paper carry an astrology column? One of the reasons I would never support William Weld for any public position is he appointed the first (and hopefully last) official state astrologer in US history.
Gospace: "And I'll add, why would a "news"paper carry an astrology column?"
Really?
How about: additional revenue.
"I would never support William Weld for any public position is he appointed the first (and hopefully last) official state astrologer in US history."
Joan Quigley?
"You can't turn a wall off with an off switch like you can drones."
Unfortunately you can turn off a wall, just by removing the guards.
An unmanned, unwatched wall will have portals torn into it, ramps will be bulldozed, tunnels dug. Or, indeed, a government could just administratively open or liberalize access through the already existing border crossings.
Under the present political alignment, it is certain that the next Democratic administration will do just that. It is to their political benefit to import a population that will vote for them.
Achilles,
Voting in the panhandle is down? Why? Did they get hit by a hurricane or something?
Astrology wasn't born in a manger w/ a daddy who created earth some six or ten thousand years ago.
@FIDO - I could live with that. The Dems will never take it. Hell, they won’t even talk about it, because mumble, mumble, ...
In most cases, calls for civility are BS. However, at some point you have to call them on their calls for civility.
I didn't vote for Trump (or Her Highness). So this is coming from a "probably not Trumper"...
Pre-election, Trump would say something impolitic. It wasn't good. Definitely a "foot in the mouth" kind of thing. On its own it would have a sufficient attack surface to do some damage.
But, he would be accused of saying or meaning things he clearly (based on the whole context of the statement). For example, he's been labeled a homophone and a racist. Neither of which seem to actually fit with anything he's actually done or advocated for/against. He is accused, without facts in evidence, of things that aren't true.
They feed Trump Derangement Syndrome. And worse, by inaccurately reporting on what he's actually said and/or done they provide him with ammunition to call Fake News - and he's correct. They're making things up. Then they complain that he's attacking "journalists" when they're clearly not being objective in their reporting.
Honest, objective reporting would have probably sunk Trump before the election. But the TDS fever's incubation period was too short and the infection set in too early. Now, it's too late and I'm pretty sure there is no cure.
So, when Trump calls for "civility", he's actually right in this case. And, if the reporting on him was accurate, and unbiased, they'd might be able real headway -- but it may be too late as his support solidifies a bit more as the attacks continue. In a way, Trump is simply pointing out that they're really not interested in being civil, just like he exposed the EU when he offered truly free trade.
Maybe he's not really calling for civility but exposing the Left as what they are...
I still think he's got serious issues... not sure if I'm willing to vote for him in 2020. But I'm certain I won't vote for the Democrat.
#WithdrawnConsent
"Astrology wasn't born in a manger w/ a daddy who created earth some six or ten thousand years ago."
Astrology was born, probably, in Sumer or Babylon. Or possibly in China in parallel.
You have close relatives of European-Mediterranean Astrology in India and China.
Quite an interesting coincidence really.
However spurious, astrology is a very ancient part of human culture.
This has to be like ground hog day for the left. A shooting happens, outrage is directed at Trump (to no real effect) and any idea of addressing it with new gun control laws are DOA. As much as they try to control their knee jerk reaction at venting their spleen at Trump they just can't suppress it long enough for anyone to believe their sincerity.
Yep Trump is kicking back at those 35,000 folks who signed an open letter from the leaders of Pittsburgh-based Jewish group who say the president is not welcome there unless he denounces white nationalism and stops targeting minorities. Not going to happen folks, he knows what appeals to his base.
anti-de Sitter space said...
"I would never support William Weld for any public position is he appointed the first (and hopefully last) official state astrologer in US history."
Joan Quigley?
Darrell Blair-Edward Martinie a.k.a. The Cosmic Muffin
Was not widely reported outside of Massachusetts. If reported at all outside Massachusetts. I was living in Maine at the time and read it in the Boston Globe.
I don't know: calling Trump a “homophone” might have some truth in it…!
Roesch, what if Trumps supporters, or those of any policy you dislike, sign a petition in the hundreds of thousands? Or a million, or more. There have been several such against abortion for instance.
Naturally, that is a conclusive point on that controversy. Or perhaps it isn't.
Anyone can play this game.
Yep Trump is kicking back at those 35,000 folks who signed an open letter from the leaders of Pittsburgh-based Jewish group who say the president is not welcome there unless he denounces white nationalism and stops targeting minorities. Not going to happen folks, he knows what appeals to his base.
What appeals to his base is striking back at bald partisans who call anyone they disagree with racists. We don't let them get away with that nonsense anymore.
Please provide evidence that Trump has 'targeted minority' CITIZENS. Illegals don't count because that is targeting CRIMINALS.
What the hell is “ white nationalism”?
@Original Mike,
What the hell is “ white nationalism”?
An idea by the Left that postulates that an equal percentage of the Republican base longs for a lily-white homeland as does the percentage of their base that longs for a black (Nation of Islam & New Black Panther Party) or Latino (MECHA & fringes of La Raza) homeland.
"Yep Trump is kicking back at those 35,000 folks who signed an open letter..."
You mean, with a pen, or by clicking the like or heart icon on facebook or instagram.
"What the hell is “ white nationalism”?
Several things, depends on your definition. It is a vague term usually applied rhetorically. But there are real phenomena behind the rhetoric.
One is a racially-oriented politics. What South Africa had with the Afrikaner National Party for instance, the same as that of many American minority political organizations, like the former (now renamed) La Raza.
Another meaning is the racial sorting of American politics. Non-Jewish white Americans are becoming extremely Republican, a quite interesting phenomenon. In many places political alignment is highly correlated with race. And Republicanism has been the natural home of American nationalism since at least the 1960's.
This is the inverse of the creation of the Afrikaner National Party, wherin the identity of the party came first, and the membership came after. In the American case it is the membership, by simply joining, that is to a degree redefining the existing party.
It is a bit absurd to object to "white nationalism" in American politics because it is a movement of masses of people that are defining the sides and, well, their color. It is an objection not to some politician but to dozens of millions of people.
Buwaya I don't believe the folks in Pittsburgh were signing a petition against a policy they don't agree with so I don't follow your argument unless your suggesting that Trump has a policy of discrimination?
Tell me R/V,
Who exactly is the faction playing politics over the bodies of the dead by crafting that open letter? You claim to be a university level academic. Use that trained mind of yours, and give an honest answer. If only to your own conscience.
Granted the Afrikaners were rather more specific than simply "white", in their membership, being defined not just by race but by ethnicity, as Afrikaners, as opposed to other whites, mainly Anglo-derived, which usually belonged to opposition parties. But the NP's policies were of necessity racially aligned and benefited the Anglos as well.
What’s the chances Tom Petty would’ve backed down at 1/100,000,000th of the onslaught Trump has taken? I’m guessing Petty would’ve back down quicker than Meghan Kelly’s her blackface onslaught.
Trump doesn’t back down. Everybody else does.
Roesch,
The petition was against "white nationalism", which implies a set of policies. So the creators and signers are asserting that Trump is implementing such policies or intends to, or that they fear that he does.
Else whats the point?
It is a bit absurd to object to "white nationalism" in American politics because it is a movement of masses of people that are defining the sides and, well, their color. It is an objection not to some politician but to dozens of millions of people.
The movement is mostly related to the "othering" going on at the hands of racial spoils system hopefuls, like Crack.
White people, in my experience, don't (or at least didn't until Obama and his race based politics) think of themselves as "white."
They are just people. Racial agitators have been busy making distinctions, like calling black kids who want to study and avoid gang signs and clothing, as "acting white." That is punished by the underclass which is determined to define what is "normal" in their communities.
Latinos until very recently, thought of themselves as White unless they had heavy Indian ancestry.
The Chinese and Japanese thought of themselves as superior races, not inferior.
This is a destructive trend as it seems to be infecting education and even such topics as Engineering.
Dying media monetizes hate. TDS fills the coffers. I guess they miss manipulating a movement.
Chicago 68 redux. One can only hate who they tell you to. All this bullshit conflict 24/7 has got to be affecting the children as well.
A person who gets it.
You might think just this once — because 11 people were massacred — he'd go presidential, bow his head, and sing "Amazing Grace," but his opponents didn't refrain from closing right in on him and kicking him, and he kicks back.
Looks like he's flailing, actually. As are you -- blaming his opponents for his inability to be, or even act, presidential. How pathetic.
But now it gets worse for him, and you should take notice, blondie. Because now he's using the pathetic "they're my own people (i.e. grandchildren) card," and he won't do a fucking thing for them. He's either hateful, or impotent. Take your pic. He can't. If he's not out to throw Jews under the bus with his white nationalism then you'd think he could keep the hate crimes against them from rising 50% under his watch or the worst massacre of them in U.S. history from taking root. But now we know he'd throw his own family under the bus. He doesn't mind making them sitting ducks. Collateral damage. Targets in his strategy of appealing to the Robert Bowerses of America, telling them to hate Jewish Soros and the other "globalists", arming them to the teeth and fanning hatred of anyone different in general.
You're fast slipping into Nazi apologia territory, lady. I'd suggest you take a good look at what you're doing before you end up on the Nazi side of history, wherever it leads.
Goddamn Weimar Republicanazis.
Somebody called Inga anti-semitic yesterday and she got all huffy.
Well yeah. I mean, unlike Trump, she apparently actually cares about what happens to her family.
Trump got his alcoholic brother killed.
Just doesn't care about anyone but himself. You people will never understand.
"Trump is kicking back at those 35,000 folks who signed an open letter from the leaders of Pittsburgh-based Jewish group"
It's a hard-core progressive Jewish political action group (Bend The Arc) based in New York with a branch office in Pittsburgh.
If, in out time of grief, a "Jewish" group wished to exacerbate the tensions - it would do what this group did.
I question their sincerity and their motives.
Why non-Orthodox Jews choose to be Democrats seems to me a form of self-flagellation.
Go mockturtle! Spoken like a true antagonist of the wheelchair-bound Democrat who actually defeated the very Nazis that the Republican Great Depression brought to power.
It's ok. I'm sure you would have been an "America Firster!" in the 1930s, also. Or worse.
Those Jews are always someone else's problem, aren't they? Even 90-year old American Jews.
Go and arm their enemies as best you can and fan their anti-Jewish conspiracy "globalist" rhetorical hatred as best you can. As only you can!
Go do it!
Jews good.
Orange man bad.
If, in out time of grief, a "Jewish" group wished to exacerbate the tensions - it would do what this group did.
I question their sincerity and their motives.
Of course you do.
And then you will "question" their citizenship. Or at least their loyalty.
Hitler showed no compunction in stripping Jewish German war heroes of their WWI medals and accolades. And then he sent them on to the death camps as well.
Sounds like you're just the type of guy to buy into that sort of tactic. Sold!
Michael K's look into otherism is laudable and his latter analysis is apt, but he hasn't gone far enough.
It was when some white men in the North, whose ancestors had freed the slaves, themselves began to feel themselves a minority even though others of their cohort held every single lever of power and wealth in the society. MK cites Obama's election as the timing point, sounds right.
Now Ann thinks that President Trump has every right to feel aggrieved that people hate him because they think he has disgraced his office, and are humiliated therefor. Ann thinks this a big joke, now as the white nationalists and their anti-Jew confederates on places like this blog and worse see her and her president as supporters.
My minority view is that white American men have a duty to their nation and her ideals, because of our greater privilege, to eventually cede power. It's better for everyone, who outnumber us.
Nobody impotently rages on the internet quite as well as Ritmo.
I wonder if anybody reads what Ritmo types, even Ritmo itself.
Birkel said...
Nobody impotently rages on the internet quite as well as the Jews.
I wonder if anybody reads what the Jews type, even the Jews themselves.
FTFY. That is after all what you meant to say.
Despite calls for him to cool his overheated rhetoric after the deadly synagogue shooting and pipe bomb mailings, President Trump on Monday continued his assault on the “Fake News Media” by continuing to accuse them of stoking rage.
Calls from whom? That very same fake media. You'd have to be an idiot to believe Trump's rhetoric had anything to do with the synagogue shooting.
Being called a Nazi sympathizer by Ritmo makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
FTFY. That is after all what you meant to say.
There, you see, Birkel? Ritmo can win an argument if he's on both sides.
Rabel said...
Being called a Nazi sympathizer ... makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Comment speaks for itself. The right-wing roots of what you're seeing at work.
I mistook you for chicken little (same bluish abstract designs) but no matter. The implications of what you say couldn't be clearer.
Ritmo can win an argument if he's on both sides.
Well I'm not on the Jew-killing side.
But our president has me beat on that one. After all, he can get as many Jews killed as he wants, and just say that it's ok because his grandchildren being Jews MAKES it ok! Ok?
The NRA (and its homies here) fought for Robert Bowers' rights. Let's not forget that.
How many Robert Bowerses would the right-wingers here try to keep as well-armed as possible?
How many of them are they keeping as well-armed as possible right now?
I realize you think it's ok, that getting those Jews killed for your sins is just how it should work.
But don't you think you should've asked them, first?
At least go ask their surviving relatives.
I like to imagine Ritmo waving his tiny baby arms as his tiny baby fingers tap keys furiously.
Somebody lost the pacifier.
How hard it must be to a white nationalist these days who doesn't hate Jews.
Hating the Jews kind of helps it all fit together better, no?
I mean you can blame Robert Bowers, but he was confused. Hating all non-whites and hating Jews used to be of a piece.
Why did you change up the rules on him like that? What were you expecting?
Birkel said...
I like to imagine Ritmo waving his tiny baby arms as his tiny baby fingers tap keys furiously.
Somebody lost the pacifier.
Of course, that's what a Republicanazi like you would say. Just as you pump your fat, stubby fingers around your AR-15 and imagine yourself breaking Robert Bowers' record.
And yet, as Red Diaper baby David Horowitz has chronicled, Jewish Communists in NY mourned the death of Stalin.
So did non-jewish communists. WTF is your point?
Oh yeah. TO prove that they're not as nationalistic (i.e. "pure") as you think they should be.
Waah waah waah!
Type more furiously and more impotently FTW!
You got this Rit-baby.
That's the best baby birkel can come up with when his boy, President Jew-Killer, is shown to be someone who will throw the safety of his own family under the bus for the sake of his political support.
There's no way this works well for Trump or the party he owns. He has now shown himself to be an idiot, a coward and a complete moral failure. And given what America accomplished and became globally victorious in 73 years ago, a moral disaster on a national scale.
A complete disgrace. A national disaster.
And all birkel has to say about it is something about as fatuous and ignorable as what Robert Bowers said in court today.
To answer Pickering -
"though others of their cohort held every single lever of power and wealth in the society."
This is a critical point, and a critical distinction, and a critical error - "others of their cohort"
The problem here is that the people that Trump has mobilized are NOT of that cohort. There is an enormous cultural and social gulf between those that hold "every single lever of power and wealth in the society" and Trumps supporters. At the high end (inside the 1%, say) the distinction cuts rather irregularly, but it is clear anyway. The commanding heights of nearly all American institutions are controlled by people with no sympathy, few common values, and certainly no mutual identity with the white volk. They might as well be foreigners.
What you have in the US is not a race war, but a caste war, white against white. The colored people are along to make up numbers for the side of the small white minority that is the master class, and their fellow travelers.
Ritmo thread. That ends all intelligent conversation.
In other words, if there are "white men" who need to cede power (and that is absurd; meritocracy is, by nature), they are almost to a man the sort of fellows who finance the Democratic Party, and head all liberal-oriented institutions, and that includes the senior management of the F1000.
It really is a strange argument, that of "white privilege", or at least one aspect of its oddity, that it is deployed largely against the portion of whites who benefit least from it, by those whites who benefit the most.
There is an enormous cultural and social gulf between those that hold "every single lever of power and wealth in the society" and Trumps supporters.
I'm currently listening to "The Revolt of the Elites" on audio and he makes that point very well.
What you have in the US is not a race war, but a caste war, white against white.
Yes.
K. defines as the "end" to intelligent conversation any comment to which he's too dumb to know how to respond.
Yeah, no one still cares what you're reading, either. K.
Clearly you are incapable of learning from anything you read. So what's the point?
It's like teaching monkeys sign language. In the end, they're just gesticulating.
Michael K. can be trained, but not taught. He's like a seal in that aspect.
Failed molecular biology student, Ritmo, poisons every thread he infests.
I have better things to do than skim your trash.
You missed your chance. Goebbles could have used you but you are not subtle enough for him.
Then again, most comments are comments to which K. is too dumb to know how to respond.
I never "failed" any molecular biology class or curriculum, K. Just like your Jew-killer of a president, you lie and obsess with the word "fail," because you know how much of a failure you yourself are. Like when you said Craig Venter "discovered" the human genome.
And then you said he was the first to decode human genes.
History remembers what you say. You are just Trumpian enough to accuse others of what you've been called out for. Goebbels, indeed! More lies than any other president - just like you.
Hell, perhaps K. would even throw his own kids under the bus, just like Trump does. In fact, the way K. talks often leads any reasonable person to conclude he'd do exactly just that.
Goebbels was a very talented man.
He had a Doctorate from Heidelberg after all.
That was not something the Germans gave away in a cereal box.
In any society he would have been a considerable success, most likely, despite his personality flaws. The tragedy is that his flaws coincided with the times, and his utility in a horrible cause. As Ortega y Gasset would say, "I am I, and my circumstances".
A Goebbels in post-war Germany would have been a different creature. How many Goebbels are there about today, espousing diverse causes?
Michael K. kind of looks like Robert Bowers.
Interesting.
Does he reference Julien bends traison du clercs
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