Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 24, 2016
What's up with the "No games!" line? To me, it seems like something from an old personals ad — something trite and dumb. But I have seen it in the political context. Here — from the Wisconsin protests of 2011:
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...really is the party of Palin now.
hilarious.
Look at all of those authentic signs! I am sure there was no political money behind those grass roots protests.
...really is the party of Palin now.
I know man... What gives voters the right? Insolent hillbillies who can't learn their place!
party like it's 1773!
Trump seems to excel at using idioms in ways that are simultaneously evocative and baffling, like sticking a rocket launcher on a Lamborghini.
Other than golf, of course.
In Wisconsin it was those who were for "gaming" the system who marched with the "No Games" signs.
Didn't Scotland vote mostly to stay though?
Madison Man - Maybe not the people Trump was hanging out with.
Scotland voted to stay, so they will vote to leave the UK and join the EU. I doubt the UK will miss them all that much. Let the EU fund their nationwide dole in the future.
MadisonMan said...Didn't Scotland vote mostly to stay though?
Scotland voted to remain, but by a much smaller margin than expected. Now they are making noises about another secession referendum.
Wonderful news, that means Texit has a chance.
"We take note of the British people's decision with regret. There is no doubt that this is a blow to Europe and to the European unification process." - Frau Merkel
Well shit Germany, you tried poison gas and trench warfare, then you tried the blitz, then subterfuge and noise about "post democratic" Europe. This "European unification process" has certainly hit a lot of speed bumps. What next? Revive the corpse of William the Conqueror?
I think part of the games Trump is talking about is the Uniparty playing both sides against the middle to keep the gravy train running for the elites.
The Conservative (sic) Prime Minister hired Obama adviser Jim Messina for his campaign and then again for the referendum.
Obama goes to England and threatens them with trade war if they vote for exit. Of course that threat backfired terribly on Obama. Then Trump comes along and says he'll have England's back.
So yes there is room a *no games" candidate.
Trump has had an amazing week. If this keeps up I may even end up voting for him. The Libertarian candidates are awful. They're just Uniparty wannabes.
Trump makes a speech in SCOTLAND about how great it is that the UK voted to leave the EU. SCOTLAND voted to stay in the EU by a wide margin (60:40). SCOTLAND is so pissed-off that it wants a second referendum for independence.
Trump is dumb.
This is all fallout from Hillary's military misadventures in Syria and Libya, BTW. which created the flood of refugees that Merkel then invited into Europe. But sure, let's bash the party of hillbillies!
Trump is dumb
He might be, but you sure haven't proven it.
How many wars can Hillary support, instigate, or inflame before you stop supporting her Unknown? How many refugees need to drown escaping her ham-fisted adventurism before you stop supporting her?
tim in vermont said...Scotland voted to stay, so they will vote to leave the UK and join the EU. I doubt the UK will miss them all that much. Let the EU fund their nationwide dole in the future.
Perhaps they can rebuild Hadrian's Wall to stop the inevitable refugee flow southwards from Glasgow.
"This is all fallout from Hillary's military misadventures in Syria and Libya,"
Yeah, I think so.
Didn't Scotland vote mostly to stay though?
Yeah. SNP's Alex Salmond is trying to gin up another Scottish independence vote. That's really bright. The whole EU is tottering and those silly Scottish Nationalists are angling to join it in its decline. Ride that dead horse! Ye-wah!
This is par for the course, really. For a country that likes to be known for breeding "canny Scotsmen" Scotland has been exceedingly dumb these last few centuries. The Union with England, the thing Salmond dreams of undoing, was caused by the biggest act of financial idiocy in history. At the turn of the 18th century just about every Scot with actual money in his sporran invested in a lunatic plan called the Darien Plantation. Scotland was going to capture a monopoly of the world's trade by colonizing the Isthmus of Panama. On paper the idea looked good to anyone unfamiliar with geography. An easy route to the riches of China and a sun-drenched vacation spot to boot, what's not to love? If the Scots were as canny as the propaganda claimed it was they'd have realized that Spain controlled Panama, and had since Balboa claimed it in 1513. Maybe 200 years wasn't enough time to spread the world to Glasgow. If there was any possibility of the Darien scheme working, then Spain could be expected to furiously resist the intrusion of kilted redheads. As it was they didn't bother. The Darien colonists died like rats from yellow fear and starvation. Everybody lost his money, and Scotland had to come cap in hand to England for an Obama-style bailout.
Take it from one of them, the Scots are jerks. England would be well rid of them, but their romantic notions of redeeming the heathen will keep the UK together.
...really is the party of Palin now.
hilarious.
Almost as funny as a bunch of fogies pitching a temper tantrum in Congress, demanding a vote of bills that do not exist.
Scotland voted to stay, so they will vote to leave the UK and join the EU. I doubt the UK will miss them all that much.
Hell, if they wish to, Tories can actually become conservative now, since Scotland was a major source of Labour power and is now home to SNP.
SCOTLAND is so pissed-off that it wants a second referendum for independence.
Hope the door doesn't hit their ass on the way out.
"Trump makes a speech in SCOTLAND about how great it is that the UK voted to leave the EU...Trump is dumb."
Trump was there for the opening of his new golf course. You know, making money and creating jobs the honest, American way instead of peddling influence, corruption, and bribery like someone else you might have heard about.
Jeez, "ye-wah?" What the heck's that, a Mandarine curse?
Ye-haw is what I meant to type.
No one can blame oppressed Muslims for escaping any way the can from the Iron Misery of Mohammed's Cult. But they cannot bring it in with them.
They need to convert to Christianity first. That means no more slaughtering Christians for fun and profit.
So simple. Then they will be welcome.
This is all fallout from Hillary's military misadventures in Syria and Libya
The last straw but not all. UK has not been flooded with the ME or NA refugees that other countries have. The explosion of immigrants has been from Pakistan and Eastern Europe. But they have eyes and can see what's coming.
Future immigration was one concern. The past, present and future bailouts of southern Europe was another. The overbearing Brussels beurocracy was another.
The threat the their socialized medicine system was huge.
And one I heard while working in Malta. Almost every Brit in Malta was pro-remain. But they almost all agreed that if Brexit caused Scotland to leave then it was worth it!
No mas, no mas!
Scotland cannot support its lifestyle and its oil now has a fraction of its former worth. The EU might not have an interest in bringing on board another welfare state. Should it leave, however, England would not have a labour government for a thousand years. That could be a win.
Unknown at 11:11:
I won't be so rude as to call you "dumb," but you're the one who doesn't get it. First of all, Trump was not speaking to Scotland, he was speaking to the US and European media in Scotland on his own property. Second, and most important, is that Trump says what he thinks and believes, not just whatever his audience wants to hear.
"...really is the party of Palin now.
I know man... What gives voters the right? Insolent hillbillies who can't learn their place!"
Exactly ! Who do those hillbillies think they are ?
Way to win elections big guy.
"FREE GAMES for ALL"
- Vote Bernie
"Should it leave, however, England would not have a labour government for a thousand years. That could be a win."
Yes. It is just amazing what has happened since The Scottish Enlightenment.
Just amazing,
No representative from the UK Government or the Scottish Assembly agreed beforehand to meet with Trump, the Republican nominee for the US President. In fact, the First Minister for Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon, has refused to meet with Trump.
No one gives a crap about Trump in the UK or Europe.
Whatever you do Unknown, don't explain why we should want the war mongering, blue collar jobs killing, negligent, Hillary!
No games and no bs is common on Grindr guys profiles-fyi
oh and get to the point.
There is a drop down bar where you can choose: friends; LTR or Right Now.
I am right now.
Have a super day!
tits.
Unknown at 11:49:
Glad I didn't call you "dumb" because I think you are just dishonest. Trump did not seek any meetings with any members of government there, it was a business trip. And if it's true (which I doubt) that no one gives a "crap" about him over there, then let's check again in November, shall we?
Trump is dumber than a box of rocks, yes indeed. Scotland wanted to Remain. Maybe he didn't know that. Maybe he thinks he can convince the Scottish people with his powers of persuasion. See the stock market? Yes, it's a good thing says Drumpf.
No representative from the UK Government or the Scottish Assembly agreed beforehand to meet with Trump, the Republican nominee for the US President. In fact, the First Minister for Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon, has refused to meet with Trump. - Uknown
Heaven forfend! A socialist refuse to meet with Trump! On the other hand, Hillary just hides whom she met with from the prying eyes of the voters! Let's bring back Nixonion values!
WASHINGTON- An Associated Press review of the official calendar Hillary Clinton kept as secretary of state identified at least 75 meetings with longtime political donors, loyalists, Clinton Foundation contributors and corporate and other outside interests that were not recorded or were listed without the names of those she met. The missing entries raise new questions about how Clinton and her inner circle handled government records documenting her State Department tenure - in this case, why the official chronology of her four-year term does not closely mirror other more detailed records of her daily meetings.
It's a truism that makes people a lot of money to buy on the panic and sell on the reality, Unknown, but feel free to panic all you want.
"Scotland lags Europe in IQ league"
The smart ones tend to leave.
"...something trite and dumb."
Twitter is as twitter does.
Ah yes, the blue fist of love and tolerance coupled with the facial expression of inclusion.
Games are ludicrous.
A forelude to disaster.
Marine Le Pen is tweeting - the Union Jack.
I knew this was coming.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MLP_officiel
"We take note of the British people's decision with regret. There is no doubt that this is a blow to Europe and to the European unification process." - Frau Merkel
Followed by a rousing chorus of Bomben Auf England. Huns, they're either at your throat or at your feet.
He does realize that Scotland overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU? Does he realize that Scotland will now,probably, have another vote to declare their independence from Great Britain?
Jerk. I don't like Hillary but this guy gives me the creeps.
Vicki From Pasadena
Unknown said...
No one gives a crap about Trump in the UK or Europe.
Why should Americans give a crap about whether Europeans give a crap about Trump?
Urban dictionary:
no games - not kidding, no jokes, your not messing around
"Does he realize that Scotland will now,probably, have another vote to declare their independence from Great Britain? "
Is this a bad thing?
Victoria
And you believe an independent Scotland will be welcomed by the European Union? Another welfare state to hang on the German tit? A damp and soggy Greece? I think not. And the Scots, so loving of their heritage, would cede it to Brussels?
But should Scotland depart the UK will never have another labour government.
Who doesn't understand that there is power in numbers? Stupid people.
Of course what is missing in these discussions is the horror of direct democracy. Now we have Londoners angling to leave the UK and remain a part of the EU because thats what they want! Ditto Scotland! Would be funny were it not sad that we have come to expect what we want.
"Scotland voted to stay, so they will vote to leave the UK and join the EU." Just what the French and German people need, another Greece to support. Oh well, maybe Merkel can ship millions of Muslim refugees to Edinburgh. Probably ignite a second Scottish Enlightenment, shake the Scottish economy out of its doldrums. Heads will roll.
Isn't Trump half-Scottish? That, plus his business interests in Scotland, should give him some authority to speak on Scottish, British and European issues.
It's silly how some Americans are trying to "correct" Trump by saying Scotland voted Remain, so therefore he's a doofus. Yes, it is true that most Scots voted Remain, but a significant minority (38%) voted Leave. I wonder if any of those Leave voters have come out to see Trump and expressed their happiness from yesterday's vote.
Michael said...
But should Scotland depart the UK will never have another labour government.
Thereby revealing a complete absence of understanding about how politics actually works. Political parties have to compete for different constituencies with conflicting priorities. Without the Scots, Labour will be more effective in competing for other constituencies in England. England only voted 53 to 47 for Brexit. If the Brexit goes badly, with large economic and prestige losses, Labour will easily win elections in the future. They will have 47% of the vote locked up, leaving them with only a small slice of disillusioned pro-Brexiteers to win in order to win government.
Michael said...Of course what is missing in these discussions is the horror of direct democracy. Now we have Londoners angling to leave the UK and remain a part of the EU because thats what they want! Ditto Scotland! Would be funny were it not sad that we have come to expect what we want.
Representative democracy will work again when the elected government represents the people. This what Trump gets and what Hillary avoids.
Victoria: You may not know it, but the fact that you think a politician should say what he believes his audience wants to hear makes you a kindred spirit with Hillary.
True re Labor and its potential ARM. But that can be longer-term.
The key here is that Labor will have to adjust the ideological space its occupies to capture more of the center, or such cultural slices they can recover after having dumped them so brusquely. This can take time. In the meanwhile you can end up with them locked out entirely, as with California Republicans or the Polish liberals.
Unknown said...
Who doesn't understand that there is power in numbers? Stupid people.
Why would you want your opponents to have more power?
I miss that old blue fist. I used to think of it and smile every time I voted against a Wisconsin leftist.
"Does he realize that Scotland will now,probably, have another vote to declare their independence from Great Britain? "
Do you think that is a threat to Britain? Or to Germany.
I'm with Michael on this. Scotland provided a lot of votes for Labour.
ARM has forgotten the last time Labour was hard left. Remember "the longest suicide note in history ?"
Tony Blair saved them but he is gone and Corbyn is back to the days of Tony Benn.
Scotland recently held an election to separate from the United Kingdom but that was voted down. The Scots have been a part of the UK for centuries and have been associated with the European Union economic organization for only 43 years. So the the liberals are trying to make a case that "losing" the Brexit election will cause these Great Britain island neighbors to eventually put up border fences. That will not happen.
The Ulster government, on the other hand, may elect to have Northern Ireland stay in the EU with the shaky Irish Republic but that would be a natural reassembly of the occupants of Eire.
"England swings like a pendulum do" is apt even if Roger Miller murders the King's English. Good decision, wot!
In fact, the First Minister for Scotland - Nicola Sturgeon, has refused to meet with Trump.
Nobody gives a shit about what the leader of the SNP thinks about anything. Scotland had to beg Britain to bail them out because they are incapable of managing anything.
Trump wouldn't have wanted to meet the brutally unpleasant Sturgeon.
See the stock market? Yes, it's a good thing says Drumpf.
A one-day sell off and you're ready to jump off buildings.
I also find it amusing that the same folks who whined about Obama having anybody use his middle name in discussing him thinks it's the height of wit to refer to "Drumpf"
When European countries see each other as opponents then they are in some deep shit. There is a common foe, hint, it isn't other European countries.
Unknown said...
When European countries see each other as opponents then they are in some deep shit. There is a common foe, hint, it isn't other European countries.
European elites use their power against European citizens, it has nothing to do with nations. I don't know who you think the EU's common foe is but they don't agree.
I hear that Brits today are busy using the search term "What is the EU?". Ironic, they voted against something they didn't even understand. Sounds like Trump voters.
https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/746305811870261248
During Q&A in Scotland, Trumps tells well-known UK journalist he is "a nasty, nasty guy."
Welcome to Trump World. No matter where he goes, whichever country he visits, he will shoot-off his big ugly mouth. Trump is the perfect American ambassador for the Trumpsters. Trump will make so many friends in the world, he will just win win win. Yeah, dream on.
Glad I didn't call you "dumb" because I think you are just dishonest.
Could be both.
I doubt that most American voters are paying much attention to Brexit. Of the ones that give it any thought, most of those will only notice that Trump was there and that he had voiced support for the winning side. Backing winners is good and would be a nice change from what we're used to.
"I hear that Brits today are busy using the search term "What is the EU?". Ironic, they voted against something they didn't even understand."
Ironic, they were forced to participate in something they didn't understand.
Leftist democracy, apparently.
Unknown said...Trumps tells well-known UK journalist he is "a nasty, nasty guy."
Oh no, he insulted a journalist?! How will our national pride survive such a blow?
@chickelit said...
Representative democracy will work again when the elected government represents the people. This what Trump gets and what Hillary avoids.
I googled "Trump, representative democracy" but got no hits that show that Trump "gets" the concept. I am not sure that he knows what the term is since he never says "representative democracy." But his actions speak louder than words and he has shown himself to be a demagogue who prefers to run over his immediate opposition.
“That's the way the ruling class operates in any society. They keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other… Anything different—that's what they're gonna talk about—race, religion, ethnic and national background, jobs, income, education, social status, sexuality, anything they can do to keep us fighting with each other, so that they can keep going to the bank!” ~ George Carlin
Do those people carrying the WI solidarity signs know how the rest of the public (aka non-government, non-union employees) views them? They want more of my money. They want to be held less accountable to the people that pay them (me), and they want me to pay for cushy benefits that I don't get myself. At 2% interest, you would have to have a MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS in the bank to collect measly $20k/year pension w/o going into principle.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703408604576164290717724956
“That's the way the ruling class operates in any society. They keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other… Anything different—that's what they're gonna talk about—race, religion, ethnic and national background, jobs, income, education, social status, sexuality, anything they can do to keep us fighting with each other, so that they can keep going to the bank!” ~ George Carlin
Carlin may think that he is in the lower, but he was in the middle bourgeois.
Theory and Practice of Oligarchial Collectivism
Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other.
The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim -- for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives -- is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims.
So far, only the United States, with its unique history and culture, has been able to avoid the gyroscope's return to equilibrium.
"I googled "Trump, representative democracy" but got no hits that show that Trump "gets" the concept. I am not sure that he knows what the term is since he never says "representative democracy." But his actions speak louder than words and he has shown himself to be a demagogue who prefers to run over his immediate opposition."
That is some bizarre reasoning, even by liberal standards.
Trending across the UK. #What have we done?
Too funny.
"I hear that Brits today are busy using the search term "What is the EU?". Ironic, they voted against something they didn't even understand. "
Yes, I'm sure all of the people who voted to stay understood. Just like people in the US who voted for Obama.
What will we do if we can't have cheap haggis?
Unknown, could you kindly post a link to your employer? I too would like to earn thousands a week working from the privacy of my home posting pro-HIllary propaganda anonymously.
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Unknown, could you kindly post a link to your employer? I too would like to earn thousands a week working from the privacy of my home posting pro-HIllary propaganda anonymously.
Would you prefer to be payed in rubles, renmimbi, or Clinton Global Initiative gold points?
Whatever currency Soros is using is good enough for me.
Terry said...
So far, only the United States, with its unique history and culture, has been able to avoid the gyroscope's return to equilibrium.
The Great Depression achieved much the same goal. From extreme wealth inequality in the 1920's to relative equality in the 1950's.
"From extreme wealth inequality in the 1920's to relative equality in the 1950's."
There is an interesting idea about, in that actual capital, the means of production as a function of power, doesn't change that much, just its market value. So the relatively low value of capital - equity, property - in the 1950's did not mean as much as one would think; the owners of General Motors and the Chrysler building still owned General Motors and the Chrysler building. The price tags on each changed.
This gets at the idea of what money is, and why it isn't quite what we assume. Also that modern incomes aren't quite comparable across periods, nor are incomes perfectly well measured by comparisons of affordable goods and services. It may have been easier to accumulate capital in the 1950's perhaps.
ARM wrote:
"The Great Depression achieved much the same goal. From extreme wealth inequality in the 1920's to relative equality in the 1950's."
There was also a world war in the mix. Plus a huge manpower shift from ag to industry. Small farmers are stuck trying to make a living selling a commodity. Economy of scale is the only good way to make money in ag, which small farmers, by definition, cannot do. If they moved from small farmer to union worker, they were no longer stuck selling a commodity good, and instead became part of a syndicate.
that was a quote from goldstein, aka trotsky in 1984 wasn't it,
The quote is supposed to be from Goldstein's 'book within a book' in Nineteen Eighty-Four.
Britain in the EU was an experiment gone bad. The English aren't Europeans. They'll be much better off making their own decisions.
Now if they can just get rid of the Scots, they'll be sitting Pretty.
An independent Scotland would be free to ally itself with the wily French . . .
"From extreme wealth inequality in the 1920's to relative equality in the 1950's."
People ignore that in the 1950's (and before) it was much harder to create new wealth. The high taxes were one factor. But even more important was the lack of access to capital for persons other than the already affluent. The financial innovation of the last half century, while sometimes unstable, has also been disruptive in a very positive way. The vast array of new businesses, many created by recent immigrants or persons of modest means, is a product of the ability of persons with an idea and drive to raise equity (and therefore access borrowing) in ways that simply did not exist in the 1950's. This has been largely due to private innovation in finance. Unfortunately in recent years (since 2008) this ability to raise capital and borrow has been diminished by regulation of banks and made more expensive by regulation of general business. Once again, as before the financial innovation boom, those in the middle and at the bottom are hurt most.
The 1950's was a kind of equality where everyone but the already rich had limited opportunity. Wages were more uniform and compensation at the top was limited by a confiscatory tax rate. Perhaps there was less "inequality" (there is room for debate) as a consequence but overall the society and individuals were no as well off financially.
David wrote:
"Perhaps there was less "inequality" (there is room for debate) as a consequence but overall the society and individuals were no as well off financially."
People were much poorer in those days. Families were larger. Houses were smaller. Two cars per family would have been a luxury.
It is an apples and oranges comparison. Not as many people went to college after high school, because student loans weren't available. Although tuition was much lower in the 1950s, more people had a path to a career that did not require college, so the opportunity cost of college was higher.
I really do not believe that most people really want to make the sacrifices required to be rich -- as in 'Thurston and Lovey' rich. I think most people would be happy with slow but steady raises, secure employment, health insurance that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, a house large enough to be comfortable for their family, and perhaps a modest lake or vacation home to use on weekends during the summer.
My step father, a plumber with no family wealth, had accummulated all of this by the mid 1970s, when he was in early middle age. It wasn't unusual back then. I think that it is rarer now.
Argument for a Trump and Palin ticket.
Of course Trump was unaware that Scotland voted to stay, not leave.
No games.
Of course Trump was unaware that Scotland voted to stay, not leave
That's what you guys are going with? That and the stock traders and big bankers are unhappy? You are going with the fact that Scotland, which will be socialist after they leave the UK, which they were forced to "join" by military means, don't like Trump? Alert the media!
I lived in England for a while Unknown. I suppose there are people there who don't know what the EU is, just as I suppose that there are Americans who don't know what Canada is, but the EU inserts itself into daily life there far more than Canada could dream of here, unless they somehow conquered us, I guess.
You just show your handle should be "Unknowning." You Indian name could be "Throws Shit Against the Wall Hoping Some Will Stick"
Obama: UK would be 'back of queue' for trade talks if it left EU
Obama lays down a "red line."
'I do think that yesterday's vote speaks to the ongoing changes and challenges that are raised by globalization,' Obama said in his opening remarks at Stanford University's annual Global Entrepreneurship Summit.
Obama had publicly aligned himself with Cameron in the fight to keep the EU intact, an unusual intervention in another country's politics at the invitation of its leader of the moment.
He attempted to calm choppy global waters on Friday afternoon brought on by Britain's spectacular decision to leave the EU by promising that the United Kingdom's relationship with the United States would remain the same. - Daily Mail (Unknown, that's a newspaper in the UK, what you probably call England, for sale on streets everywhere.)
Obama walks it back.
Does he realize that Scotland will now,probably, have another vote to declare their independence from Great Britain?
Does Vicky from Pasadena have the merest clue about Scottish politics?
As a semi-proud Scot descendant (Ayreshire region), all the smart folks have left really, they came here or to other Commonwealth nations. One can't really drain a sink and complain about what remains in the strainer.
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