[Beverly Young] Nelson will hold a news conference Friday at which her lawyer, Gloria Allred, said expert evidence would be presented that it was Moore’s signature.It sounds like they went out and got their own expert — after refusing to use some neutral entity in a safeguarded process — and that person couldn't verify the whole thing. So they're admitting that part of it is fake, and they want us to accept that expert's view that the other part is real.
“We’re going to present evidence that we think is important on the issue whether Roy Moore signed the yearbook,” Allred told ABC News.
December 8, 2017
"Roy Moore accuser admits altering yearbook entry."
Why is she admitting this now?
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Now she's just phoning it in. I don't blame her. She got dealt some piss poor troll cards today.
How can you not believe Abigail when she says she saw Goody Osburn dance with the devil? Have you lost your moral center?
Fuck the Lyin' Left.
With a backhoe.
“She got dealt some piss poor troll cards today.”
Really? Which ones. Elaborate.
Adding the date and location to Moore’s inscription does not prove that the inscription by Moore is a forgery.
Yeah, pretty much.
Even R/V admitted he was wrong about something today. It makes me take his posts more seriously.
Tim, link?
Try to imagine if the parties were reversed, and Republicans had tried to pass off the "added inscription" as written by a Democrat, and then it was proven not to have been, that Inga would be here not just saying that the Republican accusation was still credible, but that anyone who thought it proved otherwise or wasn't evidence of forgery was "loathsome".
Seriously, it's fun.
You have to look at all the evidence.
“Allred retained Georgia-based handwriting expert Arthur Anthony to assess the yearbook signature and cross-examine it with copies and originals of Moore’s signature on other documents. Anthony concluded that the signature is indeed Moore’s, Allred said at a news conference Friday afternoon in Atlanta, where she handed out Anthony’s report.
Nelson told ABC News on Friday that she later added the date (“12-22-77”) and location (“Olde Hickory House”) beneath Moore’s message and signature. But she insisted that Moore, who later became the chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, penned the note and his name.”
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/roy-moore-accuser-says-added-date-location-yearbook-note
If any part of it is fake, then it isn't trustworthy as evidence and would be thrown out in a real court. I'm not a lawyer and even I know that. Of course, the only thing that matters on Tuesday is the court of public opinion. I'm no fan of Moore, but the alternative is even worse. Much like the last presidential election. When in doubt, vote against the Democrat.
If Nelson really was assaulted, Allred having her insist Moore wrote the whole thing fatally undermines her credibility.
Well yeah. This is the thing, someone who was really assaulted should stay as far away from Gloria Allred as possible. I was already inclined to disbelieve this women because of ol' Gloria. Now? Even worse.
I have been on the accused side of this issue for a long time, Democrat and Republican, until their story falls apart due to to conflicts with, you know, reality.
Inga was defending Bill Clinton just a short while ago, for God's sake. Doesn't bother her a bit that Democrats don't care abut Menendez. In fact, the real reason, I am betting, that they don't go after Menendez on this, is that Bill Clinton flew on the pedophiles plane many many times, and ditched his Secret Service detail at least six times. According to flight logs.
Oh yeah, and the new post presidency accusers who were 18 at the time and working on some other billionaire's private jet.
I would have voted against Trump had it been anybody but Hillary, but we had a Hobson's choice there, since Hillary was no choice at all.
Inga: "Really? Which ones. Elaborate."
Ingas Memory Reset Protocol is firing about every 10 minutes today.
It's sad to see the mighty troll Inga laid so low.
that the signature is indeed Moore’s
Yeah it is. From the rubber stamp that was created some twenty years after the yearbook. Another lying disingenuous cocksucker. The initials, DA. prove it. Moore only had his assistant Delbra Adams as a judge.
I wonder if Arthur Anthony was also the guy that "verified" the fake Bush National Guard docs for Rather?
Another lefty hoax offered with just weeks to go in a campaign.
I literally can't think of any way Inga could have permanently destroyed her credibility any more than she has in this thread. This is seriously epic.
For all we know, Arthur Anthony was paid to create this latest dem forgery.
It has been a long time since I’ve seen Althouse commenters act in such a loathsome manner. Shame on you.
For weeks, you ran your mouth calling everybody who DARED to question the legitimacy of the yearbook signature as apologists for pedophiles and child molesters. And worse. Repeatedly.
And now it's being shown those people were right to question the signature, you come on here and shake your finger of shame because some of us are telling your where to stick it?
FU and the horse you rode in on.
“Inga was defending Bill Clinton just a short while ago, for God's sake.”
Why are you lying Tim? His does this serve you well? First you say three things I spoke of today were discredited, I asked you what you were referring to, you haven’t answered. Then you say something about “troll cards”, I asked you what you’re talking about, you didn’t answer, now you outright lie about me defending Bill Clinton?? What is your problem?
Inga Memory Reset: ACTIVATE!
Tim did list the 3 things you were wrong about, Inga. LOL. She just can't stop lying.
Another Inga screen name change is definitely a possibility at this point
“FU and the horse you rode in on.”
LOL, no thanks and my horse says stay the hell away from her.
For all the supposed belief by liberals that they're the ones with scientific knowledge and methods while conservatives are a bunch of knuckledraggers, they sure haven't figured out this internet thing yet.
I believe it was in blog comments here where a certified graphologist absolutely insisted the whole inscription was by Roy Moore, and any of us saying otherwise were wrong. I'll have look it up up and check- maybe he said he was certifiable and not certified... Right on the internet we have this: https://twitter.com/j_wizzles/status/933394003306958858 , a quick and easy to see analysis of the signature and inscription.
And the D.A. after his name- doesn't mean District Attorney. It's the initials of his assistant who initialed after rubber stamping his name. Us denizens of the internet knew this within 24 hours of this whole brouhaha erupting. How many people who rely on the MSM know this? And something I just noticed- there's a period after the "D" and the "A". That makes it even more obvious it's initials. "DA" for District Attorney" wouldn't have that middle period. Probably not the second one either.
The Dan Rather fiasco was an object lesson to liberals that they can't lie and get away with it anymore. Used to be there'd be a report on television, echoed by MSM newspapers and news magazines (remember when news magazines were actually important?) would be all people would know. Now, anything published is out on the internet where there really are layers of fact checkers. And if there's ANYTHING wrong with the evidence, internet denizens will know it toot suite. People who rely on MSM- not so much.
What do the readers of this blog know that MSM consumers don't? The initials, for one thing. That Judge Moore presided over the divorce of this particular accuser. Everything that rcocean said at 2:28 PM. And this copied from another blog's comments: "Several employees of the restaurant in 1977 also said that they don’t remember Young-Nelson working there. They also said that the restaurant had a policy of not hiring anyone under age 16 (Young-Nelson claimed to have started her employment there at age 15). The employees also said that the restaurant’s wait staff did not interact with or serve the counter customers, who were always waited on by either the bartender or the short-order cook. (Young-Nelson said she met Moore when he came in to eat at the counter). The employees also said that there was no vehicle exit from the back lot of the restaurant, as the restaurant’s back lot bordered the back yards of private homes. (Young-Nelson said she wasn’t concerned when Moore drove her into the restaurant’s back lot, because she knew there was an exit to the street from the back lot). The employees also said that the restaurant’s dumpsters were not kept in the back lot, which was too small, but were instead kept on the sides of the restaurants, and that it was impossible to park a car between them. (Young-Nelson claimed Moore had driven her to the dark and deserted back lot and parked his car between the dumpsters so as not to be seen). The employees also said that the restaurant had a porch and bright lights that extended all the way around the restaurant, so that the back of the restaurant was never dark and deserted as Young-Nelson claimed. The employees also said that they did not recall ever seeing Roy Moore in the restaurant.
A former regular customer of the restaurant in 1977, a deputy sheriff who knew Roy Moore in 1977 and said he would have recognized him, also said that he never saw Moore in the restaurant."
But none of this has been reported by the MSM. OTOH, the initial accusation was front page news. Slowly but surely the MSM is destroying their credibility. Comes the day they're going to cry "WOLF!" and the wolf is actually there, and no one will believe them.
Gloria Allred is representing the family of a Fargo woman who was murdered and had her baby taken from the womb. Not much of a legal issue here, so it must be about making money from being a victim of an awful crime.
From the Fargo Forum, Sept. 28, 2017:
FARGO – The family of Savanna LaFontaine-Greywind has retained high-profile California attorney Gloria Allred as its legal counsel and to deal with media requests.
The announcement that Allred had been retained was made on the Facebook page of LaFontaine-Greywind’s family. Allred later confirmed that she had been retained but declined to comment.
The Facebook post stated: “Any requests for appearances, interviews, statements, etc., should now be coordinated through Ms. Allred’s office. Please continue to respect the family’s privacy.”
It's odd.
Tim posted the 3 at 3:43 pm eastern.
“Another Inga screen name change is definitely a possibility at this point.”
Why? I’m enjoying myself immensely. I just showed you idiots to be gullible fools. Fox News....Forgery! LOL.
Inga: Why? I’m enjoying myself immensely. I just showed you idiots to be gullible fools. Fox News....Forgery! LOL."
No comment necessary.
Most. Pathetic. Troll. Ever.
First you say three things I spoke of today were discredited,
I said "this week" Inga. Quit Lying.
Blogger Unknown said...
Was Monica coerced? He was powerful, but she said yes and meant it, it seems from her memoirs. Not so in the case of Weinstein and Louis CK. Having said that I think Bill Clinton was a repulsive jerk.
Followed up by:
Blogger Unknown said...
“At the age of 22”, I fell in love with my boss.”
Monica Lewinski
She said yes. He was a jerk and a creep for taking advantage of her infatuation. I never considered him a gentlman, or some prize and I think Hillary was a fool for staying with him.
I don't know about you guys, but I always use "repulsive jerk" when describing a guy whose been accuse of forcible rape multiple times, unless, of course, like Inga, I don't believe the women.
Quit lying, Inga.
Yes Inga, shame on me. I debunked the claim the yearbook was in two inks. I debunked the claim she lied about voting. I provided a link to her attributing what she wrote to Moore, in her original press conference. What shameful care and attention to detail I have shown.
Seriously. Who signs or has their yearbook signed in December?
The yearbook comes out in the spring. And as I remember it, there is a frenzy of getting the yearbook signed before school is out. Then that book is set aside waiting for next school year's edition. If the yearbook is published in the spring it would be for the 76/77 school year. Next publication would be for the school year 77/78 and that book would not have existed in December 1977.
That part of dragging around a yearbook for the summer, fall and winter to be signed, makes no sense to me.
"It has been a long time since I’ve seen Althouse commenters act in such a loathsome manner. "
Inga, admit that this is a loser.
You get all excited like my basset hound when I mention a walk.Then, by the time we climb the hill back to the house, she is pooped out.
Your big hate Trump theories are all losers and eventually blow up but you have already gone on to the next.
Why not just let us know you don't like Trump and post about something else.
Christmas is coming !
Why stay focused on negative stuff ?
"It wasn't a forgery, she just wrote it and then told the world he wrote it! Totally different, you loathsome gullible fools!"
Ken B, I am not sure you "debunked" the claim about lying about voting. I would have to read the state law definitions, but you did raise enough doubt that I won't say it again without more research. But I don't think you have actually "debunked" the two ink thing at all whatsoever.
About Arthur T. Anthony, the handwriting analyst:
Mr. Anthony has considerable experience as a Forensic Document Examiner. He has worked for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Illinois Department of Law Enforcement, and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation from 1981 to 2009, where he was Chief Forensic Document Examiner and Manager of Questioned Documents and Forensic Imaging Section. He has been certified by the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners since 1984. Mr. Anthony has written numerous publications on handwriting and indicated he has testified in hundreds of cases on such matters.
IMO that just means hundreds of cases need to be reopened.
Why would she admit this now?
Because it's Friday in a week where President Trump formally recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and Franks & Franken announced resignations.
Darrell
I am a LLR. Christ, I walked the hall at the Convention in KC to dump Ford for Reagan. I voted for Trump early and often. I'd vote for Moore if I could get to Alabama, of course I'd have to register as a Soros felon Democrat for cover. I even turned a couple of hippie girls into Republicans in college, they had called me a Nazi in poly sci class. It's amazing what three pitchers of beer and a threesome will do.
I was even an alter boy, although never hit on, only nuns hit on me, literally hit me. But, after what they did to Nixon, tried to do to Reagan, the Clinton years and the slow roll coup now being attempted, it's take no prisoners.
I'm gonna guess Inga has already deployed an alternate screen name in this thread.
The "encryption key" That was sent to him by somebody after the emails were already public. CNN fucked up the date. Read about it in the WaPo, if you like.
“CNN has issued a correction to a Friday morning exclusive about documents that Donald Trump Jr. received from Wikileaks after the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and NBC News contradicted its original story.
The new reports said that Trump Jr. and other campaign officials had received an email pointing them to the Wikileaks documents on the afternoon of Sept. 14 — after they had already been made public.
The original CNN report said Trump Jr. had received the email on Sept. 4, before Wikileaks had made the documents public.
It also noted that on the same day, Donald Trump Jr. began tweeting about Wikileaks and Hillary Clinton.
CNN ran a correction, changed its headline and removed a tweet from Trump Jr. from Sept. 4 in acknowledging the error.
“Correction: This story has been corrected to say the date of the email was September 14, 2016, not September 4, 2016. The story also changed the headline and removed a tweet from Donald Trump Jr., who posted a message about WikiLeaks on September 4, 2016,” the correction reads.“
Ok good. They corrected it. I posted by link before the correction.
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“The "contact during the campaign" that was bullshit, it was during the transition, not that either one would have been illegal. Ross was suspended for a month for that fuckup.
I didn’t comment on this story today, so what the hell are you talking about?
——————————————
The "trump bank records subpoena" which turned out to be a Manafort subpoena.
“Yes, Deutsche Bank did get a subpoena from Mueller
Donald Trump’s lawyer denies that US special counsel Robert Mueller subpoenaed Deutsche Bank. We stand by our story – which never said Mr. Trump’s own records were requested.
In a way, the hoopla that sprung up on Tuesday is rather surprising. For months, observers have been expecting FBI special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating alleged links between Donald Trump and Russia, to subpoena Deutsche Bank for documents relating to the US president or his inner circle. On Tuesday, Handelsblatt reported the subpoena had in fact been issued weeks ago.”
https://global.handelsblatt.com/finance/yes-deutsche-bank-did-get-a-subpoena-from-mueller-861828
There were many subpoenas going out to Manafort today, correct. Has nothing to do with Duetsche Bank being subpoenaed weeks ago.
The think about here claiming to have voted for Trump is that it can't be checked, except if she did or didn't actually vote. So in no way does her claim to have voted for Trump increase her credibility. If she's lying about one thing, she will lie about the other.
Someone upthread said the first name looks like "Ray" and that makes it a rhyme. That's true! The "a" in "say" looks just like the "o" in "Roy", which would make it an "a" in "Ray." It does not look like the o's in "Moore" or in "more." And the o's in "Moore" do not look like the "o" in "more." So it is a cutesy yearbook signing:
"To a more beautiful girl I could not say,
Merry Christmas Love, Ray."
I didn’t comment on this story today, so what the hell are you talking about?
Fuck you and your lying denials Inga.
“Fuck you and your lying denials Inga.”
No thanks, I prefer men who don’t have mental problems.
Last one, Inga.
How did that CNN story about the "encryption key" work out for you Inga? Speaking of dishonesty. That's three busted flushes this week, not counting this one.
How can you not believe Abigail when she says she saw Goody Osburn dance with the devil? Have you lost your moral center?
Love, it, exiled! ;-)
The expert has to be shown the rubber-stamped signature on the divorce papers from twenty years after the alleged incident--then be shown the yearbook. They are an exact match down to the DA that always appears when the assistant stamped the signature. Mr. Anthony needs to be sued back to the stone age and every case he ever offered expert testimony reopened and examined. He sells an opinion for $$$. If this was Little Green Footballs, you could create an animated GIF to show that the yearbook signature is the rubber stamp signature by having it morph back and forth.
Inga said...
The "encryption key" That was sent to him by somebody after the emails were already public. CNN fucked up the date.
No, CNN is standing by their original story. They are now accusing the Trumps of time travel.
No thanks, I prefer men who don’t have mental problems.
I bet there in the asylum, guys like that are hard to come by.
Tim
For the 2 ink, the article explains how the artifact arises, and demonstrates it. The second pic I linked shows the effect with different conditions taking place within words and letters in that photo. It cannot be two inks, it must be an artifact. Color photos taken straight on, when the aberration will not occur, have been published and show one color ink. So that is refuted. Not just debunked, refuted, disproved, shattered, destroyed.
As for voting, I proved there is no evidence she did not vote. It is improper to call her a liar without such evidence. That is a debunking.
To turn the conversation around a bit - after all, this will be resolved one way or another by other people who aren't listening to anyone -
I follow the bloody stock market of course.
Is it my imagination that a bad news day for Trump drives the market down, and good news drives the market up?
A good day today.
Of course this is the crowd doing this, or God knows what automated systems following the crowds with whatever weird logic they have been given.
Still, hmmm.
Blogger Unknown said...
Was Monica coerced? He was powerful, but she said yes and meant it, it seems from her memoirs. Not so in the case of Weinstein and Louis CK. Having said that I think Bill Clinton was a repulsive jerk.
Followed up by:
“Blogger Unknown said...
“At the age of 22”, I fell in love with my boss.”
Monica Lewinski
She said yes. He was a jerk and a creep for taking advantage of her infatuation. I never considered him a gentlman, or some prize and I think Hillary was a fool for staying with him.
I don't know about you guys, but I always use "repulsive jerk" when describing a guy whose been accuse of forcible rape multiple times, unless, of course, like Inga, I don't believe the women.”
This is DEFENDING Bill Clinton? What the hell is wrong with you?
“I bet there in the asylum, guys like that are hard to come by.”
You should know. Time for another admission for you?
So Ken B is claiming that Roy Moore time traveled into the future, had his assistant sign the yearbook with a stamp, then travelled back? Is that how the D.A. got in there?
Don’t go Inga-stupid Tim. I refuted false claims. I expressed no opinion on anything else.
You used to seem a sensible guy, but now it seems that you don’t even recognize that basic honesty requires checking your facts. As I said, Inga-stupid.
Calm down Tim, you sound like you’re ready to lose it.
Oh thanks a lot KenB! I’ll just let you and Timmy duke it out and chuckle from the sidelines.
This is DEFENDING Bill Clinton? What the hell is wrong with you?
LOL. Sure it isn't. Remember that the accusation against him was forcible rape after getting one of his supporters alone in a hotel room when she wanted to meet in the lobby. You clearly just think that the guy is some kind of regrettable cad. Try harder. Think about what it is that you are saying.
I think that the lawyer who got Ted Kennedy off of a manslaughter charge, and got him charged with "leaving the scene of an accident" did a pretty good job of defending him. But you might say he didn't, because Kennedy was found guilty of something. Sure, plead down from forcible rape to cad and call it not defending him.
Explain the "D.A." Ken B.
Give up Inga. You had a bad week. Continuing this is just sad.
"Now she's just phoning it in. I don't blame her. She got dealt some piss poor troll cards today."
Imagine trying to sum up the energy every morning to hit the web, knowing that you're stuck with posting lies, and knowing that everybody knows you know that you're posting lies.
“You clearly just think that the guy is some kind of regrettable cad. Try harder. Think about what it is that you are saying.”
You have absolutely no idea what I think about Bill Clinton. You’ve been saying for days now that I “defended”him. I wondered what the hell you were talking about. The quotes you presented were not a defense in the least and to misconstrue them in that way is evidence that you are desperate to discredit anything I have to say, so much so that you IMAGINE something I did not say at all. You need to fucking get a grip. Seriously Tim.
She's already admitted to forging the document, and you're still arguing about artifacts?
#TheStrawberriesThatsWhereIHadThem #GeometricLogic
@Sydney,
"To a more beautiful girl I could not say,
Merry Christmas Love, Ray."
Excellent sleuthing!
Some guy named "Ray" signed Dorothy's yearbook, and they altered "Ray" to be "Roy," then added "Moore, DA" and all that other jazz to nail Roy Moore for it.
Alabama Code Title 17. Elections § 17-4-9
Any voter who fails to vote for four years in his or her county shall have his or her name placed on an inactive voter list by the local board of registrars. Once on the inactive list, the voter shall reidentify with the local board of registrars in order to again have his or her name placed on the active voter registration list. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if a voter on the inactive list goes to his or her polling place to vote on an election day and identifies himself or herself to the election official responsible for the voter registration list update, such voter shall be permitted to vote provided the voter completes a voter reidentification form.
Duck duck go, ten. seconds. You are right though Ken B, I hadn't done the research before posting it. I apologize.
@Sydney,
"To a more beautiful girl I could not say,
Merry Christmas Love, Ray."
Excellent sleuthing!
I'm the guy that said it upthread. And a month ago.
“Give up Inga. You had a bad week. Continuing this is just sad.”
Is there a full moon over the Althouse comments section? On the contrary, I had a very good week here. You’re piling on is simply just that. It really is of no consequence, lol. You’re a boring commenter that I usually just ignore. Yawn.
Gloria Allred! What more do you need know about this than she is the one bringing these charges? We've seen the playbook at least half a dozen times. They seem to fade from sight shortly after the election every time. How is it she has not been disbarred? She is a truly shameful person.
The quotes you presented were not a defense in the least and to misconstrue them in that way is evidence that you are desperate to discredit anything I have to say,
This is your problem. Like Chuck, you are deaf to normal human modes of communication. This has been a lot of fun, really it has. Like a good board game. But it's time for me to get out of the house, and perhaps have a drink. Maybe there will be a hockey game on.
@Darrell,
Excellent sleuthing to you as well!
'm the guy that said it upthread. And a month ago.
I got mad when ARM stole my PePe LePew joke too. Except I made it about Trump.
“...you are deaf to normal human modes of communication.”
Um, no, not normal in the least. Your communication style isn’t even remotely normal.
I agree with Inga.
Shame on you for defending yourselves against lying, corrupt, Leftist Collectivists who wish to exercise power over you.
At last, you masses yearning to be free (of the Leftist jackboot) have you no decency?
The Get Trump Squad needed a better yearbook inscription:
To a more beautiful girl and I won't be coy,
Merry Christmas Love, Roy."
Something like that...
Something like that...
Don't need to be coy, Roy, just listen to me
Hop on the bus, Gus, don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the encryption key, Lee, and get yourself free…
So the only thing that the yearbook is now evidence of, is that Nelson will lie about the facts of this case.
Thread winner for @Jim at!
Another salient question would be -- When did you add these notes to the yearbook, Ms. Nelson? Was it near the time of the incident, or more recently? And, did you discuss with anyone about your decision to add these notes to the yearbook?
Don't mean to be coy, Roy.
Inga: "I had a very good week here."
And Hillary ran a very good campaign.
PackerBronco: "So the only thing that the yearbook is now evidence of, is that Nelson will lie about the facts of this case."
Nonsense!
Similar to Inga's and the lefts argument that no one "forged" anything, they just "wrote" stuff, Nelson would never "lie", she might only "say" things are later found to be false.
Totally different! Totally!
Just like Franken "resigned", but he didn't "resign resign".
I guess it depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
So...did this thing just suddenly disintegrate?
Inga had a good week like Mahmoud Abbas had a good week.
Blogger Jason said...
She's already admitted to forging the document, and you're still arguing about artifacts?
She didn't forge the document, she just augmented it and then forgot to tell us.
Why should I explain the D A Tim?
It is irrelevant to the question whether she voted isn’t it? Or do you disagree?
It is in the same ink as the Moore isn’t it? Or do you disagree?
It's simple enough. I am not asserting the signature is real. I am not asserting it is fake. I am not asserting the question is unimportant. I am asserting that the claim there are two colors of ink is false, and that the claim she lied about voting is unevidenced.
This guy sounds a lot more reasonable than you folks.
“UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Allow me to quote myself from November 30:
As to the claim that the yearbook was “doctored”: there is handwriting under Moore’s signature denoting the place and time of the signature, which appears (to me, at least) to be different handwriting. Whether that means it has been “doctored” is a matter of interpretation, and depends largely on whether Nelson has actively claimed that all the handwriting was Moore’s, including the inscription about the location and date. (I don’t think she has, but I am open to correction by someone armed with proof.)
Emphasis added. I would add that even if Nelson did not explicitly claim this, it showed a lack of forthrightness on her part and on the part of Allred not to say this up front.
This leaves the issue of the ink. I have seen photos from the press conference that make it look like Moore’s last name and the date and location are in bluish ink while the rest is in black. Other photos seem to show all the writing in black. If the former is accurate then it is possible the last name was added as well as the date and location — and that (if true) could be properly called a forgery. But I am not clear on the ink issue.
Meanwhile John Nolte at Breitbart alleged an admission of a forgery, which was false — and Fox News made a similar claim that was since retracted. There is a lot of irresponsible commentary going around.”
http://patterico.com/2017/12/08/moore-accuser-says-she-made-notes-underneath-roy-moores-signature-in-her-yearbook/
In the comments at Patterico:
“It does undermine her credibility.”
“Not necessarily at all.
Autograph collectors can tell you that as a collectible ‘document’ – adding the notation by another hand may depreciate the value of the piece as a whole. But the personal notation of where/when it was signed as a point of reference for the owner does nothing to refute the validity of the signature and inscription itself- which can only be verifies by reviewing the actual specimen and not scanned/digitized imagery on the web. For instance, if memory serves, a way back in the day some of the original founding documents in the National Archives had notations added by unknown handwriting on the reverse as reference for archivists simply noting they were the original documents. Today that wouldn’t be done– but in the horse-and-buggy days of dusty libraries and stacks of old documents it would not be an issue at all.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 12/8/2017 @ 12:25 pm
Meanwhile John Nolte at Breitbart alleged an admission of a forgery, which was false
Meaning the Bitch didn't admit it. Yet. Not meaning that it is Moore's signature, signed by Moore.
There is too much nit-picking here.
This is a situation altogether much too complex for obsessing on details.
One needs to climb into low-earth orbit and get the big picture.
From there, looking at macro-scale data, Trump (and Moore!) looks like less a manipulator of details than a symptom of a phenomenon. He is also a totem, a talisman, a thing that prompts independent actions much more than he acts.
I think the best analogy is he is a lucky charm, a mascot, an image of Ganesh or a lucky Buddha or a Japanese Lucky Cat.
Moore too is less the man than the symbol, a bonny blue flag at the head of the column.
The phenomenon is complex, has many faces, requires enormous perspective to grok. Maybe from the orbit of Mars. Maybe one needs the help of Heinleins Martians, or Bradbury's Old Ones.
Allred is a very successful lawyer.
Charley Manson was a very successful community organizer.
Fame!
Inga: "This guy sounds a lot more reasonable than you folks"
Fifteen minutes ago that guy was a Nazi deplorable, and fifteen minutes from now he will be again.
Inga Memory Reset: ACTIVATE!
Wow!!
Inga is now quoting comments from other blog sites!!
It doesn't get much more authoritative than that, I can tell you!
Inga's "good week" continues.....
I am asserting that the claim ... she lied about voting is unevidenced.
Alabama Code Title 17. Elections § 17-4-9
Any voter who fails to vote for four years in his or her county shall have his or her name placed on an inactive voter list by the local board of registrars. Once on the inactive list, the voter shall reidentify with the local board of registrars in order to again have his or her name placed on the active voter registration list. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if a voter on the inactive list goes to his or her polling place to vote on an election day and identifies himself or herself to the election official responsible for the voter registration list update, such voter shall be permitted to vote provided the voter completes a voter reidentification form.
Tim is presenting more evidence....
Inga Memory Reset: ACTIVATE!
What evidence?
I don't particularly like Moore, but I know he never did or will screw as many people as an additional Democrat vote in the Senate would. Screwing millions of Americans just to avoid electing someone who might have tried to screw one 40 years ago, is bad math. Pragmatism!
“Fifteen minutes ago that guy was a Nazi deplorable, and fifteen minutes from now he will be again.”
Really? Have I ever quoted him or linked to him before? Have I ever commented on him in any way? No. So why do you lie Drago?
If she did vote, and didn't get off of the inactive voters list by re-registering and voting, there was an irregularity, Ken B. Occam's razor says! Unlikely.
And there is no explanation for the "D.A." being part of a non-forged signature outside of time-travel, which, as any physicist will tell you, is impossible. Or maybe you can give me one!
I was for dumping Moore until today. This is bullshit.
“Tim is presenting more evidence....”
Tim’s evidence is little more than nutty assumptions. Sort of like yours.
Quoting Alabama law regarding elections is a "nutty assumption?"
Tim’s evidence is little more than nutty assumptions. - Inga
Nutty assumption:
Alabama Code Title 17. Elections § 17-4-9
Any voter who fails to vote for four years in his or her county shall have his or her name placed on an inactive voter list by the local board of registrars. Once on the inactive list, the voter shall reidentify with the local board of registrars in order to again have his or her name placed on the active voter registration list. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if a voter on the inactive list goes to his or her polling place to vote on an election day and identifies himself or herself to the election official responsible for the voter registration list update, such voter shall be permitted to vote provided the voter completes a voter reidentification form.
She claimed to have voted for Trump. She was on the "inactive voters" list. Seems a lot more like a deduction, or a strongly supported inference. It is not impossible that there was an irregularity, and she was allowed to vote without re-registering, or that her re-registration was lost. It just isn't all that likely.
Patterico's entire take is based on his incorrect assumption that the entire signature was not presented as being entirely written by Moore. It most certainly was. Inga helpfully illustrated this when she strenuously insisted that that was part of his signature at the time.
I'm sure someone will shortly correct Patterico on that point, at which point he'll have to concede that it's clearly a forgery by any definiton of "forgery" ever deployed prior to Dec. 8, 2017. I'm looking forward to that update, where Inga will most assuredly retract her opinion of him as "reasonable" and, as predicted, he'll suddenly be Literal Hitler again.
The problem with attacking symbols is that it just makes the people who take them as symbols angry. It is bad strategy. The enemy is the mass of the enemy, not their banners.
There are some idiots (and I say this kindly, we can always be idiots sometimes) at the NYT and the like, that are sort of realizing this, that their real problem isn't with Trump or Moore or whomever, but with the people who support Trump or Moore. They are becoming a little less stupid.
There was an article yesterday the gist of which was that the writer now hated Alabamans. That is indeed getting closer to the problem. What needs to follow is a bit of reflection as to WHY he hates Alabamans, a bit of self-knowledge. And, of course, the next step is to understand Alabamans.
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
Sun Tzu
They know neither their enemy nor themselves. Or at least the mass of anti-Trump people are of this sort. The chieftains on that side are another matter.
Layers of fact checkers.... Not one capable of critical thinking when it comes to partisan politics.
“....where Inga will most assuredly retract her opinion of him as "reasonable" and, as predicted, he'll suddenly be Literal Hitler again.”
Patterico always sounds reasonable, even when I don’t agree with him, unlike many of you Trumpists here. You should try to emulate him.
If she admits that the added text was done as a forgery of Judge Moore's handwriting with the intent to deceive, then she is admitting to be a professional liar. But she CRIES and CRIES like a baby in need of protection from a bad old man in 1978. That emotional message is the sole reason for the last minute press conference that proves she is a liar.
The Forger was someone else who did not know an imaginary Olde Hickory House from a real Old Hickory House. If she starts by exposing the fake Document/ Dossier's creator, then maybe she can be given a hearing.
Patterico, like Chuck, is a passionate NeverTrumper (unlike Chuck, Patterico has never claimed to have voted for trump). Therefore he is one of those GOPe types who was considered scum by the left up until November 8, 2016, when he suddenly became one of the only sensible Republicans on the planet, along with Jen Rubin and Bill Kristol and George Will. they will return to scum status the minute Trump leaves office, assuming they will keep up the pretense of being conservatives until then. But for now, they are the Republicans Dems love to quote!
What's weird to me is why media outlets misrepresented the meaning of the "inactive voters" list? To say it wasn't what it sounds exactly like, because that's exactly what it is.
There has been a guy that I am pretty sure I recognize from TV as a Washington Post writer at the Starbucks this week. On his laptop are two stickers, big stickers so you can't miss them "RESIST" and "Facts Matter." Can't have both Washington Post!
This business of accusations, false or ancient or irrelevant, and etc., are tactics.
But, so far, there is no real strategy it seems. Strategy would require winning the loyalty, or at least a degree of confidence, of the mass of the other side. One would think that a side with such mighty powers (and the balance of forces is certainly very unequal) would have some means to do this.
"Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
Sun Tzu
Alldred is a publicity whore. She should have told her client to find a good conservative Alabama lawyer. Even better - no lawyer.
No Sun Tzu for our gal pal Inga, buwaya, but you must admit that she is all boned up on her Go Rin No Sho:
The primary thing when you take a sword in your hands is your intention to cut the enemy, whatever the means. Whenever you parry, hit, spring, strike or touch the enemy's cutting sword, you must cut the enemy in the same movement. It is essential to attain this. If you think only of hitting, springing, striking or touching the enemy, you will not be able actually to cut him.
Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
Patterico, like Chuck, is a passionate NeverTrumper (unlike Chuck, Patterico has never claimed to have voted for trump).
Patrick was so vitriolic before the election, I quit going to his blog. I quit commenting here for a while for the same reason.
I went back for a few days after it seemed to cool off but he is still in a rage at Trump and a few of his commenters agree with him and are almost as vitriolic.
He has also accumulated a bunch of new lefty trolls that were never there before. I knew him personally and had followed his blog for years but he is beyond reason.
Inga, you can be a national hero for the Left. Write a note saying that Trump cut off your head, then cut off your head using one of those long breadknives. Only one out of two hundred million people are nutty enough to keep those nerves firing until they reach the last layer of skin. You are that person. Trump will be frogmarched to jail. And better still, it will all be a lie. Inga. Inga!
"Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings"
This was a big seller in the management self-help genre oh, thirty-forty years ago.
Blogger Inga said...
This guy sounds a lot more reasonable than you folks.
“UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Allow me to quote myself from November 30:
Inga, since you did not take my advice about calming down and enjoying life, Patterico would be a good place for you. Since he went NeverTrump he has picked up some new left wing commenters who make about as much sense as you do. Like you, they post hundreds of comments that have no links to facts and insult the few other neutrals or libertarians who remain,
Patrick is a deputy DA in LA and used to spend his time refuting LA Times stories that were silly and untrue. Now, he is Trump hate 24/7.
Did anybody else catch the video of the Minnesota Mayor who started crying when a common council member challenged the idea of white privilege at a meeting? it was on Tucker Carlsons show last night. the mayoress shook with indignation and sputtered with a quivering voice "Well, I never....how dare you....shame..." She shook her finger at that heretic (also female) and lectured and seethed and cried while the men present (middle aged and looking like the guy who sells My Pillows) sat there studying the table like they were listening to a report on last years wheat crop. The other woman couldn't get a word in edgewise.
Tucker interviewed the heretic Common Council member. he remarked on how quiet the men were during that tirade.
"Oh," said the woman. "She does that all the time."
if Inga were mayor.....
(Minnesota sure knows how to pick 'em.)
“Like you, they post hundreds of comments that have no links to facts and insult the few other neutrals or libertarians who remain,”
Excuse me? I post so many damn links that people here get mad at me. LOL! And what makes you think I’m not enjoying life? How presumptuous of you.
And Michael K,
You should’ve taken Patterico’s advice.
Inga: "I had a very good week here."
(other commenters) Inga had a bad week
Inga has indeed had a good week. Inga is an attention whore. Look how much negative attention she has received this week. Much of it by repeating same old discredited talking points. The value to Inga is not in the discussion. The value to Inga is having someone, anyone, pay attention to her. Lonely, sad Inga.
If this were an actual trial, and the prosecutor's lone witness was caught perjuring herself, would the judge declare a mistrial?
Pro-Choice (e.g. denying due process) is unconstitutional, and a religious belief and practice antithetical to modern understanding and sensibility.
the Minnesota Mayor who started crying when a common council member challenged the idea of white privilege
Discover your dignity. Positive progress.
Full Moon, still howling at the moon. LOL! What a loon, literally.
Of course if they had Moore's HANDWRITING then she could have faked the whole thing.... come to think of it, maybe she did have a sample.
I bet there in the asylum, guys like that are hard to come by.
Nice double entendre, tim! Even a triple entendre.
Inga, do you believe the CBS/Rather/Mapes documents were forgeries, or do you believe they were "real" and that W was AWOL?
Jeez Louise Tim. Now you have gone full Chuck. You cite ONE way to get on the Alabama inactive voter list.
But there is another way STARTING IN JANUARY 2017. If you don’t reply to a postcard you get put on the inactive list.
http://sos.alabama.gov/newsroom/inactive-voters-voter-record-refresh-information
Last I checked January 2017 was after the 2016 election.
And her registration on the web says inactive and gives the reason. Did not reply to mail.
Full Chuck.
I mean, even Inga rarely goes full Chuck.
I admire Inga. One against 50 and she holds her on and then some.
Does every Alabaman voter get a post card?
steve uhr:"I admire Inga. One against 50 and she holds her on and then some"
Lol
Yes, like the dems she continues to "forge" ahead
Answer to my question: yes!
But KenB may not have read his own link.
"Additionally, this process provides for the removal of voters that fail to respond to the mailer for that four year election cycle AND do not participate in any election during that same four year period."
Poorly written sentence? Maybe.
But that reads to me like removal requires
1) no post card response AND
2) no participation for four years.
No dog in the fight. Just trying to follow the conversation.
He signed a high school year book with D.A. after his name? He should have gone with Roy Moore, Esq.
If you assume the signature is in any part a product of Moore's hand, sure Char Char Binks.
It is also fun to assume no gravity.
:-)
the Minnesota Mayor who started crying when a common council member challenged the idea of white privilege.
I saw something akin to the following written by an Australian in Australia, whether on a blog or in a comment or a newspaper I can’t recall. But if white privilege is a real thing, why is it that people try so hard to have themselves declared something else? Same applies here in the good old USA.
If I could find any black or Hispanic or Native American in my ancestry, with their grades, all of my kids would have received a free ride to college to increase diversity. Alas, they’re all white Christians, and are therefore not diverse. Their ancestry includes Bavarian, Dutch, Italian, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Bohemian, English, Cornish, and French. But nothing that makes them diverse…
As a kid I found it hard to watch "I Love Lucy" because some of situations Lucy got into were so embarrassing. I couldn't deal with the emotional aspect of that level of embarrassment.
Inga surpassed "I Love Lucy" today.
Ken B,I can't get your link to work. Their server might be down. IDK. But it would have been well for you to cut and paste the rule so we could all look at it. BIrkel. is not an idiot. I am going to take his word on it.
I just find it very hard to believe that Alabama is forcing every single voter to re-register. I have a feeling that we would have heard a lot of screaming and shouting about that. Feel free to paste the text here if you can reach that server.
Inga surpassed "I Love Lucy" today.
Inga is rivaling Hillary's book tour.
The primary thing when you take a sword in your hands is your intention to cut the enemy, whatever the means. Whenever you parry, hit, spring, strike or touch the enemy's cutting sword, you must cut the enemy in the same movement. It is essential to attain this. If you think only of hitting, springing, striking or touching the enemy, you will not be able actually to cut him.
Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings
BL, I'm trying hard to visualize exactly what he means. Is there a video or diagram illustrating it?
Wish facts and wholesale lies mean everything to the hive-mind left. Fox News!
Sun Tzu also said: “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
It is clear that the left knows neither their enemy nor themselves.
Tommy Duncan only shows up in a thread to comment on me. How strange he never has anything to add to the discussion. I’d be embarrased to be so obsessed with a stranger on an internet site.
According to the Alabama Secretary of State's office, earlier this year the state sent non-forwardable postcards to Alabama voters. If those postcards were returned as undeliverable, the state then sent a forwardable postcard to those voters asking them to update their voter registration.
So the other way to get on that list is to have moved, and not returned the postcard. I don't know if she moved or not.
In any event, none of this matters. The "D.A." on the "signature" is impossible to explain except by forgery or time-travel.
If you have some explanation for the "D.A." I would love to hear it.
tim in vermont said...If you have some explanation for the "D.A." I would love to hear it.
I know that's rhetorical, but Gospace gave the answer at 4:09. The assistant's name was Deborah Adams. the only part that makes sense is someone seeing a Moore signature with D.A. and replicating that part. Maybe that's part of the now-admitted forgery, but of course the rest must be genuine. What a farce.
RE: CNN's botched story. or - non story.
But please, do not call CNN a pack of corruptocrat hacks.
"CNN's correction. Their entire story revolved around it being Sept 4. Without it, just an email from a supporter wanting to make sure they read @DailyCaller about the latest email leaks."
and
Ferfas, the lawyer for Trump Jr., said that the real estate executive received “tons of unsolicited emails” during the campaign.
“The email was never read or responded to — and the House Intelligence Committee knows this,” he said in a statement. "
So some spam e-mail comes into Don Jr's inbox,, pointing to a wikileaks story already made public - CNN changes the date to make it look like Don Jr. had some sort of secret connection to wikileaks. LOL. the hive mind left beeleeves it! but it's Fox News that's the problem.
LOL - left-o-Maoists lie and they love being lied to.
CNN does not botch - they deceive.
Liars
OK. I am going to say that I don't know whether she voted for Trump or not. Howard Kurtz says she claimed she did in the Washington Post. Maybe he was confused. For her to get on the inactive list, she either didn't vote, and thus correct her address if it had changed. Or she changed her address in the couple of months right after the election, or she went and voted in her old place using her old ID, from her new address.
None of it matters. I apologize for spending so much time on it.
The "D.A." kills her credibility in any case. There is no "non-forgery" explanation for it.
Musashi stresses intention.
Or the creation of an unconscious intention.
Zen.
In this case, in fighting with swords, to cut, as an overriding intention, regardless of the conscious action.
BTW, see Inga? One can admit when one is wrong.
The moore accusers all sound like asshole liar democrats.
who voted for HIllary.
Poor Inga. It's kind of sad to see someone make such a fool of themselves and only a couple fo weeks before Christmas. Tell abut your grandchildren, Inga. Nobody is interested in your Trump fantasies.
I love watching Inga's world burn. Deny all she might, everything she has hoped for has fled her grasp leaving her with dust and ashes.
A wonder to behold.
This thread is missing something. I can't quite put my finger on it. Oh, but I must try! Let's see now . . . somehow, I feel there ought to be a comment by someone who has been a Republican his whole life, a comment that bringis this whole sordid topic back to the real issue: the awfulness of Donald Trump.
Falsum in uno, falsum in omnibus.
I'm coming to this a little late, but I think you're all missing something important, that you would know if you'd followed my advice to follow Thomas Wictor's Twitter feed (@ThomasWictor). He demonstrates with examples that all the ink is black, not blue, but that the ink does change between Roy (or more likely Ray) and Moore. Some blacks look blue in certain lights, and one of the color pictures shows the second half doing exactly that. He shows pictures of a WW1 German fighter pilot's plane (he writes military history books) that looks black and gray in some pictures, all black in others, and explains that it was in fact all black, but different parts were painted with different batches of black paint, one much cheaper than the other, at different times. And that's exactly what happened to the yearbook. It had an old black-ink inscription to someone named Roy or Ray - hard to tell which - and either the owner or Gloria Allred or some third person used what they thought was similar black ink to add everything from "Moore" on in a not-entirely-competent imitation of Roy Moore's actual signature. Unfortunately, the newer ink was either a different chemical formula, or just fresher, or both, and thus looks blue under certain lights, while the old inscription does not. The evidence is in fact damning that the two parts of the inscription were not done at the same time with the same ink, and that the change occurs between "Roy" or "Ray" and "Moore", which is even more damning.
Wictor has far more evidence as to why Moore (whom he disagrees with on most issues) is innocent of the charges made. Unfortunately for those wanting to get up to speed quickly, he's something of a hermit and tweets 100+ times a day. But he's far more worth reading than most Tweeters - or quite a few commenters here, for that matter.
buwaya said...
"Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings"
This was a big seller in the management self-help genre oh, thirty-forty years ago.
12/8/17, 6:25 PM
Damning with faint praise, BP? Sorry to be out of date. I found it insightful. More with an eye to knowing oneself (so then you can win at least half the battles).
mockturtle said...
BL, I'm trying hard to visualize exactly what he means. Is there a video or diagram illustrating it?
Buwaya has a good read but in our familiar Western framework I would use a couple of our own cliches:
*Follow-through. Commit.
-That is, don't give love taps, don't fan the air, act to have effect. Put your back into it. Act with intent and the totalized, synchronized potential of your body, mind and spirit. You're not swinging your sword to block the other guy's sword, you're swinging to kill that guy. Don't fool around.
*Focus. When you're up to your ass in alligators it's hard to remember that your original objective was to drain the swamp.
-That is, there may be all kinds of maneuvering, fancy footwork, katas, feints, bluffs, but don't sit there admiring yourself, and above all, don't let the opponent control your actions. Know what you came to do and do it. Do what is necessary to achieve your goal. Don't do what is unnecessary to achieve your goal.
Inga never posts about the football, the cafes, the shorts man saving the wild bunny, the Dec. 7 anniversary (BTW my building did not fly the Japanese flag Thursday, as they usually do because major Japanese concerns reside there and the Nips may actually own the building), or any casual human thing. She never posts except to defend her "friends" and, predominantly, to attack her foes. In the words of Jim Morrison:
She's the queen of cool
And she's the lady who waits
Since her mind left school
It never hesitates
She won't waste time
On elementary talk
[Chorus]
Cause she's a twentieth century fox...
You can't get her off the subject, let alone to agree to disagree, or to see the good points of someone she hates. If something turns 'not necessarily to her cause's advantage,' she clears out and looks for the next opportunity to cut. Little normal human interaction for her, she came to win. Whatever that means to her.
Inga, my dear, I hope you're not hurt or insulted; this is praise.
You have to admire the sheer audacity of CNN. Brian Ross just tried a fast one, but was caught by his own source. But CNN used the wrong date from emails anyone could find. That is chutzpah. It's like me saying on my resume “I just won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry” and hoping no one checks.
The stock market dropped a lot last Friday on Fake News that made it look more likely that Trump might be impeached. I'm told it dropped again today on the fake Don Jr news. I wonder if any of CNN liars or their friends made money on the drop.
Dr Weevil,
Brian Ross could have made more shorting the market than he lost getting suspended without pay.
Has any Democrat thought thru how a stock market drop would affect their post-impeachment fantasies? Not to mention the coup factor.
Moore claims he never even met this woman before.
Two weeks ago, he admitted he knew her when she was a teenager.
The guy is sick. Repressed. A monster.
Look, you don't alter evidence introduced into the court of public opinion like this. You don't get away with it in a court of law either. Witness dismissed. Moore h8ers need to rely on other witnesses. She muffed it. Case closed
I should add: tick-tock....
Two weeks ago, he admitted he knew her when she was a teenager.
Liar, Moore consistently said he never heard of the girl that said he babysat her at the courthouse and the one from Old Hickory House. He said he knew the two that he dated--17 and 18. They said it was holding hands and a kiss on the cheek. His intention was marriage and a lot of kids, if it was in the cards. Just like his Mom and her Mom before her. Lots of guys had similar thoughts, especially those who just returned from military service. And West Point before and law school after.
CNN. So this has to be real.
http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/05/the-throwback-sheriff-andy-taylors-many-women/
After watching trumps speech tonight -Moore will win. I don't normally call elections, but Moore will win. Thank Gloria Allred and Jones for that.
If Moore wins, what's the correct Nazi analogy? Gleichschaltung? Trump's election was supposed to be like the 1932 election. But wait a minute -- Hitler actually lost that election and had to be appointed a year later. It's so confusing keeping these Trump=Hitler analogies straight.
I'm still wondering who fronted Allred all the cash for the stunt. We'll prolly never know.
Memories? We are talking about FORTY YEAR OLD MEMORIES!
Which means that all that testimony about who remembers people IN A MENIAL JOB they held 40 years ago are still fresh? REALLY?
I was a bus boy when I was 16. I can remember a few faces from that era, the lay out of the place, what my bosses looked like (Cohen? Something?) Names and the faces of customers?
Hell no!
BUT, by the same token HER memories of what and when happened...not exactly green, are they?
A SMALL weight should be added to her because, you know...I think I'd remember being raped a bit better than I would random customers or even co-workers in a diner.
That being said...now we have confessed forgery. Um...
I am glad I don't live in Alabama. But neither side has exactly covered themselves with glory here.
"Didn't these people ever watch Colombo? He nailed people on shit like this all the time."
I used to watch that show! Didn't the killer usually turn out to be left handed? Lt. Columbo was very perceptive about that kind of thing, while he sanbagged by playing stupid, but had very clever ways of getting the perp to tip his hand, finally revealing his sinister crime.
Since you guys are really on top of this, can someone list all the smears against Moore that went on to be questioned or disproved? Big picture and all that. Appreciated!
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