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३१७ टिप्पण्या:
«सर्वात जुने ‹थोडे जुने 317 पैकी 201 – 317We just visited Jeremy's link we think we understand the picture now.
I'm sure you do, sock puppet.
Michael -- Why the name change?
If Obama's use of force authorization only authorized the Navy to use lethal force if the Cpt.'s life was in danger, with no further clarification, then Obama deserves zero praise for it.
The order is at once meddlesome and so vague as to be useless. He was held hostage at gunpoint. Of COURSE his life was in danger.
Further, the more Obama had to do with the details of the op itself, the less praise he deserves. We don't need a president involved in targeting.
The order to the Navy should have been "Get the hostage back alive. All force consistent with that directive authorized. Deadly force is fine by me. Check with me before you strike mainland Somalia."
Jeremy, Seven's icon is a Mexican wrestler's mask. Grow up for goodness' sake.
Thank you, Beth.
Jason - "He was held hostage at gunpoint. Of COURSE his life was in danger."
Semantics.
C'mon...dig deep. Come up with something better than that.
The term "imminent" probably entered in...doncha think?
Michael -- Why the name change?
Beth - http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_munich.php
Keep on suckin'.
Michael -- Why the name change?
I always figured it for a wrestler's mask.
And "tea parties" are about tax revolts (either getting taxed or how taxes are used).
And Obama *could* have said, "no force", and he didn't... so good for him.
Beth - Seven may have rolled around on the floor with a Mexican wrestler from time to time, but the picture looks more like a terrorist.
Michael -- Why the name change?
http://www.craftster.org/blog/wp-content/scaryskimask1.jpg
Special.
For Jeremy.
http://blog.brianeden.com/wp-content/img_7481rev.jpg
This one is not for Jeremy.
Don't go look at this picture, Jeremy.
Synova said..."tea parties"
Sorry, but they're called "teabag" parties.
Urban Dictionary: Tea-Bag
Tea-Bag - 8 definitions - Dipping your testicles into the open mouth of another person. Kind of like dipping a tea bag in and out of a cup of water.
Sound like fun?
David and Seven are available...
I rather like my picture, and many of my favorite lefties here have commented that they find it humorous, and that makes me happy.
I respect people who know about the world.
But, anyway, Micheal: why the name change?
Synova - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Y0s&ei=_bjiSaeiNpSetAPV8_yrCQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=tea+bag+meetings&spell=1
Jeremy,
I'm interested in your departures and arrivals only to the extent that you say that you're washing your hands of the whole business, but come back less than half an hour later as though you'd never left.
I don't suppose you're interested in addressing my substantive points? No? Then back to sleep with you. No doubt whatever you gulped down in that less-than-half-an-hour is going to make your night a little nasty. I wish you all good digestion, to the extent possible.
Those are just a few of the contenders I have marauded, Synova.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2379742865_d8cc230ac8.jpg?v=0
And now....
Seven Machos said..."I rather like my picture, and many of my favorite lefties here have commented that they find it humorous, and that makes me happy."
The picture makes me very happy too.
It's really cool.
Jeremy... you tea bag yourself by being that stupid on purpose.
OH MY DOG... the guy in the bathtub *is* Seven Machos! It's the same mask.
(I think maybe I should change my name and move houses now....)
For the record, I cheer and celebrate the pirates' demise.
Also, for the record, I'm a former infantryman with combat experience. While overseas, I physically lived in the battalion aid station and saw almost every casualty that came through. Some were seriously wounded. Some were my friends. Some had lost so much blood I didn't think I would see again. (I did, thank heaven).
For the record, I think what happened to the pirates was pretty cool.
Every combat veteran I've talked to so far is cheering their untimely perforation. I don't imagine any of them won't be.
Also, for the record, having read Jeremy's stupid 3:47 comment and some others, I'm calling him a condescending idiot.
Jeremy. Don't make an ass out of yourself by speculating how combat vets feel about smoking these cretins.
You don't understand warriors. You don't understand the dynamics involved in the use of force. Hilariously, you don't understand that "tea party" and "teabagging" are not at all the same thing.
You don't understand shit.
You are a parody of liberal stupidity.
If you crossed my path I'd be tempted to bitch-slap you on general principle. But that would be illegal, and give you an opening to be even more stupidly comical than you already are.
So I'd probably just laugh at you and then ignore you and go back to talking with the adults at the table.
Seven - Why do you use the picture of a terrorist?
My, my. How Un-American and un-patriotic of you Jeremy, or whatever your name is. No true American would make such an indecent accusation without the true facts. No true American would call another American a terrorist.
You pass yourself off as better educated than the rest of us, more intelligent than the rest of us, and more worldly than the rest of us. You claim that you live near the Mexican border and are in business with a “Hispanic” person. I guess you aint so fucking smart after all, you insulting, racist, hater.
I just happen to know what that mask is. I have seen it many times. It is not a picture of a terrorist nor does it have any terrorist connotations.
To some it is a source of pride. To others it is what it is; they do not have to explain. I am not going to tell you the meaning of Seven’s mask or what it is. But, you have proven to us that you are nothing but a low life. One aspect of racism is ignorance. You have proven yours.
You are a McCarthyite. A man of no shame, decency, or morals. You are not cultured, educated, intelligent, or even smart. You are just another boob operative regurgitating whatever you are told to by your superiors. You are the clown, sent out to get laughed at.
Do you keep your white hood and robes in the closet?
I did find your choice of shampoo and conditioner odd, Synova. I must say.
mdulakthomson said..."Jeremy,
I'm interested in your departures and arrivals only to the extent that you say that you're washing your hands of the whole business, but come back less than half an hour later as though you'd never left."
And you find this "interesting"??
I find it obsessive and strange.
I haven't paid any attention to your comings and goings at all.
http://www2.warnerbros.com/lucha/home.html
And lastly! (I'm sure that disappoints so many!)
At the Mucha Lucha homepage you can create your very own wrestler!
Michael -- Why the name change?
Hey Seven,
Maybe we should do the Chicago thing on Jermey or whatever the fuck his name is.
You pass yourself off as better educated than the rest of us, more intelligent than the rest of us, and more worldly than the rest of us.
But not successfully.
Peter - "No true American would call another American a terrorist."
When did call him a terrorist?
Oh, wait.
I didn't.
That's a lie.
I said it was weird that he uses a picture of a terrorist. (He says it's a terrorist wrestler.)
Take a look and tell me you can't see the similarities:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_munich.php
I have a challenge for Seven and anybody else who wants to take part:
Everybody show up tomorrow at any airport, any train station, a federal building, etc....wearing one of Seven's Mexican wrestler outfits and let me now how you're received.
Not that it looks anything like a terrorist.
Peter V. Bella said..."Hey Seven,
Maybe we should do the Chicago thing on Jermey or whatever the fuck his name is."
I hope that's not the same as the teabag things Synova already has going with Seven.
Maybe she'll share.
*You can all wear those cool terrorist masks.
Jeremy hates Mexican people.
Synova -- That is so cool. I made the perfect wrestler. Sadly, I cannot copy him into a picture.
You denied calling him a terrorist, hey if you want to parse words, find by me. But you never denied being a racist and a hater. So, where know where you stand.
Michael -- Why the name change?
Jeremy,
Since you probably are an Obamist, you do not know about any other religions. The Chicago thing is kind of like transfiguration. We make you into something else.
Herr Michael/Luckyoldson/Jeremy wants everyone to walk in Lockstep behind Obama and the Thousand year Democratic Party Reich!
Herr Michael/Luckyoldson/Jeremy is a representative of the Modern SA's to make sure everyone supports President Obama and the Thousand year Democratic Reich!
Seig Jeremy!
Hey hey! Ho Ho! Althouse trolls have got to go.
Althouse local 101
Peter - Are you illiterate? Is someone writing your comments? Reading ours?
I asked why he used a picture of a terrorist.
If you don't think it looks like a terrorist, wear a similar outfit to the bank tomorrow.
JSF - I can't respond to you. You're too creepy.
You can all wear those cool terrorist masks.
When we used to make raids, some of us wore those types of masks. The only people who called us terrorists were criminals.
Special ops people the world over, including AMERICAN FORCES, wear those kinds of masks. Are they terrorists Jeremy, or whatever the fuck your name is? Are you calling American police officers and American Special Ops people terrorists?
As a true American, it is unpatriotic to refer to military and police as terrorists.
Synova said..."Jeremy hates Mexican people."
Oh, that was a good one.
Could you take some close-ups of your teabag encounter with Seven?
Herr Michael/Luckeyoldson/Jeremy vants to silence the dissent from President Obama and the Thousand Year Democratic Party Reich!
Herr Michael/Luckyoldson/Jeremy wants everyone to walk in Lockstep behind President Obama!
According to Michael/Luckyoldson/Jeremy, dissent must be silenced!
Seig Jeremy!
Jeremy insists that Mexican wrestlers are terrorists.
Why do you hate Mexicans, Jeremy?
Peter - "As a true American, it is unpatriotic to refer to military and police as terrorists."
Say what?
Are you drunk again?
If you don't think it looks like a terrorist, wear a similar outfit to the bank tomorrow.
Well, if I were going to make a withdrawl and a hasty retreat, I would.
Michael -- If I wore this mask in Chicago tomorrow, I could charge for autographs.
Why the name change?
Why do you hate Mexicans, Jeremy?
Probably because in his mind they are all dirty, filthy, illegal breeders who should be shipped back to wear they camed from. You know how those racists think.
Can't go into a bank with a motorcycle helmet on either...
Motorcyclists must be terrorists, too.
Or try going into a bank with a big floppy hat and big sunglasses...
Or a ski mask...
Or a paper bag over your head...
Or a wig, backward...
Cousin It is a terrorist!!!!
I've never been so afraid as I am right now. Surrounded as we are by terrorists who can't even go into a bank because their face is covered.
Synova, actually I'm business partners with a long time Hispanic friend, and not once have I ever seen him wearing a mask like we see in Seven's picture.
He also thinks it looks like a terrorist. In fact, I've yet to show the picture to anybody who didn't say the same thing..."terrorist."
Nobody ever mentioned Mexican wrestlers.
*You people are a little touchy about this picture thing aren't you?
Funny.
Michael -- If I wore this mask in Chicago tomorrow, I could charge for autographs.
I will be your body guard. We could start on 26th Street, hit Cicero and Berwyn, then Humboldt Park; then move over to Logan Square; then go to the South East Side.
You would make a killing.
Michael -- Why the name change?
Synova said..."Can't go into a bank with a motorcycle helmet on either..."
I see you're also drunk again.
Who the fuck wears a motorcycle helmet inside a bank?
Don't forget Ukrainian Village.
We could probably raise enough money to get Michael the help he needs, Peter.
*You people are a little touchy about this picture thing aren't you?
Funny.
Nope, you brought it up and showed the whole world just how fucking ignorant, racist, and unworldly you really are.
Seven - "If I wore this mask in Chicago tomorrow, I could charge for autographs."
Don't get out of the trailer much do you?
Try out he airport thing first.
Don't forget Ukrainian Village.
We could probably raise enough money to get Michael the help he needs, Peter.
Man, I just almost spewed my wine all over. I forgot about those Mexicans in Ukranian Village.
Michael -- Why the name change?
Ukrainian Village definitely needs a name change. I have friends who live there and I always tell them I will pay good money if they can produce a single Ukrainian.
Fabulous tacos, though.
Herr Michael/Luckyoldson/Jeremy belives Every American must stand behind President Obama and the Democratic party Thousand year Reich!
Herr Michael/Luckyolson/Jeremy job is to stifle dissent for the Thousand year Reich and President-for-Life Obama!
Seig Jeremy!
Peter - "Nope, you brought it up and showed the whole world just how fucking ignorant, racist, and unworldly you really are."
Ignorant, racist and unworldly?
Cut back on the booze and drugs, Dude.
I have NO idea how my comment about the picture would conjure up any of this drivel.
And we both know who the real racist is, Peter.
Michael -- Why the name change?
Michael -- Why the name change?
Mommy and Daddy found out about his anti-American and un-patriotic views and threatened to cut off the trust fund. He had to do something quick.
JSF - Didn't you post the same silliness a while ago?
That memory course not paying off?
Come on, Michael. Tell us.
We'll tackle your sock puppet next.
Jeremy: First of all they're called "pirates" because the actions take part on the high seas. If they were farmers for instance, defending their homeland from an oppressive King...you know, like America...they would be considered "patriots."
*And could you tell me what YOU would do if YOU were having your food source and health obliterated by major corporate shipping concerns? Do YOU live near a beach? Are you dependent upon fishing to survive?
Having served in Somolia during Restore Hope, I can say that you are full of it. These are gangs that rape and pillage anything that moves, foreign or somoli, under the guise of "victims" for useful idiots like yourself to equivocate about.
As for Obama:
"The standing authority gave them clearance to engage the pirates if the life of the captain was in imminent danger. The on scene commander deemed this to be true and gave the order to fire. This was not a rescue attempt ordered by National Command Authority i.e. the President. It was a reaction by the on scene commander under standard authority to safeguard the life of a hostage.
He did affirm the military's authorization to use force if the captain's life was in danger, but they already would have had that authorization as part of their standard rules of engagement. If there are innocents about to be slaughtered the same reasoning that authorizes self defense also covers an imminent execution unless the ROE specifically forbid it.
The AP is making it sound like there was an active rescue ordered by the President. It was not, there was an imminent threat and the local commander gave the order to fire. Good on Obama for ensuring their authorization was clear, but let's also be clear that he did not authorize or order an active rescue attempt."
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/04/how-the-rescue-happened.html
And fuck you Jeremy for politicizing this.
If you don't think it looks like a terrorist, wear a similar outfit to the bank tomorrow.
Jeremy, or whatever the fuck your name is, bank robbers are not terrorists. They do not even wear masks anymore. Bad analogy boyo.
I just want to know why Michael keeps changing his name.
Fen,
Thanks for showing up and clarifying this to that asshole. But just where the fuck were you hours ago?
Here's to us and those like us. The rest are dead. RIP.
Any bank robber or terrorist who wishes to appropriate the Mexican wrestler mask I found on Google may do so. I have no means to stop it.
So, Michael, why the name change?
Seven - JSF just found out about this teabag meeting you're having, and when he discovered it meant you would be dipping your testicles into the open mouth of another commenter he wondered if you could make some time to get together.
Don't tell Synova or Pete.
Michael -- Why the name change?
Fen - The resident military expert.
Right.
Are you attending Seven's teabag (wink, wink) meeting?
JSF is.
Michael -- Why the name change?
I also find it amusing that the leftist troll here is homophobic.
Is that why you change your name?
Peter: Thanks for showing up and clarifying this to that asshole. But just where the fuck were you hours ago?
Hah. Ya man, sorry. Had wifey aggro.
Jeremy's reaching for the gross shock value now, so obviously you guys have reamed him pretty good.
Jeremy: Fen - The resident military expert.
Regarding Somolia? Yah, I'm pretty much the expert.
And we both know who the real racist is, Peter.
You know Jeremy, or whatever the fuck your name is, several people of various races, ethnicities, and sexual orientations, would consider those fighting words or worse. Why, in your fucking ignorance you may ask? They are all close personal friends of mine.
You are a baboon. Once again, you have showed the world your ass.
You are also a coward.
Peter - The resident bank robber expert (used to be a cop):
"Jeremy, or whatever the fuck your name is, bank robbers are not terrorists. They do not even wear masks anymore. Bad analogy boyo.
Bank robber waits in Line wearing Ski mask (Seven?) Jan 11, Stow, Ohio
Bank robber wearing "Scream" Mask Tampa
Doctor Wearing Gas Mask Arrested In Austin Bank Robbery
Man Nabbed at Bank Wearing Stocking Mask Jun 30, 2004 ... VERSAILLES, Ill.
Man wearing Halloween mask robs Garner bank
There's only about 60,000 other examples.
Michael/Lucky/ Lucy/ German Valise/Lyle/ Jeremy:
Why don't you answer Seven and tell us why you change your name so often?
This is just a bloodletting at this point.
I also find it amusing that the leftist troll here is homophobic.
I also find it amusing that the leftist racist troll here is homophobic.
There, all fixed up. Nice and tidy. We must be neat and tidy and above all accurate.
Actually its kinda pathetic.
Dear HuffPo - please take your intern back and send us a real troll.
This is just a bloodletting at this point.
Blood Sport?
It is pretty strange that the guy proclaiming leftism is a racist and a gay hater.
We have a pretty good group of leftists here. I like them. Really, I do. It's sad that trolls ruin the salon.
I do wonder about that name change. But I also feel a little sorry for a guy who went and googled bank robberies + ski masks.
Hey Fen,
Did you see the comment where he, Jeremy, said he, yeah he, would actually shoot a pirate.
I mean, I laughed so hard, I almost cried.
who went and googled bank robberies + ski masks.
Yeah, especially when most of the robberies are follwoed by a nice video still of the bank robber's face.
FEN - "Operation Restore Hope in Somalia from 03 December 1992 to
4 May 1993"
Doesn't seem relevant today:
Poverty In Somalia
Poverty in Somalia has become a prominent and continuing affair. People in Somalia, have acclimatized to the consequences of poverty.
Approximately, 43% of Somalia's population live below the poverty line. Poverty in Somalia is more pronounced in the rural areas than in the urban regions.
Two specific regions of Somalia; Somaliland, located in the north west and Puntland, located in the north east, experience more stability with regard to socio economic conditions.
Stability in the two areas may be attributed to the fact that, Somaliland and Puntland have independent governing bodies.
On the contrary, the southern part of Somalia, is comparatively poorer and suffers from unstable economic conditions.
The southern part of Somalia, where conflict and confusions reign supreme, is subjected to food shortage. Somalia economy suffers from lack of proper infrastructure.
Causes of Poverty in Somalia:
Poverty in Somalia, can be attributed to a number of factors. The prominent ones being absence of an active central government, civil disputes, natural calamities like floods and droughts.
Poverty in Somalia has increased manifold since 1990. Somalia, witnessed many inhibiting factors like downfall of the government, outbreak of the civil war, which further aggravated the problem of poverty in Somalia.
Effects of poverty in Somalia:
Malnutrition prevails throughout Somalia. Majority of women in Somalia are uneducated. Somalia lacks enough family planning and health awareness programs. Maternal mortality rates are among the highest in Somalia.
Studies reveal that pregnancy and childbirth are two factors, due to which as many as 45 women die everyday in Somalia.
Poverty in Somalia is far flung. People are dying due to hunger and illness is steeply on the rise. The comparatively stronger section of the population have dominated the less privileged and confiscated their agricultural lands.
Illness and famine are reigning supreme in Somalia. For this reason, many people of Somali have shifted their base and moved away to adjoining nations.
Herr Michael/Luckyoldson/Jeremy wants everyone to walk in Lockstep behind Obama and the Thousand year Democratic Party Reich!
There is no Democratic Party Third Reich, so calm down.
The entity currently known as Michael is a troll; his schtick is to rile up threads with irrelevant or inflammatory rhetoric. He hasn't a thing to do with any meaningful liberal or leftwing political thought. He is much more a disservice to than an advocate of liberalism or the Democratic party (not always the synonymous). In fact, he's such a poor voice for what he supposedly represents, I halfway suspect he's a clever rightwing foil. Overall, I think he's just someone who ought to be taking more meds and has found an obsession to entertain himself.
Now he's googling Somalia.
Instead of googling Somalia (as if it is greatly different now than it was a few years ago), Michael, why not tell us about the name change?
Hey Jeremy, or whatever the fuck your name is; do you look in the mirror everyday and shout "I hate you! I hate you! I hate you!
Just curious.
Peter - YOU said bank robbers don't wear masks anymore.
As in: "Jeremy, or whatever the fuck your name is, bank robbers are not terrorists. They do not even wear masks anymore. Bad analogy boyo.
Why are you trying to back out of what you said?
Because it was pure bullshit?
Because you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground?
Beth - There's big teabag testicle dipping party planned with Seven, Synova, JSF and others.
If you make a reservation right now you could probably get a mask, too.
Don't waste another minute sucking up...
I agree 10000 percent with Beth. I have wondered if he's a demented conservative myself.
Tow of the reasons I come here are (1) there are very thoughtful lefties and (2) there are very thoughtful rigthies.
I cannot stand going to, say Little Green Footballs, where the comments are often scary and make the right look loony. Were I a person of the left, I'd absolutely hate this guy.
I'd also wonder about the frequent name changes.
Poverty in Somalia? That so called country has been impoverished for decades. What is so new now? Try chaos. That is the probelm. No government, no structure, no law. Just chaos. Whose fault is it? Their fucking own.
Now let us move on and discuss your racism and irrational hatred towards other ethnic peoples, the military, law enforcment, and America in general.
Seven Machos said..."Tow of the reasons I come here are (1) there are very thoughtful lefties and (2) there are very thoughtful rigthies."
And of course, the wrestling terrorist.
Peter - Slow down on the booze and pills.
Michael -- Why the name change?
Peter - I'm sorry, but anybody who doesn't know bank robbers sometimes wear masks lacks credibility.
The fact that you say you were a cop makes it even more disturbing.
Michael -- Why the name change?
Seven - I want you to be careful when you do the testicle drop with JSF.
I mean it.
Could you take some close-ups of your teabag encounter with Seven?
My, my how base. You are really hung up on this teabagging thing. Is this something you practice with a "partner" when the wifey is away? Or, as Seven has stated, do you harbor an irrational hatred towards homosexuals; are you a homophobe?
Now please, it is late. Go wash your face, brush your teeth, and get on your knees and pray to the picture or statue of Obama that you have in your bedroom. Let the adults have some time to themselves.
Michael -- Why the name change?
Peter - I'm sorry, but anybody who doesn't know bank robbers sometimes wear masks lacks credibility.
The fact that you say you were a cop makes it even more disturbing.
How many bank robbers have you arrested? How many bank robbery reports have you taken? How many bank crime scenes have you processed? How many bank robberies have you investigated?
Yeah, you are a real expert. A regular fucking Einstein on crime.
BTW, Michael, why did you change your name?
It is funny to see the guy flail. What are you, some kind of military expert? What are you, some kind of crime expert
Yes and yes.
Beth - There's big teabag testicle dipping party planned with Seven, Synova, JSF and others.
If you make a reservation right now you could probably get a mask, too.
Don't waste another minute sucking up...
You really crossed the line. You are not human. You have no humanity. Beth is one of the nicest and least offensive people to comment here. She never insults or demeans people. She just agrees, disagrees, or posts an opinion. She is one also one of the most caring people here.
You owe her an apology. Oh, I forgot. Sheesh. Excuse the fuck out of me. Being an extremist liberal means never having to say you are sorry.
You are a pathetic, worthless, piece of shit. You are nbot fit to wear the title of human being.
It is 1:06am CDT. Do you knowwhere your Jeremy is?
Good night all. Pleasant dreams. Tomorrow will always be better than today.
O/T: Seven, if you have a PC (as opposed to a Mac), the steps for getting an on-screen image into a file are pretty simple -- you use the PrtSc button (usually you have to press Shift, or sometimes on a laptop, Fn at the same time) and it puts the entire screen contents into the clipboard. Then you can go into an application like Paint and Copy the image so you can crop it down to the part you want, and then save the new image as a JPEG. Easy as pie. There's probably an even easier way to do it on a Mac, but I'm no help there.
I would've emailed, but your address isn't on your profile.
BTW, anyone who doesn't recognize your photo as a Lucha libre wrestler's mask is hopeless. Because, you know, terrorists and bank robbers always take the time to design colorful applique and embroidery details on their masks, so they'll be distinctive and instantly recognizable... that's definitely the angle they're going for, for sure.
7M/All: For the record, he said donning his Nomex flame suit, I detest masks in general. I find the Mexican wrestling masks extremely disturbing - menacing - worthy of a nation that celebrates the Day of the Dead. No doubt this is a flaw in my character, but I would never vote to convict anyone for shooting a person wearing a mask. What are you, The Gimp?
Apparently for some reason SOF and police sometimes seem to feel the need to wear masks. I regret and deplore this. We are the good guys. Why are we wearing masks? No doubt they have their reasons but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
Jeremy, Michael or whatever your name is: I know that people of your sort recognize no boundaries except inasmuch as they can be used in an Alinskyesque sense to cause damage to an opponent, but just FYI, "teabagging" lowers you in my opinion.
Pause for horselaugh.
All: While this was a highly satisfactory outcome, and while pirates are hostis humani generis, to be dealt with as wolves are, I have to check my impulse to join in when the cheering approaches bloodlust.
Referencing not Easter but Passover as is my wont, I am reminded of the angels' joy at the immolation of the Egyptians in the Red Sea - and at God's response: (IIRC)
The work of My hands lies at the bottom of the sea, and you would offer up to Me a song?
Or, if you prefer, consider that the pirates would have been more fun/useful to interrogate, torture, kill or otherwise exploit in much more interesting ways than the clean death of a rifle bullet through the head. Jack Bauer would rather have captured them, IOW. And I am all about WWJBD?
So thanks to all concerned for the excellent doing of a dirty, necessary job.
I have no answers for anyone tonight. Except that perhaps you surveil the coast with Predators, and on an insurance basis, rent each ship in question the services of a forward air controller.
See the pirates - make the incantation - call down Zeus' thunderbolt (or rather Hellfire) upon the evildoers. Game, set, match. Cheaper than deploying the Bainbridge.
How much would it cost to surveil a ship in this manner? $25,000/day? For a day or two in the danger zone this seems tenable compared to the alternative. Paint a huge "Protected by Predator" on each side of the hull and they'll stay away in droves, no?
We could go Col. Kurtz and "exterminate all the brutes!" but who knows that there is not more to explore here? Do we really have to defend everybody else's rotten ships? Enough to protect the American flag. Perhaps the European rotters deserve it in toto for the dumping and poaching, if true. Or rather, the Euros and Somalis deserve each other. Why would I turn the US Navy into acomplices in French, British, Italian perfidy?
Finally, I think that nobody posting here has displayed any great understanding of the nautical aspects of the situation. Briefly - things are different at sea.
/doffs Nomex
Jeremy: And speaking of Beth, it is always pleasing when such an amiable person stops being misguided and agrees with me; yet as an honest liberal, she rarely does, so it is odd for you to so vilely attack her. Odd, counterproductive, but revealing of your true nature - which is not something that is good to contemplate.
Beth, see where your good intentions get you with such types. One step out of sync with the "Party line," and you stop being a person and become a thing to them.
Because, you know, terrorists and bank robbers always take the time to design colorful applique and embroidery details on their masks
Joan! Good one!
Peter and Nichevo - thanks.
Yes, others have answered him well already, but I want to throw my two cents in as well:
Montagne Mointaigne said...
In general though, does anyone argue that the penalty for theft should be death? How about for kidnapping? Kidnapping children?"
The mere threat of inflicting death on their hostage is justification enough for the pirate's death. What you're missing in your calculus is that it was the pirates who brought lethality into the debate, not the US Navy or the kidnapped sea captain to begin with. They set the stage that invited lethal force in. They were the ones invoking the captain's death in their demands. Since there was no way to be certain when they would make the decision to carry out their threats, the necessity for action fell upon the US Navy.
You can't make this argument apply to this specific situation by saying that they were penalized for theft. In reality, they were penalized for attempted murder.
Thanks for the post Ann. You can't doubt that the US took care of the situation, but we'll have to wait to see what the long-term consequences of how they handled it will be. Still, these are some reasons to be a pirate, and getting shot by snipers isn't one of them: http://www.toptentopten.com/topten/reasons+to+be+a+pirate
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