Writes Glenn Reynolds. Here's the footnote, which deals with something I've written about on this blog a lot over the years:
* Note that I say “free speech” and not “First Amendment.” The First Amendment only limits government, but “free speech” is — or at least until very recently was — a broader social value in favor of not shutting people up just because we don’t like their ideas or politics. As for the “private companies can do what they want,” well, that’s not the law, or the custom, and hasn’t been for a long time. It’s especially not true where the companies have, as these companies have, affirmatively represented to users and shareholders that they don’t discriminate based on viewpoints.Here's a post from last March where I collected a lot of my older posts about free speech values extending beyond the rights we hold against government.
Glenn writes "Were I Jones, I’d file an antitrust suit." Is Jones working on that? He said (via MacDailyNews):
I’ve had a lot of top lawyers call me today and say, “Alex, we need to sue Apple. We need to sue all these groups that clearly are involved in cut and dry antitrust activities, working with other companies to delist you and block you from the marketplace of ideas, so, then when they demonize you, you don’t have a way to respond to them and they can destroy you and then, with that model, move on against everybody else.”
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Apple, Facebook, and Google's YouTube Simultaneously Ban Conspiracy Theorist Alex Jones
"If I hadn’t heard that conspiracies were impossible, I’d theorize that Apple, Facebook, and Google conspired together against him."
It's a solid-gold ambulance begging to be chased.
Hate to say it but Apple is a private company - they are just a platform for distribution. They do what they want.................
Conspiracy theorist is victim of conspiracy
What's the evidence of concerted action? Whether Facebook decides to disassociate from Jones depends on its own corporate philosophy regardless of what Twitter or Apple decide to do.
"Hate to say it but Apple is a private company - they are just a platform for distribution. They do what they want................."
Please read Glenn's footnote and the old post of mine that I linked to. We are well aware of the limits of the First Amendment, but free speech values extend beyond that limit and could be embodied in new legislation, plus there is the matter of putting political and economic pressure on the private companies, and there is an antitrust argument. You don't have to lie back and take it!
Now, if your argument is that Apple/Google/Facebook SHOULD be allowed to do what it wants, you need to make and argument about why.
steve uhr: "What's the evidence of concerted action?"
LOL
...delist you and block you from the marketplace of ideas...
Evidence that anything Jones peddles constitutes an "idea?"
Private companies that expose and trade publicly. So gunrunning and sexslavery and murder is cool because laws?
If you don’t like social media, there’s always samizdat.
Its obvious that they did conspire. This was coordinated.
Note that his mail provider (Mail Chimp) and LinkedIn have banned him too.
And who knows who else. Possibly we will hear about his payment processor and web hosting company and possibly his bank.
As also with the coordination of MSM stories. They post the same or extremely similar stuff within minutes sometimes, and use the same headlines, and ask the same questions.
Its impossible to conclude otherwise.
Hence my conclusion that this is an organized political machine at work.
Infowars is not a paranoid conspiracy-theory operation, if the conspiracies actually do exist. As they do. You cannot be too paranoid.
These are not normal times.
tcrosse: "It's a solid-gold ambulance begging to be chased."
Kramer's lawyer Jackie Chiles: "I've been wanting a piece of them for years!."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpyBxXeTbDA
...and there is an antitrust argument.
There is no fucking antitrust argument, and it's precious to hear a RINO like you pretend to care about trust issues after decades of having your preferred party decimate consumer choice - Ajit Pai, anyone? Whatever conspiracy-mongering Jones "markets" is not the business that Apple, YouTube or Facebook engage in and that defamer and harasser of massacre victims and inveterate lawsuit loser constitutes a clear and present danger to their or any decent company's reputation.
It's amazing watching the issues that right-wingers will use to put private enterprise under the thumb of government control.
Sue them in CA because all discovery is public after the suit is closed. Delicious.
-XC
An old fashioned fallback, that runs on their own servers (hardware, no cloud BS) running their own code and their own comment system - a leftover of the early Internet days of the 1990s.
Freerepublic
They have remained a "hardened" system, never upgraded to dependence on large service providers. At the cost of an ancient UI and limited features.
Anti trust is a federal issue, I think.
I don’t buy the logic that says it’s a good thing Netflix isn’t showing Farrakhan’s documentary but bad Alex Jones gets the boot. The man revels in misinformation, in a time when a top complaint is American citizens feel they’re losing touch with reality. I say he goes, and good riddance. Now take GOOP and Oprah with him. Wipe the misleaders off the internet.
It’s long past due. Stop the cult.
http://thecrackemcee.tk
Blogger buwaya said...
Its obvious that they did conspire. This was coordinated.
Yes and I wondering if Ann would blog about this.
No surprise that failed molecular biology student Ritmo would be right here with the left version of reality.
I suspect this is a gauntlet thrown down and there will be more if this is not vigorously resisted.
Dennis Prager had his Prager U deleted from You Tube, a Google company.
@Michael
Unless something just changed, PragerU was not deleted, just restricted so young people and libraries can't watch. They're afraid of PragerU's ideas and arguments.
But it's the same problem.
So in the name of free speech we're going to make these private actors disseminate political speech they don't approve of? Just won't wash.
It's interesting to know that FreeRepublic, like Rush Limbaugh, has kept independence to avoid this sort of boycott by the left.
It should be a huge boost for them. I was wondering if the right would have to go to PornHub to get a message out.
Stalin would be proud of Facebook and Google.
PragerU was not deleted, just restricted so young people and libraries can't watch.
OK. I thought they had been removed entirely.
I hope the DoJ goes after them hard but Sessions would have to be awake.
So in the name of free speech we're going to make these private actors disseminate political speech they don't approve of? Just won't wash.
Bake that cake!
...that defamer and harasser of massacre victims and inveterate lawsuit loser constitutes a clear and present danger to their or any decent company's reputation.
Which is why any ridiculous lawsuit like the one that your creepy buddy Glenn Reynolds raises will fail.
Let's see if BrainFight Info Warrior can withstand the lawsuits being brought against him by the Sandy Hook victims' parents, first.
All three companies can make a strong and credible prima facie case that being associated with as much notorious misinformation as Info Warrior and Sandy Hook survivor harasser Jones the conspiracy-mongerer spreads is detrimental to their business. No information technology company will be forced to host the speech of someone who consistently, deliberately lies to and injures people for a living. The number of times he's been forced to retract under threat of suit proves what a brand-wrecker he is. A company would be bonkers to want to associate with that whacko. And that's why he relies on funding air time with his own equally bullshit "male vitality" supplements.
Jones is a loser, and he needs to get lost.
Freerepublic
My first spin on the Internet was with the WebTV I bought in August 1997. My first search was 'sex' (got a few hits) and my second was The Drudge Report. From there I saw "Whitewater" which was a link to FR.
Learned a few HTML tags and have been there most days since. It's fun to watch the purges come and go.
Blogger Paul Zrimsek said...
So in the name of free speech we're going to make these private actors disseminate political speech they don't approve of? Just won't wash.
So, if private actors, Texaco, Chevron and Mobil agree to raise gas prices to $10 a gallon, it's OK ?
Funny, every time a liberal commenter mentioned Alex Jones on these threads most of you claimed you had no idea who he was.
CE: "I don’t buy the logic that says it’s a good thing Netflix isn’t showing Farrakhan’s documentary but bad Alex Jones gets the boot."
Feel free to provide links for people who are making that argument.
Leftist Collectivists always operate this way.
The lust for power is too intense.
The inner fascist is always fighting to get out.
"The man revels in misinformation,"
Is it misinformation?
Or simply facts arranged on a different frame?
We like to keep our system of organizing facts stable, and fit new ones as they come into some sort of consistency with the facts we have AND with our system intact.
However we now have to deal with a stream of facts that cannot be reconciled within old systems.
A few days ago there was a fascinating bit that came up about the Santa Cruz hippie that had to digest the fact that she was on the same side as the FBI (as an anti-Trump institution). Her system could no longer organize facts her old way. Mind was blown.
Jones is a loser, and he needs to get lost.
So, ISIS and Holocaust deniers are OK on Facebook but not Jones, eh ?
You idiot. No wonder you flunked out of college.
I've never seen his stuff but then I've never seen your grades, either.
This little incident has made me think again about James Damore. The tech companies really ought to adopt neutral principles that err on the side of free expression; if they do not, they risk inviting conservatives to push for more regulation of their industry or to advocate aggressive antitrust enforcement. After Facebook's recent troubles, culminating in a market debacle, they really can't afford to alienate more people. There's already a cultural backlash against social media, and it's going to get worse.
Though on some level I understand why tech companies are taking sides. They figure net neutrality will be brought back when Democrats are in power, so might as well win some prog goodwill now before that happens. They're all destined to become quasi-government "companies."
Dennis Prager had his Prager U deleted from You Tube, a Google company.
Right. Because Google (Alphabet) is in the business of information, not misinformation.
Their brand integrity relies on precisely this.
I look forward to watching these deluded, right-wing myth making mythologizers lose lawsuit after lawsuit while they keep pushing their assault on truth and the facts. It will be glorious.
I agree with Glenn Reynolds and with Ann. I've been wondering about what can be done about this.
Youtube has been quietly removing people that they disagree with for some time.
Alex Jones is kind of a crazy character but really if you're going to disallow his speech then you're going to eventually get around to disallowing the speech of everyone who isn't left-wing and eventually there are going to be some pretty tight restrictions on even what the left can say, although that's kind of a redundant statement, given the nature of the left and that this is already true. But it's the case, that if we could only remember, there are so many examples of this sort of thing in our past.
If we can remember accurately, and boy that is the hard part, societies where only the so-called consensus can be said are the norm, except that there were few enough people back then that even so people still had a lot of actual freedom. But in this day and age, with all our technology for collecting data on people, you have no idea how terrible the punishment will become for saying anything counter to the so-called consensus.
Blogger Inga said...
Funny, every time a liberal commenter mentioned Alex Jones on these threads most of you claimed you had no idea who he was.
You're all the ones who know.
We just care about freedom while you don't.
You idiots have no idea who Martin NIemoller was.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
The world did not begin yesterday you fools.
Good for these companies for adhering to their policies of prohibiting hate speech on their platforms.
Inga said...
Funny, every time a liberal commenter mentioned Alex Jones on these threads most of you claimed you had no idea who he was"
I had an idea of who he was but paid little attention to him because he seemed like a crackpot. Even crackpots have freedom of speech. Althouse agrees.
That's why you and Ritmo get to comment here.
No wonder you flunked out of college.
Go take a law class, you red-faced, narcissistic buffoon.
I know you hate Holocaust deniers. Your preference is for Holocaust advocates, since they love your equally red-faced man Trump so much.
Like the ones who made Ben Shapiro the greatest online target of anti-semitic harassment pretty much ever.
Those are your crowd.
There is a compelling interest in knowing what ISIS is up to.
"Funny, every time a liberal commenter mentioned Alex Jones on these threads most of you claimed you had no idea who he was."
Not no idea, but certainly a vague, limited idea. That was yesterday. Today we all know who he is. The Left: raising nutjobs to higher public prominence. And if you don't think my anger at having to defend him doesn't make me extra vindictive, think again.
I've never seen his stuff but then I've never seen...
...anything that would change your stupid, tantrump-throwing mind?
No shit. You are like an ostrich with your head in the ground. And one who resents how hard it is to insult those of us who live above-ground. The ones you hate so very much.
It is fun to read these comments to see who understands antitrust law.
Opine away, those who know nothing!
“...contracts, combinations and conspiracies in restraint of trade...”
Funny, every time a liberal commenter mentioned Alex Jones on these threads most of you claimed you had no idea who he was"
In the same way that Liberal commenters swear they didn't vote for Hillary.
August 6, 2018
Enforcing Our Community Standards
We believe in giving people a voice, but we also want everyone using Facebook to feel safe. It’s why we have Community Standards and remove anything that violates them, including hate speech that attacks or dehumanizes others. Earlier today, we removed four Pages belonging to Alex Jones for repeatedly posting content over the past several days that breaks those Community Standards. Here’s more detail on enforcement of our standards:
PPPT: "Go take a law class, you red-faced, narcissistic buffoon."
Hmmmm, I would have to assess the opportunity cost for that recommendation.
@Inga, I still don’t. You won’t believe me, but if this happened to a liberal I would still think there was something wrong with it. You see, I am confident that if there really was a free and fair exchange of ideas, we’d win. Your side wants to censor free speech because deep inside you know you’ll lose.
Inga found more words from others to paste!
Whew!
That was a close one.
I always get a kick out of leftists attempting to decide what is and is not 'hate' speech, conspiracy theories and, well, stuff they just don't like. And then doing everything in their power to silence said things they don't like.
Fucking totalitarian thugs. Each and every time.
The good news is they no longer attempt to hide their totalitarianism. In fact, they're embracing it.
It will not end well for them. It never does for those types.
Infa: "Good for these companies for adhering to their policies of prohibiting hate speech on their platforms."
LOL
Antifa is like the Elks Club or something.
“YouTube told BuzzFeed News that "when users violate" the platform's terms and policies "repeatedly, like our policies against hate speech and harassment of our terms prohibiting circumvention of our enforcement measures, we terminate their accounts."”
"Apple does not tolerate hate speech, and we have clear guidelines that creators and developers must follow to ensure we provide a safe environment for all of our users," Apple said in a statement Sunday evening to BuzzFeed News. "Podcasts that violate these guidelines are removed from our directory making them no longer searchable or available for download or streaming. We believe in representing a wide range of views, so long as people are respectful to those with differing opinions.”
If they are deleting content they disagree with, they agree with the content they do not delete..
I had an idea of who he was but paid little attention to him because he seemed like a crackpot.
Another ostrich with her face in the ground. Jones is the crackpot who "activates" the deplorable fascist turds without whom Trump would not be able to get his precious 35% support.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rl807Jfqjg
Good for these companies for adhering to their policies of prohibiting hate speech on their platforms.
See? Typical, leftist thug thinking she gets to define what is and is not hate speech.
“Hate speech” and “community standards” are code words for “speech we don’t want to have to deal with.” If you want “safety,” then learn to live with challenges.
Jim at said...
I always get a kick out of leftists attempting to decide what is and is not 'hate' speech, conspiracy theories and, well, stuff they just don't like. "
You forgot "racism." They also think they have the right to determine what that word means too.
Hence:
Suan Jeong - not racist.
Candace Owens -white supremacist
Ben Shapiro - Nazi
I’m all for companies getting to make policies that their users must abide by. Jones couldn’t seem to do that. I’m quite sure it’ll be hashed out in the courtroom and the best legal minds besides Althouse and Glenn Reynolds, will get to the bottom of it.
Yep. Information technology companies won't be free to decide on what speech they host any more. Soon the Rethuglicans United will force them to contribute to their campaigns, probably, as well.
“...conspiracy in restraint of trade...”
Who wants to give their Leftist Collectivist hot take?
If they are deleting content they disagree with, they agree with the content they do not delete.
Exactly. But it will be different, well, just because.
'Shut up,' they explained.
Tank said, "Unless something just changed, PragerU was not deleted, just restricted so young people and libraries can't watch. They're afraid of PragerU's ideas and arguments."
But that defeats the purpose of PragerU. PragerU is intended for young people.
Part of the reason why we are in such trouble is that the only ideas that young people are being exposed to in most of our schools are fascist. Academia is dominated by neo-nazis. Not admitted too of course. They think they are the opposite, but really it's they are from the same ideological cloth.
Drago said...
CE: "I don’t buy the logic that says it’s a good thing Netflix isn’t showing Farrakhan’s documentary but bad Alex Jones gets the boot."
"Feel free to provide links for people who are making that argument."
They're screaming free speech - when Alex Jones is guilty of the same crime. It doesn't wash. I say, if it's not about Alex Jones, then make it about Alex Jones and then go for all the people like him. It's a war of attrition the Left can't win:
We get to take down Oprah,....
See? Typical, leftist thug thinking she gets to define what is and is not hate speech.
The companies decide it, dummy. Because, lo and behold - decency sells. Normal people agree.
Repugnance sells, also. But it's just a smaller market. Your type of market.
The deplorables lose by default against the decent. Your market for vile trashy sociopathy is only so deep.
It's as shallow as your deformed personalities are.
Deal with it.
"Another ostrich with her face in the ground. Jones is the crackpot who "activates" the deplorable fascist turds without whom Trump would not be able to get his precious 35% support"
Sure, bozo. I heard more about Alex Jones from leftists than I ever did from conservatives.
But what is to be expected from a dolt who thinks San Francisco hobos shit in the streets because Midwesterners use too much energy? You beclowned yourself for all time with that brain puke and I shall never answer you seriously again. You're nuttier than Jones.
PPPT: "Another ostrich with her face in the ground. Jones is the crackpot who "activates" the deplorable fascist turds without whom Trump would not be able to get his precious 35% support."
Whoa!
Trump won 306 electoral votes with just 35% of the vote!!
Maybe that doesn't count all the people defecating on the streets of San Francisco who might have accidentally voted for Trump.
Because San Francisco is so covered in human feces that has to be, what, another 10% of the electorate?
Legal issue:
A) Common carrier or
B) Liability for non-deletions
Which one will the Big Tech Industrial Complex choose?
Heard of AJ.Usually in an insult. Surprised he is such a threat, frankly.
Conspiracy sites are offering several viable alternative frames for current facts, that cannot be reconciled with old frames.
There are several "conspiracy theories", or families of conspiracy theories. There are problems with all of them, but then the traditional, acceptable frames are at least as inadequate. The current behavior of traditional institutions does not correspond to expectations.
A lot of the private outrage (public outrage is another thing entirely) is that upsetting of comfortable world views. This reorientation is painful.
exiled: "Sure, bozo. I heard more about Alex Jones from leftists than I ever did from conservatives."
After all the kerfuffles I looked him up and I have to tell the craziest thing is all the health supplements that guy hawks!
Legal issue:
“...conspiracy in restraint of trade...”
Amusing to see the leftists defending censorship when they don't like the censored.
Mario Savio could not be reached for comment.
Ritmo, speaking of hate speech, is on a roll. Gas chambers are next on Ritmo's shopping list.
Trump won 306 electoral votes with just 35% of the vote!!
I wasn't referencing the vote but obviously approval rating.
I know this hurts you because relying on an equally bad if not worse candidate to run against is what makes Rethuglicans confuse themselves for likable, approved people.
It takes a very special kind of stupid, to succeed in letting Alex Jones take the moral high ground.
Think of the New York Times doing what it would have to in this case; sending a reporter to interview Alex Jones and report on what his position is. Taking down his words, and reporting them. They have to do that now, I think. Lulz. Alex Jones, getting asked serious questions.
This will automatically become Alex Jones' most successful year as a celebrity, and he did it without breaking a sweat.
Drago said...
"After all the kerfuffles I looked him up and I have to tell the craziest thing is all the health supplements that guy hawks!"
I think that's why so many want to protect him: to keep that racket going.
"Good for these companies for adhering to their policies of prohibiting hate speech on their platforms."
There's a phrase for responses to these types of statements.
I believe it's "Fuck off, slaver."
"(1) This is absolutely the first stage in a coordinated plan to deplatform everyone on the right."
The first?
"(2) Aside from its free-speech* implications, which are serious indeed, this also looks like an antitrust violation"
Good luck with that.
Better to think about alternatives: what can "the right" do to protect itself against steps 3 and 4 and 5?
Maybe a Russian provider is willing to help. (Kidding.)
That is curious indeed, that there was such a coordinated attack on Infowars of all things.
They have never been influential. There was little credibility in it. It was marginal and scattered, and wasn't where one went for news.
Why them? Why now?
"...deplorable fascist turds without whom Trump would not be able to get his precious 35% support."
670 ballots in a Georgia precinct with 276 voters,
PPPT: "The deplorables lose by default against the decent."
Alas, we have no spark of divinity like the lefts beloved MS13.
Perhaps there is an online course related to rape, murder and control that would enable us to get in the good graces of the "decent" lefties.
On the other hand, I have to admit, I'm not thrilled about the neck and face tattoo's.
I simply don't know how to accessorize with them. You see, I think I'm a "Cool Summer" so that makes it tougher.
Ritmo, speaking of hate speech, is on a roll. Gas chambers are next on Ritmo's shopping list.
Is your senile dementia causing you to confuse me with those political buddies of yours and what they did to Ben Shapiro, Julia Ioffe, and whomever else they (((bracket))) when naming?
Wasn't it your president who said there were good people on the side of those carrying torches and doing the Nuremberg thing?
You must be really proud of the logic loops you must have to tie yourself into to promote the political crap that you fight so hard to make so many normal people go along with. How thankless a job that must be - even for a narcissist like you!
Maybe it takes so much energy that it's a way to test if your decrepit old ass is really still even alive. Your brain surely isn't.
Just get into a nursing home already? Seriously, what degenerative illnesses have you been diagnosed with so far? Sooner or later hiding it online won't be as easy, Old Timer.
Fullmoon: "670 ballots in a Georgia precinct with 276 voters,"
What do you call democrats who only cheat by doubling their illegal votes?
Lazy.
Still Truthers and Moon Landing denialists on these platforms.
670 ballots...
No citation, from an uneducated right-winger notorious for not knowing how to even quote, let alone cite.
So it's easy to dismiss as fake news. I'm sure the website he got that from was run by someone who doesn't believe in facts, let alone checking them.
Too easy.
Inga said...
Funny, every time a liberal commenter mentioned Alex Jones on these threads most of you claimed you had no idea who he was.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Classic Inga: a naked assertion ("every time") unaccompanied by any evidence, PLUS the equally-unconfirmable claim that "most of you" [who?] "claimed" "you" had no idea who he was.
It's bullshit, pure bullshit....all....the....way....down.
Alas, we have no spark of divinity like the lefts beloved MS13.
Being outed as a Hitler-lover really gets under your skin, doesn't it?
"We get to take down Oprah,"
Is she still talking? Thought she was all behind the scenes making a lot of money on TV
buwaya: "That is curious indeed, that there was such a coordinated attack on Infowars of all things.
They have never been influential. There was little credibility in it. It was marginal and scattered, and wasn't where one went for news.
Why them? Why now?"
Easy to explain.
It's now August in an election year.
The left wants to de-platform all conservative groups (sort of an IRS/TeaParty manuever for the out of govt powers but not out of commercial power).
Start with infowars (who can disagree?) and then accelerate the shadowbanning of all conservative activist and social groups followed by explicit banning.
The left already claims that Fox News should be disbanded, conservative talk radio cut off, etc.
This is inevitable with leftists. But only everywhere in the world, every single time.
PPPT: "Being outed as a Hitler-lover really gets under your skin, doesn't it?"
Not at all!
I can get all the Soup I want from the Soup Nazi!
Wow. PPPT did not respond well to that actual quote from the actual democrat leader in the House related to how much love and respect the dems have for MS13.
See, that's the sort of thing that complete control of media could hide from the public once the lefties get their way.
buwaya said...
"Why them? Why now?"
Why can't anybody see Alex Jones for the liar he is and wave goodbye? Why is that not only acceptable but worthy of a defense? Are you guys NewAgers demanding I "Don't Judge"?
I don't get why actively and unrepentantly deceiving Americans deserves a defense.
http://thecrackemcee.tk
Seriously, what degenerative illnesses have you been diagnosed with so far? Sooner or later hiding it online won't be as easy, Old Timer.
Tell is again why you flunked out of college dope.
Drago said...
"After all the kerfuffles I looked him up and I have to tell the craziest thing is all the health supplements that guy hawks!"
LOL @Drago.
FullMoon said...
"Is [Oprah]e still talking? Thought she was all behind the scenes making a lot of money on TV"
She brought us Obama. Still worthy of a take-down.
I don't get why actively and unrepentantly deceiving Americans deserves a defense.
You have no idea of how dangerous this is to you as well as the people you hate.
I guess I'm not surprised you can't see it. Reparations get in the way.
Frankly, I think even Holocaust deniers, 9-11 Truth erst ought to be able to post. It's not that they're good people, but who picks the line between good people and bad people? Eventually the Internet will be 1000 woke people, and the rest of spectators.
There are people who do break news, or are well known channels for it.
And there are those with a much larger following.
Any of the non-MSM political sites have piled up a track record that can serve as a justification.
The choice of Infowars is significant, there was a reason for it.
This in itself implies a strategy.
Go to InfoWars Store and check out Emric's Essentials.
It's hilarious.
Talk about "out of character".
What's next, free range organic chicken?
The left wants to de-platform all conservative groups (sort of an IRS/TeaParty manuever for the out of govt powers but not out of commercial power).
That may well be what is going on. The lefties here have no idea who Niemoller was.
Michael K said...
"You have no idea of how dangerous this is to you as well as the people you hate."
Liars getting their long-deserved comeuppance don't keep me up at night.
But again, AJ makes an effective political target for the lefty media and will grease the skids for all the actions coming against all conservatives on these platforms.
And all in time for the upcoming elections.
I would really like to read what knowledgeable people have to say about the antitrust angle. Hope they're not driven off by Rit and Ing showing up early.
"Good for these companies for adhering to their policies of prohibiting hate speech on their platforms."
-- But they don't. Holocaust deniers and Antifa calling for violent attacks are not bein banned.
Still waiting for CE to post links to those he claims were saying it was okay to shut down Farrakhan but not AJ.
I'm beginning to think that those links really don't exist....
gbarto said...
"Frankly, I think even Holocaust deniers, 9-11 Truth erst ought to be able to post."
There are black people still trying to figure out what taxes ARE and you guys want to keep deceivers in the mix.
I don't know what to think about such civic and ethical irresponsibility.
Michael K is such an elitist he can’t even imagine that leftists could possibly know who Niemoller is.
That is the ignorance of the unselfaware.
"If you strike me down..."
The Infowars app is rising in the Apple store's rankings after a number of other major digital platforms cracked down on its content.
The app has surged in popularity in recent days from the 47th to the 4th most popular Apple store news app in the United States. That position places Inforwars over CNN, Fox News and The New York Times's apps, according to app analytics site, App Annie.
In Google Play's app store for Android, the Infowars app currently sits at the 11th spot for the most popular U.S. news app, up from its previous spot at 31st.
The app lets users access Infowars videos and articles as well as the Infowars store.
Apple and Google Play are still allowing users to download the app but a number of other platforms have booted Infowars and its founder Alex Jones, including YouTube and Facebook, citing content that violated their policies.
Does the left have a suicide wish ? I wonder sometimes.
"Why can't anybody see Alex Jones for the liar he is and wave goodbye?"
Under the right conditions we are all "liars".
That is when someone sufficiently powerful disagrees with you.
CE: "There are black people still trying to figure out what taxes ARE and you guys want to keep deceivers in the mix."
Hmmmm.
Which black people? Where? And why aren't you sharing with them?
Alex Jones was taken down but posters repeating a song about hanging Republicans? Not. Community standards aren't that if they are not standard across the community.
buwaya said...
"The choice of Infowars is significant, there was a reason for it."
Sure, to start a cult of fever brained imbeciles to believe nonsense and buy unnecessary "health" products.
Don't Americans recognize snake oil anymore?
Liars getting their long-deserved comeuppance don't keep me up at night.
No, you know most of them and support them.
About all anybody needs to know to understand what is going on here is that Candace Owens was banned from Twitter for retweeting Sarah Jeong's tweets (who has not been banned).
The fact that Owens was reinstated makes it even worse. They thought they nailed a rightie, but rather than banning them both (which I think would not have been fair to Owens, she was merely drawing their attention to a violation in need of correction), or banning Jeong (which would be consistent with their professed principles), they backed down. They simply couldn't bring themselves to swing the banhammer at Jeong.
Tells you everything you need to know.
I don’t know much about Jones or InfoWars (just heard he/it pushes the conspiracy that Sandy Hook was staged or a false flag operation) but how does it make money? Subscribers? These video vitamin ads?
CE: "Sure, to start a cult of fever brained imbeciles to believe nonsense and buy unnecessary "health" products."
I think practicing medicine online without a license should not be allowed.
Who is with me on that one?
Inga quickly used Google to show me who brilliant she is. The bedpan commando.
Wow. PPPT did not respond well to that actual quote from the actual democrat leader in the House related to how much love and respect the dems have for MS13.
What do I care what some crackpot house member from some gerrymandered district said? Do I need to call for his/her recall? Is it even news that some nobody representing 1/435th of the U.S. population says something potentially creepy or weird when the president you'll defend at all costs does that all day, every day?
Take those logs out of your eyes, dude.
The fascist left are on the march.
mccullough: "I don’t know much about Jones or InfoWars (just heard he/it pushes the conspiracy that Sandy Hook was staged or a false flag operation) but how does it make money?"
The "9-11 Was An Inside Job" lefties are all over the internet, and always will be, because shut up.
Michael K is such an elitist he can’t even imagine that leftists could possibly know who Niemoller is.
That is the ignorance of the unselfaware.
And ain't that the truth. As true as the day is long.
"There are black people still trying to figure out what taxes ARE"
Interesting. I suggest someone get on that, in some medium they will listen to.
“The fascist left”. But you repeat yourself.
The bedpan commando.
And as if on command... three... two... one... and BAM! There's the elitism. It fucking oozes out of his gelatinous dermal pretend-human skin covering like pus from an abscess.
"Why them? Why now?"
They assumed nobody would say anything about it. They'll unperson everyone they don't like if they think they can push them around.
PPPT: "What do I care what some crackpot house member from some gerrymandered district said?"
LOL
Leader of the dems in the House.
The Leader.
Nice try though. It was a much better effort than your hilarious Cause-Effect Model for human waste on SF streets!
Perhaps you weren't feeling well that day.
I watched a few of Alex Jones's diatribes. Thought he was a nut job and moved on.
The Google/Twitters/You Tubes of the world are terrified people without thinking skills will be influenced. Can't have that.
Question for Inga. Define hate speech please.
PPPT: "And as if on command... three... two... one... and BAM! There's the elitism."
Yeah.
PPPT wrote that.
Just now.
LOL
Too easy. Yawn..
"Washington
Habersham County’s Mud Creek precinct in northeastern Georgia had 276 registered voters ahead of the state’s primary elections in May.
But 670 ballots were cast, according to the Georgia secretary of state’s office, indicating a 243 percent turnout.
Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article216056560.html#storylink=cpy"
Liars getting their long-deserved comeuppance don't keep me up at night.
Me neither.
But it obviously bugs tantrump-throwers like Michael K.
Hillary lost. This is what you get. Imagine if she had won?
Community Standards are not that when they are not applied across the entire community. I'm fine with a company saying: "Yeah, we just don't like you, so we won't be a vehicle to help you make money/express your opinion."
But don't hide behind a "community standard" when a quick search of your book of faces, tubes of you and the like show me racism, Holocaust denial, "we faked the moon landing," "Bush wanted people to drown," "9-11 was an inside job," and various and sundry "punch people who disagree with us" groups.
Alex Jones probably broke the community standards a lot. But, then again, I've seen worse, reported it, and nothing has been done. I'd rather these companies be honest than lie to us.
Matthew Sablan said...
"Alex Jones was taken down but posters repeating a song about hanging Republicans? Not. Community standards aren't that if they are not standard across the community."
Hey, I gave you a song to fight with - for free - but getting it passed around is like pulling teeth. Andrew Breitbart said the Right has to start making art. But, if conservatives don't understand the importance of the cultural battle, what difference does it make?
Thank goodness for Trump because (as the 2012 autopsy said) the Right, generally, is lame.
http://thecrackemcee.tk
CE wrote: I think that's why so many want to protect him (Jones): to keep that racket going."
Crack, the women I've seen at Whole Foods with $300 worth of St. John's Wort and sawgrass tablets in their carts are unlikely to be fans of Alex Jones. They look like they voted for Jill Stein and now lie and say they voted for Hillary so their friends won't screech at them for helping to turn Wisconsin red.
Health supplements sure don't seem to have helped Jones much.
"I don't get why actively and unrepentantly deceiving Americans deserves a defense."
For the reason Glenn Reynolds states; the one in Althouse's headline. It's not that tough to figure out. This isn't about Jones, who is a marginal figure, or was until yesterday.
A-D, AB
The SCOTUS has moved away from aggressive antitrust enforcement. That happened about 20 years ago when more direct evidence was required beyond “conscious parallelism” but that matters in a different context: horizontal competition.
This is more akin to illegal vertical constraint, or perhaps even group boycott. Group boycott was deemed illegal during the civil rights movement.
IOW, this has legs but it might be a case of first impression.
The common carrier VS. liability for what is not deleted is a bigger near-term threat.
Leader of the dems in the House.
The Leader.
Yes. The Democrats are so well-led right now. No upset elections or hard-fought contests for leadership at all going on.
I guess that's why you couldn't even print the name of this apparently very important leader.
CE: "Hey, I gave you a song to fight with - for free - but getting it passed around is like pulling teeth."
Like Blanche Dubois, CE has always depended on the kindness of strangers....
Here is the game.
1) Commission polls that say Democrats are heading.
2) Work with media allies to create a "blue wave" narrative for Nov 2018.
3) Approach companies using the line, "That's a nice Facebook you've got there. Wouldn't want to see anything happen to it."
4) Apply media "blue wave" narrative repeatedly to all relevant companies in order to silence any Democrat opposition.
5) Win in November, thus proving the polls and ue wave narrative were right!
This isn't about Alex Jones. This is about winning the election in November.
Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
"Hillary lost. This is what you get. Imagine if she had won?"
Exactly. There'd be more freaks in the White House than just Dr. Oz - who Trump should fire immediately.
Drain the swamp - of NewAgers.
Some rap song about progressive taxation and the quintile distribution of federal revenues?
Also how to fill in the 1040EZ form.
Its actually surprising how scary this is to teens.
My daughter didn't want to touch it.
Its also interesting that this stuff just isn't mentioned in schools.
Neither are such (one would think) interesting things like where all that water and electricity comes from.
Remember when Alex Jones was a 9/11 troofer nut? Yeah - leftwingers from every corner embraced him.
Inga: "Why should private companies allow hate speech on their platforms, when they have express policies against it?"
These private companies do allow hate speech online.
And "hate" coordination activities (like muslim rape gangs).
And video's of gays being thrown off roofs.
And coordination calls by antifa to attack conservatives.
And the list is endless.
On the other side, twitter leaves up Sarah Jeong's racist comments, but bans Candace Owens for re-tweeting those same comments with the target group altered (as an experiment).
The results? Precisely what you already knew they would be....
But only every time.
“Martin Niemöller’s lines, written just after the Holocaust, argued against apathy—and for the moral connectedness of all people.”
Why should private companies allow hate speech on their platforms, when they have express policies against it? Where is the moral connectedness of hate speech?
First they came for the undocumented immigrants, then they came for the asylum seekers, then they took away the children of the asylum seekers, and what did you moral upstanding people do? Did you speak out? Did you defend them?
Hypocrites
"Hey, I gave you a song to fight with - for free - but getting it passed around is like pulling teeth. "
-- The reason that song stuck in my mind was because the person claimed it was a late 1800s early 1900s era-song about the evils of Republicans in the South. And I was just kind of shocked. I didn't post, but I wanted to ask: "You realize they're using "Republican" as a stand in for "Blacks" and this is a song about lynching blacks, right?"
InfoWars seems to have a lot of subscribers/viewers. Perhaps that’s why they were de-platformed over other conspiracy sites. There must be wealthy people who can create platforms for non-progressive sites. Fox News sprang up and ate the lunch of the other networks. Can’t zSheldon Adelson or one of these other conservative billionaires put some money into this. Looks like money to b made.
"Remember when Alex Jones was a 9/11 troofer nut? Yeah - leftwingers from every corner embraced him."
-- I remember when the left LIKED WikiLeaks.
When leftists define "hate" speech" = Speech leftists don't like.
let's take a vote
anyone love Hitler?
Godwin? Anyone??
Mrs. Magoo quotes Niemoller as she's fighting for the right to, in effect, burn books.
I shouldn't be astonished by the sanctimonious stupidity of the dullard, but every day, she tops herself.
"Crack, the women I've seen at Whole Foods ..."
In San Francisco this is truth^3
I understand that LA is worse, but only by anecdote.
Its amazing what people will buy.
exiledonmainstreet said...
"Crack, the women I've seen at Whole Foods with $300 worth of St. John's Wort and sawgrass tablets in their carts are unlikely to be fans of Alex Jones."
No, they buy shit from GOOP - which ought to be removed as well. Jesus, you guys, this is politics 101. Do I have to play Patton/Rommell here to show you how to defeat the Democrats?
Mathew Sablan: "The reason that song stuck in my mind was because the person claimed it was a late 1800s early 1900s era-song about the evils of Republicans in the South. And I was just kind of shocked. I didn't post, but I wanted to ask: "You realize they're using "Republican" as a stand in for "Blacks" and this is a song about lynching blacks, right?""
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
PPPT wrote that.
Be fair, Dreck-O. It doesn't make me elitist to say that Michael K. the former doctor is full of shit and demented and that being a former doctor doesn't make that untrue and obligate me to listen to him and his narcissism.
But he does think that I have to uncritically accept all the bullshit he peddles here and, as if to prove his point, will insult fast-food employees (some of whom make more than the very wealthy FullMoon - no, seriously! He's like richer than the millionaire on Gilligan's Island!)
Not sure why someone who's not an elitist would reflexively, without fail, resort to that as if it were an argument. Especially if he made it a point to talk about how being raised by a nursemaid (or wet nurse, or whatever you called it) was such a great demonstration of proper, organic, salt-of-the-earth parental care.
CE: " Do I have to play Patton/Rommell here to show you how to defeat the Democrats?"
Easy big fella.
You are dancing right up to the LLR Chuck self-regard/delusions of grandeur Rubicon.
"Why should private companies allow hate speech on their platforms, when they have express policies against it?"
-- They shouldn't. But they need to be consistent. Or is saying that Israeli children should be murdered before they become terrorists like all Israelis do and that the Jews didn't suffer enough during the Holocaust not hate speech, but claiming kids are "crisis actors" is? Like, help me figure out the line here. Cause... one you can still find with some searching, the other was summarily ban hammered in a unified strike.
"Liars getting their long-deserved comeuppance don't keep me up at night."
Crack,
By that logic, most political speech and advertising would be shut down by private actors.
By whose authority is lying (or hate speech) determined? Do these censors need training?
These are obvious concerns that the fascist left seems to overlook.
exiledonmainstreet said...
"For the reason Glenn Reynolds states; the one in Althouse's headline. It's not that tough to figure out. This isn't about Jones, who is a marginal figure, or was until yesterday."
Glenn rarely is helpful, in my opinion: make it about Alex Jones and then go on the attack - it's a no lose situation.
PPPT: "Be fair, Dreck-O. It doesn't make me elitist to say that Michael K. the former doctor is full of shit and demented and that being a former doctor doesn't make that untrue and obligate me to listen to him and his narcissism"
Well, no it doesn't make you elitist, true enough.
But it also doesn't make the premise of your assertion correct either.
Agree to disagree! Who wants grape popsicles?!
CE: "Glenn rarely is helpful, in my opinion:"
Glenn is most reliable and helpful, in my opinion.
let's take a vote
anyone love Hitler?
A good number of Trump's supporters do.
Don't you love how they use (((triple brackets))) around the names of "certain people that they don't seem to like very much?"
Yes, let's ignore that, the way the right-wing tantrump-throwers ignore everything else.
What an elaborately false world and narrative you fools must spin to deny basically every fact there is out there.
You people don’t have the moral right to even utter the name of Martin Niemoller after Trump’s scandal of stealing children from their parents and the hateful way you despicable people reacted to it.
MS: "Or is saying that Israeli children should be murdered before they become terrorists like all Israelis do and that the Jews didn't suffer enough during the Holocaust not hate speech, ..."
Careful MS. No criticism of Inga's beloved arab/muslim supremacists is likely to be tolerated here.
If Twitter, Facebook, Google, Apple, etc want to assist the Communist Chinese govt control its own people (and they are) as well as wink and nod at islamic terrorists, particularly in terms of attacking Israeli's....well, what's wrong with that?
This one will hit 400 comments by the time I get back from picking up my wife's car.
Ritmo and Inga lead the non-elites, which means anyone who has not flunked out of college.
Of course, Inga just got her RN out of a cracker jack box. Or LVN as the case may be.
At least AJ is not a member of ANTIFA. Or ISIS. I understand both turned Ritmo down for low T.
buwaya said...
"Some rap song about progressive taxation and the quintile distribution of federal revenues?"
This is the kind of condescension I mentioned yesterday. America has shitty schools whites couldn't be bothered to care about calling America. Deal with it, Mr. Salute The Flag
the unintended consequences passed off as the cost of doing business?
“let's take a vote
anyone love Hitler?”
“A good number of Trump's supporters do.”
We sure don’t see any white supremacists, white nationalists glomming on to the left, now do we? Why are they Trump supporters? Maybe he resonates with them.
By that logic, most political speech and advertising would be shut down by private acto--
SNIP!
The correct observation is,
"By that logic, most political speech and advertising would be shut down by private payers."
Fixed that for you, twit.
Someone who I'm sure opposes the ACA and the idea that people shouldn't die from chronic illness due to inability to pay, and that the richest Americans' and corporations' taxes should instead be cut to make that happen, dares to pretend he's got any credibility saying that private companies should be forced to host the destructive speech habits of the most scurrilous, lawsuit-targeted, better business-abasing assholes.
Illogic loop complete.
Inga: “You people...”
When you devalue us, how much from 100% valuable do you place us?
A range will be fine.
Just need to do some back of the envelope calculations.
Inga: "You people don’t have the moral right to even utter the name of Martin Niemoller..."
LOL
Oh, we are back to that one are we?
Not surprising, since your big "story" over the weekend collapsed in record time.
Apparently, Inga is really really really into recycling.
Or is it just "any port in a storm" here?
America has shitty schools whites couldn't be bothered to care about
I guess that's why your pals the teachers' unions are blocking the new Ed Dept Secretary from schools.
You should try to learn who your friends are before they all give upon you.
-- I remember when the left LIKED WikiLeaks.
Indeed.
This is all the big *Hillary lost and WE cannot EVER let this happen again!*
anti-free speech revenge movement.
Hide behind "HATE speech" and watch the the lefty mega-corporatists dig in.
Michael K , senile as usual. A senile elitist. Ya can’t make this shit up, lol.
Inga, you don't have the moral right to quote Lewis Carroll to us, much less Martin Niemoller.
After all, Carroll knew exactly what you dregs are:
"When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
Never boring..jeeze try a little..
....anyone love Hitler?
A good number of Trump's supporters do.
Trump’s scandal of stealing children from their parents and the hateful way you despicable people reacted to it.
Francisco D said...
"By whose authority is lying (or hate speech) determined? Do these censors need training?"
That's the "we can't know anything" argument of the NewAge.
It's followed by "Don't Judge" so no is punished for deceiving and hurting others.
Gee, I wonder how society got so fucked up and people lost faith in the law?
Ritmo and Inga lead the non-elites, which means anyone who has not flunked out of college.
Wait a minute. I thought you said your drop-out spawn and in-laws were the real elites because - or probably despite - all evidence as to any decency or character on their part notwithstanding, you said that they worked with their hands and made a lot of money. Which supposedly made them awesome. They jerked off material objects for you to ogle.
So which is it? Are they the non-elites or are people who don't hate knowledge?
You really are the king of nonsense, aren't you?
What a pile of shit this comment fest turned into.
Do you guys plan to stay up until 2 a.m. insulting one another?
Ritmo's not even the most execrable loon on this one, which is saying something.
Later CE: "This is the kind of condescension I mentioned yesterday."
More importantly, its the kind of condescension you've demonstrated today!
Earlier CE: "Jesus, you guys, this is politics 101. Do I have to play Patton/Rommell here to show you how to defeat the Democrats?"
In my experience, the demonstrations carry infinitely more weight than the lectures in these sorts of things.
Still waiting for that cascade of links from CE for those he claimed argued that Farrakhan should be banned but not AJ.
Pray tell, how long will I have to wait?
I ask so little really...
Ritmo's not even the most execrable loon on this one, which is saying something.
Haha. It means you'll have to jerk your scatological self off to someone else, this time. LOL.
“So which is it? Are they the non-elites or are people who don't hate knowledge?
You really are the king of nonsense, aren't you?”
He must’ve forgotten that Trumpists are supposed to eschew elitism. Trump is for the working man!
Sheesh.
Drago said...
"Glenn is most reliable and helpful, in my opinion."
He, too, peddles supplements and quackery - just like Alex Jones and GOOP - and , like you, takes a pretty rough approach to race that hardly makes the dream of blacks becoming Republicans a welcoming proposition.
I don't know what the goals of the Right are, but the 2012 autopsy said you had problems:
I'd suggest finally dealing with them.
We've just about reached peak idiocy with Ritmo.
Here comes his brilliant intellectual clincher: "Why don't you read a book!"
When it comes to total venom and outlandish stupidity, Ritmo really is a contender. I suspect he'll be here for the next 10 hours.
Sorry, I didn’t read all the comments yet so this may have already been said, but:
Why aren’t Facebook/Apple/google required to bake the cake that this guy wants baked? They chose to be in the cake baking (internet platform) business. Or are they allowed to discriminate against white heterosexual males (ala NYT and Sarah Leong)?
What if Alex Jones makes a post that says he identifies as gay?
CE: "I don't know what the goals of the Right are, but the 2012 autopsy said you had problem"
2012?
Uh, that was, like, a hundred years ago in Ezra Klein years.
“I don't know what the goals of the Right are, but the 2012 autopsy said you had problems:
I'd suggest finally dealing with them.”
They’ve doubled and tripled down on those problems. We Democrats and liberals thank you.
AA: "What if Alex Jones makes a post that says he identifies as gay?"
Lots of nazi's were gay.
Lots.
And lots.
NTTATWWT
Michael K said...
"I guess that's why your pals the teachers' unions..."
I'm, a Republican, Michael K. Looks like the schools weren't kind to you, either.
You people don’t have the moral right to even utter the name of Martin Niemoller after Trump’s scandal of stealing children from their parents and the hateful way you despicable people reacted to it.
No doubt. His behavior in this was truly Auschwitzian.
Ask a Holocaust survivor how they feel about that crap.
Well, I guess they would, but they're too busy scaring up votes from people who name Jews with (((triple scare brackets))), just before sending them rape threats and telling them to go jump into ovens.
These are the Trump people. They have been activated.
CE: No, they buy shit from GOOP - which ought to be removed as well."
But you know it won't be. Paltrow, with her steamed vag and overpriced trash, is on the right (read: left) side of the political aisle so she's safe.
Once upon a time, the left pretended to believe in free speech. What it comes down to is they only want it for themselves. They have no arguments. They have no solutions. So they scream and censor, like the little totalitarians they are.
Conservative rap.... Sort of.
Inga: "They’ve doubled and tripled down on those problems. We Democrats and liberals thank you."
Yeah, Inga wrote that, at the very moment the democrats are their lowest power ebb since the 1920's and whose likely Presidential candidates are praising MS13, attacking ICE and declaring open borders.
This is what happens when Inga deviates from posting the words of others. She, unfortunately, has only her own words to fall back on.
Yikes!
"America has shitty schools whites couldn't be bothered to care about calling America."
America does indeed have shitty schools, and white people are responsible for creating this absurdly expensive yet inadequate system.
And I'm not joking, its a fact.
What you really have here in the US is a caste war between white and white, where some whites run everything, run all major institutions, and want to keep other whites suppressed. Everyone else is along for this ride. Or, at worst, serve as ammunition.
let's take a vote
who's into stealing children?
Amanda Taub? Anyone??
Here comes his brilliant intellectual clincher: "Why don't you read a book!"
I would never dream of offending such an upstanding man as yourself with such a suggestion, ST.
Everyone knows your ignorance comes directly from all those books you haven't read and that trying to read them would only make you sound even stupider.
You're welcome!
exiled: "But you know it won't be. Paltrow, with her steamed vag..."
This poses a quandary for the lefties.
If the islamic supremacists the dems advocate for and defend had their way, Female Genital Mutilation and Burka's would rule the day.
How in the world can the Inga's of the world square that circle with their steamed vag's?
One wonders....
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