It’s the quiet chatter among operatives in New York, Washington and beyond—if Clinton’s got so much trouble connecting with people that she’s stuck in a long primary slog against an upstart socialist senator from Vermont with a beyond-parody Brooklyn Jewish accent, that’s because at least some of those voters are more driven by being anti-Hillary than pro-Bernie....
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"Top Democrats aren’t worried about Bernie Sanders beating Hillary Clinton in the primaries."
"They’re worried about what the popular response to Sanders shows them about Clinton’s vulnerabilities in November," Edward-Isaac Dovere and Gabriel Debenedetti write in Politico.
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Really the disaster for the Democrats is that a ridiculous old "beyond-parody" crank can raise $75MILLION and run second.
What is a young telegenic Dem who doesnt smell of Ben-Gay going to think? There is about to be a stampede to the Commie quadrant in the next cycles.
Which will make Dems unelectable in most of the country.
They're not just realizing this now.
This is the whisper campaign of someone who'd like to swoop in and replace her.
And it would be a thundering roar but for an extreme burst of lucky coin flipping in Iowa.
Wait until she loses New Hampshire.
This isn't exactly new. Hillary!'s record of abject failure in every assignment should've rendered her unelectable. Somehow, the DemCong have been blackmailed into putting her forward as a candidate.
"Anyone who’s supporting Sanders because they oppose Clinton, said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), needs “to think back to why do they think that, because that’s the fingerprints of the Republican smear machine all over that.”
This guy is either a completely deluded idiot or the most brazen shill anyone could have. Yes, the Republican smear machine must be why leftists pick Sanders because they don't like her Wall Street ties! That's the ticket!
I'm starting to think Hillary could have lost the senate nomination in 2000 if she had been challenged. There are plenty of Brooklyn accented socialists in New York.
There is an assumption that the "black vote" is going to go all Vagina in the Dem primaries. Not sure why. Isn't the Old White Jew offering more goodies that the Vagina?
because at least some of those voters are more driven by being anti-Hillary than pro-Bernie....
Just remotely plausible.
They have good reason to worry about her--she's an awful candidate. Her speaking style varies between fake anger and monotone, with the idea that being "louder" makes one more interesting (note--it doesn't! It makes you sound weird). Her pandering is too blatant to be effective. Her political instincts are too nakedly obvious--it never convinces anyone when they can see your machinations. And her incompetence as a public servant is obvious for anyone looking back over two decades. Plus, it's clear she doesn't actually like retail campaigning, so we're stuck with crap like that "Chipotle tour" that was justly mocked by everyone.
If Hillary wins this year by default, it will only be because any Democrat would have won. The Dems are taking a big risk with her, because even a marginally competent GOP could knock her out of the race.
As for the Sanders voters, as I said they could transfer to Hillary, but it won't be because she inspired them--it'll be because she scared them. Whether she can scare enough of them effectively enough is up to the GOP.
with a media narrative that Clinton supporters blame for always being more interested in looking for Clinton alternatives than discussing Clinton successes
And what successes might those be?
Anyone who’s supporting Sanders because they oppose Clinton, said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), needs “to think back to why do they think that, because that’s the fingerprints of the Republican smear machine all over that.”
Warmed over Vast Right Wing Conspiracy(TM) rhetoric is just the tonic her campaign needs!
If she's the Democrat nominee, will Hillary even carry New York state in November? Or will her carpetbagging finally catch up with her?
Repulsive effects dominate this year's election. There is another neat chemical analogy.
What Sanders has done for the GOP is drag Hill to the Left of him. And that's not going to play well in the general. The longer this goes on, the more her new leftist positions will solidify in the minds of the public
I will say that the relentlessly negative stuff coming out of the Cruz campaign against Trump makes me tune out Cruz, and the relentlessly negative stuff coming out of Bush against Rubio makes me tune out Bush, so I guess I will try to be as nice and reasonable as possible when criticizing Hillary, not because she deserves it, but because the red hot nasty shit is counter productive, even as it is true. It's the dense pack strategy of scandals, have so many of them nobody can sort them out, and it is somewhat working for her.
"Warmed over Vast Right Wing Conspiracy(TM) rhetoric is just the tonic her campaign needs!"
I have to figure that must insult the hell out of the leftist Bernie fans--that their (reasonably, I think) concerns about Hillary selling out the left every chance she gets and having genuine ethical problems are just "being manipulated by the right wing". It's condescending as hell and isn't going to do much to bring them in the fold if she gets the nomination.
I've seen a lot of reports about how younger leftist women are backing Bernie because they think it's insulting to suggest they should back Hillary just because she's a woman. While I may not think much of their leftist impulses, it's good to see they aren't buying into the Clinton level of pander.
The Democratic Primary offers voters a choice between Cersei Lanister and the High Sparrow.
tim in vermont said...
Anyone who’s supporting Sanders because they oppose Clinton, said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), needs “to think back to why do they think that, because that’s the fingerprints of the Republican smear machine all over that.”
It's a smear to point out she has accomplished nothing? The closest thing she has to a "success" is invading a foreign country now infested by ISIS?
The party ideology has shifted closer to Bernie. Where have they been since 2008?
Hillary is as popular as JEB. Dynasty is so boring.
Big Mike said...
If she's the Democrat nominee, will Hillary even carry New York state in November?
Don't kid yourself. No matter how much Dems hate Hillary they hate Reps more.
There is an assumption that the "black vote" is going to go all Vagina in the Dem primaries. Not sure why. Isn't the Old White Jew offering more goodies that the Vagina?
Gotta hand it to Tank. In two sentences he manages to be misogynistic, racist and anti-Semitic, the perfect trifecta. Surprised he didn't go full tilt and say "the Vagina" would just continue the policies of the Kenyan Muslim usurper.
"so I guess I will try to be as nice and reasonable as possible when criticizing Hillary, not because she deserves it, but because the red hot nasty shit is counter productive, even as it is true."
That's the nub of it--if you go overboard it sounds like mindless noise, and drowns out the more real (and convincing) case against the person. Think about how the most histrionic parts of the anti-Iraq War movement (e.g., the Truthers, the Cindy Sheehan crap) drowned out the more convincing case (e.g., it would be a longer and more bloodier campaign than the administration was planning on).
Plus, there's just so much real stuff to go after Hillary with, one doesn't need to embellish.
I live in an overwhelmingly "blue" area, and, at least in my narrow little world, the Democrat supporters fall into two camps:
1) The cynics overwhelmingly favor Hillary, because they think she will be able to manipulate the levers of power in politically palatable ways.
2) The young, the innocent, the naifs, and their fellow travelers overwhelmingly support Bernie because they Believe.
Members of both camps would abandon their camps immediately if Elizabeth Warren were to announce her candidacy.
The Democratic Primary offers voters a choice between Cersei Lanister and the High Sparrow.
More like Walder Frey and the chick in the eyrie Littlefinger married.
"The party ideology has shifted closer to Bernie. Where have they been since 2008?"
At least half of the Democrats are closet socialists anyway("More government control? Whats not to like!"). The fact that a terrible candidate like Bernie is doing well gives them cover to come out of the closet.
The Dem party is about to have a generation of office holders out themselves as Socialists before they realize how limiting it is for national office.
I'm not exactly thrilled with the republican field, but the fact that the Democratic establishment party lined up behind Hillary Clinton in "coronation" style represents an extremely weak party. Not only did they just get crushed locally, but they are also weak nationally?
Insomuch as it's time for the republicans to re-focus efforts on building good executives who can work to rise through the ranks of public service, it's also time for democrats to figure out why they are so terrible at governing - particularly in the executive. Democrats have shockingly few states with democratic leadership that are in any way considered a "well-run" or "successful" state.
"It's a smear to point out she has accomplished nothing? The closest thing she has to a "success" is invading a foreign country now infested by ISIS?"
That's why it's so absurd. The Left has many reasons to oppose Hillary that have nothing to do with the Right--it's not the Right that points out that she and her husband sold out the Left every time it was convenient. It's not the Right that points out she cravenly backed the Iraq War when it was politically popular, and frankly every other military action we've been in since Vietnam. It's not the Right that argues her Libyan adventure was warmongering BS. It's not the Right that points out her Wall Street ties and opposition to gay marriage until yesterday (except to the extent it shows her hypocrisy, but they don't criticize on the substance).
And as for her ethical (and legal) problems, why shouldn't the Left be just as concerned with not having a corruptocrat in the White House? If that bothers leftists then good for them! It's shameful that any Democrat would excuse that sort of thing just because it's one of their team. Sheldon Whitehouse is a pathetic tool.
Obama took a wrecking ball to that party, whether the Dems, who now longer own the House, The Senate, The Governorships, or the State Houses will admit it. Something closer to his image (Bernie) is rising from the rubble.
The Party of Bill and Hillary has been destroyed as moderate Democrats were wiped out after being dragged too far left of their constituents.
I think the Daily Kos called it "winnerism" and the bill came due the first mid-term.
It's a sad state of affairs that this is the best the Democratic Party can do, just as in the last 6 presidential elections, it was a sad state of affairs that that was the best the Republican Party could do.
This year the Republicans have done better. Much better. And their primary is a grand mess anyway. So why try to do better?
"Surprised he didn't go full tilt and say "the Vagina" would just continue the policies of the Kenyan Muslim usurper."
No need for Tank to make that point. The vagina has previously said she would continue the polices of the Kenyan Muslim userper, so that's already been established.
The Party of Bill and Hillary has been destroyed as moderate Democrats were wiped out after being dragged too far left of their constituents.
It was never really the party of Bill and Hillary. Hillary was the excess baggage that was tolerated in devotion to Bill. Now that Bill is old and feeble, that tolerance is subsiding and the lack of enthusiasm for Hillary is being exposed. She still has enough establishment support to win the nomination but it will be a pyrrhic win for many Dems.
Freder Frederson said...
There is an assumption that the "black vote" is going to go all Vagina in the Dem primaries. Not sure why. Isn't the Old White Jew offering more goodies that the Vagina?
Gotta hand it to Tank. In two sentences he manages to be misogynistic, racist and anti-Semitic, the perfect trifecta. Surprised he didn't go full tilt and say "the Vagina" would just continue the policies of the Kenyan Muslim usurper.
LOL, thanks. As an Old White Jew myself, I am disgusted at the majority of my fellow Jews for their voting record and attraction, in particular, to Socialism and Socialism Lite. The damage we Jews have done to this country is ..... HUGE !
As a leftist yourself, maybe you can explain why the "black vote" should go to the Vagina, rather than Old Larry. Isn't he offering "more" and more likely to be willing to try to deliver?
"The Party of Bill and Hillary has been destroyed as moderate Democrats were wiped out after being dragged too far left of their constituents."
I think there is still a moderate faction among Democrats, by which I mean the sort of suburban voters who haven't gone full Occupy but want Medicare and SS to remain solvent and are okay with (slightly) higher taxes, don't want all guns banned but are okay with more restrictions, and are turned off by the GOP on gays and abortion and religion. These were the people who voted for Bill, and have often voted Democratic by default since then, but are about as thrilled with their party now as Republican moderates are with their own. The challenge for both nominees will be pulling them in and getting them to vote, while keeping their bases energized. At that point the question comes down to the quality of the candidate.
"As a leftist yourself, maybe you can explain why the "black vote" should go to the Vagina, rather than Old Larry. Isn't he offering "more" and more likely to be willing to try to deliver?"
I am unable to figure out why the black vote has been in the hands of the Clintons for this long. Hell, Clinton in '08 had a majority of the black vote against Obama until around Iowa. I remember that "first black president" crap but that was such nonsense I can't imagine that's the reason.
Not that blacks should be flocking towards Sanders, but what is Hillary doing for them that he isn't?
"They’re worried about what the popular response to Sanders shows them about Clinton’s vulnerabilities..."
My eyes. They burn!
Not a word about the security and intelligence disaster she created with her "private server" which seems to have been an attempt to hide all conversation from FOIA but which gave our enemies the names of our CIA agents and their case handlers.
The Pakistani doctor who gave us bin Laden is still in jail as far as I can tell.
We don't know how many are dead.
"Her political instincts are too nakedly obvious-"
At a NH Townhall event yesterday she was asked by the moderator if when she was raking in the speaking fees she didn't think it would look bad when it came time to run for President. Her reply was that at the time she wasn't planning to run. Yeah, right.
Michael K, remember those days of outrage over the "outing" of Valerie Plame?
Good times, good times...
Michael K said...
Not a word about the security and intelligence disaster she created with her "private server" which seems to have been an attempt to hide all conversation from FOIA but which gave our enemies the names of our CIA agents and their case handlers.
Hillary set this up because she believes domestic political opponents are her enemies, not Iran and ISIS. Dems don't care about the email issue because they agree with her.
How many years and how many dollars will it take to determine the damage Hillary has done to our intelligence services?
@Brando,
Not that blacks should be flocking towards Sanders, but what is Hillary doing for them that he isn't?
I think "a sense of personal connection" matters a great deal for the black community when they support a candidate, much more so than it does for white liberals, who are much more ideologically driven in who they support.
Blacks are, in essence, Southerners. Southerners are always distrustful of Northeasterners, especially New Englanders. They see them as unfriendly, charmless & arrogant. The fact that they're often ethnics with "funny names" & strange religions (e.g. Bernie -- Jewish, Dukkakis -- Greek Orthodox)doesn't help either.
HRC has her support among blacks because of the years her husband, a southern boy of great charm & political ability, invested in building support in that community (e.g. putting his offices in Harlem after his presidency). She could have never built those bridges herself.
We've seen something like the Bernie phenomenon before in Paul Tsongas, another New Englander outsider who caught fire with the white wing of the Democratic Party but failed because he could make no inroads with the minority communities in the Party.
Bernie's lack of connection with blacks isn't just about him "giving them stuff". It's about "they just aren't that 'in' to him".
With all the news about her unsecured server, I keep wondering if WikiLeaks will unleash an October surprise of their own by releasing all of her emails.
If they have them, I wonder if they're waiting to see who's running in the general before deciding. Or maybe they're concerned that releasing them contains so much hot material, including (if the stories are correct) the names of actual agents working overseas, that the blowback would destroy them.
Hillary's problem with the gimme dat and I want my free shit crowd is she can't out commie a commie.
The Democrats have done a weird SNL unfunny comedy skit parodying the '72 election; Sanders reprising McGovern but without any oh his redeeming features and Hillary is all of Richard Nixon's negatives without any of his virtues.
Here is what I find interesting.
When Clinton left office, there was a huge scandal. Well, many scandals, actually. The Bush administration moved in and quickly forgot everything. The country needs to move on!
By the time Bush left office, any scandals he was involved in had already been resolved by the DOJ.
What will happen when Obama leaves office if say, Cruz becomes the next President? What if the Obama DOJ continues to refuse to prosecute all the way through the next election. Will they do something really quick, between Nov and Jan, before Cruz or someone is inaugurated? So they can then be pardoned by Obama?
Or will the next admin just let it all drop, like was done in the past, so the country can move on?
Ugh, I hope not.
BTW, the anti-religion fervor of the spoiled-rich-white-kid wing in ascendancy in the Democrat Party is not going to do them any favors with a constituency that often says grace before meals and respects its religious leaders. We have seen this with Jews where rabbis have become more pro-Republican, but Jews don't really listen to their rabbis....
"Will [the Obama DOJ] do something really quick, between Nov and Jan, before Cruz or someone is inaugurated? So they can then be pardoned by Obama?"
I'd bet on it, and I can't wait to hear the excuses that will be made for such behavior.
"Or will the next admin just let it all drop, like was done in the past, so the country can move on?"
I agreed with the Bush "move on" strategy then. I wouldn't this time. The IRS and Hillary's intelligence debacle are just to important not to address.
"Blacks are, in essence, Southerners. Southerners are always distrustful of Northeasterners, especially New Englanders. They see them as unfriendly, charmless & arrogant. The fact that they're often ethnics with "funny names" & strange religions (e.g. Bernie -- Jewish, Dukkakis -- Greek Orthodox)doesn't help either.
HRC has her support among blacks because of the years her husband, a southern boy of great charm & political ability, invested in building support in that community (e.g. putting his offices in Harlem after his presidency). She could have never built those bridges herself."
Overly elaborate.
Dont forget the WAM.
And that, somehow Obama lost the 2008 Democrat primary in Harlem to Hillary.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
What exactly qualifies one as a "top democrat"? The most money? The one with the largest group of supplicants? The one with the loudest media voice?.
None of the above. "Top democrats" is an admission that their game is rigged. Bernie is right on that one. For that matter, so is Trump and Rubio.
"When Clinton left office, there was a huge scandal. Well, many scandals, actually. The Bush administration moved in and quickly forgot everything. The country needs to move on!"
I think the Marc Rich pardon deserved some investigation, and at the very least Clinton needs to be grilled on it--does she agree with Bill's pardon? If not, why did she not say anything at the time (she was sworn in as a Senator at that point)?
"HRC has her support among blacks because of the years her husband, a southern boy of great charm & political ability, invested in building support in that community (e.g. putting his offices in Harlem after his presidency). She could have never built those bridges herself."
I suppose--but that suggests a very cheap and transparent way for the GOP to win over the black vote. Spend time in their churches, open offices in their neighborhoods! The fear of Sanders makes more sense. The black community is one of the few places in America where anti-Semitism is still fashionable.
"What will happen when Obama leaves office if say, Cruz becomes the next President? What if the Obama DOJ continues to refuse to prosecute all the way through the next election. Will they do something really quick, between Nov and Jan, before Cruz or someone is inaugurated? So they can then be pardoned by Obama?"
Only if it protects themselves. I don't see Obama doing anything just to help the Clintons, who he has no love for and if anything sees them as damaging to his party and competition with him for the Democrats' hearts and minds. If his DOJ has a good case against her--and no splatter on him--and he lets it go forward, he gets "statesman" points for letting justice be served, party be damned.
Especially if she loses the election. Then the Clintons have no leverage at all, and the killing blow becomes all the more final.
Ahh, the antisemitimism of the Democrat media - "a beyond-parody Brooklyn Jewish accent" is itself beyond parody. Why not just say he steals the blood of kidnapped Christian children by the light of the full moon to make his matzohs? There is nobody like a Democrat to make plain what a Democrat means by "bigot" and "prejudiced."
I'd rather listen to Bernie's enunciation, reading a phone book, than the shrew Hillary's shrieking as she states her (highly uncertain, readily changing) policies.
And I'm from rural North Carolina, where we know funny accents.
If his DOJ has a good case against her--and no splatter on him--and he lets it go forward, he gets "statesman" points for letting justice be served, party be damned.
Well, this is part of the problem. Obama exchanged emails with her and therefore knew she wasn't using her government email address. It's now being reported that other administration officials were also using private email addresses to avoid FOIA requests. If he allows her to be indicted, it will end up in his lap sooner or later.
He will do everything he can to prevent this.
Not a word about the security and intelligence disaster she created with her "private server" which seems to have been an attempt to hide all conversation from FOIA but which gave our enemies the names of our CIA agents and their case handlers.
You have zero evidence that her server was ever breached, or that emails with names of CIA agents and their case handlers was even in her private server. In fact who is claiming this? At worst what she did is no worse than other high level officials who mishandled classified material and got no more than a slap on the wrist (Patreus and John Deutch immediately come to mind). And Deutch didn't even get a slap on the wrist.
By the time Bush left office, any scandals he was involved in had already been resolved by the DOJ.
That's bullshit. The extent of the Bush administration's war crimes and torture of detainees only came to light after he left office.
@FF,
You have zero evidence that her server was ever breached, or that emails with names of CIA agents and their case handlers was even in her private server. In fact who is claiming this
Do you expect Russian or Chinese Intelligence to admit to doing so to a New York Times reporter? She had Top Secret information on an unsecured email server on a publicly accessible network. The only safe assumption is that she was compromised.
She, against Federal regulations, set herself up a private email server. There is no record that she ever used a regulation State Department secured account. It's clear that she had classified information of the most sensitive kind on that unsecured server, so sensitive the State Department can't even discuss what it concerned. That means that her staffers repeatedly & deliberately moved classified information from the "air-gapped" secure network at State to her private server, stripping out the classifications codes as they did so.
There are so many felonies here & so many people are involved it's hard to keep count.
Face it, Freder, the reason HRC isn't in the dock facing charges is because the administration & the press know that to prosecute Hillary or her staff essentially means the destruction of the Democratic Party, & they don't have the integrity to fuck over their meal ticket. They wouldn't turn on Hillary if she was sending people to extermination camps, & you know it.
"At worst what she did is no worse than other high level officials who mishandled classified material and got no more than a slap on the wrist "
No, that is not what the intelligence community is saying. They are very angry at what she did, but are constrained by their own oaths of security.
But the State Department's own inspector general has sided with the intelligence community, joining its watchdog late last month in referring the matter to the Justice Department for further review.
The FBI is presently investigating the private email network Clinton used during her time at State.
We don't know what the FBI will do but I think Comey, the Director, is a pretty straight shooter. We'll see.
The extent of the Bush administration's war crimes and torture of detainees only came to light after he left office.
Your bias is obvious My opinion of what will happen is quite different.
I just wonder if Putin will decide to move on the Baltic republics before the next president takes office.
The political left, like you, have no interest in foreign policy. If Putin invades the Baltics, he will win. Our military has been so hollowed out that we have no choice but to give in.
Ah those Democrats who didn't like Hillary in the primaries are a buncha wimps. Wait until the Republicans who don't like Hillary get a crack at her in the general election. There are a lot of reasons why Hillary is not "likeable enough", and every one of them is going to come out in the general. Red meat indeed for the Vast Rational Wing Conspiracy. They can smell a meadow muffin like Hillary a mile away.
Something smells in the democratic party
"You have zero evidence that her server was ever breached, or that emails with names of CIA agents and their case handlers was even in her private server."
And yet, that is not the legal standard for violating our national security and espionage laws. But nice to see Hillary has her fans willing to go to any lengths to cover for her.
You have zero evidence that her server was ever breached,....
Mike Morell, former acting director of the CIA, has been on national TV more than once stating that he is sure every "competent intelligence agency" - among which he surely counts his own CIA - had hacked and was monitorng Hillary!'s server.
Seen on Facebook: "Every time Bernie Sanders announces a new free benefit, chug somebody else's beer!"
"Every time Bernie Sanders announces a new free benefit, chug somebody else's beer!"
Even I can't drink that much.
Blogger Freder Frederson said...
Not a word about the security and intelligence disaster she created with her "private server" which seems to have been an attempt to hide all conversation from FOIA but which gave our enemies the names of our CIA agents and their case handlers.
You have zero evidence that her server was ever breached, or that emails with names of CIA agents and their case handlers was even in her private server. In fact who is claiming this?
It doesn't matter. It was an unsecured server. You have to assume it's been breached.
You have zero evidence that her server was ever breached, or that emails with names of CIA agents and their case handlers was even in her private server.
If her server wasn't breached, which I doubt, it would only be because foreign intelligence services didn't imagine that one of our highest ranking officials could ever reach this level of stone-cold stupidity. They must be laughing at the prospect of her becoming President.
---It's not the Right that points out her Wall Street ties
Not true. There have been many discussions about her waterfall of money from Wall Street and the galactic slush fund called the Clinton Foundation. It was a conservative who wrote 'Clinton Cash'
http://www.wsj.com/articles/book-review-clinton-cash-by-peter-schweizer-1430952794
We criticize Hillary not just for Libya but her part in all the Arab Spring catastrophe. ----Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Sunday drew a contrast between Syrian President Bashir Assad and his late father and predecessor, and said U.S. lawmakers who recently have visited Damascus regarded him as a “reformer.---
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/syrian-president-assad-regarded-reformer-clinton-says
If we weren’t swimming in the leftist media sea, you might know of the many substantive criticisms of this walking, corrupt disaster that is Hillary Clinton.
----You have zero evidence that her server was ever breached
Not zero.
http://www.examiner.com/article/hacker-claims-hillary-clinton-had-multiple-email-addresses-on-personal-server
and we also have the statement of former Secretary of Defense Gates stating from a position of vast experience.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3412251/Former-secretary-defense-says-odds-pretty-high-China-Iran-Russia-got-access-Hillary-Clinton-s-private-email-server.html
---or that emails with names of CIA agents and their case handlers was even in her private server. In fact who is claiming this?
Fox News exclusively obtained the unclassified letter, sent Jan. 14 from Intelligence Community Inspector General I. Charles McCullough III. It laid out the findings of a recent comprehensive review by intelligence agencies that identified "several dozen" additional classified emails -- including specific intelligence known as "special access programs" (SAP).
---At worst what she did is no worse than other high level officials who mishandled classified material and got no more than a slap on the wrist (Patreus and John Deutch immediately come to mind). And Deutch didn't even get a slap on the wrist.
But he did get his security clearance suspended http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/aug99/deutch21.htm
They are currently trying to take one of Petraeus’ stars.
And, frankly, the laxity of Bubba’s Democratic administration in protecting the nation is not a great argument for not ending Hillaries screaming ambition to be chief executive. I just hope we survive the intelligence catastrophe that this is.
---That's bullshit. The extent of the Bush administration's war crimes and torture of detainees only came to light after he left office.
That’s loony, sputtering incoherence.
Brando said...
The black community is one of the few places in America where anti-Semitism is still fashionable.
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Don't get out much, do you? Check out ANY liberal college campus, and the liberal professors that infest them. collegeinsurrection.com covers examples frequently.
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