BREAKING. Activists just chased @TedCruz out of a fancy Washington DC restaurant, chanting “We Believe Survivors!”— Smash Racism DC (@SmashRacismDC) September 25, 2018
Cruz has been friends with creep Kavanaugh for 20 years. Now Cruz is on judiciary committee hearing his testimony.
Fascists not welcome! #CancelKavanugh pic.twitter.com/7mx6Tc32za
Here's the write-up in the NY Post:
Following Cruz and his wife through the restaurant, the self-described constituent and “survivor of sexual assault” then proceeds to shout: “Senator, I have a right to know what your position is on Brett Kavanaugh.”Is this group for real? Because they are helping Kavanaugh. False flag? Stupid people? Deliberately careless chaos-making?
To which Cruz says, “God bless you, ma’am.”
The activists eventually surround his table, prompting the Republican and his wife to leave. “Let’s go ahead and go,” Cruz can be heard saying....
“Vote no on Kavanaugh!” one protester screamed at him. “Cancel Kavanaugh for women’s rights.”
This seems to be their Facebook page. The same videos are posted there. 400+ comments, including:
1. "Beto is way hotter than you, dude"
2. "Beto wouldn’t approve of this type of behavior!!! Just saying"/"Then fuck him too. Power to the people, not the politician."/"Who gives a shit? Beto ain’t the revolution."/"You must not know who the clash are then. Beto name checked their song the clampdown in reference to Ted Cruz, he might not be able to outwardly approve of harassing ted Cruz but I doubt he's opposed to it."
3. "There is a whole lot of people commenting here that come November 2018 are going to be crying like they did in November 2016! Antics like these drive people in the middle away! Not wanting guilt by association!"
4. "This is disgusting, you people are simply thugs. You win the argument with reasoned debate not harassment and chants. Morons"
5. "I wish these douchebags would try that shit in front of me, they would all be taking a trip to the local trauma center. I have had enough of the leftist bullshit and its time we conservatives fight back"
At that Facebook page, they are also identified as @AntifaDC.
As for those comments, I don't agree with any of them. I mean #1 is technically true, just irrelevant. I agree with part of #3 but wouldn't make an outright prediction about the midterms. 2 of the sentences in #4 are true, but the middle one is only a nice idea. #5 — which may itself be false-flag, shows the right can be just as ugly as the left. #2 is a jumble of comments, but what's the bit about The Clash? I have to do research. Okay:
From Spin, "Beto O’Rourke Could Be the First Candidate for U.S. Senate to Reference The Clash in a Debate":
Beto O’Rourke might just be the coolest candidate in U.S. Senate history. It’s a well-known fact that he grew up playing in punk bands with At The Drive-In’s Cedric Brixler-Zavala, and he also jammed with Willie Nelson at the songwriter’s annual Fourth of July picnic this year in Austin. Now as Splinter points out, the Texas democrat snuck in a reference to The Clash’s 1979 song “Clampdown” in a debate Friday night with Senator Ted Cruz. What can’t he do?Here's "Clampdown" at YouTube, and here are the lyrics. Excerpt:
“I want to make sure that, again, we’re not giving away to corporations or special interests,” O’Rourke said. “That’s what Senator Cruz would do thanks to the contributions that he’s received from those political action committees. He’s working for the clampdown and the corporations and the special interests. He’s not working for the people of Texas.”
In these days of evil presidentesSpeaking of Ted Cruz and restaurants, according to his wife, "He's the first one to say let's go out and eat hair. Human hair."
(Workin' for the clampdown)
But lately one or two has fully paid their due
For (workin' for the clampdown)
Ha! Get along! Get along!
(Workin' for the clampdown)
Ha! Get along! Get along!
(Workin' for the clampdown)
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204 এর 1 – থেকে 200 আরও নতুন» সবচেয়ে নতুন»These clowns are all over my twitter feed. If it is a false-flag operation, they have every base covered.
Another 50,000 votes for Donald Trump. Another point or two for Kavanaugh in public opinion. Probably a point or two for mid-term Republicans. Put the whole pattern together, including the actual violence, and no decent person will cast a vote for the Democrats.
What can’t he do?
Win?
Althouse has gotten her Che t-shirt out of the cedar chest.
“God bless you, ma’am.”
More like Bless your heart
Well, at least there's no civility bullshit.
Only a matter of time before one of these protesters takes one for the team .... in a large way.
Why would a false flag operation be necessary. It doesn't make sense. The Dems are doing it all themselves already.
"#5 — which may itself be false-flag, shows the right can be just as ugly as the left."
Thank for for supplying this morning's dose of false equivalence. How many people have "the right" driven out of public lately? How many opponents' political rallies has "the right" broken up?
That is, you get no particular additional gain from a false flag operation these days, and run a great risk. The risk/reward ratio is awful for false flag.
"shows the right can be just as ugly as the left"
Uh huh. Sending thugs to attack people, and *responding* to their violence with violence is "just as ugly". That must be why the concept of self defense has no bearing in law. Oh wait...
What the hell is wrong with these people?
Human hair on your plate at a restaurant makes you feel skeevy. Especially if you have eaten some of the meal already. Thinking, "Oh my word, what have I swallowed?"
Are we back to admiring the cool kids? Reminds of the cool kid in “Ladybird”, Kyle. No, it’s not his first time. You’re like number six
(I wonder if Beto plays the Sax.)
At this point calling it a false flag is attempting to retroactively apply the false flag.
Republican Primary Voters for President 2016: 31 million.
Donald Trump: 45%
Ted Cruz: 25%
Gracious Losers to Hillary: 30%
which may itself be false-flag, shows the right can be just as ugly as the left.
Yes, complaining about bronwshirt tactics on-line is just as bad as using brownshirt tactics IRL.
Beer Hall Putsch in the making.
Beto quoting The Clash is such a timely and relevant political reference because nobody understands the intricacies of US politics better than a group of English CBS sell outs who simultaneously killed punk and signed a deal that still stands as the ultimate example of stupidity amongst stupid artist contracts.
Ted Cruz is sort of preternaturally ugly. I am glad I don’t have to vote for him, which I would, were I a Texan, BTW.
The Clash performed Clampdown on that old ABC sketch comedy show, Fridays. It's one of the best performances I've seen on TV. Here.
I would have opened up a can of mace spray on them, but then I'd probably be banned from the restaurant. So it's whatever pleases the wife really.
I have absolutely no doubt that dreamy Mr. O'Rourke would, if elected, work with his D. colleagues for a "clampdown" as well. It's all just a matter of who clamps whom.
I know that the whole point of punk is to suck and you are supposed to hear good music through the magical transportational power of irony, but that’s embarrassingly bad. Good on them though, for selling records at that level of skill though.
#5
It is just as bad to respond to this sort of stuff with equal and opposite force as it is to start it?
I disagree.
Exactly what position does Cruz hold, these protesters find objectionable?
You can support Cruz's opponent, but Cruz's positions are constitutional. He has the added advantage of being able to quote exactly where in the constitution he gets his supported positions from.
Unfortunately, this is how Democrats want our govt to work
This is what democracy looks like.
This is how you get more President Trump
Don't be a fuckhead and vote Democratic.
Althouse's comments on #5 is an invitation to hound all conservatives from the public square. It is a policy that works in the faculty lounge. Not everybody is a soiboi.
So fighting back against terrorism (and make no mistake, that is terrorism) is as ugly as the terrorism?
When one ideologically sleeps with dogs, one gets fleas.
By not attacking this kind of violation of norms, one becomes an accessory to these things.
Althouse, in the pit of her heart, has to realize this.
Alas, she can't take the step of treating Ford with cruel neutrality.
Suspend the 19th Amendment until women stop thinking with their vaginas and start thinking with their brains!
Power to the paid rioters. Soros gets his money's worth. But are they paid the Screen Actor's Guild minimum?
This is the tactic that has destroyed our Colleges and made Police Officers hunted prey of psychopaths. They will be getting Academy Awards and headline that show soon.
We inhabitants of TrumpLand should start to vigorously all enforce excluding all left-wing politicians from our realm with the threat of violence:
TrumpLand
They may get all the cool restaurants, but we get most of nature and the road side cafes.
road side cafes.
Birkel said...
#5
It is just as bad to respond to this sort of stuff with equal and opposite force as it is to start it?
The protestors are obnoxious, and in the long run harmful to society. But they are not engaged in either force or violence. So responding with force or violence is an unjustified escalation, and it is ugly.
Who would watch that and think- 'Hell yeah, I want to be on their team. I want to vote for who they want."? And by 'they' I mean the Indoctrinated Ones.
Each time a Dem opens their mouth, without any notice or fanfare, another 2 voters turn the other way. And that's how you get more Trump.
Cruz should have asked for the manager, and made the manager choose:
1) Tell the protestors to leave, call the police if they don't, and hopefully press charges
2) Ask Cruz to leave, actively supporting the protestors, and risk losing business from moderate & conservative customers
3) Do nothing, and let the protestors continue to disturb all of your current customers.
5. "I wish these douchebags would try that shit in front of me, they would all be taking a trip to the local trauma center. I have had enough of the leftist bullshit and its time we conservatives fight back"
Boomerang effect.
Militant Normals.
Goes around, comes around.
This will stop once people on the right start acting out in the same fashion. And why shouldn't they if restaurants are now harassment centers?
Is this group for real? Because they are helping Kavanaugh. False flag? Stupid people? Deliberately careless chaos-making?
If you look at them on Twitter, you see tons of approving comments, and lots of attention from reporters. If they are helping Kavanaugh, they and their supporters don't notice it.
I tend to think any protest helps the other side, though, because protests and protesters are soooooo very annoying.
Did I hear someone yell "Go back to Canada, scum"? Another supporter of the wall!
The term -#SmashFascism is quite Orwelliam. In truth, it means act like a Fascist towards your political opponents.
But that's how the Left rolls.
Never eat in a restaurant where this sort of thing happens unless you like bodily fluids on your food.
This sort of thing (in all senses, including online feedback and private comment to third parties) may be counterproductive electorally, but it works extremely well institutionally.
Hang on, didn't Beto do something bad 20 years ago? Surely no decent person can possibly consider supporting him.
GOP is not smart enough to do a false flag operations, they are not nicknamed the stupid party for no reason...
If I were there with a bunch of my friends, we would have blocked these pinks from hounding Cruz and his wife as he left. These intolerable pussies are despicable and need a really good thump in the mouth.
Taken together, this sort of thing, cumulatively over many years, explains the state of your education, the output of your universities, the culture of your bureaucracies.
It may seem absurd in a business like a restaurant, or across the restaurant industry, which can't respond by banning people like Cruz or whoever else such licensed mobs pursue, but it can and does lead to that elsewhere.
Quick show of hands:
How many people think "Beto" is Mexican-American?
John Henry
Ann's friends were out last night, I see.
the right can be just as ugly as the left.
Yes, those angry white males that built Wisconsin. Lots of them Germans, too.
Is this group for real? Because they are helping Kavanaugh. False flag? Stupid people? Deliberately careless chaos-making?
They just have different goals than you are evaluating them by. You think they should be focused on winning the political battle but their higher priority is publicly displaying their commitment to the cause. The purity of their commitment both places them higher morally among their peer group and also clears them politically for future career opportunities.
This is why the District of Columbia is wrong not to recognize CCW permits from Virginia and other states. An armed society is a polite society.
I'm noticing on the early mainstream press talk shows -the words they chose make Kavanaugh sound guilty.,
The MSM uses different words to describe Bill Clinton or Keith Ellison or any leftwing corruption.
Beto acknowledges his White Privilege.
What he doesn’t do is take all his wealth accumulated from his White Privilege and give it to poor blacks or poor Latinos. He’s not going to disgorge his ill-gotten gains. He’s going To Lecture.
Beto is the Progressive W. The mirror image of The Compassionate Conservative.
And they both liked to drink and drive because Daddy Will Take Care of It.
“We Believe Survivors!”
Dead people tell fewer lies.
"Clampdown" at YouTube
Voted "most predictable chord changes" for this morning, at least.
Next stop, Keith Ellison. right?
shows the right can be just as ugly as the left.
Only to those who judge words as equivalent to actions. This is a terrible evaluation. We've been reading the left's keyboard heroism for decades. If that was the same as their recent string of harassment in semi-public environments those harassments wouldn't be recognized as an escalation.
Think how upset they'll be when Ted Cruz takes his seat on SOTUS after RBG croaks.
OK..you are willing to say that these actions are counter-productive, but are you willing to condemn them as wrong? Cruel neutrality concerning people being hounded out of restaurants is a tacit endorsement. How about an explicit rejection and condemnation of this coarsening of our republic?
And whatever the effect on voters back home, in Washington where it counts such things help keep conservatives heads down and pressures their families. The effect of social pressure on private life is probably underestimated.
@Gahrie -- 2 of the sentences in #4 are true, but the middle one is only a nice idea.
This "we believe survivors" and "we believe women" movement is poison.
Also, the word survivors..... I get it for the victims of violent crime and people who have made it through a devastating illness. Not sure I approve of it for someone who thinks she was flashed or even groped by a high schooler. There is too much weight to that word and we need to stop being so dramatic.
There is a history against Trump/GOP supporters at restaurants:
Steven Miller - Mexican - June 20, 2018
Steven Miller - Sushi June or July 2018
Kirstjen Neilsen - Mexican - June 18, 2018
Sarah Sanders - Red Hen - June 22, 2018
Mitch McConnell - Louiseville Ky Restaurant - July 8, 2018
Scott Pruit - July 2018
Maxine Waters - supports restaurant protests
I call Bull Shit on a possible False Flag, unfortunately there is a history.
They just have different goals than you are evaluating them by. You think they should be focused on winning the political battle but their higher priority is publicly displaying their commitment to the cause.
The people willing to do this type of thing think this is winning the political battle. They know that they react to this type of thing with cheers and a renewed commitment to the cause, and simply assume everyone else does also.
Matthew Sablan,
"This will stop once people on the right start acting out in the same fashion."
As David Z. Hines put it in an excellent, grim thread predicting political violence in the near future:
"Bluntly: this is dangerous. The people who do it for the Left are literal Communists. What kind of Righties will it draw? Oh, I dunno, I’m guessing people who’re comfortable with violence, who don’t mind breaking norms or being arrested…
"…if you’re now thinking, 'Oh shit,' well, guess what? So am I."
@Henry:
She is quoting a Facebook page there, not giving her opinion.
These are your people, Althouse. These are the same retards who "believe" the lying partisans that you are an accomplice with in the rape of Kavanaugh's career, reputation, and family. They act with emotion instead of logic just like you do.
They don't have a lifetime bloated government pension like you do, which is why you do your accomplice to career rape through your blog rather than in restaurants, but make no mistake that these are your fellow travelers.
so, the restaurant looked fancy, and expensive. How did the 'protesters' get in?
Most restaurants (around here) don't let people walk in, and walk around; let alone harass the customers. I don't see how this happened without the restaurant's consent (and cooperation).
Next time anyone thinks about going to DC for vacation (or business), think about it.
This "we believe survivors" and "we believe women" movement is poison.
Not if you believe that men are splooge stooges who deserve it.
Ignorance is Bliss said:
Cruz should have asked for the manager, and made the manager choose:
1) Tell the protestors to leave, call the police if they don't, and hopefully press charges
2) Ask Cruz to leave, actively supporting the protestors, and risk losing business from moderate & conservative customers
3) Do nothing, and let the protestors continue to disturb all of your current customers.
This.
And if the manager didn't appear on his own to do #1, then my assumption is he either supports the protesters, or is too gutless to be seen taking a stand either way.
Time to pick a side, people. Do you want a civil society or not?
#5 and her comments thereof
WTH is wrong with this hostess?
Ann is suggesting the #5 comment is a false flag, not the Cruz protest itself.
If #5 is false flag it's a sign of to too much leftie money chasing too few projects, and a logic variant of a Keynesian Beauty Contest.
If the restaurant acted against these people, given their location, they risk boycotts and social media sanction campaigns, and of course word of mouth. Indeed, given how the liberal-left is behaving now, in most of the US I think it would be risky for a public accomodation business to oppose such manifestations.
> Is this group for real? Because they are helping Kavanaugh. False flag? Stupid people? Deliberately careless chaos-making?
Matthew 7:16-20 King James Version (KJV)
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
I, for one, prefer legislators to base their legislation on economics, constitutional law, and other difficult but necessary subject matter, rather than using song lyrics from their youth. What happens when the Beto recalls a song like "I Don't Like Mondays" and starts shooting up a school?
The left act like fascists while they call you a fascist.
MSM(D) applaud.
The survivors... Nobody believes the 10 survivors of Bill Clinton's unwanted advances, assaults and rapes. 30+ years of support and respect. His vile women-abusing pet-killing wife allowed to run in their name.
BTW - where are the MSM asking Beto his opinion on leftwing fascism - the kind that force people out of public places with chanting and intimidation. ?
@Gahrie -- The passage I quoted is literally an opinion. Verily, as it is written, it is written by Althouse.
But they are not engaged in either force or violence.
I beg to differ. Hounding opposition politicians visiting a restaurant for a private dinner with their families is using force and violence to suppress political opposition.
In this era of #metoo, shouldn't comparisons to Kennedy be considered a bug and not a feature........Celebrities and politicians put a lot of trust in the good will of the serving staff.
This is too much like the 1960 lunch counter sit-ins in North Carolina, where a crowd tried to hound people out of a Woolworths. History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
Metoo# only matters when an R can be smeared.
I thought Hillary sang "I live by the river" while campaigning up the Hudson at least once.
Isn't that cute? Impassioned young idealists expressing themselves. Let's analyze what they're saying about Beto's hotness in their gatherings, and chatter about cultural references to the music of our youth.
I wonder if the university types in the cities of China talked like this when those young scamps of the nascent Red Guard started feeling their oats. It's all fun and games until they burn down civil society and you get sent out to the country to shovel pig shit for years.
"anti"-fa lady: "I hate Rethuglicans! They should be afraid to show their faces in public!"
"skeptical" Althouse: "Yeah, sure. Sounds like a false flag to me."
"anti"-fa lady: "I agree with the wise words of President Barack Obama, who said 'punch back twice as hard', and Congresswoman Maxine Waters, who said 'push back on them. And you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere.'"
"skeptical" Althouse: "Oh, come on. Nobody outside of the fever swamps of the right, who endlessly repeat that one phrase (and him quoting The Untouchables), takes it as a call to action. If anything Obama's viewed as a moderate on the left, so they wouldn't look to him to justify any kind of extremism. The fact that you chose two African-American politicians to ascribe violent rhetoric to is a tell, by the way."
"anti"-fa lady: "One of our most important battlegrounds is in the universities. Schools are far too welcoming to fascists. As a warning, I live streamed this video of my group beating the president of the local College Republicans."
"skeptical" Althouse: "Dweebs like this could get beat up for any number of reasons, and I've heard it's not difficult to superimpose one person's face over another on video. This doesn't really prove anything."
"anti"-fa lady: "I've hated Republicans ever since Ronald Reagan used a stunt double to give the 1983 State of the Union so he could sneak out to my junior high school in Georgetown and molest me."
Althouse: "Oh you poor thing!"
Roy Jacobsen,
The manager, if an employee, has to do what he judges is best for the sake of the business and its owners. And if an owner, he has to consider his partners, his employees, his family.
And in this, if he takes such a risk for the sake of a diffuse social good, he and his may be alone in bearing the costs. In Washington, and in any big US city, he will certainly be alone.
This was a weakness found long ago, by university leftists, that they could do anything with impunity because they could not be punished effectively as they had nothing to lose, while the responsible people they were abusing had a great deal to lose.
The mob in this case were very likely university types, liberal NGO, Quango, law firm, government employees and contractors and the like, with no fear of sanction for minor crimes committed in pursuit of politics approved by their employers.
Maxine waters inspires and empowers the leftwing brownshirt.
And the difference between Mussolini's black-shirted Squadristi Fascists and today's anti-(so-called) fa(cist)s is?
How do they differ in ideology or political philosophy?
How do they differ in their embrace of physical violence and intimidation to carry out their aims?
We need to resist fascism
We need to resist antifa
John Henry
How do they diffe
It's funny, Althouse got all upset when the retarded Madison antifa protestors yelled at her and her kept lawnboy at the State Capital building during their Scott Walker temper tantrum. Why is this any different?
To be fair, it didn't make her break down crying hysterically like when she was at a dinner party with some libertarians. Perhaps a bunch of people should show up at her house carrying signs denouncing her being an accomplice to the career rape of Kavanaugh.
What's good for the goose is good for the old hag, right?
I watched the Cruz-O'Rourke debate on YouTube last night.
Cruz improved his demeanor so that he didn't seem like an asshole who knows it all. He is very bright, but the camera is still not friendly to him.
Beto came across as a moron like Ocassio-Cortez - lots of word salad without any apparent meaning or understanding. Cruz has about 30 IQ points on this guy, but the audience was clearly (and rudely) cheering for Beto.
I can't believe Cruz is not ahead by 50 points. (ahem).
Vilifying Cruz is an attempt to make him seem like a monster compared to the dreamy, photogenic Beto who has clearly captured the immature moron vote.
'Stop volution!'
Heh.
Yea #5 shows the right can be just as ugly as the left. How ridiculous. Comparing a COMMENT to an actual MOB running someone out of a public restaurant. And he’s not even a member of the trump administration, just a republican.
You have bought into it.
Antifa, diversitists, are hunting warlocks. Or is it babies? Probably the latter, since there are no known warlocks, there are babies beyond the threshold of convenience, and there is diversity or color judgments.
The radical left. The radical right. The left-right nexus?
Neo-Marxists, neo-communists, neo-socialists, neo-fascists, neo-Nazis...
We need more cowbell.
Ignorance is Bliss:
Familiarize yourself with "equal and opposite" and then recognize that your comment in response to mine sounds ignorant.
Warlock hunts and trials are unconstitutional.
So were baby trials under several Amendments, until they were recharacterized as unPersons under the Twilight Amendment.
The mob in this case were very likely university types, liberal NGO, Quango, law firm, government employees and contractors and the like, with no fear of sanction for minor crimes committed in pursuit of politics approved by their employers.
This is exactly right. We're watching campus tactics migrate to the public sphere. This includes intentionally mischaracterizing people's comments so they may be judged as extreme thus justifying punishment [James Damore]. It includes people claiming to be afraid or threatened in order to justify excluding others [Kevin Williamson]. And it includes public harassment understanding that your allies will protect you from consequences.
A larger point about this though is to remember the left wingers who protected the campus activists by criticizing anyone pointing out their antics. Their most common attack was to claim critics were focused a tiny and unrepresentative population with no influence in broader society. We're witnessing that criticism proven wrong as all intelligent people knew it would be - radicalizing generations of people will eventually radicalize the broader population especially since the radicals specifically desire to control the cultural institutions.
We can learn a lot about those critics by watching how they respond. If their original criticisms were honest they will be openly critical of these tactics expanding from the campus to the broader culture. If their original criticisms were just an effort to protect the campus radicals they will remain silent or change rationalizations as their old criticisms of us are proven false.
I wrote "learn" but a better term is probably validate. We all know which one is true.
You guys do realize that Texas still has straight ticket this election cycle. All the other statewide positions are polling Republican by 7 to 10 pts. Some of the Cruz/Beto polls show Cruz up by 9 as well, but then they are drowned out by online polls, which are the only way Beto finds parity.
But hey, please poor more money into the Beto campaign. I'm fine with California paying reparations to Texas.
Gahrie: She is quoting a Facebook page there, not giving her opinion.
I think you're wrong. The numbered list is quotes from the facebook page commenters. The paragraph Henri referenced is Althouse's own writing.
Cruz is lucky in having the enemies he does -- they make him look better and the contrast softens his harder edges. The video should make a great campaign ad, too -- there they go again, those thuggy Dems, you don't want to put them in charge.
That you can seriously think this is a false flag shows how far from neutral you are. So does your anger that they might help kavanaugh.can you not see this? Do you only ever introspect? Do you never try to observe your words and actions from outside? Do you never pause and think about what you just revealed about yourself that you might not have known?
Just open fire on them.
Ann Althouse said...#5 — which may itself be false-flag, shows the right can be just as ugly as the left.
Such horseshit. I don't dispute that the Right can be as ugly as the Left but the plain fact is they aren't being as ugly.
Some person writing some boastful semi-threatening post is not as ugly as what's depicted in the video. Leftist bike lock professor cracks 7 skulls? No big deal. Crazed Bernie Bro tries to mass murder Republican politicians? Barely a story. But the uncorroborated accusation that someone spit on John Lewis as he waded through a large Tea Party crowd?? Well that's enough to damn the whole group as "ugly" racists.
Again I note the absence of empathy. When the IDEA of restaurants refusing to serve individuals (based on their race) was raised nice centrist Professor Althouse was moved. When the REALITY of actual people being shouted at and hounded out of an actual restaurant is shown she feels...what? Nothing's expressed here so far as I can see.
Some forms of "direct action" and protest are A-OK with the nice centrist people. Reverse the partisan affiliation, though, and I have a strong suspicion they'd suddenly find this kind of behavior unacceptable--dangerous even.
What can explain the difference? Is it really just that Cruz supports a Court nominee who is thought to oppose Roe and therefore all standards and norms are set aside? What does that say about the actual principles of nice centrist people if so?
Oh, right! "Cruel neutrality" covers it all. I temporarily forgot.
This is too much like the 1960 lunch counter sit-ins in North Carolina, where a crowd tried to hound people out of a Woolworths.
You know, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 mentions “creed” too. Conservatism is a “creed.”
Obviously, BTW, Althouse is pointing out that a liberal may have written #5 to morally indict conservatives. I highly doubt it.
Vote for Beto is a vote to ensure abortion docs can continue to clampdown on the skulls of defenseless fetuses. He's so dreamy.
Slogans are easy!
I misread her comment on 5. She means 5 might be a false flag. I removed a comment predicated on the misunderstanding.
buwaya, point taken.
Taking a stand will come at a cost. It very well may be a life-altering cost.
Exactly the same can be said of not taking a stand, although it is a different cost.
Too few people understand the implications of either choice.
Weren't nice centrist people like Professor Althouse shouted at when they visited their state capitol building during protests against Scott Walker? Didn't she herself talk about how unpleasant it was to have angry people shouting in her face?
You'd think someone who went through that would have some, you know, empathy for other people going through something that's arguably a worse version (being "trapped" inside in a vulnerable position, being the sole target, etc). But, weirdly, not one sentence empathizing with the targets. The criticism of the action itself appears to be that it isn't likely to harm Kavanaugh (the ostensible goal of the protest). Odd!
Ken B said...
I misread her comment on 5. She means 5 might be a false flag.
Yes. People here are jumping to the conclusion that Althouse was saying that the demonstration was a false flag, but it is clear she is referring to a comment.
Rick said...This is exactly right. We're watching campus tactics migrate to the public sphere. This includes intentionally mischaracterizing people's comments so they may be judged as extreme thus justifying punishment [James Damore]. It includes people claiming to be afraid or threatened in order to justify excluding others [Kevin Williamson]. And it includes public harassment understanding that your allies will protect you from consequences.
I'd add to the list that the way the "trial" of nominee Kavanaugh is being prosecuted by the Dems & Media is little more than an extension of campus sexual assault/Title IX proceedings under the Obama Admin rules. An accusation was enough, the accused was usually denied standard due process rights/protections, etc.
People who said the idiocy of the Leftist universities was tolerable since "it's just college" should admit letting the mentality and structures of far-Leftism grow and fester there is having a very real detrimental effect now in "the real world."
Am I now supposed to pretend like I know any Clash songs other than Should I Stay or Should I Go and Rock the Casbah? Because I don't.
Except London Calling.
The Ramones were way better than the clash, just saying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYh1lRR1m6Y
#5 — which may itself be false-flag, shows the right can be just as ugly as the left.
It has been a tough week for Ann.
This is just really stupid on it’s face.
"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides," Trump said at a press conference. "On many sides."
#5 is a trigger trap troll designed to get you people to reveal something nasty about yourselves.
Francisco,
Don't forget that Cruz is a masterdebater.
H/t jcd
John Henry
Republicans are going to have to learn how to swing chairs, throw dinner plates, and slash with broken water glasses. Restaurants that allow these red guard goons inside should end up destroyed by a donnybrook straight out of an Old Western saloon.
Ron: do you have a top 5 recommendation for the Ramones. I missed the punk era raising kids and such. Thanks.
is John Henry a Latin American?
Howard,
Could you define what YOU mean by Latin American? I know about 6 definitions.
Tell me which one you are using and I'll tell you if I fit.
I identify first as American and second as Puerto Rican.
John Henry
#5 is a trigger trap troll designed to get you people to reveal something nasty about yourselves.
Yes, it gets “you people” to reveal that you resent the kinds of brownshirt tactics that Botha used to take over South Africa, for example, or the kinds of tactics that the KKK used to keep Jim Crow in place, masked violence from the ironically named ‘AntiFa’, or driving people out of public accommodations based on creed, as happened to Cruz.
"#5 — which may itself be false-flag, shows the right can be just as ugly as the left."
What is a moronic false equivalency Alex?
Since women don't understand the concepts of loyalty and honor, I expect these raging mobs to eventually turn on each other.
Never as Latin American or Hispanic.
John Henry
I think you're wrong. The numbered list is quotes from the facebook page commenters. The paragraph Henri referenced is Althouse's own writing.
I think Althouse owes us an explicit statement condemning the behavior of the Left today.
tim in vermont going godwin: outrage inflation is the currency of snowflakes
I'm old enough to remember Phyllis Schlafly. Her bio from Wiki:
"Schlafly started college early and worked as a model for a time. In 1944, she graduated Phi Beta Kappa with a Bachelor of Arts degree from Washington University in St. Louis. In 1945, she received a Master of Arts degree in government from Radcliffe College (for which the then all-male Harvard University was a coordinate institution). In Strike From Space (1965), Schlafly notes that during World War II, she worked as "a ballistics gunner and technician at the largest ammunition plant in the world". She earned a Juris Doctor degree from the Washington University in St. Louis School of Law in 1978.[8]"
Extremely intelligent and a good speaker, she was pilloried by the left, especially other women, because she was conservative and anti-abortion. While I may have disagreed with her at the time, I respected her and came to appreciate her logical thinking and her profound wisdom.
John: thanks. do you see yourself influenced at all by Puerto Rican culture that result in some latin traits creeping into your personality?
Blogger gahrie said...
I think Althouse owes us an explicit statement condemning the behavior of the Left today.
entitled much? Ann not serving up enough free ice cream, she must suck your toadstool as well?
Matt said...Am I now supposed to pretend like I know any Clash songs other than Should I Stay or Should I Go and Rock the Casbah? Because I don't.
Unlike Nirvana and Prince, 0.03% of my song collection is Clash - "I Fought the Law".
Howard,
I would ask that your bigotry be completely unleashed. Quit tiptoeing around the issue and insult John Henry based on your perceptions of his socio-ethnic background.
Let your freak flag fly.
Big Mike @ 7:47am,
That's just a long and convoluted way of saying "forever".
Ignorance, your reply to Birkel shows... well.... ignorance. What restaurant management should have done at the first sign of disruption was to call the police, and ask them to remove these people who were now trespassing based on the restaurant management not wanting them there any longer.
If they resisted leaving, then they should be removed using whatever force is necessary, up to and including lethal force.
And no, Cruz shouldn't have asked for the manager--he shouldn't have needed to! The manager should have a little better idea about what's going on in his or her establishment... Unless of course as others have suggested the manager is complicit or cowed.
As buwaya continues to point out, there is a shooting war on the horizon and the conventional wisdom gets it totally backwards: people like buwaya (and me to a much smaller degree) who warned against it are criticized for promoting it, while people who actually do promote it like the folks hounding Cruz out of the restaurant, are absolved of any blame.
gahrie said...
I think Althouse owes us...
The Professor doesn't owe us anything. Of course, we are free to draw our own conclusions about her character, based on what she writes ( as she is free with regard to our writings. )
If something she wrote is resulting in people drawing incorrect conclusions, she may want to either clarify what she wrote, or point out what she believes is incorrect in our analysis of her writing. Or she may not want to.
Ignorance is Bliss:
Did you look up "equal and opposite" yet?
@Howard:
Fuck off troll.
It all boils down to the end justifying the means. So any lying, libelous, slanderous allegation is permissible. Because 'stakes'. This is so very antithetical to our rule of law and our sense of decency that it's hard to accept. But it IS happening and otherwise intelligent people seem to be taking it seriously.
If I were a Republican Senator from a state with a Democrat governor, I wouldn't venture out in public until Kavanaugh is confirmed. If you think targeted assassination isn't a realistic method to stop Kavanaugh, you haven't been paying attention the last 2 years.
mockturtle @ 10:15am,
Whoa-- gender traitor! /sarc
Birkel: Thanks for asking. I am curious because I was raised in So Cal and lived among many Mexican families playing sports, going camping, having sleep-overs and eventually in the military, I've come to view myself as part Mexican at least culturally. I definitely relate better to Mexicans than people from the Northeast whom I view as much closer to European rather than Norte Americano
Kirk Parker said...
And no, Cruz shouldn't have asked for the manager--he shouldn't have needed to!
But, of course, the manager didn't do what you or I think he should have done. My statement was about what Cruz should do, given the fact that the manager was not going to act on his own.
I understand the manager not taking action. The angry mob would have returned for him.
I would have liked Cruz to calmly call for the manager and ask, "Do you intend to charge me for this meal?" I'd have my cell phone visible and voice recording on as evidence.
The manager might have felt just a fraction of the heat he deserves. Do I let Cruz off without paying and will the mob get angry. Or will I charge this customer despite me allowing this howling mob to harass him from his meal?
Howard,
I don't begrudge your bigotry.
I am encouraging you to display bigotry more fully.
Don't be shy.
Blogger gahrie said...
@Howard:
Fuck off troll.
BULLSEYE! BINGO! That definitely left a mark. Time for Nana to change your nappy.
Howard,
Define "latin traits".
Well of course I am influenced by Puerto Rican culture.
Are you NOT influenced by the culture YOU live in, whatever culture that might be?
I am sure I have some traits picked up from that culture.
"latin" traits? I did take a year pf Latin inHS but don't think I picked ip any particular ttaits there.
It would help if you were up to the challenge of defining whay YOU mean by "Latin American" and now "Latin"
Please help me understand what you are talking about.
John Henry
As I was telling a lefty friend the other day, You laugh now, but wait until the assassinations begin.
Matt said...
Am I now supposed to pretend like I know any Clash songs other than Should I Stay or Should I Go and Rock the Casbah? Because I don't.
Except London Calling.
What?! You never heard Train In Vain?
Althouse reminds me of my fiancé who is also a "reasonable" liberal Democrat whose career has been in academia.
When I brought up the outrageous behavior of Democrats at the Kavanaugh hearing, she responded that Republicans do the same thing and both are bad in that respect. She could not come up with a specific example, but I decided it was not a good idea to press her. You know, mansplaining and all that.
We have studiously avoided discussing the Ford and Ramirez allegations, except for her stating that Ford was getting internet death threats. She doesn't have time to keep up with the events, but listens to NPR while driving to work. She will not venture into SJW territory, but her "reasonable" approach is likely to be that everyone is guilty of something bad, so there is no point in taking sides.
I suspect that many people are strongly affected by their identity (e.g., a reasonable and classically liberal) and by how information is presented to them by the media. I wonder if it is too much to expect that they will have a "lightening bolt" moment when they realize that the reasonable Democrats they have been supporting are actually much worse that the Republicans they have a visceral dislike for.
Birkel said...
Did you look up "equal and opposite" yet?
Nope. Didn't need to. My point was that the protestors in the restaurant were not engaging in force, so responding with force ( or violence, as suggested in comment #5, which you referenced ) would inherently not be equal, it would be an escalation.
Of course, you can engage in "equal and opposite" protest, if you are into that sort of thing. And if confronted with actual violence, you have a right to self defense, and that is not limited to "equal and opposite." In that situation, you have the right to escalate as much as needed ( but no more ) to end the threat of harm to yourself or others.
When did being an asshole become a good thing for some people?
Robert has used a lot of things to gain popularity with voters. Beto is a good nickname if you want people to think you are Mexican-American. Playing guitar with Willie. check. Attractive to woman with Jack, Bobby and Beto ads. White privilege
Why isn't the restaurant identified in these "news" media?
Thanks John. I would say it's a lot of things that connect to a peasant culture enjoying the basic simple things in life. I was just curious what you thought because I respect your views, even when we disagree.
"Beto is way hotter than you, dude"
But Cruz looks hispanic.
Ignorance @ 10:43am,
Touché!
tim in vermont going godwin: outrage inflation is the currency of snowflakes
Well then, you come up with some examples of that kind of behavior that don’t come from reprehensible quarters. Some places where this kind of tactics promoted democracy and civil rights. Hows about that? I can’t help it if AntiFa has decided to take a page from the fascist playbook, I can only point it out.
Plus the “protestors” themselves brought up fascism, so that would make them “first” as defined in “Godwin’s Law.”
Out the restaurant for not calling the police.
See Howard, I wish you were better at arguing. Instead, you take these low confidence pot shots, minimizing any “factual” declarations, because you have no actual belief that anything you hold to be “true” will stand up to scrutiny. Oh, you think they would, but you think that there must be somebody somewhere who can adequately defend them, just not you.
@ Tim in Vermont - “You know, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 mentions “creed” too. Conservatism is a “creed.”’ That was an interesting viewpoint - have you seen it essayed elsewhere?
So is their Twitter account banned yet?
The NY Post story doesn't identify the restaurant, but it looks fairly fancy. Which leads me to wonder: How did those "antifa" people get in there in the first place? Most fancy restaurants have a maitre d' station that you can't get past unless you storm your way in, presumably. So that was one point at which that group could have--and should have--been stopped. There are also usually a certain number of men on duty one of whose jobs it is to keep an eye out for dine-and-dashers. If just one member of that group had been forcibly evicted, the others would have gotten the message.
I just don't get why any restaurant manager would allow the place to be invaded by a bunch of non-customers and then let them disrupt the meal, not just for Cruz and his wife but for everyone else eating there. I'd be furious if I were trying to celebrate, say, my wedding anniversary, and I had to listen to a bunch of people screaming at the top of their lungs about Kavanaugh.
The only good thing: I don't think those videos are going to go over well in Texas.
Sounds like you may have some Mexican traits, Howard. Or, really, more like you'd like to think you do.
I've spent a bit of time working in various parts of Mexico. Ecuador, Guatemala, Costa Rica, and RD as well. I was even the robotics columnist for a Mexican trade magazine for a bit.
Other than speaking Spanish, these countries and cultures have very little in common. Mexican-American culture in Texas has very little in common with Mexican American culture in Cali and even less with Cuban-American (like Ted Cruz) or Puerto Rican culture.
So you really need to tell us what you mean by "latin" or "Latin-American.
Your comment about Mexican-American culture sounds like" some of my best friends are negroes"
Si quieres, pdemos continuar este conversacion en Español. Si ud. Realmente siente simpatico con cultura Mejicana. "
Or you can just fuck off.
John Henry
@Tim in Vermont. - it says “race, color, religion or national origin”. Not “creed”.
Also,
In addition to cultural differences in the groups mentioned above, the spoken Spanish varies greatly. Pronunciation, cadence, colloquialisms, slang and so on are all different.
Ever been enfogonado, Howard?
John Henry
Darkisland said...
It would help if you were up to the challenge of defining whay YOU mean by "Latin American" and now "Latin"
I think he's asking if you celebrate Cinco de Cuatro.
Howard,
Our notes apparently crossed in the ether. I misunderstood where you were coming from a was unnecessarily harsh.
I think the substance of my comment is mostly ok but do apologize for the tone and the fuck off
John Henry
"So you really need to tell us what you mean by "latin" or "Latin-American."
It apparently involves going camping and playing sports.
Godwin’s Law: First person to bring up Hitler in an argument loses.
Howard’s Law: First person to point out the obvious ironies of a group of thuggish demonstrators calling others “fascist” loses.
Very interestink, but stupit!
"Weren't nice centrist people like Professor Althouse shouted at when they visited their state capitol building during protests against Scott Walker? Didn't she herself talk about how unpleasant it was to have angry people shouting in her face?"
Yeah, but c'mon. Ted Cruz isn't some nice centrist people. He's straight from Hades and he wants to decimate women, starve invalids, and murder illegal immigrants in their sleep. You must, must, must shout at such calamitous evil!!!
he Tennessee Human Rights Act (THRA) applies to employers with eight or more employees within the state and prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, age, national origin, and creed. Tennessee is not alone in extending protections under its fair employment laws to an individual based on creed—a handful of other states also prohibit discriminatory or retaliatory action on the basis of creed, e.g., Colorado, New Jersey, New York, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Some states include creed in the state’s statutes by combining it with religion in one way or another. For example, California law provides protection from harassment or discrimination in employment because of “religious creed.”
You are right Oso, a standard definition of Civil Rights includes “creed” and certain states include it, but not the Civil Rights Act. Still, Madisonians have a case, should the situation arise.
This Beto dude must be pissing off Rachel Dolezal. I mean..he's clearly not putting in her level of effort yet getting the bennies without the backlash.
"Fascists not welcome!"
But..
"After the video went viral and began trending on Twitter, the group behind the stunt, Smash Racism DC, tweeted the following;
“This is a message to Ted Cruz, Bret Kavanaugh, Donald Trump and the rest of the racist, sexist, transphobic, and homophobic right-wing scum: You are not safe. We will find you. We will expose you. We will take from you the peace you have taken from so many others.”
Mexican dialect can be obscure but I find it pleasant and amusing.
Definitely “creed” is in there as a penumbra.
No worries John. I'm an unrepentant asshole here on the blog, so it's on me that you react harsh.
So given our conversation on how a couple of white guys like you and me have been influenced and perhaps adopted aspects of Latin culture, you could concede that Beto may be genuinely simpatico as well. Of course, for the political stage, he must enhance and exaggerate.
I find it quite humerus that the white Irish guy gives himself a Mexican name and the Cubano gives himself a anglicized name. Politics is an interesting spin zone.
tim in vermont: screeching 90-lb weaklings are not thugs. To compare these weak sisters with actual thugs who murder and maim, sometimes at genocidal level,s is going Godwin. It doesn't have to be Hitler.
"I find it quite humerus that the white Irish guy gives himself a Mexican name and the Cubano gives himself a anglicized name. Politics is an interesting spin zone."
"Cruz" is anglicized?
You mean like Arturo Cruz (Nicaraguan Contra leader) and actress Penelope Cruz?
Where are you going with this Howard?
"Weren't nice centrist people like Professor Althouse shouted at when they visited their state capitol building during protests against Scott Walker?"
As I recall, some jerk wanted to drive her out of Madison for the crime of being insufficiently anti-Walker. The guy was on social media trying to get her harassed so badly that she would have to leave the city.
Quien es mas macho? Rafael "Ted" Cruz o Robert "Beto" O'Rourke
im in vermont: screeching 90-lb weaklings are not thugs. To compare these weak sisters with actual thugs who murder and maim, sometimes at genocidal level,s is going Godwin
Howard, they brought up fascism, they brought it into the conversation. That’s the Godwin rule. I just pointed out the irony. Are you really that thick?
I find it quite humerus that the white Irish guy gives himself a Mexican name and the Cubano gives himself a anglicized name.
--
I find your typo humorous.
But yes..Beto's name game points to a new twist on assimilation/appropriation.
I agree with this comment from another thread:
We need more strong, non-woke women, to courageously speak up and resist this leftwing pogrom.
"tim in vermont: screeching 90-lb weaklings are not thugs."
The implied threat to the restaurant (which is really the immediate victim) is thuggish.
That is, quite obvious subtext, interfere with us and we and our friends will make sure your business will suffer.
You do not need to threaten a responsible person with fists.
She's afraid.
She's running scared and may not recognize it, may not be capable of recognizing it, and, being Althouse, is definitely not capable of admitting it.
There was a tell yesterday when Althouse made a show of facing her fears and taking a walk through the deep, dark woods of Madison. Subconsciously, she's fighting back, but openly acknowledging her fear of the type of people she has lived and worked with almost her entire career would be a repudiation of her life's work. It's not going to happen.
But we shouldn't judge too harshly. Althouse is an older lady surrounded by the same type of people who attacked the Cruz family. If she takes a strong, public stand she will become a target, a physical target, just as she did during the Walker protests. She fought back then, but over time the escalating intimidation has weakened her will to resist.
The retreat into cruel neutrality is just an easy and self-justifying way to hide from the threat.
Get out of Madison, Althouse. Somewhere inside of your current persona is a decent, honest, and honorable woman wanting to escape from the madhouse.
She fought back then, but over time the escalating intimidation has weakened her will to resist.
Nope. The difference is abortion rights. If Walker had been campaigning on or about restrictions to abortion, Althouse would have been out there chanting with the rest of them.
Spanish names have always been very diverse.
Often very native-Iberian, often very regional, and often very classical/Greek/Latin, and indeed often very Anglo-Germanic. This all is not new either.
Latin American names are even more diverse.
Top baby girl names in Spain 2017 include
Sofia
Valeria
Julia
Chloe
Claudia
etc.
Among the top 100 for 2017 are a Maori (as in New Zealand) and an Armenian name.
Really, truly, extremely Spanish names (Basque/Catalan, but popular all over) that are seldom found outside the Penninsula -
Leire/Leyre
Irati
Nahia
Amaia
Nuria
Idoia
"Activists". LOL - this is what activism looks like, preventing The Man from eating in public?
Clamp-down.
Clamp-up.
Clamp-down. Clamp-up... The Clamper!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGElodLsO8E
Men are defensive of their cats without hats, and probably with hats, too. Both men and women are wary of harassment and threats to assault their kittens.
I'm disappointed. It should have turned into a food fight.
Keep pushing it, leftists.
Keep it up.
As I was telling a lefty friend the other day, You laugh now, but wait until the assassinations begin.
They're still pissed off James Hodgkinson wasn't a better shot. Seriously.
Do they believe survivors of Democide? I would guess not.
The protestors are obnoxious, and in the long run harmful to society. But they are not engaged in either force or violence. So responding with force or violence is an unjustified escalation, and it is ugly.}}}
And yet, every single one of them and pretty much everyone one on their "side" of the aisle would freak the F out if known prominent Dems and Progressives were to be accosted this way in public. Does anyone doubt that they would characterize this behavior, if it were directed at them, as horrible violence? If a bunch of screaming enraged strangers were to surround me as I was pumping gas (a la Maxine Waters) I would be pretty certain that my life was in danger. Not quite as much as in a restaurant, but these crowds have proven that they will pepper spray, they will sucker-punch, they will crack you in the face with a bike lock. It's horrible.
These protesters just can't seem to help getting all tangled up in their PC language.
"Survivors" is Newspeak for "victim of sex crime." Thus if you know she's definately a "survivor," then the statement becomes a tautological "We believe victims of sexual abuse are victims of sexual abuse."
Presumably what they mean to say seems to be, "We believe all accusations. Even if there's a complete absence of supporting evidence." Aka the accusation itself is all the evidence we need.
But, that sounds nonsensical to anyone who actually thinks about it, doesn't it? Perhaps they still believe Crystal Mangum? Tawana Brawley? Would they really assert that no woman has ever, at any time, for any reason, lied (or even just been confused, e.g. "recovred memories") about a sexual assault?
And so they get linguistically all tangled up. For PC requires rote substitution of "survivor" for "accuser," and so what they're actually saying is, "All victims of sexual abuse are victims of sexual abuse." An asssertion which surely does not need to be shouted, as only someone with a mental deficiency would deny that "all A is A" remains always and forever true.
Yes, I know, "when I use a word it means exactly what I want it to mean, no more and no less." But are they even aware of how illogical they sound to anyone who has not chosen to totally sacrifice sweet reason for the pleasures of raw emotion?
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