If I understood the article correctly the bride and groom left their event to see her, not the other way around. And they were evidently thrilled to see her. She neither tried to, nor did, upstage the bride.
Are you practicing writing headlines for the MSM, Ann?
"a U.S. Marine and his new bride enjoying their wedding reception in the Pappas Room asked to get some pictures. The newlyweds now had another reason to grin from ear to ear as they were overheard saying “we’ll never forget that Sarah Palin came to our wedding”.
Per the article, Palin was in one area and the wedding party was in another. I'm sure you've all been in restaurants with similar semi-separate function halls. The couple sought her out, not the other way around. No foul. No bad etiquette.
"Did they have much choice? How could the bride have expressed unhappiness in this situation?"
Again, it appears they left their party in a back room and came out to see Palin. And Palin has never struck me as the type of person who would barge in on a wedding party. Hillary sure. Barry definitely. Palin, I don't see it. Maybe she did, but that's not what the article says.
So, yes, I'd say they had a choice.
Seriously, the guy is a US Marine. I doubt you could find many who wouldn't be thrilled to see her. And that includes the wife of one.
I don't see how it would mar "her day", but I do see how it would make it far more memorable for their guests, and I think all couples want that. I assume the woman was just as pleased as she sounds, and that she wouldn't have left her wedding reception to hit the chicken wing counter for just anyone.
If thinking deeply means reading things into the article that are not there, I guess I could come up with a dozen possible senarios.
So, yeah, if Palin had without invitation entered the back room where a private bridal party was being held for a photo op that would have been a violation of etiquette. It also would have been politically stupid.
But I don't see Palin as either rude enough to do it nor, at this stage in her political career, stupid enough to do it.
"It makes the reception that much more memorable (in a good way) for the guests, which flatters the bride."
Well, that's kind of my theory of weddings, which is why I didn't want one. If it's all about making the guests have a great time and not a boring time like all those other weddings... save your effort and money...
I think people who put on weddings are thinking about making the bride a fabulous center of attention. If another woman upstages her... it's not what that was about.
“we’ll never forget that Sarah Palin came to our wedding”.
Is that the memory the woman was hoping to lock into her permanent memory?
In the phrase "It's her day," the "her" isn't supposed to be a politician that shows up for a photo op.
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It was, by the way and don't forget, the reception. They left their reception and asked Palin for pictures. Palin didn't crash the damn wedding demanding the focus be on her. Palin went to a fairly famous local eatery to get some of the fairly famous chicken fingers and chat with some locals. That's hardly showing up for a goddam photo op. Then, while she was waiting for her food, she was accosted by a young Marine and his wife all agog and agibber that Sarah Fucking Palin was there.
"She went into the main part. The Marine and his bride were in a private room quite a ways away. They came to greet her and ask her for pictures."
I'm picturing the guests getting wind of Sarah's presence and scampering away from the wedding to get a look. That's stage 1. The bride is upset by that and the people around her try to make the lemons into lemonade or whatever.
"Palin went to a fairly famous local eatery to get some of the fairly famous chicken fingers and chat with some locals. That's hardly showing up for a goddam photo op."
It's obviously a political photo op. Give me a break. I'm not saying Palin intended to crash the wedding, but that's the way it played out.
"I'm picturing the guests getting wind of Sarah's presence and scampering away from the wedding to get a look. That's stage 1. The bride is upset by that and the people around her try to make the lemons into lemonade or whatever."
I give up. She was probably pissed. So pissed I imagine it's a wonder she didn't ask her Marine husband to snap Palin's neck like a chicken finger.
What proof do you have that it was obviously a photo op?
A couple of days ago Palin wore dark glasses and an extra shirt and a hat pulled low to run a half marathon. It's not like she's some sort of messianic figure traveling across the country in a giant black armored bus with a 40 vehicle motorcade!
Yes, she went there to get chicken and talk to people. But I don't believe she sent her advance people in to drag the Marine and his bride out to see her.
I ask you again: have you ever been to the Puritan? The Marine and his bride had to actually leave their private room. It's not like they were just at a table in the back.
I don't see how famous people can avoid all possible places where a wedding reception might be occurring. So you can't blame Palin for being near a wedding reception, or for the reaction of people at the venue.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew) I will say that IF Palin gets in and gets the nod, Althouse will NOT be voting for her? Someone said it best, “She sticks your craw.” Palin just sticks in Althouse’s craw and so the Althouse demographic is a write-off for Palin in 2012, that’s for sure….
Let’s try one more tack here, Althouse, IF the bride were upset, don’t you think she could have found a sympathetic blogger/journalist upon which she could unload her “ire?” After all it’s not like people who hate Palin aren’t a dime-a-dozen.
She showed up at an open restaurant for dinner, she wasn't at their wedding. They seemed to have come out to see her and been happy she was there. So I would say no. Not at all.
Is that the memory the woman was hoping to lock into her permanent memory?
There are a lot worse memories that happen at wedding receptions to lock into your memory. (Your bridesmaid or best man passing out or falling down drunk for one. Embarrassing fighting between the in-laws.)
Perhaps they didn't vote for Obambi (unlike some people who refuse to admit that they made a terrible mistake) and they were THRILLED to see someone who represents their viewpoint and presents real hope for freedom and a change in our oppressive government. Or they were just happy to see a celebrity that they admire in their general vicinity.
If Obama came to MY wedding, or any other event in my life, THAT would certainly be a horrific memory.
It isn't like Palin said. "Hey, here is a wedding. Let's crash it!!!". It was more like. "I'm getting something to eat and there happened to be a wedding nearby and they wanted me to take a photo with them. You betcha."
"As word of her appearance spread throughout the restaurant, a U.S. Marine and his new bride enjoying their wedding reception in the Pappas Room asked to get some pictures."
I don't think she planned to crash the party. And, yes, if someone told her there was a reception going on, she could have left, but it doesn't sound as if that happened.
Ann Althouse said...
"The couple seemed happy about it, so yes."
Did they have much choice? How could the bride have expressed unhappiness in this situation?
I'll bet the assembled press would have loved to hear the bride complain about the former Governor ruining her party.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and presume that you were misled into "thinking deeply" by the term "Back Room." Like CEO-MMP, I've actually been in that restaurant. It started out as an ice-cream & burgers place. After a while they added an enclosed seating area at the back of the place. This area, called the "Back Room," is actually the place where the general public goes to sit down and eat. It is not a fancy place.
It's clear from the article that there were lots of other people in the Back Room at the time, none of whom was there for the wedding. The Pappas Room is completely separate.
Also, it's located on a major highway and has a large parking lot, so it provides easy in-and-out for someone who gets a craving for a snack in the middle of a busy day.
School must have started up again. Your're "thinking deeply" like a silly academic instead of a hardheaded blogger.
Famous people should just stay home. If we want to see them we can turn on the TV. Fame has lost them the right to come and go as they please.
Or public places could have a neon sign in front, maybe a star inside a circle with a diagonal line across it. If anyone in the building is having a birthday, anniversary, wedding party, or any personal celebration, the sign would light up. This will let all the famous people know not to go in and upstage someone else's life.
Maybe we could put all the famous people in cages like at the zoo. They need to learn their place.
The article could not be clearer: Palin went to a restaurant, had no reason to know there was a wedding going on in a private room, and responded graciously and appropriately when the bride and groom sought her out.
Are your lame defenses of your original post in these comments are not up to your usual high standards. Please do the right thing and admit your dislike of Palin got the better of your judgment.
Palin is the good fairy to Cinderella. Plays into wedding mythology. As she continually draws political strength from matrimonial bonds (ie "never thought I'd want a divorce" in Iowa). The wedding bit came alongside widespread video of her hugging a very effeminate man. Reconciliation.
A lot of brides might fit the description you give of an immature, spoiled brat who wants all the attention on herself, no matter what. They're known around here as "Bridezillas," and while I do think young girls are encouraged to think this way by the wedding industry, I don't think most fall into that trap, once they become women. Not the ones with any hope of having a lasting marriage, anyway.
It also sounds to me like you might have a particular aversion to Bridezillas (hence your own low-key, deeply personal and private marriage). But you seem to assume Bridezillas are the norm rather the exception, and thus you are here both rejecting them, and accusing Sarah Palin (a political "Bridezilla" herself, perhaps?) of having the temerity to run afoul of one at the same time. Knocking down two distasteful female types at the same time: A two-fer! SCORE!
I think I can see the connection; but I'm not buying it, based on the article, and the obvious delight of the bride. I think drawing the conclusion you do seems more snarky than insightful.
The best moment this bride had! Everyone who was there will remember this moment. Even better in that it seems so spontaneous.
Don't see the down side. Think it's a treat.
Let alone the picture! What bride wouldn't make that picture her very own best moment, too? (Not so much if it was obama showing up, though. Not with that crowd.)
"I did not misread the article. The things you're pointing out were completely taken into account. I am challenging you to think more deeply."
Oh for fuck's sake Ann quit trying to OVERTHINK everything. The answer is staring you right in the face. If you didn't reside in academia you would be forced to jettison so much of what you imagine is "deep thinking" and cut to the chase. That is the same deep thinking that allows you to imagine Obama is normal but proves to a person with normally functioning cognitive facilities that you are a classic example of the over-educated fool.
Also, since pictures of the couple with Sarah Palin were probably photographed by SarahPac's wonderful official photographer, Shealah Craighead, I bet they get a nice autographed photo with a signed inscription by the Governor.
In the pix at that link, the Palins look better-dressed than most of the other guests at that wedding.
What? That wasn't the wedding party? That was a bunch of men in shorts and the like chowing down at a casual-dining joint? You mean to say that the bride and groom just barged in there like they owned the place and demanded a photo op?
I'd better think more deeply about this whole thing.
In the phrase "It's her day," the "her" isn't supposed to be a politician that shows up for a photo op.
When the happy couple invite family and friends to come celebrate with them, the family and friends are guests at the wedding. The bride and groom, in entertaining their guests, are to make it a great day for the guests. It is nice for guests to make it a great day for the bridal couple, but the onus is on the bride and groom to make it a great day for their guests.
We need to get rid of the "It's my/our day" mentality. It makes for some really nasty wedding stories.
I was happy when my neighbor--whom I did not expect to come--attending my wedding. His being there made my day, and still lights up my memories of that day.
Oh, shame, Ann. It's not like she crashed the wedding. The Marine and his wife approached her, from what I read, and she 'put down her waffle,' so to speak, and obliged them. There's some as would have whined about it
He is a Marine, so of course they are thrilled. Palin respects our military and loves America, and I am sure this couple would prefer her to be his CIC than Obama who holds nothing but contempt for our armed services.
OK, I've thought more deeply about this. Althouse is right. Here's how this plays out:
1. Palin enters restaurant for snack.
2. Excitement spreads among crowd in state where it is well known she has no chance of winning primary. Obvious plants.
3. Bride and groom leave their wedding reception to see what the hubbub's about. See Palin. Decide to cut their losses and score an autographed photo with her. These are quite rare, and likely to appreciate rapidly in value after she's trounced in the primaries.
4. Ann Althouse, the famous blogger, is the only person in America to figure out what really happened. Everyone else is duped by the fake smiles of the newlyweds.
5. Althouse's insight is picked up by not-so-famous bloggers Yglesias, Klein, etc.; spreads to MSM.
6. Swarm of reporters descends upon newlyweds during their honeymoon in order to get the truth about this story.
Did they have much choice? How could the bride have expressed unhappiness in this situation?
9/6/11 9:04 AM
Ann Althouse said... I did not misread the article. The things you're pointing out were completely taken into account. I am challenging you to think more deeply.
9/6/11 9:05 AM
Yeah Ann. You are thinking deeply...as in bottom dragging. How could the bride express displeasure? How about by opening her mouth and saying so? Did Sarah show up wearing a white gown or something? Yes you can be gracious and still express your feelings on your wedding day. My guess is Sarah Palin showing up at this wedding was like Johnny Fontaine showing up at the wedding in the Godfather. A coup for the bride, not an over shaddowing.
Are you suggesting that if they were displeased, they would not have hesitated to say: "Sarah Palin crashed our wedding!"
They sought her out and were thrilled by it (because they like Sarah Palin). Obviously if they did not like her, then things would have been different.
The bride looks thrilled! She could be faking it, but I doubt it--the kind of woman who would marry a Marine is the kind of woman who likes Sarah Palin.
The groom looks a little nervous in the picture. Maybe he is wondering if he just met his next Commander in Chief .
To add insult to injury earlier that day Palin ran a half marathon in Iowa anonymously, finishing with a time of 1:46, second in her age group. She also ran faster than all the women in the age group below except one. She placed fifth overall among women of any age.
All this shows Ann is Sarah Palin can never win. She is always wrong. But ask yourself, if Barack and Michelle Obama showed up at that restaurant and the bride and groom did the same thing for them...would you have written the same post?
My guess is you whould not have, but I am challenging you to think deeply.
Actually he was not, but my best man did look sort of like Kurt Russell. Then he bedded two of the bridesmaids. And they knew about each other but both wanted him. He was coming off a divorce and feeling depressed so it perked him up. So he had a good time.
Many brides do not have that good a time at the wedding. Too much stress to talk to everyone and few get ton enjoy the food. I always advise young ladies to elope and their moms get upset.
I think that Althouse is missing the big picture here.
The real victim is Sheila Beermann, who drove all the way from Elk Point, SD to hopefully place first or second in the half marathon. Due to the unexpected entry of "Sarah Heath", poor sheila is relegated to a shameful third place in her age division.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew) The Small Pathetic Voice chimes in to demonstrate why it is called the small pathetic voice…must be sad to have to come to a POPULAR blog to scream, “Look at me”.
Ah it's JoeJoe, the Small Pathetic Kissingerite. Dissent bothers you doesn't it little man. For that matter, you're too crass and irrational to understand satire.
Palin's another flagwaver. Why, stand in front of harleys, with flags and marines/vets, a few hotties--and.... she's Prez material! Not. Then, that's a bit too profound for a little shyster like you to understand isn't it JoeJoe.
Okay, I'm going to challenge the professor to think a little more deeply, too.
How is a momentary photo-op able to upstage an entire wedding? How is it not still the bride's day? It's not like Palin got on the wedding table and did the watusi. She'll be in maybe one photo in the inevitable photo album, and it will be an interesting anecdote for the grandkids, nothing else.
See, this is the kind of crazy Palin criticism that drives some of us up the wall.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew) The Small Pathetic Voice might want to check out and see if anyone truly cares about its opinion…I believe its blog has NO comments (unless you count the ONE I randomly placed there), which would seem to imply that no one really cares what it thinks or says…I believe that is what drives the small voice to Althouse’s Big Front Porch so it can scream, “LOOK AT ME”
As a pastor who officiates many weddings I have to constantly work at not letting my charm and charisma take the spotlight off the bride on her special day. I know how Sarah must feel.
Althouse, dear, Go to the bathroom and purge. Quick! Quick! Quick! Get that kool-aid out of your system.
I'm thinking deeply about this. I'm thinking ahead. Next thing to happen is that you and Palin will be standing in a garden. Palin will say, "Let's find shelter. That looks like a nasty thundercloud heading our way."
Althouse replies, "Don't order me around! That's smoke from a forest fire you started."
or
A punk shoves Althouse off her bike and starts to peddle off. Palin, running the same path, tackles the thief. Althouse, laying there bleeding, screams, "Palin, you attention hog! You knocked my water bottle out of its holder."
I should think that a military bride, in particular, might be a bit more down-to-earth than your average Bridezilla.
If I am understanding correctly from the locals and the pictures, they seem to have had their reception at some kind of chicken shack. So I don’t have her pegged as any kind of Bridezilla.
Shanna said "...So I don’t have her pegged as any kind of Bridezilla."
Exactly.
This is kind of a weird post for this site, I think -- jr hi style sneering by the "cool" girl, nose held high -- and the target seems to be both traditional brides and Sarah Palin.
Unless Althouse was just snickering to herself all the while she posted it, as Chip S. suggests. In which case, the target was us.
Even if the bride were a self-absorbed twit she would have the satisfaction of knowing that it is unlikely that a famous person will show up at her friends' wedding receptions. (It's not about having the perfect wedding/reception, it's about having one that is better than your friends'.)
When a friend or family member gets married, you know whose reception will get mentioned every time. It's almost as good as having your wedding dance video go viral.
"Think more deeply" = come up with a plausible scenario where it would be true that the bride was upstaged.
So:
The news spreads throughout the restaurant that Palin is there. The marine groom hears and is all "Oh boy, let's go meet her and get a picture!!" The bride is feeling pretty miffed that her new husband is even able to THINK about another woman during their wedding reception. Recognizing that it would be counterproductive to make a scene just then, she deploys the same social expertise which got her to the altar in the first place and "enthusiastically" agrees. The poor groom won't find out how badly he screwed up until he is reminded on their first anniversary, and second, and third ....
Shanna: they seem to have had their reception at some kind of chicken shack
Thanks to Google and Google Maps, you can see what this place looks like for yourself.
And while I am a fan of church basement receptions, I'd say that this place looks like a proper place for a wedding reception. (And you can have the wedding there, too.)
Hardly a "chicken shack" by any stretch of the imagination.
Ann, come on, all your 'picturings' would be thrown out of any court as assuming facts not in evidence, let alone a John Edwards level of channeling. We get you don't like Palin but we can watch Bill Maherfor this...
Someday the history of how and why the Republican Party, once the party of sane fiscal policy and non intervention, decided to tack to the far right and become the party of the wacko, will be written and I am sure a whole chapter will be devoted to the fascination so many have for this no talent, intellectually challenged, loud mouthed whack job. I know she drives the Left nuts, because even they are amazed that anyone, even on the Right, would take her seriously but really? This idiot? LOL Good luck running her for anything folks.
Pragmatist wrote: "...the fascination so many have for this no talent, intellectually challenged, loud mouthed whack job. I know she drives the Left nuts, because even they are amazed that anyone, even on the Right, would take her seriously but really? This idiot? "
So if I don't agree with you, I'm not thinking deeply enough?
That's pretty arrogant, Althouse.
The title of your post is not justified by anything at all in the article. This is NYT- or AP- level dishonesty.
The fact that most of us disagree with you doesn't necessarily make us right. At the same time, "If everyone around you says you're drunk, you should sit down."
Obviously @Althouse has bought into the Bridezilla reality tv show version of the wedding and the brides out of control narcissim that reflects today's society.
Personally, I'm hoping we're raising young women that have a better sense of themselves and what makes their marriage commitment significant beyond a surprise celebrity/politician showing up, the most expensive dress or food.
The young women I'm talking about are cut from Sarah Palin's cloth, they are the highest number of women in congress today and they define themselves outside of the box.
I've had the pleasure of spending some very brief time with Sarah Palin and seeing her in person reacting to those around her. She would be the first person to embrace that young bride and lift her up...not being of the progressive left's eat our own sister variety. Sarah is secure in herself and she passes that on to everyone around her. That's why so many common folk love her...she's not put herself on a pedastal.
It sounds like Palin was in the public area and the wedding party had their reception in a separate area and they came out to see her when they heard she was there.
I'm not sure "upstages" really applies, at least not the part that suggests bad manners.
As word of her appearance spread throughout the restaurant, a U.S. Marine and his new bride enjoying their wedding reception in the Pappas Room asked to get some pictures. The newlyweds now had another reason to grin from ear to ear as they were overheard saying “we’ll never forget that Sarah Palin came to our wedding”.
Looks like they came to her and asked to get some pictures.
"I think people who put on weddings are thinking about making the bride a fabulous center of attention. If another woman upstages her... it's not what that was about."
You're pretty much the only one who thinks she was upstaging. It's not what that was about.
It was about a woman being happy for another woman who just got married. No more. Those other thoughts, you own.
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The couple seemed happy about it, so yes. Really it is a subjective thing and the bride and groom get the only votes.
I don't see how it can be bad etiquette if the bride and groom were happy to see her there.
Did she send a gift?
That's a lovely picture at the link.
If I understood the article correctly the bride and groom left their event to see her, not the other way around. And they were evidently thrilled to see her. She neither tried to, nor did, upstage the bride.
Are you practicing writing headlines for the MSM, Ann?
"a U.S. Marine and his new bride enjoying their wedding reception in the Pappas Room asked to get some pictures. The newlyweds now had another reason to grin from ear to ear as they were overheard saying “we’ll never forget that Sarah Palin came to our wedding”.
She was invited.
Post fail.
Per the article, Palin was in one area and the wedding party was in another. I'm sure you've all been in restaurants with similar semi-separate function halls. The couple sought her out, not the other way around. No foul. No bad etiquette.
"The couple seemed happy about it, so yes."
Did they have much choice? How could the bride have expressed unhappiness in this situation?
I did not misread the article. The things you're pointing out were completely taken into account. I am challenging you to think more deeply.
Are all brides beautiful? That's a pretty girl.
“we’ll never forget that Sarah Palin came to our wedding”.
Is that the memory the woman was hoping to lock into her permanent memory?
In the phrase "It's her day," the "her" isn't supposed to be a politician that shows up for a photo op.
It makes the reception that much more memorable (in a good way) for the guests, which flatters the bride.
"Did they have much choice? How could the bride have expressed unhappiness in this situation?"
Again, it appears they left their party in a back room and came out to see Palin. And Palin has never struck me as the type of person who would barge in on a wedding party. Hillary sure. Barry definitely. Palin, I don't see it. Maybe she did, but that's not what the article says.
So, yes, I'd say they had a choice.
Seriously, the guy is a US Marine. I doubt you could find many who wouldn't be thrilled to see her. And that includes the wife of one.
"Ann Althouse said...
Did they have much choice? How could the bride have expressed unhappiness in this situation?"
Let me go out on a limb...they could have not asked her?
I don't see how it would mar "her day", but I do see how it would make it far more memorable for their guests, and I think all couples want that. I assume the woman was just as pleased as she sounds, and that she wouldn't have left her wedding reception to hit the chicken wing counter for just anyone.
Limbaugh did that.
He crashed some wedding reception that happened to be going on in the hotel where he was.
Invited by a band member he ran into.
It also turned out to be a military groom; and likewise got a favorable reaction from them.
"I am challenging you to think more deeply."
If thinking deeply means reading things into the article that are not there, I guess I could come up with a dozen possible senarios.
So, yeah, if Palin had without invitation entered the back room where a private bridal party was being held for a photo op that would have been a violation of etiquette. It also would have been politically stupid.
But I don't see Palin as either rude enough to do it nor, at this stage in her political career, stupid enough to do it.
"Ann Althouse said...
I am challenging you to think more deeply."
Everything in the artice points to a joint decision to ask Palin for pictures, as well as a mutual satisfaction that she did so.
I am challenging you to think. Period.
Ann Althouse said...
I am challenging you to think more deeply
In other words, read between the lines, because it might not be there when you read the article.
Really, Professor?
Have you ever been to the Puritan? Do you know anything about it? How it's laid out?
She went into the main part. The Marine and his bride were in a private room quite a ways away. They came to greet her and ask her for pictures.
Had she not taken the time to visit with them when they asked, what would the headlines read?
Jesus fucking Christ on a fucking pogo stick.
"I'm challenging you to think more deeply.
No, you're not. You're just being blonde and it's not attractive, not matter what Meade tells you.
I am challenging you to think more deeply.
The appearance of this sentence is always an infallible sign that Althouse has been caught in an error.
PALIN CRASHES WEDDING!
UPSTAGES BRIDE!
OPENS HER GIFTS!
SLEEPS WITH HER HUSBAND
....developing....
"It makes the reception that much more memorable (in a good way) for the guests, which flatters the bride."
Well, that's kind of my theory of weddings, which is why I didn't want one. If it's all about making the guests have a great time and not a boring time like all those other weddings... save your effort and money...
I think people who put on weddings are thinking about making the bride a fabulous center of attention. If another woman upstages her... it's not what that was about.
BTW:
Ann Althouse said...
“we’ll never forget that Sarah Palin came to our wedding”.
Is that the memory the woman was hoping to lock into her permanent memory?
In the phrase "It's her day," the "her" isn't supposed to be a politician that shows up for a photo op.
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It was, by the way and don't forget, the reception. They left their reception and asked Palin for pictures. Palin didn't crash the damn wedding demanding the focus be on her. Palin went to a fairly famous local eatery to get some of the fairly famous chicken fingers and chat with some locals. That's hardly showing up for a goddam photo op. Then, while she was waiting for her food, she was accosted by a young Marine and his wife all agog and agibber that Sarah Fucking Palin was there.
Jesus.
"She went into the main part. The Marine and his bride were in a private room quite a ways away. They came to greet her and ask her for pictures."
I'm picturing the guests getting wind of Sarah's presence and scampering away from the wedding to get a look. That's stage 1. The bride is upset by that and the people around her try to make the lemons into lemonade or whatever.
"Palin went to a fairly famous local eatery to get some of the fairly famous chicken fingers and chat with some locals. That's hardly showing up for a goddam photo op."
It's obviously a political photo op. Give me a break. I'm not saying Palin intended to crash the wedding, but that's the way it played out.
rhhardin said...
Limbaugh did that.
Did what? Stand downstairs at the take out counter and be accosted by a Marine and a woman in a wedding dress?
Not the same thing. Don't write it like it is.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Let me just add for the progressives, “Quitter”, “Ditz”, “Unelectable” “Smurf-house Al-tards” Capishay?
Oh and I liked the phrase "Think more deeply" and the retort..."I made an error".
"I'm picturing the guests getting wind of Sarah's presence and scampering away from the wedding to get a look. That's stage 1. The bride is upset by that and the people around her try to make the lemons into lemonade or whatever."
I give up. She was probably pissed. So pissed I imagine it's a wonder she didn't ask her Marine husband to snap Palin's neck like a chicken finger.
If you cared to read the article, the bride and groom sought out Palin, to be photographed with her.
She really sticks in your craw, eh?
What proof do you have that it was obviously a photo op?
A couple of days ago Palin wore dark glasses and an extra shirt and a hat pulled low to run a half marathon. It's not like she's some sort of messianic figure traveling across the country in a giant black armored bus with a 40 vehicle motorcade!
Yes, she went there to get chicken and talk to people. But I don't believe she sent her advance people in to drag the Marine and his bride out to see her.
I ask you again: have you ever been to the Puritan? The Marine and his bride had to actually leave their private room. It's not like they were just at a table in the back.
Ask me how I know....
The only thing that could have upstaged that was to continue with honeymoon three-way.
WILL SOMEONE TAKE THE SHOVEL OUT OF THE PROFESSOR'S HANDS BEFORE SHE STRIKES WATER AND FLOODS THE HOLE SHE'S DIGGING!
I don't see how famous people can avoid all possible places where a wedding reception might be occurring. So you can't blame Palin for being near a wedding reception, or for the reaction of people at the venue.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
I will say that IF Palin gets in and gets the nod, Althouse will NOT be voting for her? Someone said it best, “She sticks your craw.” Palin just sticks in Althouse’s craw and so the Althouse demographic is a write-off for Palin in 2012, that’s for sure….
Let’s try one more tack here, Althouse, IF the bride were upset, don’t you think she could have found a sympathetic blogger/journalist upon which she could unload her “ire?” After all it’s not like people who hate Palin aren’t a dime-a-dozen.
Ann
I think you've got this one wrong.
She showed up at an open restaurant for dinner, she wasn't at their wedding. They seemed to have come out to see her and been happy she was there. So I would say no. Not at all.
You got upstaged from that article?
Seriously???
Palin is upstaging everyone lately.
The Bride had made plans for her reception. And the plans had to be adjusted on the spot.
She was able to do the adult thing without pouting about changes made to her plan. Many people do that well.
If she is married to a Marine, she had better get used to doing that.
Agreed...and I'm sure she loved every minute of it.
BREAKING !!!!
Palin takes deep breath.
Sucks air out of room.
Women and children suffer most.
Details at eleven.
"She was able to do the adult thing without pouting about changes made to her plan. Many people do that well."
I lay a bet of a bottle of nice whiskey she had no urge to pout at all.
Is that the memory the woman was hoping to lock into her permanent memory?
There are a lot worse memories that happen at wedding receptions to lock into your memory. (Your bridesmaid or best man passing out or falling down drunk for one. Embarrassing fighting between the in-laws.)
Perhaps they didn't vote for Obambi (unlike some people who refuse to admit that they made a terrible mistake) and they were THRILLED to see someone who represents their viewpoint and presents real hope for freedom and a change in our oppressive government. Or they were just happy to see a celebrity that they admire in their general vicinity.
If Obama came to MY wedding, or any other event in my life, THAT would certainly be a horrific memory.
It isn't like Palin said. "Hey, here is a wedding. Let's crash it!!!". It was more like. "I'm getting something to eat and there happened to be a wedding nearby and they wanted me to take a photo with them. You betcha."
"As word of her appearance spread throughout the restaurant, a U.S. Marine and his new bride enjoying their wedding reception in the Pappas Room asked to get some pictures."
I don't think she planned to crash the party. And, yes, if someone told her there was a reception going on, she could have left, but it doesn't sound as if that happened.
Ann Althouse said...
"The couple seemed happy about it, so yes."
Did they have much choice? How could the bride have expressed unhappiness in this situation?
I'll bet the assembled press would have loved to hear the bride complain about the former Governor ruining her party.
If another woman upstages her... it's not what that was about.
AHA!!! The crux of the matter. Fear of being upstaged by another woman.
Get over yourself.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and presume that you were misled into "thinking deeply" by the term "Back Room." Like CEO-MMP, I've actually been in that restaurant. It started out as an ice-cream & burgers place. After a while they added an enclosed seating area at the back of the place. This area, called the "Back Room," is actually the place where the general public goes to sit down and eat. It is not a fancy place.
It's clear from the article that there were lots of other people in the Back Room at the time, none of whom was there for the wedding. The Pappas Room is completely separate.
Also, it's located on a major highway and has a large parking lot, so it provides easy in-and-out for someone who gets a craving for a snack in the middle of a busy day.
School must have started up again. Your're "thinking deeply" like a silly academic instead of a hardheaded blogger.
Famous people should just stay home. If we want to see them we can turn on the TV. Fame has lost them the right to come and go as they please.
Or public places could have a neon sign in front, maybe a star inside a circle with a diagonal line across it. If anyone in the building is having a birthday, anniversary, wedding party, or any personal celebration, the sign would light up. This will let all the famous people know not to go in and upstage someone else's life.
Maybe we could put all the famous people in cages like at the zoo. They need to learn their place.
The article could not be clearer: Palin went to a restaurant, had no reason to know there was a wedding going on in a private room, and responded graciously and appropriately when the bride and groom sought her out.
Are your lame defenses of your original post in these comments are not up to your usual high standards. Please do the right thing and admit your dislike of Palin got the better of your judgment.
"Here's how Palin lost me, she crashed a wedding party once, and ruined two very nice people's lives for no reason at all, except to be mean." -- AA
Didn't Palin also ruin a half-marathon for a bunch of people the other day by getting in front of them?
Think about it. She's got all Alaska to run around in, plus Arizona. And yet she bigfooted some innocent Iowans. I'll bet they were pissed.
What a bitch.
They look pretty happy about it and said as much...
SarahPac
Palin is the good fairy to Cinderella. Plays into wedding mythology. As she continually draws political strength from matrimonial bonds (ie "never thought I'd want a divorce" in Iowa). The wedding bit came alongside widespread video of her hugging a very effeminate man. Reconciliation.
A lot of brides might fit the description you give of an immature, spoiled brat who wants all the attention on herself, no matter what. They're known around here as "Bridezillas," and while I do think young girls are encouraged to think this way by the wedding industry, I don't think most fall into that trap, once they become women. Not the ones with any hope of having a lasting marriage, anyway.
It also sounds to me like you might have a particular aversion to Bridezillas (hence your own low-key, deeply personal and private marriage). But you seem to assume Bridezillas are the norm rather the exception, and thus you are here both rejecting them, and accusing Sarah Palin (a political "Bridezilla" herself, perhaps?) of having the temerity to run afoul of one at the same time. Knocking down two distasteful female types at the same time: A two-fer! SCORE!
I think I can see the connection; but I'm not buying it, based on the article, and the obvious delight of the bride. I think drawing the conclusion you do seems more snarky than insightful.
The best moment this bride had! Everyone who was there will remember this moment. Even better in that it seems so spontaneous.
Don't see the down side. Think it's a treat.
Let alone the picture! What bride wouldn't make that picture her very own best moment, too? (Not so much if it was obama showing up, though. Not with that crowd.)
"I did not misread the article. The things you're pointing out were completely taken into account. I am challenging you to think more deeply."
Oh for fuck's sake Ann quit trying to OVERTHINK everything. The answer is staring you right in the face. If you didn't reside in academia you would be forced to jettison so much of what you imagine is "deep thinking" and cut to the chase. That is the same deep thinking that allows you to imagine Obama is normal but proves to a person with normally functioning cognitive facilities that you are a classic example of the over-educated fool.
Also, since pictures of the couple with Sarah Palin were probably photographed by SarahPac's wonderful official photographer, Shealah Craighead, I bet they get a nice autographed photo with a signed inscription by the Governor.
Shealah Craighead
In the pix at that link, the Palins look better-dressed than most of the other guests at that wedding.
What? That wasn't the wedding party? That was a bunch of men in shorts and the like chowing down at a casual-dining joint? You mean to say that the bride and groom just barged in there like they owned the place and demanded a photo op?
I'd better think more deeply about this whole thing.
Ann writes headlines to get us involved!
She's like the referee in a soccer match who can use her hands to throw in the ball.
Then we're left to look and lurk. Or to use words. And, not because we agree. But because we're human. And, opinions vary.
In the phrase "It's her day," the "her" isn't supposed to be a politician that shows up for a photo op.
When the happy couple invite family and friends to come celebrate with them, the family and friends are guests at the wedding. The bride and groom, in entertaining their guests, are to make it a great day for the guests. It is nice for guests to make it a great day for the bridal couple, but the onus is on the bride and groom to make it a great day for their guests.
We need to get rid of the "It's my/our day" mentality. It makes for some really nasty wedding stories.
I was happy when my neighbor--whom I did not expect to come--attending my wedding. His being there made my day, and still lights up my memories of that day.
Palin enters restaurant...upstages waitress
Single mother...no healthcare...tips may have suffered
Order Soup of the Day, Daily special Patty Melt upstaged, sales suffer..
Think deeply what a horrible, horrible women she is....
Waiting now for the "You people just don't get my humor" part of the thread.
Should be arriving in about 15 more comments.
Oh, shame, Ann. It's not like she crashed the wedding. The Marine and his wife approached her, from what I read, and she 'put down her waffle,' so to speak, and obliged them. There's some as would have whined about it
You angling for a media job?
Don't see any upstaging.
He is a Marine, so of course they are thrilled. Palin respects our military and loves America, and I am sure this couple would prefer her to be his CIC than Obama who holds nothing but contempt for our armed services.
The bait seems to have been taken.
I am challenging you to think more deeply.
I think all of us did think "more deeply" about it. The consensus is that you're the one who's off base.
Sorry about that.
OK, I've thought more deeply about this. Althouse is right. Here's how this plays out:
1. Palin enters restaurant for snack.
2. Excitement spreads among crowd in state where it is well known she has no chance of winning primary. Obvious plants.
3. Bride and groom leave their wedding reception to see what the hubbub's about. See Palin. Decide to cut their losses and score an autographed photo with her. These are quite rare, and likely to appreciate rapidly in value after she's trounced in the primaries.
4. Ann Althouse, the famous blogger, is the only person in America to figure out what really happened. Everyone else is duped by the fake smiles of the newlyweds.
5. Althouse's insight is picked up by not-so-famous bloggers Yglesias, Klein, etc.; spreads to MSM.
6. Swarm of reporters descends upon newlyweds during their honeymoon in order to get the truth about this story.
7. Media swarm ruins couple's honeymoon.
See? Althouse is correct once again.
Did they have much choice? How could the bride have expressed unhappiness in this situation?
9/6/11 9:04 AM
Ann Althouse said...
I did not misread the article. The things you're pointing out were completely taken into account. I am challenging you to think more deeply.
9/6/11 9:05 AM
Yeah Ann. You are thinking deeply...as in bottom dragging. How could the bride express displeasure? How about by opening her mouth and saying so? Did Sarah show up wearing a white gown or something? Yes you can be gracious and still express your feelings on your wedding day. My guess is Sarah Palin showing up at this wedding was like Johnny Fontaine showing up at the wedding in the Godfather. A coup for the bride, not an over shaddowing.
Are you suggesting that if they were displeased, they would not have hesitated to say: "Sarah Palin crashed our wedding!"
They sought her out and were thrilled by it (because they like Sarah Palin). Obviously if they did not like her, then things would have been different.
The bride looks thrilled! She could be faking it, but I doubt it--the kind of woman who would marry a Marine is the kind of woman who likes Sarah Palin.
The groom looks a little nervous in the picture. Maybe he is wondering if he just met his next Commander in Chief .
To add insult to injury earlier that day Palin ran a half marathon in Iowa anonymously, finishing with a time of 1:46, second in her age group. She also ran faster than all the women in the age group below except one. She placed fifth overall among women of any age.
All this shows Ann is Sarah Palin can never win. She is always wrong. But ask yourself, if Barack and Michelle Obama showed up at that restaurant and the bride and groom did the same thing for them...would you have written the same post?
My guess is you whould not have, but I am challenging you to think deeply.
Kurt Russell showed up when I was staying at Skydome once. Never thought I'd be upstaged by Snake Plissken but there it is.
Kurt Russell was the best man at my wedding.
Actually he was not, but my best man did look sort of like Kurt Russell. Then he bedded two of the bridesmaids. And they knew about each other but both wanted him. He was coming off a divorce and feeling depressed so it perked him up. So he had a good time.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Then he bedded two of the bridesmaids
Simultaneously? IS there…video?
Oh let me use the Garage, line, “Video, or it didn’t happen”
Good gravy, you're serious about this, Althouse? Really?
Palin probably just shouldn't leave her house anymore.
Many brides do not have that good a time at the wedding. Too much stress to talk to everyone and few get ton enjoy the food. I always advise young ladies to elope and their moms get upset.
Also, are all brides completely self-obsessed narcissists, or is someone projecting a little here?
I should think that a military bride, in particular, might be a bit more down-to-earth than your average Bridezilla.
I think that Althouse is missing the big picture here.
The real victim is Sheila Beermann, who drove all the way from Elk Point, SD to hopefully place first or second in the half marathon. Due to the unexpected entry of "Sarah Heath", poor sheila is relegated to a shameful third place in her age division.
Typical Palin aggressive photo opp. ..Marines, new bride hottie, swank hotel. She should just stripped n pulled a 3way wit' the grunt and his new ho.
Also, I think the professor needs a new tag: "Paving the way to vote for Obama again."
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
The Small Pathetic Voice chimes in to demonstrate why it is called the small pathetic voice…must be sad to have to come to a POPULAR blog to scream, “Look at me”.
Ah it's JoeJoe, the Small Pathetic Kissingerite. Dissent bothers you doesn't it little man. For that matter, you're too crass and irrational to understand satire.
Palin's another flagwaver. Why, stand in front of harleys, with flags and marines/vets, a few hotties--and.... she's Prez material! Not. Then, that's a bit too profound for a little shyster like you to understand isn't it JoeJoe.
Okay, I'm going to challenge the professor to think a little more deeply, too.
How is a momentary photo-op able to upstage an entire wedding? How is it not still the bride's day? It's not like Palin got on the wedding table and did the watusi. She'll be in maybe one photo in the inevitable photo album, and it will be an interesting anecdote for the grandkids, nothing else.
See, this is the kind of crazy Palin criticism that drives some of us up the wall.
(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
The Small Pathetic Voice might want to check out and see if anyone truly cares about its opinion…I believe its blog has NO comments (unless you count the ONE I randomly placed there), which would seem to imply that no one really cares what it thinks or says…I believe that is what drives the small voice to Althouse’s Big Front Porch so it can scream, “LOOK AT ME”
As a pastor who officiates many weddings I have to constantly work at not letting my charm and charisma take the spotlight off the bride on her special day. I know how Sarah must feel.
."... I am challenging you to think more deeply..."
Methinks you're thinking too much into this.
@Kensington, you're dead right. IMAO it isn't men who erected the glass ceiling. It was women stabbing other women in the back.
Althouse, dear, Go to the bathroom and purge. Quick! Quick! Quick! Get that kool-aid out of your system.
I'm thinking deeply about this. I'm thinking ahead. Next thing to happen is that you and Palin will be standing in a garden. Palin will say, "Let's find shelter. That looks like a nasty thundercloud heading our way."
Althouse replies, "Don't order me around! That's smoke from a forest fire you started."
or
A punk shoves Althouse off her bike and starts to peddle off. Palin, running the same path, tackles the thief. Althouse, laying there bleeding, screams, "Palin, you attention hog! You knocked my water bottle out of its holder."
Purge, Dear Althouse, purge!
Caribou Barbie has been sent back to the Rancho de Klondike, at least virtually. The GOP pork-in-chief have given her the boot.
I should think that a military bride, in particular, might be a bit more down-to-earth than your average Bridezilla.
If I am understanding correctly from the locals and the pictures, they seem to have had their reception at some kind of chicken shack. So I don’t have her pegged as any kind of Bridezilla.
Shanna said "...So I don’t have her pegged as any kind of Bridezilla."
Exactly.
This is kind of a weird post for this site, I think -- jr hi style sneering by the "cool" girl, nose held high -- and the target seems to be both traditional brides and Sarah Palin.
Unless Althouse was just snickering to herself all the while she posted it, as Chip S. suggests. In which case, the target was us.
This does not comfort me!
Even if the bride were a self-absorbed twit she would have the satisfaction of knowing that it is unlikely that a famous person will show up at her friends' wedding receptions. (It's not about having the perfect wedding/reception, it's about having one that is better than your friends'.)
When a friend or family member gets married, you know whose reception will get mentioned every time. It's almost as good as having your wedding dance video go viral.
Where's the picture? No link at the story.
Truth be known, most receptions are nice but totally forgettable.
One of the most inane, catty, and asinine posts ever.
And Professor -- you really have lost touch (I hope temporarily) with the real people.
There are lots of real people out here who don't fake stuff and / or lie about everything.
(PS - it was a wedding reception, not the "wedding.")
take the spotlight off the bride on her special day
So special when they've been shacking up for years and her virtue was gone long before that.
And shouldn't it be "their day", or are women so insecure they think ensnaring a man makes them special?
"Think more deeply" = come up with a plausible scenario where it would be true that the bride was upstaged.
So:
The news spreads throughout the restaurant that Palin is there. The marine groom hears and is all "Oh boy, let's go meet her and get a picture!!" The bride is feeling pretty miffed that her new husband is even able to THINK about another woman during their wedding reception. Recognizing that it would be counterproductive to make a scene just then, she deploys the same social expertise which got her to the altar in the first place and "enthusiastically" agrees. The poor groom won't find out how badly he screwed up until he is reminded on their first anniversary, and second, and third ....
Shanna: they seem to have had their reception at some kind of chicken shack
Thanks to Google and Google Maps, you can see what this place looks like for yourself.
And while I am a fan of church basement receptions, I'd say that this place looks like a proper place for a wedding reception. (And you can have the wedding there, too.)
Hardly a "chicken shack" by any stretch of the imagination.
Fact is, Althouse lost all credibility when it comes to Palin.
Don't bother to post anything more about her-
If you need to know what Althouse's take on anything Palin is in the future, tune into Rachael Maddow.
This is quite troublesome-
RAF..apparently 'think more deeply' means 'recaitulate stock plot from failed ABC sitcom...'
Thanks for the link Peter, it looks like the kind of place we would like and Manchester NH is only about 20 minutes North of here.
Ann, come on, all your 'picturings' would be thrown out of any court as assuming facts not in evidence, let alone a John Edwards level of channeling. We get you don't like Palin but we can watch Bill Maherfor this...
@Richard Mcenroe: So I probably should have scattered some LOLs throughout for the laugh track?
wv, I kid you not: chunt. Absolutely no comment, at all, ever!
"think more deeply"??
Sorry, perfesser, but sometimes a cigar is simply a cigar...
Always the Bride of Wackedenstein, never a Bride. Poor Saraw
Someday the history of how and why the Republican Party, once the party of sane fiscal policy and non intervention, decided to tack to the far right and become the party of the wacko, will be written and I am sure a whole chapter will be devoted to the fascination so many have for this no talent, intellectually challenged, loud mouthed whack job. I know she drives the Left nuts, because even they are amazed that anyone, even on the Right, would take her seriously but really? This idiot? LOL Good luck running her for anything folks.
Friend of mine was at a wedding when Meir Kahane showed up, with bodyguards. Says he went to a lot of effort to remain unnoticed.
Pragmatist wrote: "...the fascination so many have for this no talent, intellectually challenged, loud mouthed whack job. I know she drives the Left nuts, because even they are amazed that anyone, even on the Right, would take her seriously but really? This idiot? "
Dude, nobody's making you read her blog.
You are talking about AA, right?
Palin holds her voter' loyaltys so far. They are the dumb people like Sarah Palin actually believe in the future of the USA and will fight for it.
Will she give up? I doubt it.
She is the dumb Scots-Irish redneck of her day similar to Andrew Jackson who was the dumb redneck of 1828.
I am challenging you to think more deeply.
So if I don't agree with you, I'm not thinking deeply enough?
That's pretty arrogant, Althouse.
The title of your post is not justified by anything at all in the article. This is NYT- or AP- level dishonesty.
The fact that most of us disagree with you doesn't necessarily make us right. At the same time, "If everyone around you says you're drunk, you should sit down."
Obviously @Althouse has bought into the Bridezilla reality tv show version of the wedding and the brides out of control narcissim that reflects today's society.
Personally, I'm hoping we're raising young women that have a better sense of themselves and what makes their marriage commitment significant beyond a surprise celebrity/politician showing up, the most expensive dress or food.
The young women I'm talking about are cut from Sarah Palin's cloth, they are the highest number of women in congress today and they define themselves outside of the box.
I've had the pleasure of spending some very brief time with Sarah Palin and seeing her in person reacting to those around her. She would be the first person to embrace that young bride and lift her up...not being of the progressive left's eat our own sister variety. Sarah is secure in herself and she passes that on to everyone around her. That's why so many common folk love her...she's not put herself on a pedastal.
Hardly a "chicken shack" by any stretch of the imagination.
Somebody above said they were known for their chicken fingers and you have to admit the Palin pictures did not showcase a fancy venue.
raf -- and maybe make the husband a fat lout who's always wrong...
I haven't seen a shellacking like this bad since I tried to refinish the dining room table.
It sounds like Palin was in the public area and the wedding party had their reception in a separate area and they came out to see her when they heard she was there.
I'm not sure "upstages" really applies, at least not the part that suggests bad manners.
I am outraged by Palin's rude behavior and have decided to vote the straight Democratic ticket next year in retaliation.
Anne, did you hit your again like when you voted for the Empty Suit?
The article stated she came for the chicken fingers and they were in a different room.
So showing up for chicken fingers at a restaurant is now somehow showing up a bride?
Has the Palin hysteria gotten to you too?
Althouse, you can be obtuse often but this is just idiocy.
So how about it, Althouse? How good are you with, "Maybe I did go overboard there"? Humility is an attractive trait. Sarah knows this.
As word of her appearance spread throughout the restaurant, a U.S. Marine and his new bride enjoying their wedding reception in the Pappas Room asked to get some pictures. The newlyweds now had another reason to grin from ear to ear as they were overheard saying “we’ll never forget that Sarah Palin came to our wedding”.
Looks like they came to her and asked to get some pictures.
prairie wind said...
So how about it, Althouse? How good are you with, "Maybe I did go overboard there"? Humility is an attractive trait.
Not a chance.
Allen is right, and it's a credibility hit for our host. Sad.
Ann Althouse --
"I am challenging you to think more deeply."
And I'm challenging you to go out and spend time with real life people, 'cause you simply do not comprehend them.
Ann Althouse --
"I think people who put on weddings are thinking about making the bride a fabulous center of attention. If another woman upstages her... it's not what that was about."
You're pretty much the only one who thinks she was upstaging. It's not what that was about.
It was about a woman being happy for another woman who just got married. No more. Those other thoughts, you own.
Big Mike --
"@Kensington, you're dead right. IMAO it isn't men who erected the glass ceiling. It was women stabbing other women in the back."
Ha! To repeat something I just posted at Helen's:
You know the phrase "eating their own"?
We didn't invent it to describe wild animals.
That's just something we tell women.
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