“I’m leaving the Senate now, but I’m not leaving the fight. I’ve decided to join The Heritage Foundation at a time when the conservative movement needs strong leadership in the battle of ideas....”Which implicitly says something about the Senate and the future of the GOP (and the tea party within it).
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DeMint quits.
He'd already said he wasn't running for reelection, but his term wasn't up until 2017.
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Primary challenges it what it said. I wonder who the governor will appoint.
Everybody's getting way over-excited because one party won the elections in 2012.
That party lost in 2010 and will lose again in the future.
Everybody calm down!
Republicans just have to figure out how to pass the "shit test" (see Heartiste) the Julias of America are running on them.
For the pick up artist, the first rule when confronted with a Julia pulling a shit test is... make it clear that you don't really care whether you get into her pants!
Politics is incestuous. DeMint heads up an institute where the Minority Head's wife works. I'm sure it's all for the good of the Country.
So what is So. Carolina law? Four years seems a long time for an appointee to fill the seat. Is there eventually a special election to fill it? No doubt those who lamented the cost of the recalls here in WI will be harping about that as well.
Awaiting an announcement from Alvin Greene....
If what I saw is right, the election was due in 2014, so there'll be a placeholder (appointed by the governor) until then.
McConnell says that DeMint has had a distinguished career. Really? What's he done?
Take it from another angle. It's nice to see long term pols retire before they are in their 80's. I've always thought congressional term limits were the best way to reduce costs of campaigns. Now if Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer would volunteer to sit on the beach....
He'll be missed. One of the true good guys.
But Shout is right. Read Ann Coulter's column about how the vote (if you believe the stats) wasn't as gloomy for the republicans as the media wants everybody to believe.
Saunter on over to Professor Jacobson (sorry, Madame) and search on Operation Demoralize.
"McConnell says that DeMint has had a distinguished career."
-- He's been in the Senate long enough to run for president, so, there's that. It is just standard boiler plate.
"Which implicitly says something about the Senate and the future of the GOP (and the tea party within it)."
Yes, but, between the Republican Party and the Senate, it probably says more about our nation's broken politics and governance. Finally, it probably says, most of all, that given how he wants to live his life, he'd rather be at Heritage than in the Senate.
In some ways, Heritage can have greater influence in shaping the future debate than the Senate, which is mostly reactionary.
Tim, however influential Heritage may be, I don't see what it does for DeMint, or he for it.
The guy seems like a pretty good politician, but I don't see him as a thinker hoping for a better outlet for his ideas.
It's nice to see long term pols retire before they are in their 80's.
Or even 70s. Complete agreement.
You should bail when your term expires, however, not 1/3rd of the way in.
McConnell says that DeMint has had a distinguished career. Really? What's he done?
Not get caught in some sex scandal?
I'm guessing this has to do with inside politics, namely, the Senate trying to be a team and reach compromises. So, DeMint bails so he doesn't have to jeopardize his convictions and doesn't stand in the way of a compromise the other parties can reach.
Which, by the way, is awkward, since Reid won't even bring the President's plan to a vote. Frankly, after that, I could also see this as DeMint's reasoning: "This whole Senate is a farce."
MadisonMan said...
McConnell says that DeMint has had a distinguished career. Really? What's he done?
He's had a career full of opposing big gov't spending. With that kind of career, like Ron Paul had, you don't end up with a lot of bills or buildings named after you. If we had a lot more DeMInts, we would not be the brokest country that ever existed.
He simply realizes that the Democrats have the power now, and will collect the graft that he had been collecting.
For those who still think the Tea Party is a grassroots movement of regular folks:
"Armey received an $8 million buyout to step down as chairman of FreedomWorks at the end of last month, but the dispute between him and the group’s president, Matt Kibbe, is still straining the organization."
$8 million just to get rid of one leader. Any group with that kind of money to throw around is in no way a grassroots movement.
But we knew that, after Koch brothers' "Americans for Prosperity*" and other billionaires have been funding Tea Party activities with millions of dollars.
The same Tea Party that "hates the UN more than they like to help disabled people".
* - A more accurate name for "Americans for Prosperity" is "Americans for Austerity."
Link for the story about the $8 million Tea Party buyout of Armey's contract:
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/dick-armey-freedomworks-president-clashed-over-book-deal-84599.html
Here's something that is happening, but it is invisible to everybody...
Somewhere, deep in the bowels of the minds of kids... the next rebellion against entrenched authority and orthodoxy is already well under way. You just can't see it yet. It's coming!
Democrats are now The Man! They are the undisputed authorities.
We're already well on our way toward the overthrow of that authority. The rebellion of the kids against entrenched authority is an eternal process.
Some years or decades from now, the rebellion against our Democratic liberal rulers will surface and overturn today's orthodoxy!
I guarantee it!
More like jumping ship before it sinks. He sees the place is manned by lunatics, thieves and cowards. Nobody is gonna like being held responsible for what's coming, and likely nobody will, but wasting time being one of the ignored ones yelling "turn the ship" is worthless. He doesn't want anything to do with being part of what will become a historically shameful period of government.
BTW, I didn't vote for this disaster.
Alpha: Do you ever pay attention to the amount of salaries/payouts that go on within left-wing grassroot organizations?
For those who still think the Tea Party is a grassroots movement of regular folks:
Complete strawman, Alpha.
Nobody on any side has pledged to remain poor and powerless, in order to receive your approval.
De Mint? Is that "French" for surrender monkey?
I'll give him credit for knowing that the Senate is no longer a relevant legislative body...in fact is is rapidly making the House irrelevant as well. Neither can pass a budget to save their asses, can't even agree on Barry O's Executive Budget. Welcome to autocracy.
Nice to see that Alpha Lib is right on top of things.
Aridog: They can't agree because they can't be bothered to even talk about it, officially.
Tim, however influential Heritage may be, I don't see what it does for DeMint, or he for it.
The guy seems like a pretty good politician, but I don't see him as a thinker hoping for a better outlet for his ideas.
I suspect its not about "thinking" as much as running the organization, the business elements that his political capital can help with.
Interesting. DeMint was never that impressive. Tom Coburn is as conservative, but he is smarter and a more effective spokesman for limited government. So is Mike Lee. Of course DeMint is staying in DC like they all do. You can't keep the boys on the farm after they have seen Paris.
In case some don't get my autocracy remark...it is simply this:
Continuing Resolutions allow the Executive Branch to spend 95% of the prior years spending total however it sees fit...no outside input necessary. Congress always provides more than the 5% shortfall, by geometrically larger spot appropriations for favored efforts....which makes the next year's "95%" eve larger.
It really shouldn't be necessary to have been a "Fed" or military soul to understand this bug/feature. Politicians love it, both parties, all parties,...LOVE IT...no template for accountability, Soiee Piggy!!
AlphaLiberal said...
For those who still think the Tea Party is a grassroots movement of regular folks:
"Armey received an $8 million buyout to step down as chairman of FreedomWorks at the end of last month, but the dispute between him and the group’s president, Matt Kibbe, is still straining the organization."
It's an organization built to carry out a particular function. How does that make it not grass roots?
But you can bet Alpha thinks the Democrat Party is.
He's had a career full of opposing big gov't spending.
And yet Big Govt spending continues. So was he effective?
I wonder: How many Big Govt spend-a-thons that benefited South Carolina did he oppose.
"The guy seems like a pretty good politician, but I don't see him as a thinker hoping for a better outlet for his ideas."
We really don't know, do we?
I'm guessing (and not wildly, either) the Senate, rent with mediocre minds chasing seniority and majority rule, does an excellent job of stamping out thinkers.
How else to explain the inexplicable power of Harry Reid, a mediocrity's mediocrity?
Tim, consider the case of Daniel Moynihan. He didn't seem to believe that he had more influence outside the Senate than in it.
I suppose it's possible that he just wanted the lobbyist-provided booze, tho.
"But you can bet Alpha thinks the Democrat Party is."
Right.
Because all those Tea Party rallies?
Full of people paid to be there, or otherwise demanding transfer payments from the Government.
The Democrat Party?
Nothing but honest to God, true-blue Americans seeking to expand the promises of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" through smaller, limited government.
No welfare queens, no rent-seeking corporations, no cohorts seeking race-based favoritism, no constituencies demanding "spreading the wealth around" dependency-fostering transfer payments.
Nope. Not at all. No party of leaches, those Democrats.
lol.
Trolls.
You gotta admire Alpha for peddling this bullshit that conservatives have to pledge themselves to poverty and failure, or ban themselves from the political process.
Yeah, that makes sense, Alpha!
"Tim, consider the case of Daniel Moynihan. He didn't seem to believe that he had more influence outside the Senate than in it."
Sure.
But Moynihan was something of a force, both by intellect and personality - especially compared to his contemporaries - but even then, I do not recall him having, in the end, much influence in that not-so-august body (admittedly, it's been some time, so I may have forgotten his contributions).
"And yet Big Govt spending continues. So was he effective?"
Of course not.
It requires a sea-change in the electorate; it is far too big a task for one man, even one president.
But the Democrats have masterfully fostered dependency and, having now captured health care, the end of limited government is gone.
Forward!
So, Alpha, I gotta ask the obvious question.
Do you really think that conservative white men are going to drop out of the political process because you keep shaming them for existing?
AlphaLiberal said..."For those who still think the Tea Party is a grassroots movement of regular folks..."
I posted on that story the other day, and we had a long discussion of it. You might want to check that out before dropping in here and posing as if you're informing us of something we've been ignoring.
Because otherwise you come across as dickish.
Thanks to Chip S. for linking to the old post I referred to.
MadisonMan said...
He's had a career full of opposing big gov't spending.
And yet Big Govt spending continues. So was he effective?
No one was effective. But he fought the good fight.
Gov't ... grows. A reminder of why democracy and voting are way overrated.
One thing we can thank Heritage for is ObamaCare. Nice work fellas. Thanks!
"Everybody's getting way over-excited because one party won the elections in 2012"
Actually that party only maintained the status quo, including losing a lot of races to Republicans.
Tim,
Moynihan killed Hillarycare. He chaired the Senate Finance Committee at the time and refused to bring it to committee. Moynihan was a great liberal. Obama and Hillary couldn't carry his jock.
It's hilarious that garage mahal thinks that any health-insurance mandate is equivalent to Obamacare.
mccullough said...
"Tim,
Moynihan killed Hillarycare. He chaired the Senate Finance Committee at the time and refused to bring it to committee. Moynihan was a great liberal. Obama and Hillary couldn't carry his jock."
I had forgotten that. I remember Pete Stark (and asshole's asshole, but for other reasons) killing it in the House.
And yes, I don't think there is any modern liberal who could carry Moynihan's jock.
Both DeMint and current president of Heritage on Rush at 12:35 EST
"McConnell says that DeMint has had a distinguished career."
Hillary!esque.
Summary: blah blah blah
Perhaps it's time for a Conservative "Progressive Party". However, this time, a party based on principles, rather than reactive positions. The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution provide reasonable guidance for its establishment.
Because otherwise you come across as dickish.
You are so damn fucking correct in your manners.
I think it's adorable.
Hey, this kinda gets Lindsey Graham off the hook.
Stick a fork in it... the Tea Party is done.
I might be premature to say this and assign failure to the Tea Party movement, but i don’t think so. To anyone standing on the outside looking in, I think it’s pretty obvious the movement, such as it is, has run out of steam.
But why did the movement fail?
In my opinion, it’s the same reason why a CEO would fail as a President, and why you can never run a democratic / republican government as a business. In both those cases, a CEO and by that regard, a business, has total control over the direction of the company – the direction is set from the top down, something like a dictatorship. That doesn’t mean that the head honcho SHOULD act as a dictator, but the decision making process starts at the top and works its way down. This isn’t true of our government. Even though they sometimes seem weak, and the President sometimes seems to have so much power, the core of decision making power in our government still lies with the congress. Unless your party not only has a majority in both houses AND has the Presidency AND has a specific ideological unity that is very rare, there will still need to be compromise in order to get things done. Generally, only shocking events such as the 9/11 attacks or JFK’s assassination ever got Congress to act… Well… In congress! Even Lincolns Republicans were not all on board with his proposed plans to end slavery. The Tea Party never got this. They always viewed things monolithically, with a business plan overlayed on a government chart. It’s like trying to put a large square peg into a small round whole. It was destined to fail.
Compromise is not a dirty word. A government such as ours can’t operate without it. The Tea Party died because it looked at that word as if it were a four letter one. This, to me, is odd. They claim to be the true historians concerning the Constitution, yet there was always this huge blind spot – the Constitution of the United States is a document born of great compromise. Compromise led to the bicameral Congress, to its adoption and ratification by several of the southern Colonies, and even to the eventual inclusion of the Bill Of Rights.
I'll give him credit for knowing that the Senate is no longer a relevant legislative body...
It's not/ Seems to me it's pretty relevant, as it is still a part of one of the three branches of government set in place by the constitution. You or i might not like the happenings within that branch, but it's lack of ability to get things done... Doesn't that bottleneck make it even more relevant?
-- He's been in the Senate long enough to run for president, so, there's that.
That's a low bar Matthew. The current occupant of the White House wasn't a senator a whole term. Started campaigning for President before the paint was dry on his senate office walls.
mccullough said...
Interesting. DeMint was never that impressive. Tom Coburn is as conservative, but he is smarter and a more effective spokesman for limited government. So is Mike Lee. Of course DeMint is staying in DC like they all do. You can't keep the boys on the farm after they have seen Paris
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DeMint is unfortunately in the wing of Republicans of waning national influence..namely those that:
1. Say that they are fiscal conservatives but spend like drunken sailors while their true love is social issues like ensoulment and Personhood at conception and abortion rape politics.
2. That group of blind Grover Norquistians that thought nothing was wrong with Denny Hasterts spending sprees, Bushs unfunded 2 trillion dollar neocon wars of adventure and nation-building, or his unfunded 17 trillion new entititlement for free Big Pharma drugs to seniors. Just as long as EVIL taxes were not raised to pay for any of it.
In 2001 they had Reagan dogma that tax cuts created all the growth and jobs of the Reagan era 20 years back. But 11 years into tax cuts for the Hero Job Creators and Economy Growers - no net private sector jobs, negligable economic growth, huge Bush-Obama debt.
America is turning a page on those high spending but no new taxes Voodoo days.
Even the Tea Party has people rethinking coupling no new taxes to high spending social conservatives that want Hastert-DeLay feeding troughs and extreme Fundie abortion politics after the O'Donnell, Akin, Angle, etc. debacles.
And Boehner is purging "no compromise, more spending on conservative dreamlist items, no tax cuts for the rich Jobs Creators Forever!!" extremists from the budget committee.
The Tea Party died.
On what planet, sonicshmuck? There is a good chance the Republican Party will go the way of the Whigs precisely because it is committed to compromising with you marxists. But guess what, the party that rises from the ashes of the Republican Party, whatever it calls itself, Tea Party or Patriot Party, will be unapologetically conservative and in your filthy lefty face. Watch and learn, you statist puke.
"DeMint Quits"
Pussy
Erratum - no (end to) tax cuts for the rich Jobs Creators, Forever!!" extremists from the budget committee.
Seems to me it's pretty relevant
Can't pass a budget.
Utterly irrelevant.
This country is fucked anyways. I couldn't care less what happens.
Way to go America. You decided that you couldn't be adults and wanted daddy to take care of you.
I will have to remind my kids of what a great country we used to be. Because we are shitty as hell right now.
Reality:
The American public:
1.No longer believes that tax cuts for the rich grows the economy or creates jobs.
2. Believes that government must check the wealthy from the sort of scandals that have plagued, particularly the NYC bankers - for 30 years.
3. No longer sees the private sector economy as safe for them to work in without a substantial government safety net in place.
4. Has come to believe, with no little boost from Bush, Giuliani, and the post 9/11 Republican neocons and military adventure lovers - that the true heroes of America are government workers in uniform or teaching and collecting a government paycheck. Not in the private sector. Where Republicans that do worship the provate sector people never mention the workers - only the Hero Owners and CEOs they gush over.
This is a definite pick up for democrats. You never know which way South Carolina is going to vote.
This is a tremendous loss for the senate but a huge coup for Heritage. What do all those "think tanks" make or build and who props them up financially?
They all hate DC but they stay there and make money after they leave the senate.
Why doesn't he go home to beautiful South Carolina?
I think it’s pretty obvious the movement, such as it is, has run out of steam.
You ought to tell that to Ted Cruz.
Jennifer Rubin totally dumps on the guy: Good riddance, Mr. DeMint
"He has contributed more than any current senator to the dysfunction of that body."
Ricpic said:
On what planet, sonicshmuck? There is a good chance the Republican Party will go the way of the Whigs precisely because it is committed to compromising with you marxists. But guess what, the party that rises from the ashes of the Republican Party, whatever it calls itself, Tea Party or Patriot Party, will be unapologetically conservative and in your filthy lefty face. Watch and learn, you statist puke.
Ric... If the Republican party does die, so be it. I doubt it will happen. It survived before the Tea Party, and it will probably survive after. That said, the party that emerges from the ashes, if it is compose of only Tea Party patriots, will be way too small to control anything or have much political power in Washington. More than likely what will happen is that the new major party that emerges will have shed the social issues that alienate so many, and like the Republican party when it was first born, will attract X number of constituents from the other major party that would have been Republicans had that party not worked so damned hard to alienate them in the first place.
I'm not making a prediction that the Republican party is going to die. But if it did, as you suggest, this is probably what the end result would be.
PS - Marxsist? Statist? Lefty?... Really?
Can you be more unoriginal? You obviously have no idea who I am, or what my political leanings actually are. BTW, you might want to call yer office. Mark Levine is pissed and might just sue you for stealing one of his rants!
Jay... On Ted Cruz. I have nothing but respect for the guy. But lets face it. He won in a very safe gerrymandered district, as did most of the Tea Partyers who either won or retained their seats in the last election. 2010 was special in electoral terms because a lot of Republicans won in districts that either had not gone republican in the past, or they defeated established Republican incumbents. Tea Party pundits became over-confident in their assessment of the power of the movement. Tea Party movement, at it's birth, seemed radical and daring. It was a breath of fresh air that the Conservative side needed. Unfortunately, the movement got co-opted by the radical side of the Conservative base, and now you are starting to see the results.
Cedarford you anti-semetic retard:
That has to be one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. Do you honestly believe that American citizens think "the true heroes" are the surly DMV clerk and the TSA goon groping their children?
Of course you do, you clinically ignorant. But I'm surprised you expect anyone else to buy your bullshit.
Shalom
The Republicans will morph into what the "Conservative" party in Britain is: a party that subscribes to all of the ideology of leftism, but just suggests that maybe a *little* bit more fiscal restraint is necessary to keep the creaking socialist ship of state afloat.
By doing this they will attract a certain number of white voters who are put off by the social conservatism of the current Republican party, but aren't quite on board with the whole far-left Democratic agenda. Republicans will never get significant numbers of non-white voters, who can get the pure revenge-on-the-whites socialism they want much better from Democrats.
Of course the Republicans will lose the votes of the more socially conservative and race-conscious whites (like me) by doing so. They will have to do a fine balancing act of trying to convince people like me that they're the least bad option, even if all they can offer me is weak "fiscal soundness" platitudes. But people like me won't buy it. They have nothing to offer. I won't participate any more, because to participate in an electoral system that has been permanently rigged against my people by flooding the country with non-whites who will never vote for my side is simply to legitimize the farce and to offer myself for humiliation by the Left who can then claim that I have nothing to complain about because I had a chance to vote...in their rigged elections.
No, people like me - white men who don't intend to be used as cash cows and whipping boys by the Left - have and will leave the political fray and begin looking at alternatives for survival of their people and way of life.
If the Left is clever, they will keep their demonization and exploitation of white men as subtle as possible so as to avoid waking too many of us up while our proportion of the population is still larger than, say, white South Africans are of theirs. Then they might be able to milk us and enjoy scapegoating us all the way down to the point that we're a helpless fragment like the Christians or Jews in Iraq.
But if they can't resist lording it over us, rubbing our faces in it, persecuting and robbing us too obviously (and I don't think they can), they are going to wake a critical mass of us up and then there is going to be a whole new ballgame. And it won't be played out in election booths.
Tea Party is alive and well in Michigan. Busting unions with no debate, no hearings, no public input, and pepper spraying people who disagree. Their idea of "freedom".
sonicfrog said...
On Ted Cruz. I have nothing but respect for the guy. But lets face it. He won in a very safe gerrymandered district
How exactly do you gerrymander a statewide election? Sometimes you have to evaluate those talking points before using them.
The fewer Tea Party people associated with the continuing (and mushrooming) failure, the better for them.
And to Cedarford and Sonic,
Tax cuts to the rich does add jobs and tax increases reduces them, all other things being equal. I can tell you first hand, as someone who has created many jobs in the last 3 years, that my own plans to hire a bunch more this year and next changed overnight early last month. Trickle down is not a theory - it's the only logical direction for capital. Just like the metaphor suggests, it's a matter of gravity. The rich have nothing else to do with additional money but spend, invest, and hire. All exactly the same as what the government claims it will do with the money but never does without enormous waste and graft. And, who do you think really knows how to do those things efficiently, citizens with their own money - who by definition are already proven good at it - or Congress with other peoples money, who are already proven failures at it? Stop being suckers for old failed collectivist lies.
I never thought that passing the hot potato on to the next guy was something to be bummed about. Take it Dems. You broke it - now ride it.
the true heroes of America are government workers in uniform or teaching and collecting a government paycheck
Well said!! You've outdone yourself with your sarcasm!! Especially the bit about teachers!! Heroes? Bwahahahaha!1
I never thought that passing the hot potato on to the next guy was something to be bummed about. Take it Dems. You broke it - now ride it.
They'll be glad to. And when things don't turn out as well as they promised or expected, you know who they'll blame? Racist white men. Will they change their approach? Will they decide that maybe socialism doesn't work after all? Nope. They'll double down on it and then double down again. Because socialism is the way that their constituents get what they want in life - free stuff paid for by "the rich and privileged."
I think some folks think that when the Democrats drive the country down into the mire that that means a resurgence of conservatism or perhaps the rise of libertarianism. But the Democrats are changing us into a Latin American craphole like the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, or Mexico. That kind of country does not become what America used to be: free markets, honest and small government, capitalist. It becomes corrupt and poverty-stricken.
Wake up.
"I think some folks think that when the Democrats drive the country down into the mire that that means a resurgence of conservatism or perhaps the rise of libertarianism."
We're just looking for a silver lining to the inevitable. You got a better one?
The silver lining is that you can be free from worrying anymore whether the Left can be defeated in their conquest of the US government. They've won - permanently. That frees us from wasting more energy on that hopeless cause. It is kind of liberating...stop beating the dead horse of electoral politics, hoping conservatism/libertarianism can win. It can't, because of the demographic transformation into a Latin American/African country.
Instead we can, with clear eyes, direct our attention to other alternatives. After you get through the depression stage it is actually kind of invigorating to see things as they are and begin to think in new directions.
bagoh - be careful what you wish for. If the Dems get their way you will be out of a business.
President-Mom-Jeans said...
Cedarford you anti-semetic retard:
That has to be one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. Do you honestly believe that American citizens think "the true heroes" are the surly DMV clerk and the TSA goon groping their children?
Of course you do, you clinically ignorant. But I'm surprised you expect anyone else to buy your bullshit.
Shalom
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Well, leaving aside Jews at the center of the Wall Street banking corruption that has destroyed many Americans faith in capitalism overs the course of 30 years...and their role at the center of the mass immigration floodgates being opened that guarantee the US is going to have to be redistributionist. (See Emmanual Cellar, Javits, etc for their 1965 Law)
Lets start with the hero-worship of government employees Republicans and Democrats have indulged in is not the DMV worker or the black momma getting 20K a year doing data process entry at dead absolute low productivity over in the bowels of the Dept of Labor annex in Miami. But they benefit each time the cop Heroes, Firefighter Heroes, rescue Heroes and heroic nurturing teachers get a new contract. And anything the Hero military gets that isn't in other Fed employee contracts soon is.
Until we have a 2nd Civil War, burn the Constitution, have the military straighten things out and start afresh - be prepared for a minority run nation with socialist wealth redistribution.
garage mahal said...
Tea Party is alive and well in Michigan. Busting unions ...yada yada...
Care to tell where that is here in Michigan?
Do you mean in Detroit, perchance, where the administrative civil servants won't be cut...but have no issues with chopping the heads off both Fire and Police personnel?
If so, that is union on union, all Democrats, like that Common Council pig Joann Watson, lead by Council chief, "Bankrupt Pew," who wants some pay back bacon from Obama so we don't have to give up any bankrupt "jewels" ...except for the fire and police folks, of course. No worries...they gonna try to recall Mayor Bing and put another corrupt stooge in place to steal some more and spread the "gravy" around.
Carry on...as you were.
Cedarford...
Until we have a 2nd Civil War, burn the Constitution, have the military straighten things out ...
Normally I read and pass by your diatribes, they're your opinions, eh. But, today, you are just plain nuts, man. Seriously. Get help.
Care to tell where that is here in Michigan?
At the statehouse.
"bagoh - be careful what you wish for. If the Dems get their way you will be out of a business.
"I ain't no way tarred." I come too faaaaar from where I started from."
Then again, no income = no income tax.
"Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
If Bagoh20 is forced to close his business he'll be able to leave Californistan. He'd like to now, but cares for his employees and doesn't want to deprive them of their jobs.
bagoh20 - wrote mine before I saw yours... :)
"He'd like to now, but cares for his employees and doesn't want to deprive them of their jobs."
I'm still working on them, and a few are ready to go. I went to Nevada a few weeks ago and got myself an industrial real estate agent, and started looking for a location. California will lose millions in taxes when we go.
I know so many that have either already left or are definitely planning on it now. I just can't see how this this state will not go bankrupt in the near future, and the jobs will not be coming back, ever. I don't know anyone who left who ever came back. I left Pennsylvania, as a broke young man because their were no opportunities there. The people who stayed behind mostly stagnated. I learned my lesson long ago about chasing opportunity and abandoning lost causes. It's one of the secrets to success.
I'd stay in California if I thought there was any chance of them learning form their mistakes, but it just ain't gonna happen. The voters get dumber here every year.
Aridog said...
Cedarford...
Until we have a 2nd Civil War, burn the Constitution, have the military straighten things out ...
Normally I read and pass by your diatribes, they're your opinions, eh. But, today, you are just plain nuts, man. Seriously. Get help.
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You are saying a 2nd Civil War is absolutely unthinkable given current trends and perhaps America being at the "tipping point" where the takers vote outnumbers the makers vote?
And what helped drive America to it's 1861-65 War was major flaws to The Sacred Parchment. That required some big rewrites in Reconstruction and probably should have gone much further in rewrites to get rid of stuff that was already archaic..
We were the only country besides Haiti to have a destructive war over the blacks.
I think, at a certain point, even outnumbered, the "makers" will see themselves as far more powerful than the urban, parasitic masses and attempt to rectify Democracy's failure - with a military junta that would serve as Turkey's did..
Rationalize the country, and in our case disenfranchise the Sharptons and Obamaphone Mommas.
bagoh20 said...
The fewer Tea Party people associated with the continuing (and mushrooming) failure, the better for them.
And to Cedarford and Sonic,
Tax cuts to the rich does add jobs and tax increases reduces them, all other things being equal
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Baghoh20 - I'd love to agree, all other things being equal, but the fact is that the world has changed and they are not.
The ugly fact is that there was zero economic, jobs growth save in government jobs Bush and Obama created - between 2001 and 2012 - NET.
I would be all for giving the small fraction of the "Hero Jobs Creators" among the rich that actually do create new jobs tax credits for that true job creation. But also tax the hell out of, and punish those like the revered Steve Jobs that outsourced all his Apple manufacturing jobs to China.
It is true that some wealthy would and did create jobs with the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and did grow the economy, but not enough to outweigh the aggregate failure of the whole pool of rich people to grow the economy, create jobs enough to compensate for the loss in revenues that ballooned the debt - coupled with the entitlements the masses of Americans now without job security and dim prospects for career revenue growth have begun to demand.
Marshal said...
sonicfrog said...
On Ted Cruz. I have nothing but respect for the guy. But lets face it. He won in a very safe gerrymandered district
How exactly do you gerrymander a statewide election? Sometimes you have to evaluate those talking points before using them.
Marshall... I stand corrected. For some reason, my mind read Rep. Cruz instead of Senator Cruz. That said, it's not as if Texas for this election cycle was very competitive for any Democrat running for the Senate either. Of course, here in California, it's the inverse, where, with the exception of Fiorina in 2010, the Republican Party doesn't even bother giving much support for anyone who tries to unseat its two liberal Senators.
bagoh
You should move to Wisconsin! One party Tea Party rule, and allegedly the best corporate tax structure in the country. Hasn't made a lick of difference as far as companies moving to Wisconsin though, and we're still sucking wind compared to the surrounding states.
Even with everything in place, nobody wants to move their business here :(:(:(
garage mahal said...
At the statehouse.
Okay, just caught that this evening on cable news. The issue is that both houses of the legislature have passed a "right to work" bill and Gov. Snyder is going to sign it, likely tomorrow. It will not bust any current union contracts, such as those of the UAW or Teamsters, where both parties have agreed to union representation and dues deduction. it may impact future negotiations, however.
What it does do now is prevent unions such as SIEU and AFSCME, not to mention the teachers unions, from forcing diverse workers to join them without a choice. It will now be like the AFGE union for federal employees, dues deduction is voluntary if one elects to join the AFGE.
Normally I am not anti-union and recommend anyone in skilled trades join one for sure. I even favor police and fire unions having collective bargaining for wages and benefits, because very simply, police and firemen perform the first obligation of government, protect and safety assurance for the population...e.g., they have a right to negotiate with taxpayers. All the rest of government service workers are administrative or functional infrastructure workers, with the majority being administrative, and they are NOT necessary if push comes to shove....they should be paid on a scale set by the taxpayers' representative.
Right now, in Detroit, the police and fire members are taking a beating and severe reduction, 20+ % recently on top of previous reductions, because the city can do it while it won't or can't do it to the bureaucrats. Detroit is a corrupt political swamp and those left there refuse to accept effective leaders.
My vested interest is my daughter, a professional, who has moved in to the city center and likes it...likes it a lot. Reducing police and fire protection really pisses me off when the City Hall-City/County Bldg is jam packed with bureaucratic slugs....who serve almost no one.
DeMint has no honor.
(Following Glenn Reynold's suggestion, DeMint's taxes for his job at Heritage should double.)
Even with everything in place, nobody wants to move their business here :(:(:(
You'd be surprised at how many CEOs are lactose-intolerant.
Cedarford said:
Until we have a 2nd Civil War, burn the Constitution, have the military straighten things out ...
Aridog said...
Normally I read and pass by your diatribes, they're your opinions, eh. But, today, you are just plain nuts, man. Seriously. Get help.
Why are you surprised that a fascist bigot turns out to be a fascist bigot?
Fr Martin Fox said...
Cedarford said:
Until we have a 2nd Civil War, burn the Constitution, have the military straighten things out ...
Why are you surprised that a fascist bigot turns out to be a fascist bigot?
Not surprised at all. I don't generally argue with bigots, it's like peeing in to a gale force wind...you get all wet and nothing changes...e.g., cue to wrestling of a pig metaphor, etc.
However the C4 remark cited by both of us is w-a-a-a-y beyond fascist bigot in to freaking bat feces crazy territory. It is Rx: Thorazine category wacko lunacy.
I've been places that fit that mold C4 prescribes...only got worse, not better....and sometimes I was among those getting shot at. Dang! Think Egypt, Libya, and now Syria today.
Yep, abandon law, revolt and invite the military to execute a coup...that's the ticket, one that usually results in military dictatorship and laws written by the dictator, or the politburo as the case may be.
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