At least 19, according to Media Trackers. And 23 support staff.
Via Charlie Sykes, who says: "This would be the same Democrat Milwaukee County DA's office that has been conducting a nearly two year long 'secret' John Doe investigation of Republican Governor Scott Walker. The probe has been dogged by criticism of possible partisan bias, its selective prosecution, and frequent leaks."
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९७ टिप्पण्या:
Remember when we were supposed to avoid even the appearance of impropriety? Those were the days.
If Walker loses, the state is doomed.
As bagoh previously noted, no one will have the balls to go against a machine like this, which uses state money for partisan destruction.
All the average citizen can do is leave such blue states.
And they are, in droves. The blue model is dead, but it is fighting to the last.
If Walker loses, that's how Wisconsin will die, too. Slowly, slowly, then suddenly it's Detroit.
Prosecutorial indiscretion.
Oh my,
Wisconsin.
Does anyone in state government there have any thing resembling a sense of right and wrong?
Pogo is right. Not only individuals, but many small (and large?) businesses will leave the State if the unions run it for their sole benefit again.
Who will the takers take from when they have chsased the makers away?
So, which tipping point comes first: the mass realization that nearly one's state's entire governing organizations are thoroughly corrupted by entrenched, partisan Democrats; or the entrenched, partisan Democrats so irreparably harm the state it, like California, Illinois, stands no chance of recovery?
The problem we have is that most people are busy with their lives and aren't into politics and so the only news they get is from the liberal media via TV, popular culture and whatever. The liberal media only tell them of possible conflicts when it concerns Republicans. You have to be aware of something to become upset about it.
"Who will the takers take from when they have chsased the makers away?"
They'll turn on themselves. Then the question becomes, "who will be the last cannibal standing?"
Media Trackers and Charlie Sykes? That's scraping the bottom of the barrel if there ever was such a thing.
"Media Trackers and Charlie Sykes? That's scraping the bottom of the barrel if there ever was such a thing"
-- Are you saying this is not true? If so, make a case.
Or are you just sad that it is true and need to pout by attacking the speaker instead of the argument? Oelstrom has confirmed her signature. If you think this is made up, that's clearly defamation/libel/what have you. Go, make Oelstrom a very rich woman.
"Has anyone bothered to look up how many assistant DA's are in the office, and how many DIDN't sign tfor the recall?"
-- Does that matter? If they didn't sign the recall, it tells us nothing. Simply because the rest of their office didn't do something stupid should not minimize their idiocy.
Are Assistant District Attorneys in Madison unionized?
"Has anyone bothered to look up how many assistant DA's are in the office, and how many DIDN't sign tfor the recall?"
Sounds like a good job for the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel...however that paper is the recipient of the million illegal leaks regarding the DA's investigation.
Leslyn, leslyn,
No one in the D.A.'s office should be signing petitions for anything at all.
leslyn said...
Oh my.
Has anyone bothered to look up how many assistant DA's are in the office, and how many DIDN't sign tfor the recall?
No.
Not quite the point is it dear leslyn? But then goalpost relocation is a specialty of yours.
Keep on keepin on.
Sounds like a good job for the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel...however that paper is the recipient of the million illegal leaks regarding the DA's investigation.
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel and WTMJ (Charlie Sykes' employer) are both owned by the Journal Broadcast Company. What's you're point?
From what I understand, some of 'em even VOTED in the last election!!1!!
*rolls eyes*
So Charlie is bottom of the barrel Garage?
I don't recall that he accused Falk of fellating the union bosses to get their endorsement. Didn't make fun of her kids or call her a witch.
He even restrained himself from saying he heard she pulled a train.
There is a bottom of the barrel in Wisconsin, but it is, as always, on your side.
http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/talk/charliesykes/145169695.html
RICO prosecutions might work, after Obama's out.
Sounds like they are running a "fishing" operation to benefit one political party over the other and not doing their jobs.
Wisconsin continues to prove that good government is a lie, unless it means less government.
No one in the D.A.'s office should be signing petitions for anything at all.
What a ridiculous notion.
People who work for the State, or the country, as nevertheless citizens and are allowed to participate in the Democracy.
How many assistant district attorneys does it take to screw in a light bulb?
The Walker approved County civil service code, specifies that the County should not "interfere with the right of any employee in the classified service to become a member of a political club, to attend political meetings, to express his or her opinion on all political subjects, and to enjoy freedom from all interference in casting his or her vote." So, there’s that…
"People who work for the State, or the country, as nevertheless citizens and are allowed to participate in the Democracy."
Give me an f-ing break. If these were conservative DA's (an oxymoron, I know) you would be howling.
They can vote, but some jobs actually are performed better if you profess and try to achieve political neutrality. If they can't be neutral while they hold the job, get a different job.
They are supposed to cultivate public confidence.
Give me an f-ing break. If these were conservative DA's (an oxymoron, I know) you would be howling.
Evidence?
Caveat: My one experience with an assistant DA, during at trial (I was in the jury) convinces me that most are dumb as posts.
I think we now have the right to know if these folks are the ones doing the anonymous leaking on the investigation. If they are, it puts to question whether the leaks were politically calculated (they almost always are, when money doesn't change hands).
The papers reporting on the leaks owe it to their readers to assure them that they have not been receiving fruit from a poisoned tree.
I find the witch-huntery behind the who signed the recall petition more than a little disturbing. I don't give a flying fig about the politics of a reporter, or a civil servant, as long as they are doing their job to the best of their ability.
It's unfortunate that someone isn't brave enough to say, when called on the "crime" of signing the petition to state plainly that as a citizen of this state, they have every right to participate in every aspect of the Democratic Process. The Outrage Machine that is working overtime on the Right side of the Politicial Spectrum re: Signing a petition and on the Left side of the Political Spectrum re: Phony candidates in primaries can go take a leap. Or better yet, STFU.
MadisonMan: Normally, I'd agree. But, we learned from Prop 8 that signatures are a valid reason to oppose individuals in their jobs, harass their children at home and work to get them fired.
I think since we're simply saying: "Hey, these people who signed it are also in the position to do some pretty bad things, like trump up false investigations on the sitting governor to damage him politically, maybe, someone should make sure that's not happening?"
I think that's a perfectly valid thing to use the signatures for. Why should the right "unilaterally disarm" politically, after all? Now, if we actually believed the shoe would not drop harder on the other foot, maybe I could see not putting their feet to the fire. But, let's face it -- the left has not clothed themselves in glory when it comes to maturely handling dissent via public petitions.
You present a fine argument for why the signatures should not be made public.
So. Those people who didn't sign the petition: What is their position on the recall?
Go ahead, answer with 100 percent certainty in it, either way. Bet you can't.
Well, I didn't sign the petition. What's my position on the recall?
With just that bit of information, no one can tell! That's why you can't compare "people who did not sign" with "people who signed" and make the claim that the first group holds the opposite belief of the second. They may, they may not. You have no proof. Signing the petition makes a much stronger case for holding a belief than not (though, I'm sure, we can come up with other reasons people might sign it.)
People who work for the State, or the country, as nevertheless citizens and are allowed to participate in the Democracy.
The military standard is that you are allowed to participate in Democracy anonymously only.
So voting is in. Demonstrating is okay as long as you are in civilian clothes. Handing out literature, etc, is all good, as long as you don't identify yourself as military or give your name (which can be used to look up and find you are military).
That seems like good ethics.
These individuals are supposed to be investigating Scott Walker. Their signatures were used as part of the total requesting his recall, and the total number was used as Public Relations to signify a huge number. Thus, it was a violation of ethics for them to sign their name.
Aside from that, by signing their name, they have undermined Democracy by giving the understandable impression they are not able to separate their personal views from their professional views. Democracy only works if people do their best to follow the rules and standards. They only do their best to follow the rules and standards if they trust the officials, and if the officials act with good ethical sense.
People are imperfect, yes, but the only way to say this is no big deal is if you really don't think things through at all, or if you think things through but care more about liberals gaining/retaining power than you do about Democracy itself.
Flip the party labels and watch all the trolls suddenly scream, "They must resign NOW!!!!!!".
I don't recall that he accused Falk of fellating the union bosses to get their endorsement. Didn't make fun of her kids or call her a witch.
Oh please. Charlie Sykes personally led the recall of Tom Ament, pimping it for months on his radio program, and even headlined rallies. Republicans tried recalling Doyle twice, Jim Holperin twice, and 3 more Democrats last summer. To come out now with all this tailgunner shit on who signed a recall is beyond hypocrisy. They never cared a whit about someone that signed a recall against a Democrat. And notice there is no database available for people that did sign a recall against Democrats.
Aside from that, by signing their name, they have undermined Democracy by giving the understandable impression they are not able to separate their personal views from their professional views.
This impression is understandable if you think the least of people who have the audacity to hold a political opinion contrary to your own. That's a lot easier to do if you demonize them for signing. And that's what the Outrage Machine is trying to do.
Reject it!
Pogo said:
All the average citizen can do is leave such blue states.
I did, and all I can say is nothing is as beautiful as Madison in the rear view mirror. You see it for the small-minded circus town it is after living elsewhere.
I hope Walker survives the recall, but if he doesn't, he may get credit, far into the future, for being the last person to take a stand against the otherwise inexorable slide into Detroitness.
"And notice there is no database available for people that did sign a recall against Democrats."
-- You're free to start one.
"Charlie Sykes personally led the recall of Tom Ament"
-- Is that a true statement, or is that like how Limbaugh personally leads the Republican party?
What does it say that these folks don't seem to either care or are unaware of how this appears? Obviously "inside Wisconsin", this is just fine, I mean would you expect otherwise?
"Neither can you. But at least we'd have some information to weigh against this one-sided "story.""
-- That... doesn't make any sense. This story is not about an overwhelming problem in the office of corruption. It is that these specific people are acting in a way that makes people suspicious, especially piled on top of the mysterious leaks and innuendo coming out of the office as well. That's the story; are these people (leakers and signatories) the same?
This impression is understandable if you think the least of people who have the audacity to hold a political opinion contrary to your own. That's a lot easier to do if you demonize them for signing. And that's what the Outrage Machine is trying to do.
Reject it!
It's not just about HOLDING a political opinion, though, is it? It's about being a political ACTIVIST. Political activists lose the benefit of the doubt when it comes to political motivations in other aspects of their duties. Sorry if you disagree, but otherwise you are being a willing sucker, a useful idiot.
Charlie Sykes is a yakker. He has no prosecutorial powers. No one will be sent to jail because he is on a partisan witch hunt.
It's about being a political ACTIVIST. Political activists lose the benefit of the doubt when it comes to political motivations in other aspects of their duties
Riiiight. You can vote, contribute time, money, and resources without a motivation, but signing a recall paper is activism. Give me a break. How much self respect do you lose when you post something so idiotic?
It's unfortunate that someone isn't brave enough to say, when called on the "crime" of signing the petition to state plainly that as a citizen of this state, they have every right to participate in every aspect of the Democratic Process.
Your straw man assertions notwithstanding, let's not forget how we got here. We're dealing with these issues because one group decided to abuse the state's recall process instead of waiting for the normal election cycle to make their case. At this point, my response to you would be along the lines of what I've heard from those who support the recalls; "if you don't like the law, change it."
And I say this as someone who would never had considered signing a recall petition for Jim Doyle despite my extreme dislike for the man. At this point, it's hard to imagine ever going back to that way of thinking.
Charlie McCarthy, lol. The "list". "Do you or have you ever signed a recall petion?" Enemies of the state?
Riiiight. You can vote, contribute time, money, and resources without a motivation, but signing a recall paper is activism. Give me a break. How much self respect do you lose when you post something so idiotic?
The public/private distinction isn't difficult for people without a severe mental handicap to understand. I'm sorry you're having trouble with it.
The public/private distinction isn't difficult for people without a severe mental handicap to understand. I'm sorry you're having trouble with it.
Going out on a limb here, and guess you had no problem with the state's top law enforcement official, and members of our state supreme court going to tea party rallies. Correct?
Plus don't forget the Democrat party on-line fundraiser, asking people to donate money that goes to the Milwaukee DA to investigate and prosecute Governor Walker.
AA, as a law professor, what happens then? Has there ever been a case where a politician is being investigated, and the party is funding it? What happens if anything goes to court?
It's irrelevant what the "position" of the DA's who did not sign the recall petition is. Presumably they have some feelings on the matter. The point is (1) they should set those feelings aside in conducting the investigation and (2) should not publish the feelings or advocate a position.
If they can not set the predisposition aside, they should either withdraw from the case or find another job.
Going out on a limb here, and guess you had no problem with the state's top law enforcement official, and members of our state supreme court going to tea party rallies. Correct?
Well, I hold elected officials to a different standard, as they are obviously politically motivated. Nobody expects elected officials not to be politically biased. Well, you do, apparently, but there's that mental issue, so you get a pass.
There actually is a duty of neutrality in quite a few positions of trust. If you can not exercise this duty faithfully, then you should find another job.
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garage mahal said...
Going out on a limb here, and guess you had no problem with the state's top law enforcement official, and members of our state supreme court going to tea party rallies. Correct?
Watching your mental retardation in action is quite depressing.
At this point, it's hard to imagine ever going back to that way of thinking.
I hope we do eventually.
I view the whole recall thing as an (expensive) exercise in adjusting to the new paradigm. Some people find change very hard.
Recalls should be limited to react to actual criminal activity. But I'm not certain I want limitations placed on when a recall can happen. I'd like to think that eventually common sense takes over.
Going out on a limb here, and guess you had no problem with the state's top law enforcement official, and members of our state supreme court going to tea party rallies. Correct?
Did he have an ongoing investigation of the tea party at that time?
The signatures seem to reflect an office that skews well Left. My understanding is that the same is true of the full-time lawyers at the Justice department in Washington. That creates bias in the system.
Some of you are missing the point, here. Either accidentally or on purpose.
I could care less if people in the Milwaukee DA office signed the recall papers. Its their right. I also dont care how they vote. But, on the same hand, the people in that office that did sign the recall then should have no business conducting the John Doe investigation involving Walker's office as County Exec. Its a ridiculous conflict of interest.
Going out on a limb here, and guess you had no problem with the state's top law enforcement official, and members of our state supreme court going to tea party rallies. Correct?
The state's top law enforcement official and state supreme court members are elected positions. They are accountable for their actions in elections. Staffers and assistant DA's are not elected positions. They are hired positions. They are only accountable to the DA. Which explains why this is a big deal.
Riiiight. You can vote, contribute time, money, and resources without a motivation, but signing a recall paper is activism. Give me a break. How much self respect do you lose when you post something so idiotic?
Quite honestly, they shouldn't be contributing money or time, either. If people lose faith in the impartiality of non-elected officials, you have major problems.
You give up certain things with certain jobs.
My understanding is that the same is true of the full-time lawyers at the Justice department in Washington. That creates bias in the system.
It's becoming clear that what we have is a bureacracy nearly in open rebellion against its democractically elected executive. That's what I find so troubling about this recall. If Walker is ousted, then as a practical matter there is really no popular control over the government anymore.
It's becoming clear that what we have is a bureacracy nearly in open rebellion against its democractically elected executive. That's what I find so troubling about this recall. If Walker is ousted, then as a practical matter there is really no popular control over the government anymore.
I had someone tell me the other day that they feel any state employee that signed the recall should be fired if Walker is re-elected. His reasoning: how can you expect quality work from people who hate the guts of the executive in charge?
I dont necessarily agree with that stance, but it definitely makes you think about it, especially with these new revelations about the Milwaukee DA office.
The people of Wisconsin are exercising their rights under the state constitution.
I had someone tell me the other day that they feel any state employee that signed the recall should be fired if Walker is re-elected. His reasoning: how can you expect quality work from people who hate the guts of the executive in charge?
Are they then re-hired when Walker is defeated in a subsequent re-election bid?
My assumption is that most people working for the State -- or for anyone -- are too busy in their jobs to care about the Governor.
"I had someone tell me the other day that they feel any state employee that signed the recall should be fired if Walker is re-elected. His reasoning: how can you expect quality work from people who hate the guts of the executive in charge?"
That is more true than you know. I come from a family of teachers and hear the stories about what the union is telling them to do. Or more accuratly, not to do. Basically they are supposed to do the bare minimum amount of work. Things like that. Things that would get you fired if they had a real-world job.
My assumption is that most people working for the State -- or for anyone -- are too busy in their jobs to care about the Governor.
Can't tell if trolling or actually serious...
Just because they have a right to do something doesn't mean they should. Clearly those defending these actions here are ok with it because the cause is just.
Sofa King....has to be trolling. Every gov't employee I know spends wayyyy too much time standing around and bitching about not getting enough free money.
The people of Wisconsin are exercising their rights under the state constitution.
Then, of course, you would have no objection to me walking around your neighborhood with my M1911 strapped to my thigh, exercising my rights under the Federal Constitution, right?
Having a right doesn't necessarily mean that the exercise of that right is wise or desirable within certain contexts.
Wisconsin's recall is a perfect example of the exercise of rights to the point of stupidity and chaos.
I would think that any impropriety lies in whether any of the attorneys actually investigation Walker signed the petition. If none of them are involved in that matter, then I don't see an issue. Accordingly, there is a problem if any of the same attorneys who signed the petition are also involved in the investigation.
My assumption is that most people working for the State -- or for anyone -- are too busy in their jobs to care about the Governor.
You have to be kidding. Right?
Apparently you missed the time last winter when thousands of teachers across this state forced the closure of schools - some for up to a week - to camp out at the capitol.
The criminal corruption probe and legal defense fund set up by Walker: Not a big deal. The troubling part is who signed a recall petition. A recall petition against a Republican that is. Cuz I have PRINCIPLES yo.
The criminal corruption probe and legal defense fund set up by Walker: Not a big deal. The troubling part is who signed a recall petition. A recall petition against a Republican that is. Cuz I have PRINCIPLES yo.
Wow. Just...wow.
Yes, how DARE a Republican defend himself legally!! Doesn't he know that trials of republicans are the purest expression of Volksgemeinschaft, why, to defend yourself in court is an atrocity against democracy!
I had someone tell me the other day that they feel any state employee that signed the recall should be fired if Walker is re-elected. His reasoning: how can you expect quality work from people who hate the guts of the executive in charge?
That's just a terrible idea. Close advisors are political appointees, but career civil service employees shouldn't be swept out for political beliefs. That's machine politics.
The criminal corruption probe and legal defense fund set up by Walker: Not a big deal.
Jeez, Garage. We shut you down on this yesterday, didn't we?
Once again - slowly -, When Walker gets indicted, get back to us on it.
In the meantime, because he is being investigated means jack shit. See Sarah Palin. Wisconsin law allows the Governor to set up such a fund if he's under investigation. I mean, please tell me if I'm misinformed. You seem to have a problem with people retaining the best legal representation at their disposal in the course of what is simply an "investigation."
You need to get back down to Florida, garage. Join up with the lynch mob down there. They're your kind of people.
(BTW, one of the primary reasons Palin resigned was that it would have been illegal to set up a legal defense fund, in the face of what were unfounded allegations.)
Yes, how DARE a Republican defend himself legally!!
Walker is the first Wisconsin governor to have to set up a legal defense. Congrats.
Jason said...
I could care less if people in the Milwaukee DA office signed the recall papers. Its their right. I also dont care how they vote. But, on the same hand, the people in that office that did sign the recall then should have no business conducting the John Doe investigation involving Walker's office as County Exec. Its a ridiculous conflict of interest
Oh come on Jason, liberals are good!
If you assume that liberals are Good, then you assume there's no point digging into a story where liberals are accused of malfeasance. There is no point questioning their motives-- its just a great big waste of your time to do so.
The end.
garage mahal said...
Walker is the first Wisconsin governor to have to set up a legal defense.
But what about _______?
Walker is the first Wisconsin governor to have to set up a legal defense.
Point being, garage?
C'mon, man. Quit being so mysterious. It's so ill suited to you. You can't begin to pull it off.
"Walker is the first Wisconsin governor to have to set up a legal defense. Congrats."
-- So, you mean Walker is the first Wisconsin governor to be relentlessly attacked via the legal realm? Well, if it all comes to nothing (See: Palin, Sarah), then will you admit that Walker is the first Wisconsin governor to have to fend off political hatchet jobs leveled through the court system, which wasted the state's time, money and valuable resources?
Or, is having to defend oneself now proof of guilt?
Isn't it interesting who gets the presumption of innocence, and who does not?
Point being, garage?
Oh nothing. Walker will forever be a martyr to the cause, no matter what charges are filed, or not.
"Oh nothing. Walker will forever be a martyr to the cause, no matter what charges are filed, or not"
-- Filing charges are not proof of wrong doing. This is basic, Civics 101 stuff.
garage mahal, perhaps a DA should investigate those child molestation accusations against you. If you get a laywer, we can only assume that you really are a pedaphil.
Walker will forever be a martyr to the cause
First intelligent thing you've written in months, garage. I'm hoping that the above is the spark of gnosis in your Walker fevered brain that you and your ilk made made Walker a national political rallying point.
The "Cause" is in a win-win situation. If Walker wins, he will be able to do anything he can get through the legislature. If he loses, he retains martyr status, and works as a rallying point against public unionism.
At this point, it's hard to imagine ever going back to that way of thinking.
I hope we do eventually.
Unlikely.
In the words of that great statesman Russ Feingold, "This game's not over until we win."
@Mojo
Thanks for being of one of the few honest Walker supporters. You do not care if Walker is guilty of anything. Even if it's shown he is, he will still forever be a martyr. He stepped on the necks of some liberals and unions, and that's all that matters.
Walker is the first Wisconsin governor to have to set up a legal defense. Congrats.
Oh, sweet jumping Obama on a pogo stick, not this crap again. Apparently, being bitch-slapped on this yesterday did no good.
First of all, slick, I think you mean "legal defense FUND". Secondly, my point from yesterday stands - considering that your side has basically called the government slugs to engage in open rebellion against a legally-elected governor, Walker would be an utter fool not to build some sort of firewall between himself and foam-flecked lunatics like you who would happily throw him in jail for carrying 11 items in the 10 items or less line.
And why? Because he's actually trying to bring some fiscal sanity to your cold storage hellhole of a state. Remember the old H.L. Mencken quip about democracy being the way of giving the people the government they deserve good and hard? I almost hope Walker does get recalled, just to speed up the inevitable collapse.
Don't forget Sen. Ted Stevens[?] of Alaska who was tried for corruption during his reelection. He lost and later the prosecrutors were found to have committed gross misconduct. Mission accomplished anyway.
youlan takeri: Nice.
You do not care if Walker is guilty of anything.
I'll let Mojo speak for himself, but this shows how completely Queen of Hearts your slide into insanity has taken. Let me break this down into simple words so even you can understand:
IF Walker is accused of something that rises to the level of official malfesance (sorry, that's too big a word. Just replace that with really, really bad things) then he should be investigated.
IF Walker is guilty, he should be punished.
Simple enough? Or would you rather go back to your regularly scheduled shriek of SENTENCE FIRST, TRIAL AFTERWARDS!?
DAs should have the right to sign petitions, but any DA who signs one on a controversial issue should be forbidden to work on any case related to the issue. If necessary, they should get leave without pay, if it becomes too difficult to find cases they don't conflict with.
Smart DAs wouldn't sign petitions.
Abusing the DA office to go after a Republican is A-OK, but doing it to go after a Democrat is horrible and evil.
garbage - what is he guilty of?
Yeah. Stevens wasn't even exonerated while he was alive, if I recall. It wasn't until he died that the investigation resolved, and then, they got off lucky because he was too dead to rip them a new one.
That's right. A nasty legal kneecapping. How long until Sen. Stevens get's his reputation back now that he's not here to fight for it.
How long until Sen. Stevens get's his reputation back now that he's not here to fight for it.
I'm sure he's most remembered for the bridge to (almost) nowhere. Fitting.
Yeah, but at least he owns that failure.
@leslyn,
So you are perfectly fine with Justice being partisan and biased. You think it is perfectly wonderful that someone can be refused justice or fairness on the basis of political views.
If you care about justice, fairness, and the Rule of Law, you would want all organs of Justice to follow the same rules as military.
Your blase attitude toward ethical violations is despicable. You support Mob Rule, and give excuses for the worst corruption, because it benefits you politically.
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