Wow. I'm just seeing this now. How awkward. I was embarrassed to watch the clip. Jack Nicholson — the greatest actor of the modern era (or something) — comes out as if he's going to announce the award, observes that it's traditionally one presenter who does the announcement, then throws it to a White House feed where it's Michelle Obama, dressed up in her ball gown, in the company of White House toadies in tuxes. And then "Lincoln" doesn't even win, so we don't get the stunning climax of all of history that was what the producers may have thought they were setting up.
Abysmal.
IN THE COMMENTS: Drago said: "Those aren't 'toadies.' Those are the military aides assigned to the President. They have no choice but to be there when 'directed.' And those aren't 'tuxes,' those are military dress uniforms." I stand corrected. I'm sorry. I was going to watch the video again to check that detail but there was no scroll bar on the video and I could not put up with watching it in real time. Why were military personnel used as props for an entertainment industry awards show?
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322 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»American Idol redux. Bow down TV serfs!
No doubt, a big wet kiss for Hollywood for its support. How is it inappropriate?
Obooba.
Classiest first fam EVAH!!!
It's almost as if she wants the title of the modern day Marie Antoinette.
I'm surprised that she didn't fly out there on Air Force One to make the presentation.
Did Reagan, a former Hollywood actor, or his wife, Nancy, ever do something like this?
In Why Not Me? (a great book, really; buy it used if necessary), Al Franken repeatedly uses the word for what Michelle Obama was in that performance: starfucker.
No doubt, a big wet kiss for Hollywood for its support. How is it inappropriate?
Well maybe not inappropriate but it certainly seems like this administration is more concerned with being on the cutting edge of pop culture than with governance. Considering the administration is hell bent on destructive spending, it certainly is a reasonable assumption.
AA: "...then throws it to a White House feed where it's Michelle Obama, dressed up in her ball gown, in the company of White House toadies in tuxes."
Those aren't "toadies".
Those are the military aides assigned to the President.
They have no choice but to be there when "directed".
And those aren't "tuxes", those are military dress uniforms.
The continued building of the obama cult of personality continues unabated.
As for "visual" messaging, having military members standing behind michelle is a way to plant in the publics eye the idea that the obamas really care about the military as obama prepares to dramatically reduce our military force structure in order to transfer the "savings" to his entitlement payoff programs.
Which is also why it's important for obama to have Hagel take the SecDef position. You want a Republican in place at Defense when you start the transfer of resources.
Pretty basic really.
It's just Obama's clan doing as much as they can to enjoy the limelight before the dulge... as in the roof falls in just when Obama leaves office.
Yea... let them eat cake, that is their motto.
They've got to appeal to the base, and grow the progressive brand.
If she reached just ONE kid out there in a food desert, beset by gun violence, left out of healthcare, raised by a single mom (who can be perfected into a Julia type figure), then it will have been worth it.
The Grammys are just a vehicle for social change, WE are that change as the arc of history has now been bent a little more towards justice.
Community....activated.
How can you disagree with that?
The hope is that the First Lady's core supporters will see the value in being able to read.
It's inappropriate. Laura Bush, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Bush, Nancy Reagan, Rosalynn Carter, etc. did not behave in this shameless, money-grubbing way. We didn't elect them! We didn't see them as royalty.
Hollywood does not need Michelle Obama pimping or promoting them. They need her planting that big wet kiss. It's disgusting.
Those two lesbians behind her are a nice touch.
Ron and Nancy Reagan were part of the movie industry. This? This is Michelle horning in on the Hollywood crowd.
That's the way I felt, anyway. Maybe if Laura Bush had done it, I wouldn't have been so sour about it because I like Laura. I know for sure I would have been able to tell you what Laura had said because I would have listened. Michelle's speech was so much blah blah blah. Nice dress, though.
Not the least bit unexpected. Not that you'll ever really know how it came about but obviously well planned. Is it so hard to have someone say-don't! Four hours into a big circle jerk and this awkward moment, no doubt AF-1 was used to transport the envelope.
Did Reagan, a former Hollywood actor, or his wife, Nancy, ever do something like this?
Yes.
Was she wearing a new wig, or one that she'd worn before?
You should use the proper Hollywood jargon, toadies are called an entourage.
It was wonderful of her to take time away from her busy vacation schedule to participate. Think of the stress!
garage mahal, when?
The Republicans ought to push for cable un-bundeling and Glenn Reynolds' Hollywood Tax. Obama wants higher taxes, the Republican's should oblige him.
It wasn't embarrassing. I didn't watch. Who won ?
The Mets, I think.
Or the South.
I didn't even know there was a game.
Abysmal.
That accurately describes all of the "Aren't We WONDERFUL?!!" awards shows, be they for movies, Broadway or music. They're all abysmal.
When, garage? I have no memory of Reagan presenting an Oscar, and a google search produces nothing.
So--you know, either produce the evidence or ...well, never mind. We already know you lie.
@Bob Ellsion
Reagan did a taped appearance at 1981 Oscars. See here and also here.
Laura Bush did a taped appearance in 2002.
For the record I don't think any of this is appropriate.
must...complain...about...every...single...thing...
I wouldn't know one way or another if Reagan appeared at the Oscars but I see some Democrat folks out there claiming he appeared at the 1981 awards. But those were held on March 31, 1981, and Reagan was shot the day before, so maybe it was a pre-recorded thing?
I also see Democrats saying Laura Bush appeared at the 2002 Oscars. I have no recollection but Wikipedia says:
"Documentary filmmaker Errol Morris, who would later win Best Documentary at the 76th Academy Awards, made a short film that was shown during the ceremony. The film shows almost 100 people discussing movies. Those featured range from Laura Bush and Mikhail Gorbachev to Iggy Pop and Lou Reed to Kenneth Arrow (1972 Nobel Laureate in Economics) to Morris' son Hamilton."
That's quite different from the First Lady intruding right when everyone's waiting for the Best Picture award.
Does this woman do anything other than vacation, party, and appear on TV?
What a silly joke of a 1st lady she is.
It's just terrible. The world is definitely going to end now.
Can you imagine how the left would've reacted if Pres. George W. Bush had appeared on a game show or something?
Worst. Thing. Ever.
and, as someone has already mentioned, those were military personnel in dress uniforms.
Rule #1 of public appearances by politicians (yes, 1st ladies are included): Any person placed behind the politician while they are speaking is a prop.
What, praytell, does that first link have anything to do with Reagan taping an appearance, GM?
The second link just shows Nancy posing for pictures with Hollywood people. Did she actually give an award or tape a statement played during the awards?
Interesting that people think a taped appearance is the same as presenting an award in full ball drag.
Wait... Why are we freaking out about this? Nixon went on Laugh-In. Clinton talked about his boxers or briefs or commando or whatever and schtooped a semi-hottie in the Oral Office... Hell, I'm more embarrassed that anyone cares at all about what happens at the Oscars!
I'm glad Lincoln didn't win. I haven't seen the movie but I've read that they have the characters using the f word and other language not commonly used by the statesmen of that era. In the movies today, I hear the f word more than I hear it in everyday life.
Garage: Your first link just says the Oscars were delayed for 24 hours 'cause Reagan was shot. Your second link is pictures of Reagan with celebrities.
Argo is revisionist history for our first peanut President. And the revision we're supposed to take away is that he used words to solve the hostage crisis with Iran and his indoor voice. The eight Delta Force soldier killed in Operation Peanut (a.k.a. The Debacle in the Desert)--every move personally planned by Jimmy down to the number of 'copters he was told was unworkable, according to insiders-- were unavailable for comment.
What, praytell, does that first link have anything to do with Reagan taping an appearance, GM?
Ooops. See here.
Can you imagine how the left would've reacted if Pres. George W. Bush had appeared on a game show or something?
Right, because a president going on a game show is EXACTLY the same thing as the FLOTUS announcing the best picture winner at the Oscars.
The liberal commenters on this site are either clueless or just pretending to be.
The liberal commenters on this site are either clueless or just pretending to be.
This is the norm whenever liberals say anything.
Nancy and Ron, such a display! Tsk, tsk.
Why are people comparing Michelle Obama taking over the presentation of Best Picture with Laura Bush being included in this:
"Documentary filmmaker Errol Morris, who would later win Best Documentary at the 76th Academy Awards, made a short film that was shown during the ceremony. The film shows almost 100 people discussing movies. Those featured range from Laura Bush and Mikhail Gorbachev to Iggy Pop and Lou Reed to Kenneth Arrow (1972 Nobel Laureate in Economics) to Morris' son Hamilton."
???
Could care less about which politician did what with regard to popular culture. It is part of the perpetual campaign.
However, use of the military, as Ms. Althouse states, as toadies for Ms. Obama's effort to cross something off of her bucket list is in exceptionally poor taste.
garage's link is a lie, like all his others. Why bother checking them?
They don't show Ron or Nancy or Laura Bush presenting awards.
Why bother calling his lies out for that matter? He just reposts them later like nothing happened, like he did with the "failed" voucher schools link.
My college-aged daughter's response:
"What was that all about? She just strung together about fifty cliches..."
The liberal commenters on this site are either clueless or just pretending to be
The Left-side of the Web is working as fast as they can to dig up a "Republican did it too!!!!111!!" moment. Bear with them.
Well, she's not Jackie Kennedy, that's for sure.
Up next on The Media - Michelle Obama cut her bangs. Find out why!
Why were military personnel used as props for an entertainment industry awards show?
Because Queen Michelle says so.
FYNQ (her attitude, not mine).
Michelle Obama's 2016 campaign just kicked off. Excited yet?
"Why were military personnel used as props for an entertainment industry awards show?"
Because they could.
The sequester can't come soon enough for me.
I hope those military props didn't have real guns.
Biden can stay on to provide continuity.
Reagan and Roosevelt addressed Oscar audiences
There is no such thing as inappropriate when it comes to this crowd.
The irony is that Barry thinks he's the most elegant, intelligent, capable, classiest, and beautiful white guy ever born. He just was denied a chance to show it.
He'll be there in person next year and he will be AWESOME. Because they'll need the ratings.
BDNYC said...
Did Reagan, a former Hollywood actor, or his wife, Nancy, ever do something like this?
Did Jack and Jackie?
Franklin and Eleanor?
For that matter, Willie and Hillie?
You don't see the difference terry, I'll be generous and say your retarded as opposed to a piece of human garbage.
The D.C gay marines' choir was serenading with "Baby's Got Back" beneath the balcony. Fabulous.
garage mahal, Reagan apparently taped a video after he got shot. Are you comparing that to Michelle Obama's starfucking?
Your other link is pics. There are lots of PICs of every POTUS. Are you comparing that to Michelle's starfucking?
"The Left-side of the Web is working as fast as they can to dig up a "Republican did it too!!!!111!!" moment. Bear with them."
LOL
The Obama's agent should really warn them about overexposure.
Yes, Inga, that's just the same.
Well, after seeing Michele win the Oscar for most expensive pandering, I know where I'd start the sequestration cuts.
dreams said...
The liberal commenters on this site are either clueless or just pretending to be.
It's no pretense.
machine said...
must...complain...about...every...single...thing...
the mindless automaton proves once again he has no idea what the word "class", when not used in conjunction with "warfare" means.
Inga said...
Reagan and Roosevelt addressed Oscar audiences
Once again, the She Devil of the SS cannot differentiate between apples and lemons.
CEO-MMP said...
Interesting that people think a taped appearance is the same as presenting an award in full ball drag.
Interesting that people think it's that different.
I do love this. You guys on the partisan Right got you knickers in a wad over this almost as a reflex, without even thinking to consider you'd end up looking like fools because some of your guys had in the past done something similar.
You've all become so reactionary to ANYTHING this President, his administration, or anyone associated with it, that anything they do, you react as a reflex action - you automatically leap before you look. The whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearings - bringing that up without even considering to get confirmation that there is any validity at all to that very serious type of accusation - made your side look absolutely ridiculous and the backlash from that stupidness probably ended up swaying the few votes Hagel needed to get confirmed.
My first reaction is who cares? She did a nice job and what difference does it make.
However, I agree that the capacity of her and her husband to seek out the limelight and their sense/ease of entitlement is pretty extraordinary. She probably more than him. But I did see her dancing, and it looks like she has good rythym [sp?].
Evita.
LoafingOaf said...
Why are people comparing Michelle Obama taking over the presentation of Best Picture with Laura Bush being included in this:
Because left wingers take to the Internet to lie.
That is who they are and what they do.
I'll say this, Michele Obama has beat out Chuck Schumer for hogging a camera.
Hollywood would have done itself a favor to have Clint Eastwood present the Best Picture Award.
sonicfrog said...
Interesting that people think it's that different.
It is different.
And pretending it isn't makes you a silly, dishonest hack.
The concerned Left wants to warn Republicans not to make an issue of this.
We are grateful.
Argo fuck yourself.
Yes Jay, lefties have a long tradition of demeaning use of those in the military they so despise.
Remember Hillery in the WH using military aids as waiters to serve canapes at social functions? Or of Big Sis (iirc) at a WH function asking a General in full dress uniform to get her a cocktail thinking he was a waiter? Michelle's use of military aids last night is all of a piece--typical...of lefties, that is..
sonicfrog said...
You've all become so reactionary to ANYTHING this President, his administration, or anyone associated with it, that anything they do, you react as a reflex action - you automatically leap before you look. The whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearings - bringing that up without even considering to get confirmation that there is any validity at all to that very serious type of accusation - made your side look absolutely ridiculous and the backlash from that stupidness probably ended up swaying the few votes Hagel needed to get confirmed.
This post is a profile of stupidity and ignorance.
People like you do this sort of thing because you can't defend the indefensible.
Therefore you'll lie and attempt to change the subject.
garage mahal, Reagan apparently taped a video after he got shot. Are you comparing that to Michelle Obama's starfucking?
Was Reagan a starfucker? Of course he was. Read Kitty Kelly's book!
Why bother calling his lies out for that matter? He just reposts them later like nothing happened, like he did with the "failed" voucher schools link.
I linked to an article of Reagan doing a taped appearance at the Oscars. What's the lie? You've mentioned you're in the math field, I just hope to god you don't teach.
sonicfrog: "I do love this. You guys on the partisan Right got you knickers in a wad over this almost as a reflex, without even thinking to consider you'd end up looking like fools because some of your guys had in the past done something similar."
What bothered me the most was the placement of the White House assigned military members being positioned behind the first lady as you presented an award at the oscars.
Care to explain that?
Go ahead, give it a try. And then give us an equivalent action by a Republican Presidential spouse in a completely non-military related venue.
The whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearings - bringing that up
Who, exactly, "brought this up" and what did they say?
Drago remarked and cited by Althouse...
And those aren't "tuxes", those are military dress uniforms.
To be specific those uniform as called "Mess Dress" or "Evening Dress" (USMC) and yes, they are the military equivalent of a formal coat & tails for evening wear at formal, usually celebratory, occasions. Note that the medals, when worn, are of the half size type, not full sized nor ribbon symbols.
IIRC the "mess dress" uniform is left over from the days of Royal Household uniforms. How appropriate here, eh?
Michelle would win Dancing With The Stars without even trying. I suggest Maks as a partner.
Context counts
virgil xenophon said...
Yes Jay, lefties have a long tradition of demeaning use of those in the military they so despise.
The left views the military as out air raiding villiages and killing civilians, when they should be flying Pelosi across the country and standing behind the hideous pig of a first lady while she babbles on about an Academy Award.
Oh, and flying Barry to his next tee time. They should do that too.
I think what was truly inappropriate was that she appeared before that assemblage and did not thank them for all their financial and artistic support of her husband's Presidency. Very ungrateful......Do you think Eisenhower gave a shit about who won the Best Picture Award? By appearing on such a show, the FLOTUS gives the subliminal message that she's just another celebrity. The President and his wife should exist on a different plane than those pretty people.
Reagan was in a Phil Collins' video, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU9lv_WqK6k
Shut up!
Your tax $$$$$ at work.
Having something to say (pre-taped) is a little different than being foisted upon everyone as if you too are a hollywood celebrity.
They injected Michelle as if she's the biggest star of all! Bigger than Jack! Come worship. Of course they did. The Obama's are the ultimate sacred golden cows for these wealthy bubble dwelling self-congratulatory ivory tower tools.
Some commenter over on Weasel Zippers has pointed out that at least some of the folks in uniform here are the same as those behind the President during his sequester speech. I guess it is all part of their employment, eh? Also, another commenter on Twitchy noted that none of the props have any active duty patches.
Just saying
Cal Coolidge sent over a wax recording to the Academy.
sonicfrog said...
The whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearings - bringing that up without even considering to get confirmation that there is any validity at all to that very serious type of accusation - made your side look absolutely ridiculous and the backlash from that stupidness probably ended up swaying the few votes Hagel needed to get confirmed.
Uh, on February 7, 2013 Breitbart News’ story on “Friends of Hamas” was written.
Chuck Hagel is not yet confirmed.
Read Kitty Kelly's book!
You have?
"Friends Of Hamas" liked Michelle's appearance on Facebook.
Disgraceful
I do love this. You guys on the partisan Right got you knickers in a wad over this almost as a reflex, without even thinking to consider you'd end up looking like fools because some of your guys had in the past done something similar."
I don't think Reagan was handing out awards. Then again, he was an actor so his taped introduction would have held more relevance to the event than Michele's star wannabe appearance ever would.
Perhaps criticism of her is purely based on the fact that a lot of people are sick of looking at her.
@garage:I linked to an article of Reagan doing a taped appearance at the Oscars. What's the lie?
Uh huh. Not presenting a award, the topic under discussion. A lie. I notice you're not defending the Laura Bush one now.
You've mentioned you're in the math field, I just hope to god you don't teach.
Physics, actually, and I teach it very well. Because I don't lie about it.
You said vouchers were a failure compared to public schools, and linked to data showing essentially identical performance. A lie.
Castro and Papa Chavez both LOL'd her appearance.
My favorite is Nixon with Elvis.
@Colonel Angus:I don't think Reagan was handing out awards.
Taped address to the audience in the beginning. Not presenting an award.
Not the same. A lie. Our progressive friends are cutting and pasting the handed-out talking points.
Military used as props. By an Obama. Shocking.
garage mahal said...
@Bob Ellsion
Reagan did a taped appearance at 1981 Oscars. See here and also here.
Laura Bush did a taped appearance in 2002.
For the record I don't think any of this is appropriate.
OF COURSE you don't because you're a partisan hack who only respects the POTUS when he is a Democrat.
And the appearances you listed were TAPED and in the form of messages to the Academy.
What M Obama and the Academy did was to highjack the procedings and get her exposure to a supposedly 1 billion people.
The Obamas are disgusting people in their need for the limelight and even worse for the 'First Family'.
I wonder if she's 'proud of her country' now because she got to steal the spotlight at the AA.
What a egocentric elitist woman.
And the use of the Military behind her? Un-appropriate and appalling.
I have a hard time getting upset over this, since the long decline began many decades ago with the advent of television and the rise of the airhead pretty boy of Camelot.
With his Tonight Show appearances and so forth, Obama has merely accelerated the decline. On the one hand, we have conspicuous luxury and pomp attendant to our royal president. On the other, he wants to convince us he's a regular Joe who uses the word "folks" and wears jeans and enjoys movies.
There was once a time when the president was merely an esteemed statesman who presided over the administration of the national government and sought to faithfully execute the laws. His task was transactional in nature, and he executed his duties with humility. The American people were largely spared having to hear his voice or see his mug in the paper or on television.
Times change. Now we have a cool brother who dances with Ellen. Before that we had a teetotaler who many of us would have nevertheless liked to have a beer with. Before that we had a smooth sax player who scored with girls. And so on.
Stalin sent over a film that pre-thanked Hollywood for never making a critical movie.
Seth McFarlane's best joke of the night was talking about the big year that Hollywood had and the overtime the accountants have to spend to make it look like they broke even.
"I'll say this, Michele Obama has beat out Chuck Schumer for hogging a camera."
You don't want to get between Schumer and a camera and I wouldn't want to be around Michele when she is hungry.
You said vouchers were a failure compared to public schools, and linked to data showing essentially identical performance. A lie.
No, it showed a poorer performance.
Physics, actually, and I teach it very well. Because I don't lie about it.
And yet you can't understand simple test results that my 12 yr old daughter could read and understand.
Do you teach 1 is "essentially" 2 ?
Military used as props. By an Obama. Shocking.
No class.
@garage:No, it showed a poorer performance.
By five percent. So you lied. You said the link proved voucher schools were a failure compared to public schools and you lied.
Do you teach 1 is "essentially" 2 ?
When it is only measured to within +/-5, then yes it is indistinguishable, you innumerate hack.
Come on. This isn't overexposure.
This is overexposure.
The Vatican just announced that the Conclave will have a special guest vote - President Obama.
The reason Reagan was asked to make a taped message to the members of the Academy come from that years Academy Awards Producer.
From garages link: "President Reagan was once a member of our industry and it seemed fitting for him to join us,'' said Norman Jewison, producer of this year's show."
Reagan had just assumed office about 7 weeks earlier and he was the first former actor to have achieved such high office.
It made perfect sense for him to tape a "hello and howareya?" greeting.
Plus, I couldn't quite make out any service members being ordered to stand behind him when he made his remarks.
OF COURSE you don't because you're a partisan hack who only respects the POTUS when he is a Democrat.
Here is what I said that you pasted:
"For the record I don't think any of this is appropriate"
Drago asked ...
Care to explain that?
[in reference to the use of military aides in mess dress instead of mufti, for back ground.]
Yeah, I'd love to see that explanation. I presume the great "formality" of a domestic entertainment video press feed required the "Household Royalty" military attire.
Maybe it's just me. What's next, his highness Obama in Louis XIV attire? :-))
PS: I'm not "freaking out" or even "getting my pantloons in a wad"...I just don't give a shit, like other momentous nonsense brought up from time to time. If anything I'm stunned, or embarrassed given the world can see it, at the total lack of shame in this white House. Gotta give them credit...they are a HOOT! :)
@garage:Did Reagan, a former Hollywood actor, or his wife, Nancy, ever do something like this?
Yes.
No. You lied. You linked to them, and Laura Bush, doing different things and claimed it proved your point.
Just like you lie every time you link to anything.
garage: "Do you teach 1 is "essentially" 2?"
LOL
Garage has unwittingly (does he exist in any other state??) dipped his toe into higher level mathematics!
Garage, define "essentially" in the context of your question above.
Hilarity ensues........
@Drago: garage will say 2+2 = 5 when he thinks it helps Team Blue, and insist it's totally different when he thinks it might hurt Team Red.
Next year it will be Michelle Obama in 3-D. Jon Stewart, Tina Fey, Meryl Streep and Scarlet jooohhhaaannnsseen will then join her on stage, link arms and do the can-can.
Just wait until March madness kicks in and ABC/ESPN again go wall to wall with obama's bracket selections (like they've done every year since his first election as President).
Again, this is simply a continuation of the endless "cult of personality" campaign.
It's designed to shield obama from criticism for his policy failures and to create the warm "Uncle Joe" atmosphere obama needs to demonize his opponents.
Again, this is all very basic and quite transparent.
Harvey Weinstein has announced that he just greenlighted a major motion picture based on Barack's poem about apes in a grotto shitting.
garage mahal said...
Do you teach 1 is "essentially" 2 ?
It's Intel math and it works only for exceptionally high values of 1.
@edutcher:It's Intel math and it works only for exceptionally high values of 1.
Actually it happens every time you measure something to low precision.
This is why polls that show one person ahead by 2% are considered to be ties. Statistically they are, because the results are not certain, they have a margin of error.
garage knows this, he just lies.
Hollywood is trying to save the movie industry tax breaks! Or else the government is going to take over Hollywood after it finishes with health care. I agree that it was totally inappropriate and if I had know she was going to be a presenter I would not have watched the show.
Hollywood is trying to save the movie industry tax breaks! Or else the government is going to take over Hollywood after it finishes with health care. I agree that it was totally inappropriate and if I had know she was going to be a presenter I would not have watched the show.
I disagree with everyone here in comments. It was very appropriate for this White House to do this. The Obama's are acting the part of President and First Lady. It's only right that they should celebrate and be celbrated by thier peers in the industry. I say BRAVISSIMO!
The headline off Drudge
OBAMA CRASHES OSCARS
HARVEY ARRANGED
Gabriel said...
It's Intel math and it works only for exceptionally high values of 1.
Actually it happens every time you measure something to low precision.
This is why polls that show one person ahead by 2% are considered to be ties. Statistically they are, because the results are not certain, they have a margin of error.
garage knows this, he just lies.
i.e., margin of error. We talked about this a lot during the campaign.
The "Intel math" thing, for those not in the biz, was the gag that came out after the first Pentium processors quoted a value of 5 for 2 + 2. "for extremely high values of 2" went the punchline.
I was just coming over here to add another two cents to the Oscars thread from last night about this very thing and bam -- here are 120+ comments already.
I looked again at the photo on Drudge to check about the uniformed people ... dang .. they are military 0f some kind.
What the hey? Whose stupid, stupid idea was that? And why? Becasue the Obamas do things because They Can?
OMG, we ARE a Banana Republic!!
It's Evita & Co. with the AUTHORITY to bestow the Best Picture Oscar for 2012?
I'll go read the comments now.
Surfed is now nominated for Beet Of The Week!
Obama provided more backup to Michelle than he did in Benghazi.
Amazing.
"Was Reagan a starfucker? Of course he was. Read Kitty Kelly's book!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!!!
I think the reactionary leftist just jumped the shark.
"Was Reagan a starfucker? Of course he was. Read Kitty Kelly's book!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!!!
I think the reactionary leftist just jumped the shark.
This is why polls that show one person ahead by 2% are considered to be ties. Statistically they are, because the results are not certain, they have a margin of error.
Hard data isn't the same thing a popular polling which has a margin of error, you stupid, stupid motherfucker.
I don't get the appearance of her at all.
Did they think Zero Dark Thirty was going to win?
Colonel Angus said...
It's almost as if she wants the title of the modern day Marie Antoinette.
Difference being, Marie Antoinette didn't begrudge the peasants their cake.
@garage:Hard data isn't the same thing a popular polling which has a margin of error, you stupid, stupid motherfucker.
Look up "correlation coefficient" and "confounding variables", on wikipedia should be fine. Ask an adult to explain the hard words to you.
First Lady's should not make a presentation appearance at the Academy Awards because
_____________________________?
Because you don't like Hollywood? Because you don't like the First Lady? Let's hear the reason why not.
@garage: Given that teaching high school cannot be done double-blind, and that the populations are not identical, the difference between 90% below proficient and 85% below proficient is too small to draw meaningful conclusions.
Nonetheless, you confidently proclaimed voucher schools a failure, explicitly with the public schools that performed essentially identically.
You are a liar.
Reagan was an ex-actor.
Roosevelt, because there was a war going on and he probably wanted to thank Hollywood for its help.
Michelle Obama? Frankly, I just don't get it.
@garage:you stupid, stupid motherfucker.
I forget what your Ph. D. is in?
I agree, it was horrible.
She needs to stay away from tv for a long time now.
I thought her evolution of Mom Dance was cute but the Academy Award nomination by her was disgusting.
Note the Oscars were delayed in 1981 because Reagan had almost been murdered and was in the hospital.
And Darrell at 11:58 -- that was quite right on and actually very painful. There is something wrong with the White Houses's priorities. Deadly wrong.
Did Reagan, a former Hollywood actor, or his wife, Nancy, ever do something like this?
Mr. Reagan was a member of the MPAAS and a former SAG president. Wouldn't have seemed any more inappropriate for him to appear at the Oscars than to appear at a Eureka College alumni reunion.
First Lady's should not make a presentation appearance at the Academy Awards because
_____________________________?
They are most likely irrelevant to the industry?
I she going to give out Daytime Emmys too? Why discriminate? Why not an American Music Awards appearance? Is there a Metal Shop Teacher of the Year Award that could use her prestige?
I have no hate for her or Hollywood in particular, but its an anomaly that makes little sense.
I think the previous years winner should present the award.
My strange theory is that there was outside shot for Zero Dark Thirty to win, and that if so, she was there from the White House with military personnel to drum up some of that killing Bin Laden magic.
It's just a dumb theory though, so who knows.
still going on about this? Can't wait to see what Drudge tells everyone here to complain about tomorry.....
Test score results are identical to popular polling. From our resident physicist.
Enjoy the decline bitches!
@garage:Hard data isn't the same thing a popular polling which has a margin of error, you stupid, stupid motherfucker.
One of the things I got my Ph. D. for was developing a way to measure tiny thicknesses using (to oversimplify) a laser through a microscope. I was getting distances to the micron. The hardest of hard data. But that 1-2 micron uncertainty meant that some of the numbers I was getting were uncertain by considerably more than that. And so sometimes I couldn't tell the difference between refractive indices, even though the numbers were different the uncertainty was about the same size.
There's a lot to know about how to draw conclusions from data. Quite aside from whether you'd know hard data if it bit you in the ass, to the extent that you know of these techniques you are a liar; to the extent that you don't, you're unqualified to opine.
Ignorant or lying, your choice. I respect your intelligence enough to think you must be lying. You certainly seem to grok the distinctions when you think it suits your argument.
@garage:Test score results are identical to popular polling.
One and the same thing, garage. The populations tested are not identical. They do not constitute random samples of the same population. Variables common to both may be ultimately responsible. etc, etc.
But go on being a science denier.
Here's a list of Reagan's meeting with celebrities (from the Reagan Library). There is nothing new under the sun, except for the extremism of the GOP these days.
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/photographs/celebrities.html
From the Reagan Foundation museum apparently.
garage, what's the point of the posturing? Anyone can read what I wrote, compare it to what you wrote, and draw the appropriate conclusion.
All you are doing is name calling. Nobody hear but your fellow travelers trusts what you say ANYWAY. You can't fight something with nothing.
I caught you lying and proved it. You can't get anywhere with snark, not in a hostile crowd anyway. Sure, in front of the Daily Show audience you'd score points.
@phx:Here's a list of Reagan's meeting with celebrities
Move those goalposts! Original topic: appropriateness of First Lady presenting Oscars.
Garage is a product of and a proponent of our shitty public school system. The system is free thus providing the parents with the opportunity to acquire boats and other toys for their own amusement instead of using the funds to privately,and excellently, educate their children. Urgent, therefore, to support and extol our public schools which by every measure are shitty.
I caught you lying and proved it.
I love these wingers at Althouse who are determined to prove YOU LIED! YOU'RE A LIAR! It's not enought that they just disagree with you, you have to be a liar. I get the same thing in the political threads. It's always the same knuckleheads, too.
The smarter wingers may not be able to stand your politics and are certain you're wrong but at least they have more class than to call you a liar.
They watch movies at the White House all the time. When Barack isn't shooting skeet, that is.
Move those goalposts! Original topic: appropriateness of First Lady presenting Oscars.
We'll put you down as the Robert Bork of the Althouse comments.
phx said...
Here's a list of Reagan's meeting with celebrities (from the Reagan Library). There is nothing new under the sun, except for the extremism of the GOP these days.
It is one thing for someone to come to the White House and be congratulated for an achievement or to lend their name to an initiative.
It is quite another to go from a position of respect and status to pandering to the mob.
phx knows the difference, he just needs to take the Willie Defense for Lefty bad behavior..
Reagan never partied with JayZ and Beyonce, though.
@phx: It's not enought that they just disagree with you, you have to be a liar.
Disagreement is one thing. Lying is a whole other thing.
garage cited data he claimed supported his point, and he presented it dishonestly, and I caught him doing it. This is not the same thing as a disagreement.
Those military personnel were not ordered to be there. They were just the people who happened to be hanging out with Michelle Obama at the time when she had to step away to do the announcement. Because Michelle and Barack Obama hang out a social occaisions with the rank and file military people all the time, don'tcha know...
Disagreement is one thing. Lying is a whole other thing.
I know. Just like I "moved the goalposts."
What liars we are.
@phx:We'll put you down as the Robert Bork of the Althouse comments.
Who are you snarking for? It only works when the bulk of the audience is already on your side and doesn't actually want to listen to your opponent.
Here it's the other way around.
Hah! I'm an inner city public school teacher and I sent my daughter to Catholic schools for 12 years. To do otherwise would have been parental mal-practice. At least in the inner city of the city where I live. Nuns with sticks and the aility of some to out pitch professional baseballers. Not for nothing can they curve erasers to hit you with them! Public chools worked better when we beat them for minor rules infractions.
Why were military personnel used as props for an entertainment industry awards show?
Because we are ALL just props in the important fabulous lives of the Obamas.
Get used to it.
Military personnel were there because Michelle was carrying the nuclear football--Barack being out on the DL and all.
They're like children in Piaget's earliest stages of moral development. They can't wait to point the finger and stamp their feet when they think they got you! See how you grownups lie!
Then it's off to their nap.
@phx:Just like I "moved the goalposts."
Yes, you did. It's a rhetorical tactic, not quite rising to the level of dishonesty.
@phx:They're like children in Piaget's earliest stages of moral development.
More name-calling. Pointless.
You're just flinging feces at the red monkeys, not actually arguing for or against anything.
Yes, you did. It's a rhetorical tactic, not quite rising to the level of dishonesty.
I'm so glad we have an honorable and fair-minded grownup taking account of my malfeasances.
Snark snark.
phx is doing the Ritmo dance now.
This is when a troll should know he's lost.
Gabe here is a quote from the Stanford Study on charter schools since you seemed challenged to find the link" On average, charter schools are not performing as well as their traditional public-school peers, according to a new study that is being called the first national assessment of these school-choice options. The study, conducted by the Center for Research on Education Outcomes at Stanford University, compared the reading and math state achievement test scores of students in charter schools in 15 states and the District of Columbia—amounting to 70 percent of U.S. charter school students—to those of their virtual "twins" in regular schools who shared with them certain characteristics. The research found that 37 percent of charter schools posted math gains that were significantly below what students would have seen if they had enrolled in local traditional public schools. And 46 percent of charter schools posted math gains that were statistically indistinguishable from the average growth among their traditional public-school companions. That means that only 17 percent of charter schools have growth in math scores that exceeds that of their traditional public-school equivalents by a significant amount.
Glenn Reynolds comments on his blog:
And isn’t it interesting that Obama, who let people die in an Islamist takeover in Benghazi, had his wife present an award for a movie about rescuing people from an Islamist takeover in Iran."
You're just flinging feces at the red monkeys, not actually arguing for or against anything.
I am usually just as interested in the way people argue as the content of their argument, that is true Gabriel.
What's next, his highness Obama in Louis XIV attire? :-))
You asked for it.
@roesch-voltaire:Gabe here is a quote from the Stanford Study on charter schools since you seemed challenged to find the link"
Not the study at issue, garage's was about Milwaukee public schools and voucher schools.
Happy to take a look at it, and compare your characterization of the study with what it actually says.
None of that changes that garage lied about the study he linked to.
Let's see...schools across the country have been caught "teaching the test." Let's say that charter schools do ot. Is a 5% difference significant then?
phx is doing the Ritmo dance now.
Hey edutcher. Nice to see you too. When are you going to get a real political philosophy that you can get behind btw?
In what way was it inappropriate? The Obamas have completed off the merger of Hollywood with the Democratic party. I'm surprised Ms. Obama didn't appear in person with President Obama being piped in on video from the White House ala 1984.
What better for the reality-based community than to have it's movie icons and political icons together in one program, celebrating their domination of the masses through fiction? Mutual adoration at it's best.
Somehow this surprises you?
Somehow this surprises you?
What I was asking for is someone to articulate a principle that indicates it's inappropriate for the 1st Lady to make a presentation at the Oscars. Pretty simple really.
I have one, phx; the question is when are you? I see you still have to live down all you accommodation during the campaign.
PS Too good to keep:
British PM bans Moochelle from G8.
The message was that Michelle is in her Mansion attended by the Military that has all of the drones. No one else has any.
That reminds me of Governor's mansion at Williamsburg where the walls were solid British Military muskets from floor to ceiling.
The message is the same. Obama is our Royal Governor.
your accommodation.
Sorry, I was laughing too hard at phx' lame Ritmoesque comeback.
This is our land. A land of peace and of plenty. A land of harmony and hope. This is our land. Obamania. These are our people. The workers, the strivers, the builders. These are our people. The builders of our world, struggling, fighting, bleeding, dying. On the streets of our cities and on the far-flung battlefields. Fighting against the mutilation of our hopes and dreams. Who are they?
Here's a list of Reagan's meeting with celebrities (from the Reagan Library).
Using Reagan as your foil makes little sense because Reagan was an actor.
It would be like crying foul if a President Jack Kemp showed up in Canton, Ohio for the Hall of Fame weekend.
There's a fitting congruence.
I could care less if Presidents meet with celebrities. Nixon, Elvis, whatever.
If she gave out the award for Best Actress because she wants to demonstrate positive role models for women like Jennifer Lawrence or whatever? Fine.
Hey, look this child obesity documentary won. Let's get Michelle Obama to give out the award. Sure, I guess so — it makes sense.
But this Best Picture business is uncanny.
traditionalguy said...
The message was that Michelle is in her Mansion attended by the Military that has all of the drones. No one else has any.
That reminds me of Governor's mansion at Williamsburg where the walls were solid British Military muskets from floor to ceiling.
I thought that was the "keep and bear arms for a well-regulated militia". Like the armouries at Lexington and Concord.
I'm not sure which of my devastating comebacks was "Ritmoesque", or even what that means. I gather it's bad for me though!
@rv: The Stanford study found that CMO schools, on the average, perform about the same as the public schools. They note that the quality of CMO schools is variable and that it is difficult to replicate one school's performance at another school.
Now the snippet you quote is that replicated in the popular media, but the executive summary section which includes that statement puts it differently: "Two thirds of CMOs start new schools that are of the same or slightly better quality as the existing portfolio." But overall they are not significantly different, as the executive summary also acknowledges: "CMOs on average are not dramatically better than non-CMO schools in terms of their contributions to student learning. The difference in learning compared to the Traditional Public school alternatives for CMOs is -.005 standard deviations in Math and .005 in reading; both these values are statistically significant, but obviously not materially different from the comparison."
Now, if you care to argue that the study shows charter schools are no better than public schools, I agree that this is good evidence of that.
If you choose, however, to argue that it proves charter schools are "failures" compared to public schools, you'd be lying, like garage did.
Why were military personnel used as props for an entertainment industry awards show?
The Obama legacy... everything but govern.
If she gave out the award for Best Actress because she wants to demonstrate positive role models for women like Jennifer Lawrence or whatever? Fine.
Here's what I think EMD: she did it because Hollywood wanted it and it was a payback from the Obama's. This stuff happens all the time in other industries and with other lobbyists and contributors I presume. Most industries don't have the corner on prime time network broadcasts however.
Payback from the Obamas, and I don't see what's especially inappropriate about it. It's not like Jack Nicholson is getting a plum job at the EOC.
There was zero reason for someone with zero professional ties to Hollywood to present the Best Picture award. I looked this up, and the last time that happened was in 1938 with Jack Roosevelt.
And at least he had some film experience, having had a failed movie production at one time. The Obama's, though: Zero.
Let me make clear, however, that my objection is about tradition, not politics. If this were Laura Bush, it would be equally inappropriate (the only difference being that Hollywood would never dream of inviting a Bush to their events). There is a legitimately apolitical objection to Mrs. Obama announcing that winner.
Here is what I've got so far: Michelle Obama presented an Academy Award to someone! THAT BITCH! And she had military people in the background... THAT BITCH!!!!!
You don't even see how silly you look on this.
Oh well. Not my problem.
Just wait until March madness kicks in and ABC/ESPN again go wall to wall with obama's bracket selections (like they've done every year since his first election as President).
And the first year he basically just picked all the higher seeded teams! How useless. I don't know if they got any more interesting after that.
Let me make clear, however, that my objection is about tradition, not politics.
Fair enough, but whose traditions? Hollywood's? Or the White House traditions?
If it's Hollywood's traditions you care about, then you are probably the only person who does. If it's the White House traditions that make you anxious, get over it. That floodgate was opened when Nixon went on Laugh In.
Sock it to phx.
That means that only 17 percent of charter schools have growth in math scores that exceeds that of their traditional public-school equivalents by a significant amount.
"If just one life is saved..."
Why were military personnel used as props for an entertainment industry awards show?
What better way to depict royalty than with a palace guard as your backdrop?
(Althouse Lefty Tweets)
So, The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect?
The secret is to move from translation, to direct thought, to automatic response. No need for self-discipline. Language coming from here
[the larynx]
Syme: , not from here
[the brain]
"Media silent......as is the usual case."
sonicfrog said...
Here is what I've got so far: Michelle Obama presented an Academy Award to someone! THAT CUNT! And she had military people in the background... THAT CUNT!!!!!
You don't even see how silly you look on this.
Oh well. Not my problem.
Fixed...
Methadras weighing in with his psychiatric problems. Just on time.
Aridog said:
To be specific those uniform as called "Mess Dress" or "Evening Dress" (USMC) and yes, they are the military equivalent of a formal coat & tails for evening wear at formal, usually celebratory, occasions. Note that the medals, when worn, are of the half size type, not full sized nor ribbon symbols.
Just for clarity's sake, though ~ those were ALL US Army dress uniforms behind her during the whole ghastly thing.
Not a single Marine in blues did I see and praise Jesus.
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