"In Chicago, 45,000 are, and more than 30,000 are missing in Philadelphia. Across the South — from North Charleston, S.C., through Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi and up into Ferguson, Mo. — hundreds of thousands more are missing. They are missing, largely because of early deaths or because they are behind bars. Remarkably, black women who are 25 to 54 and not in jail outnumber black men in that category by 1.5 million... For every 100 black women in this age group living outside of jail, there are only 83 black men. Among whites, the equivalent number is 99, nearly parity."
From a NYT piece called "1.5 Million Missing Black Men."
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७० टिप्पण्या:
They are not "missing." They either committed a crime for which the law requires them to serve time, or they were the victim of inner city violence. Virtually none of them were killed by police. Any idea who killed most of them?
You can be sure that when black men commit crimes, or don't take care of their health - white people are to blame.
So how many white men between 25 and 54 are "missing"? I bet its a lot more than 1.5 million.
The article is interesting, but the graph is awful. I'm still trying to figure it out. Do the graphic folks at NYT know what X and Y axes mean?
I bet I can name one thing that's not included on a PC list of proposed solutions.
Plus all the aborted black babies.
"...or they were the victim of inner city violence. Virtually none of them were killed by police. Any idea who killed most of them?"
On TV it's usually a white guy in an Armani suit.
So they're not really missing right? I mean, they know where to find them!
Liberals and LBJ's great society, their war on poverty really helped the blacks. They're currently hard at work on the destruction of the USA via their supposedly good intentions.
#bringourmenback should work.
I have an idea, release all of the "missing" black males from jail. And let them live in the neighborhoods of the NYT's editorial board members. They talk endlessly about "diversity". Let them actually live it for once. Maybe MODO will offer to take in a few. She is single.
I don't think many blacks play for MODO, or any other hockey team; with apologies to Johnny Aduya and PK Subban.
Bob Ellison
You are correct. The graph is a wonderment. I believe they are trying to show three or four things on X and Y axes. Fail.
The bar graph below is worth thinking about in relation to the entire thesis. The largest percentage of "missing" black men are under the age of 17. They surely are not incarcerated. They must be dead, prematurely and violently perhaps.
I would be up for the experiment of declaring a "jubilee" for all black criminals currently incarcerated. Empty out the jails. I would follow that up with letting the black communities police themselves until the last racist white trigger happy cop is in his grave.
Ipso Fatso said...
I have an idea, release all of the "missing" black males from jail. And let them live in the neighborhoods of the NYT's editorial board members. They talk endlessly about "diversity". Let them actually live it for once. Maybe MODO will offer to take in a few.
Let the NYT be a leader in the community and start forgoing all background checks on its employees. Felons have the right to good jobs...
you can thank Progressive policies for that.
Also, I don't think Democrats care. The black vote is solidly on the democrat party's side of the ledger. It's why they really don't care about inner city schools, better to keep that demographic relatively uneducated and pliable to messaging.
Besides, the Democrat party can replace them with immigrants from south of here who don't have an understanding of a representative republic, who see crony corporatism and state run everything as the normal course of business.
There are millions more Black men and women missing because their mother killed them before they were born.
Stupid question:
Why aren't there more whites "missing" if, as reported by Fed Bureau of Prisons, the US Prison population is 59% white?
http://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_race.jsp
"They are missing, largely because of early deaths or because they are behind bars."
The New York Times needs better copyeditors.
If the black men are dead or in prison, then they're not missing.
I bet they're not missing on election day. Heck, they don't even have to alive to vote democratic.
16 million missing because of abortion.
Never mind, I have the solution
Sell them to the Chinese! They're short millions of women!
Oh, right, sell. Too soon?
Well you know what I mean. The Chinese LOVE blacks! That's one culture that knows "dark meat got more flavor." In fact there is already US-China trade where we ship them excess chicken legs and they send us breasts and wings...
Oh, right. Anyway, millions of lonely negresses, millions of lonely Chinamen. Surely someone can arbitrage this at a profit?
Can't do the time, don't do the crime!
- Robert Blake
Sammy Davis Jr. actually.
1965 Moynihan Report: “A community that allows a large number of young men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority . . . that community asks for and gets chaos.”
Even now, outlets like the New York Times laud single parent families as a lifestyle choice in no way inferior to that of one with a mom and a dad.
I saw documentary once about rogue adolescent elephants. They were tamed and taught to behave by importing older male elephants. strong argument for strong father figures.
Interesting article about the many educated and hard working African American women who cannot find decent husbands (inter-racial or otherwise) and marry down (in contract to the associate mating trend that is dominating white culture)
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2015/04/09-race-assortative-mating-inequality-reeves
I'd love to see an overlay showing the political parties that govern these municipalities and hire their police forces.
Black lives matter, except to other blacks -- and themselves.
It's an important subject that requires a gentle approach. The NY Times has done a good job describing the "effect" (absence of black men), but they punted on discussing the "cause."
We start with the premise that America, great country with great ideals, did not live up to those ideals when dealing with its black citizens.
But, over decades, we made some serious course corrections (Civil War) and fight for Civil Rights.
Sadly, the Left's War on Poverty in the 60s wrecked a large number black families in the inner cities via the law of unintended consequences.
Basically, in the black communities, the well-intended government hand-out replaced the husband/father wage-earner as the head of the family. Once the institution of marriage was wrecked, you had whole generations of black males raised without Fathers to guide, teach, love and protect them. The results over the past 50 years have not been good.
In Oakland, 2015, about 50% of kids don't graduate from the mostly black Public high schools. A high school drop-out without a father, sadly has very little earning capacity, very little marriage potential, and very counter-productive temptations in his life (ie, drugs and crime). And, thus, the hideous cycle is fueled.
I don't fully exonerate the Right from this dynamic either. Too much indifference. But, the Left exploits and capitalizes on this malaise to get the black votes from churches en masse to win elections to keep the cycle going. At best, the inner cities can dole out Government jobs to Black folks, which arguably improves their living standards, but there aren't (and shouldn't be)enough of those jobs.
Blacks folks have been largely estranged from the private sector engines of economic growth.
It would be a huge step forward for Blacks, Dems, Republicans and the Country if blacks started voting, say, 67-33 for Dems, instead of 95-5.
They would be able to exert leverage in the GOP and they would no longer be taken for granted by the Dems. But this would take some courageous cultural shifts. Nobody likes to be called an Uncle Tom by Democrats, who for political reasons, support the status quo.
Let's not forget all the emotionally absent white men.
The only surprise is how often "police shooting black men" was mentioned.
So "missing" is now the equivalent of a postcard saying "Wish you were here."
@Bay
Exert leverage on the GOP to do what?
"World to end, women and minorities hardest hit."
BayAreaGuy,
I like your comment. I really do. But...
"We start with the premise that America, great country with great ideals, did not live up to those ideals when dealing with its black citizens."
I agree. But you know what? We have not lived up to those ideals with respect to ... ANYONE. That's why they are ideals!
When you say "Too much indifference." I can only say don't confuse that with what a gentleman at least as smart as either of us called "benign neglect." He took it on the chin for that comment but in retrospect it seems to have been the way to go. Yes by all mneans change the laws. They NEEDED changing. But then step back and let the self regulating aspects of society run their course. That's what society is for after all.
Instead we've reaped a seemingly eternal tinkering with governmental engineering toward the desired end with ever more dismal results. Stop fetishising black (women, hispanic, gay, etc.) people, and we as a nation might make even more progress than we have so far. But of course there's too much political hay to be made for anyone to actually follow such a course.
Lots of missing white men due to suicide.
Bob Boyd said...
Stupid question:
Why aren't there more whites "missing" if, as reported by Fed Bureau of Prisons, the US Prison population is 59% white? [link]
That's a good question.
The M/F ratio at birth is around 1.05 or 1.06, so you start out with 6% more "males". IIRC, only about 1% are in prison.
But! The NYT says the ratio is 99 white men to 100 women, so there's about 6 to 7% of the white male population "missing" =
300M(US pop) * .70(percent white) * .06(missin) *.5(male) = 6,300,00 "white males" "missing."
Also
ABSTRACT
The two important questions that this paper will at tempt to answer are: (1) why is it that regardless of race/ethnicity or geographic location, the sex ratio data at birth show more males than females?; and (2) Why is it that regardless of geographic location compared to other racial/ethnic groups, Black women or Women of sub-Saharan Black African descent tend to give birth to more females? Or to put this question the other way around, compared to Black women, why do non-Black women give birth to more males?"
Young men need a father around like a fish needs a tricycle.
50 years after the Civil Rights bill and 40 years after the institution of affirmative action and we're still talking about Blacks like they're special needs kids who need the great White Father to help them out.
I'm sorry if Blacks AS A GROUP are doing worse than Hispanics or Asians AS A GROUP. But frankly its up to the Black Community AS A GROUP to fix it. No one seems to care if Whites are doing worse than Asians - or anyone else -AS A GROUP.
I listened amidst
brownstone activists
quoting Hughes, James Baldwin, Cornell West
doing their best
to feel or not feel the same
...someone to blame
Derbyshire thinks blacks can't do any better.
He's a pessimist, not a racist, on the matter.
The optimists think that the democrats are doing it to blacks.
Hi Tank
Exert leverage on the GOP to do what?
Political horsetrading and/or policy horsetrading. Example: GOP could ease up on the war on drugs, oppressive mandatory minimum sentences, and even make gestures towards restoring voting rights for felons. In exchange, blacks could lend some support to school voucher plans, elements of the Pro-Life movement, and scale back some of the racial demagoguery. Stuff like that.
300M(US pop) * .70(percent white) * .06(missin) *.5(male) = 6,300,00 "white males" "missing."
Missing a zero: That should be 6,300,000 "missing".
"I'd love to see an overlay showing the political parties that govern these municipalities and hire their police forces."
You know the answer. HuffPo is all excited today because a tiny town in Missouri elected a female black mayor and five of the town's six cops quit. All white of course, They said they felt unsafe and I know exactly what they are talking about. I searched and could not find anything about what her plans for the two were.
I've been trying for years to figure out who stole my prototype of Invisibility Serum for Men 25-to-54.
Heartbreaking.
All this time I thought it was the North Koreans.
I am Laslo.
I kept my my prototype of Invisibility Serum for Men 25-to-54 in the fake stereo receiver in the dashboard of my car.
Who would've thought someone would know to look there.
Maddening.
I am Laslo.
However: I remember seeing a black man loitering by the passenger window of my parked car while I was walking away.
I wish now that I could remember what that black man actually looked like.
Irony.
I am Laslo.
I do not mean to imply all black men look the same. I can tell the difference between Denzel Washington and Samuel L. Jackson.
Depending on the team of the hat they are wearing.
I am Laslo.
@Laslo
What a shame. All invisible people look the same. Your serum could have ended racism.
If a large proportion of the "missing" Black men are victims of violence committed by other Blacks, they should be easy to "find." The feds keep track of who commits murders.
in 2005 8,000 blacks were killed by violence, and 93% of the time the perpetrator was Black as well. That's a twofer, assuming the killer is caught and gets jail time.
I am sorry that my Scientific Discovery has rendered black men from 25-to-54 invisible. My Scientific Discovery of rendering All Women 25-to-54 inaudible is still in progress.
I am Laslo.
Laslo, perhaps a woman affected by your inaudibility invention could make others aware of this by removing her shirt. Just a thought.
Michael K said...
"I'd love to see an overlay showing the political parties that govern these municipalities and hire their police forces."
You know the answer. HuffPo is all excited today because a tiny town in Missouri elected a female black mayor and five of the town's six cops quit. All white of course, They said they felt unsafe and I know exactly what they are talking about. I searched and could not find anything about what her plans for the two were.
4/20/15, 8:54 PM
Mike, I looked into this; she also appears to be Republican.
Lets abolish murder and violent crime! We will call ourselves the neo-abolitionists!
There seems to be a lot of them hanging out by my local "Mullah Mart".
Perhaps the author didn't look in the right places.
The word "missing" implies some unknown aspect of someones whereabouts or circumstances.
As Terry pointed out, the men are not "missing" -- they are fully accounted for.
The authors bastardize yet another term for an agenda.
The NYT's only good role here is giving voice to bigots under the rubric of free speech.
The message projected here rhymes with the message bullhorned by the YGB woman the night of Tony Robinson's killing:
"Release our black men!"
No thought whatsoever of black mothers and wives doing their best to keep their men from doing crimes.
They're not missing, they are out chasing white women. Just ask Crack.
Plus, if you add in all the aborted blacks.....
They are also missing from news stories too. Its so bad that you can now guess the race of a perp when the MSM "forgets" to inform you.
"Youths Attack Crowds at County Fair, 16 shot"
Youths. Yah right.
Lets hide the fact that they are black because people might start associating black males with thugs and that would be raaaaacist.
Instead, lets pretend they aren't black.... Hey wait? How did all these black men go "missing" all of a sudden? Golly gee where did they all go?
Fen said...
They are also missing from news stories too
It's more PC than that. I live in Fairfax County, VA. We have a reverse 911 system where the county can call impacted houses if there is a gas leak, or whatever. robo-calls based on a GIS system. pretty neat.
Anyway, got a robocall the other day to be on the look-out for a missing female, dark hair, 65 years old, 5 ft 6 in. supposed to have wandered off.
see what's missing? They want my help, but even in benign situations are too PC to give me this woman's race, or even a surrogate for it (e.g. dark skinned, fair complexion, etc)
So are their child support payments.
From "SOME NOTES ON NEGRO CRIME PARTICULARLY IN GEORGIA"
...
May 24, 1904
EDITED BY W. E. BURGHARDT DU BOIS
...
"The Negro is three times as criminal as a native white, and ome and a half as criminal as the foreign white, consisting in many cases of the scum of Europe."
Negro criminality is undoubtedly far greater than white, and I have little doubt that the foregoing statement is substantially, though not numerically, correct.
...
Causes of Negro Crime.
This study is too incomplete to lead us to many definite conclusions. Yet certain causes of crime among Negroes today seem clear. They may be briefly classified as follows:
A.-Faults of the Negroes.
1. Abuse of their new freedom and tendency toward idleness and vagrancy,
2. Loose idea of property, petty pilfering.
3. Unreliability, lying and deception
4. Exaggerated ideas of personal rights, irritability and suspicion.
5. Sexual looseness, weak family life and poor training of children; lack of
respect for parents.
6. Lack of proper self-respect; low or extravagant ideals.
7. Poverty, low wages and lack of accumulated property.
8. Lack of thrift and prevalence of the gambling spirit.
9. Waywardness of the "second generation."
10. The use of liquor and drugs
...
B.-Faults of the whites.
1. The attempt to enforce a double standard of justice in the courts, one for Negroea and one for whites.
2. The election of judges for short terms, making them subservient to waves of public opinion in a white electorate.
3. The shirking of jury duty by the best class of whites, leaving the dealing out of justice to the most ignorant and prejudiced.
4. Laws so drawn as to entangle the ignorant, as in the case of laws for labor contracts, and to leave wide discretion as to punishment in the hands of juries and petty officials.
5. Peonage and debt-slavery as methods of securing cheap and steady labor.
6. The tendency to encourage ignorance and subserviency among Negroes instead of intelligence, ambition and independence.
7. The taking of all rights of political self-defense from the Negro either by direct law, or custom, or by the "white primary" system.
8. The punishment of crime as a means of public and private revenue rather than as a means of preventing the making of criminals.
9. The rendering of the chastity of Negro women difficult of defense in law or custom against the aggressions of white men.
10. Enforcing a caste system in such a way as to humiliate Negroes and kill their self-respect.
If those who are "missing" by being imprisoned are unjustly imprisoned (either innocent men railroaded by a corrupt system, or men guilty of lesser crimes that shouldn't be in prison but punished some other way) then make that case. Otherwise, our problem isn't that they are "missing" but that they are committing prison-worthy crimes in the first place. Address why this is the choice for so many young black men, and what it might take to keep them from committing crimes.
But if we're going to note that blacks are disproportionately imprisoned, let's also note that men in general are disproportionately imprisoned (as well as victims of violence and sufferers of earlier deaths than women). It's amazing how the Left will point to racial disparities as proof of some racial bias, but when faced with statistics showing the same disparity for the same malady affecting men, this doesn't show any gender bias.
I'm not missing them at all.
"Thank God we have prisons," said Richard Pryor after he actually visited one.
"You can be sure that when black men commit crimes, or don't take care of their health - white people are to blame." -- Ah. The Law & Order theory as codified by Dick Wolf.
You can't say someone is "missing" if you know exactly where he is.
A point everyone here (except Terry 9:13pm) seems to have missed: the two classes of missing men are connected. A huge number of black men are 'missing' because they are in prison for killing other black men who are 'missing' because they're dead. And many of the dead were killed (by whomever) because they killed other who now share their missing-because-dead status. If black men stopped killing each other, their would be a lot fewer missing in both categories (Terry's "twofer" remark).
A point everyone here (except Terry 9:13pm) seems to have missed: the two classes of missing men are connected. A huge number of black men are 'missing' because they are in prison for killing other black men who are 'missing' because they're dead.
Ninety three percent of those dead black men were killed by other black men - NOT WHITE COPS.
There, my leftist friends, is the mountain, which you stubbornly ignore during your absurd fixation with the molehill.
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