IN THE COMMENTS: Revenant saiD"
From now on, when a Democrat says "But what if McCain drops dead on his first day in office?!?!?!" I'm going to say "dude -- don't tease me like that."Prosecutorial Indiscretion said:
The response from the left tells us all we need to know: "You know someone else wrote that speech, right?"john(classic) said:
When that's all you have, you don't have much. The speech was awesome, Palin is awesome, and there is palpable fear from the left as they realize that the woman they denigrated as a backwoods PTA mom is going to give them all kinds of hell for the next two months with a big and sincere smile on her face.
Given all the slime thrown at her over the last 5 days, I feel like I just watched one of those action films where the hero disappears in debris, smoke, and a roar, the music pauses, and the hero steps forward out of the smoke, samurai sword slung over his shoulder. The music swells.Beldar said:
But I gotta get used to saying "heroine."
First-inning grand-slam.Well, speaking of fake illness, maybe Biden is so ill, he needs to step down. You know, he's reminds me so much of Eagleton. (Just reversing that idiotically insincere Eagleton meme.)
By the vice presidential debate, they may have Biden fake illness, give her an intentional walk. She's going to kill them at every single at-bat.
Dark Eden said:
One word: Thatcher
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Crap.
There's no "cruel neutrality" about Althouse whatsoever. She's in the tank for Sarah Palin.
She won't tell us why Sarah Palin is qualifiued to be Commander in Chief, though.
She was very concerned that Obama make a responsible VP pick. She won't tell us why she thinks McCain made a responsible pick.
Can someone just make an automatic LoafingOaf Palin slur generator? It shouldn't be difficult programming. Hell, it will probably end up being smarter than the real one.
She's in the tank for Sarah Palin.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Best Althouse-themed comment of the night.
In one sense, though, I'm sure Ann does love Gov. Palin: her stats must be going through the roof with these comment threads.
I loved the speech, and particularly enjoyed Krauthammer's summary of it (paraphrased): Palin didn't just give the audience some red meat, she slaughtered a small cow out there for them.
It was so wonderful to hear all of Obama's applause lines turned against him.
Ann is also not concerned with putting ANY negative or even less than enthusiastic Palin reviews on the front page. They probably aren't "interesting" to her. She only posts the positive comments. Big surprise, I know.
ZPS said: I took the F train
I think you're mixing porn genre there. You meant to say "I took the A train"
I thought she started off blandly. A post-Rudy effect? I always find him captivating.
She repeated verbatim everything she said during her debut on Monday. That's a turn-off.
But as she went on, she landed one haymaker after another and I soon found myself snickering with delight. Her every criticism sharp, and spot-on, zeroing in on my every antipathy toward Obama, and the Democrats generally--even finding a few new ones (e.g., the two books about Obama himself-- heh).
The Democrats were once my party; to say that I feel disaffected lo these last ten years is putting it mildly...
When she finished I thought, she's a star; she's a classic. I felt exhilarated.
Then she picked up her baby, and that seemed contrived, scripted. Very convention-y. But allowable, and kind of interesting. (Would a man ever do that? Why not?)
All in all, for a convention speech, I thought it was a great one. (Not that I'm an expert.)
I'd say I feel 85% good about her, which is high for me.
'fingloaf said: She won't tell us why Sarah Palin is qualifiued to be Commander in Chief, though.
Why should Ann repeat what Sarah Palin already said?
Hands off! Zach and I are to be the Levi and Bristol of the Althouse blog.
I guess me and Titus are off the hook.
haha. We carpet bombed their cities and napalmed villages, nay, napalmed entire forests.
But that's not the point. Torture is torture putting a man in stress positions for days doesn't change what it is because it's being done, "for a good cause".
I'm for torture in certain circumstances, but I'm not a self deluded moron who doesn't realize moral danger of the position.
Am more than a little surprised at how many thinking people are ready to turn over the most important governmental decisions to a young-earth creationist.
Hey Qwerty, can you show us a specific link, because she is not a young-earth creationist.
That myth has been debunked here and in other blogs more times than we all can say.
Cheers,
Victoria
If the republicans keep trying to bring up how awesome the vietnam war was, Christopher Hitchens might have to think about voting Obama.
Vspurs...
She's a creationist. Why can't some people be honest with themselves? Embrace Sara Palin in all her christianist glory.
And no, it's not been "debunked"
I really don't care about creation-science as an issue - but people who hold that view (whether they claim they will enforce it as policy or not) are not people I am eager to see in leadership positions.
It seems then, Qwerty, that you come to the Althouse table only with preconceived ideas about the KIND of woman Sarah Palin is, based on some associations you had with women LIKE her.
When you actually come with facts, rather than gut checks and resemblences, then your argument will look less laughable.
I'm usually welcoming and kind, but really, this kind of stuff is ridiculous.
Cheers,
Victoria
And in October of 2006, the Anchorage Daily News reported that Palin said the following about creationism at a debate:
"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information....Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.
That is a moronic statement and so sad that her father was a science teacher.
She's a creationist. Why can't some people be honest with themselves? Embrace Sara Palin in all her christianist glory.
Prove it.
She said she was not against allowing Creationism to be taught ALONGSIDE Evolution in the schools in a gubernatorial debate.
As Governor of Alaska these 24 months, she has done nothing even remotely close to pushing a Creationist agenda.
I don't care if she is in reality, but this is an absurd myth being pushed for strategic reasons by a crowd increasingly scared crapless by the lady.
Vspurs: Explain how teaching creation in a science class is good science.
And her word was, "proponent".
Charles Johnson at LFG has spent the last 6 months trying to turn the religious nuts who visit his site away from magic and superstition.
and then he abouts face and says, "oh, no big deal that she believes in unicorns"
it's a speech (and the type of endorsement) hillary wish she could have given obama at the dncconvention.
She's not a Female Ted Nugent, 'cause Ted Nugent don't believe in creationism.
too bad she's got the guns'n'hunting thing down...
uws,
I resent the hate-term "Christianist". It is a term of hatred meant to describe and belittle those Christians whose beliefs have lead them to take a different political (Read "conservative") stance than the user of the slur likes.
Those who use it are of the same caliber as those who use "nigger" for black people and "kike" for Jew.
I am a Christina, and I don't stoop to bigoted terms to describe you or anyone that opposes my point of view. I resent you doing it to me and those who believe as I do.
You may be an anti-Christian bigot, but there should be a standard of decency in writing here.
Ann, you would not allow some to describe or call others here "niggers" or "wetback" without censoring them.
You should not allow bigotry against certain Christians to be expressed in the slur "Christianist" either.
LAWL White American Christians are just like Blacks and jews...
All the church burnings and lynchings....and whatnot...
If you will say Gay people deserve equal civil rights and the right to marry than I'll never say the word christianist again.
I swear to god.
it's a speech (and the type of endorsement) hillary wish she could have given obama at the dncconvention.
I thought Chris Matthews immediate post-speech commentary was spot on, BTW.
(He is usually at his best with his first gut instinct about something. It's when he starts to notice a meme developing, that he gleefully joins in, and allows Olbermann's misanthropy to derail his thoughts)
He said that at no point was he reminded of Hillary Clinton in this speech, and that on that score, he believes McCain chose Palin -- in my words, not because she's a Hillary substitute, but because she is the last person on earth like Hillary Clinton.
Ann Currie of the Today show interviewed some members of the Florida delegation, on the floor of the convention. One lady said:
"She's the face of America"
Exactly.
Cheers,
Victoria
Great speech and I'm pretty sure that a lot of women this weekend will be going to their hair stylists to ask for the Palin because the Jennifer is now out.
Men on the other hand are looking over at their wives and already are planning on fitting them with same glasses that SP wore hoping to strike it rich right after they get home from their hairdressers to get the Palin.
UWS guy said...
If you will say Gay people deserve equal civil rights and the right to marry than I'll never say the word christianist again.
You can't do that. Otherwise, what will your boss, Ms. Sullivan say? I can see the hysteria and histrionics brewing right now as we speak at the thought that you now cease your newly adopted meme.
I spent 4 years in bible college. I know her type (and the Monica Goodlings of the world) better than most posters here. I am not as sanguine about our future with these types in positions of authority.
Ah! One of those! The bitterness from such experiences can run deep. I spent 4 years in an elite Christian college, 3 years in seminary, and on my way for more. I know her type too. Working in churches. Getting to know folks.
And I know your type.
That's a sad type indeed. Sorry your time was so bad, and whatever happened since then got a root of bitterness in you.
But you have no discernment at all for Palin's type if you are lumping her in with those who caused you so much emotional pain.
Forgive, my friend. Let go that bitterness and frustration. It's your choice. You'll be happier for it. Don't blame others, that leads only to darkness.
uws
You do not get to define the terms for stopping your hate-filled slurs. you don't get to tell a black man that if he agrees with your views, then you'll stop calling him "nigger"
"Christianist" is a hate-term, and I resent it. I am a Christian. Disagree all you want, but you don't have the right to throw around hate slurs. You should stop.
uws guy said: I swear to god.
Little "g" but but "O" huh?
How miniscule are your arguments.
BRENT, IS THERE ANY REASON YOU ARE WRITING IN ALL BOLD? IT IS REALLY ANNOYING. K TANKZ BAI.
Men on the other hand are looking over at their wives and already are planning on fitting them with same glasses that SP wore hoping to strike it rich right after they get home from their hairdressers to get the Palin.
The funny thing is, I need to get glasses soon, so I'm in the market.
I don't have the same square cheekbone structure (I wonder if she has a bit of Native American blood in her too?) instead having a nice oval, but you know, maybe I'll choose a "Sarah".
BTW, it was the Rachel not the Jennifer. Believe me, I am no expert, Methadras. I never watched a second of Friends. I just know haircuts. ;)
Cheers,
Victoria
K TANKZ BAI.
LOL.
When a person uses the word "Christianist," it tells you almost everything you need to know about that person's beliefs.
Generally, it's not someone I would engage in conversation, since it's a waste of time.
So Zachary,
a guy calls someone the religious equivalent of "nigger" and all you care about is the prettiness of the font?
Are you a hate-filled bigot,too?
Donn,
When a person uses the word "Christianist," it tells you almost everything you need to know about that person's beliefs.
Generally, it's not someone I would engage in conversation, since it's a waste of time.
Actually Donn, that's the definition of bigot. Do you also hate black people and Mexicans? A little Jew-hatred thrown in there Donn for seasoning?
You don't know anything about me..
Christians aught to be a bit more humble IMO. Does anyone deny that christianists don't exist?
I will back track to the extent I doubt many people who comment here are actual fundies (except for the guy who sent me a death threat and talked about the evil jews in the thread on friday).
Nobody called you a christianist Brent though for the record so you don't need to feel slighted by phantom attacks.
vbspurs,
Are you in with Zachary? You agree with his hateful slurs?
After midnight this blog turns into Art Bell.
I'd be careful brent, again, about equating the 86% majority (white christian) with the plight of blacks in america.
uws,
Nobody called you a christianist Brent
So, because you used a religious hate slur equivalent to "nigger" on someone else, I and other Christians are not supposed to be offended?
You must have been really damaged in that college. I truly feel sorry for you.
Wow, I hope this is true that the teleprompter quit working half-way through the speech. I did think the last part was a little bit less fluid than the rest rhetorically, but I didn't notice the slightest change in composure or confidence in her at any point.
uws,
I'd be careful brent, again, about equating the 86% majority (white christian) with the plight of blacks in america.
What part of hate speech = wrong don't you get?
Brent,
Where do I say anything about hating anyone??? You need to be careful about calling people bigots you don't even know.
Christian fundamentalists lynched gays and blacks. CF have much to retard the rights of both.
Calling a bigot a bigot is not like calling a black person a racial epithet.
just because some christians need to feel like a prosecuted minority doesn't mean you are.
By the way uws, I've been beat up twice for being a Christian when I was younger, and no one knew any more about me than that when they started hitting me. And that was in Kansas City, Missouri.
I understand bigotry. And I can tell who is a bigot.
Are you a hate-filled bigot,too?
Yes, I am a hate filled bigot! Got a problem with that?
Seriously, I have no idea what in the woorrrrrrrrllllllld you guys are arguing about and I don't care. I simply saw your bold font and thought I'd talk about it.
That's all.
BRENT SAIDvbspurs,
Are you in with Zachary? You agree with his hateful slurs?
Yes, Victoria is in me and all the hateful slurs I have made. Look at them all! Look at Victoria's! We are hateful slur twins unleashing our bigotry on the world.
LOL...
"Victoria is in WITH me..."
Are you in with Zachary? You agree with his hateful slurs?
As ZPS alluded to, he and I are about as different as different can be, Brent.
But you know, either you learn to deal with regulars (he with me, I with him) or the atmosphere becomes untenable for the rest.
And besides, I know Zach is not as young as I thought he was, but I think he's salvageable. Like me, we both have some growin' up to do. :)
Cheers,
Victoria
SA_AH PA_IN delivered tonight -- loved it.
Just about to turn in guys, but wanted to share the best comment I read tonight about it.
Lorie Byrd read a comment suggesting Biden wear a cup.
;)
Cheers,
Victoria
Victoria,
Brent somehow included me in his argument with UWS because I made fun of him for using bold type. I've never said anything to him and, as I think you know, I have never hurled bigoted slurs at anyone here or anywhere for that matter.
For the first time in history, I'm pretty sure the VP debate will get higher ratings than the POTUS ones. The media are going to hype the "scrappy Scranton kid" and the "pitbull with lipstick" face off cage match to no end. It better live up to the hype.
And after tonight, Palin is in for a fight. She proved she is no "victim" or simple matronly figure when she read that speech...so now Obama and Biden have full rights to go after her hard and fast. Fun times.
"Can someone just make an automatic LoafingOaf Palin slur generator?"
Without lobotomizing myself first, you mean...?
vbspurs said...
The funny thing is, I need to get glasses soon, so I'm in the market.
Be still my heart. :D
I don't have the same square cheekbone structure (I wonder if she has a bit of Native American blood in her too?) instead having a nice oval, but you know, maybe I'll choose a "Sarah".
Doesn't matter. My father-in-law would have said that she comes from good stock and was a handsome woman. Yeah, I should have used a first name to describe the hairstyle.
BTW, it was the Rachel not the Jennifer. Believe me, I am no expert, Methadras. I never watched a second of Friends. I just know haircuts. ;)
Cheers,
Victoria
Right, the Rachel. I never watched Friends either, but I remember that it was Jennifer Aniston that had her hair in that particular straightened style. I'm a hairstyle connoisseur myself, but thanks for the correction.
OK--I did not have a chance to watch the speech not having a TV and all of that--I can tell by the comments how it went. Some thoughts--Gov Palin has had some dispicable abuse heaped on her--under tremendous pressure, and she responded brilliantly. Courage is grace under pressure and she delivered. She will eat Joe Biden and Barack Obama alive--esp when Obama is untethered from his teleprompter. Biden doesnt stand a chance.
Probably because most libs don't get out in the woods much they lost sight of a fundamental rule of woodsmanship: NEVER get between a mama bear and her cubs--
And this final thought: we are lucky to have Golda Meir and Dame Thatcher rolled together in one very attractive package.
Wait, the best one yet, from Brazilian paper, O Globo, a reader said in the comments:
What's the difference between a pitbull and a hockey mom?
The hockey mom bites.
LOL!
Zachary Paul Sire said...
Yes, Victoria is in me
A freudian slip illicits delusions of heterosexuality. You should wash your ass out with soap to set things right again.
The downside of the speech being so well received, especially by the conventional media, is that it is going to set the bar much higher for the VP debate. I'm sure they will set it up as poor old-school Senator Biden against vicious political prodigy Palin.
Benjamin: great line! Biden will be eaten alive.
Benjamin said...
The downside of the speech being so well received, especially by the conventional media, is that it is going to set the bar much higher for the VP debate. I'm sure they will set it up as poor old-school Senator Biden against vicious political prodigy Palin.
Either way, watching Biden click his dentures in exasperation as he is getting eviscerated or emasculated by Palin will be worth watching. I'm already ordering the popcorn. Jiffy Pop anyone?
The dems played right into this: the excrable attacks the exceeded any human decency and more: they made the fundamental tactical error: they underestimated their opponent. That sucking sound you hear are their assholes in the Obama camp. Wait until this woman gets out on the stump in PA and OH and talks about her union membership. Palin has put the blue collar swing states in play. She connects with Americans; Obama connects with elite Americans; Biden connects with no one--No contest.
And this: anyone think Gov Palin is going to drop out of this race as counselled by the NYT, talk left, the elite media and their running dogs? Hands please? They have reaped the whirlwind.
I haven't heard any of it yet, but Drudge has Obama Says Economic Issues Will Decide Election.
rh: the Obama camp, having made Palin the issue, now realizes they have stepped in big do do. They are trying to change the subject.
Amazing. Even Morning Joe is slobbering all over her.
Actually I do. You're a hate filled moron. You're to (sic) stupid to be a bigot.
Thanks for coming by to inject more complete idiocy into the comments, lobbing personal attacks without any merit or provocation! May you enjoy being anally raped by a herd of AIDS infested elephants.
DIE scum.
ZPS and methadras: why dont you guys start your own blog and see who can deliver the most repulsive insults--that way the rest of us don't have to wade thru them. Just sayin
Good line from Jonah Goldberg on The Corner:
"She was put on this earth to do two things: kill caribou and kick butt. She's all out of caribou."
If Sarah Palin is such a lightweight then why are the lefties throwing the kitchen sink at her?
If your opponent makes an enormous blunder -- as Obama would have us believe McCain has made -- you don't pull out all the stops to encourage him to correct it. You calmly sit back and watch the fun.
The fact that the left is positively raving and foaming at the mouth over this woman tells me this is not a blunder at all. She's a home run.
McCain has won my vote.
"In fact, it was almost 20 times as big."
So did he ever get the community organized? In what manner? What did he accomplish?
"The church-affiliated organization Obama worked for..."
Oh, so he worked for an organization. Was he the head of the church-affiliated organization? Or was he a worker-bee?
The dems, very foolishly, made this an Obama Palin race. Bad move.
McCain picked Palin because she would energize the republican base; Simon and I have been telling you that for a week. And if anything, she has upstaged McCain. Now contrast VP picks because the race has always been Obama McCain--how does Biden look against Palin? When is Joe going to pick up his hairplugs and drop out of the race--that poor bastard has to face this woman in a debate. You can bet he is puckered up.
Former Law Student, this is probably buried so deep that you'll never see it, but last night you said it was "wack" to put the private jet on EBay because nobody'd look for it there. I suspect you're quite wrong. Last week I took a sight-seeing cruise on a tour boat on Keuka Lake in the Finger Lakes of upstate New York. Part of the tour guide's patter told the story of the boat -- a double-decker affair with a restaurant and an open-air bar which had begun its tours of the Lake fairly recently. Turns out, sure enough, the tour company bought it on EBay. The tourists on board thought it was one of the funniest lines of the trip!
Interesting.
I have 'always' known most of the lyrics to the song "Barracuda", but never really thought much about what they meant.
This morning, I was reading about the story behind the song. Basically, some small record company tried to manufacture buzz about the band by putting out a rumor that they were having a lesbian affair with each other. After being questioned about the supposed affair (at first, Nancy thought they were asking her about her boyfriend), they got pissed and went and wrote the song.
The lyrics really are appropriate for Palin's situation.
"You lying so low in the weeds
I bet you gonna ambush me
Youd have me down down down down on my knees
Now wouldnt you, barracuda?
Back over time we were all
Trying for free
You met the porpoise and me
No right no wrong, selling a song-
A name, whisper game.
If the real thing dont do the trick
You better make up something quick
You gonna burn burn burn burn it to the wick
Ooooooh, barracuda?"
Frank Rich on Imus says American needs a President who is not white, to rebrand the country across the world.
Apparently it was a good speech.
Dark Eden:
Pardon me if this has been said in the 283 comments so far, and I missed it. But "One word: Thatcher" is a gigantic stretch. Thatcher was a Lion of England because she stood up to the monstrous USSR and didn't flinch. Sarah Palin, for all her virtues, would have to work a long time to earn such an appellation. She gave a great speech, and she did her campaign much good, and we can be happy about that without sniffing nitrous oxide.
So SK--you think that Gov Palin would flinch?
David Plouffe of the Obama campaign said, "Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies…"
Now I get what a community organizer is. It is nothing more than a liberal political activist, isn't it?
I wonder why they don't use that phrasing to describe it?
UWS guy said...
Christian fundamentalists lynched gays and blacks. CF have much to retard the rights of both.
Calling a bigot a bigot is not like calling a black person a racial epithet.
just because some christians need to feel like a prosecuted minority doesn't mean you are.
3:04 AM
White Christians created America, and a robust, viable culture full of rights with far more positives than negatives. As witnessed by not just whites, but African and Caribbean blacks clawing to get in.
And 600,000 Christian whites who died or were maimed in the Union Army ended slavery here, after the white Christians of Britain began a mmovement that resulted in the Royal Navy successfully tasked with eliminating international slave traffic.
From 1865 up to the Rodney King riots of 1992, some 4,000 blacks and 5500 whites were summarily lynched by mobs formed by "community organizers".
Except for riots, the typical blacks or white strung up was guilty as hell of murder or rape.
So white Christians in power lynched more whites than blacks, but abused their power on the margins and kept violent felony crime levels in a much poorer time at 20% of what crime rose to in the 70s.
OK, I can't accept that as anything to be proud of, but swift harsh justice kept the crime rate very low and saved far more innocents than the few in the ranks of the lynched that were truly innocent..
If we look though to what blacks have done in nations they have run, the pattern of African and Caribbean lynch mob justice is even more pronounced. And non-Christian whites in power, from the pagans, to Romans to Jews that both brought forth Christ demanding Romans execute him to the Jews and atheists that lynched millions in the Red Terror?
Behaviors that show that while white Christians are not faultless, neither are blacks and non-Christian whites.
As for the 4,000 blacks lynched as some great racial debt and grievance whites will enternally owe aggrieved and thus "morally superior" blacks amends for....lets not forget most of the lynched blacks were guilty. And the astronomical black crime rate of the last 50 years - half directed at groups outside the black population in the case of rape and robbery, with 30% of murders of other racial groups done by blacks - means that the historical tally of black thugs unjustly taking the lives of whites and other non-blacks dwarfs the historical "black lynching tally".
But liberals would absolutely hate it if on top of students having to remember 4,000 blacks were done in by white thugs assembled by community organizers they also had to know that 5500 mostly guilty whites were mostly done in (outside black mobs in riots) by the same sort of white thugs.
And they would hate like hell to teach that the "cumulative number" of whites murdered by blacks in excess of the number of blacks murdered by whites over the course of the last 50 years or even all of American history.
It's as inconvenient a number to the "progessive narrative" as comparing the historical cumulative number of people butchered and starved by Jewish and atheist Russian leaders of the Red Terror to the smaller number of people done in by the Nazis..
I love that the man who picked Biden as his veep comes out with a statement that she didn't write her own speech. If a writer was doing this to crank the irony meter, you would roll your eyes.
qwerty said...
"Hopefully she will be as glib ... when it comes to the biblical injunction to be submissive to her husband - unless we are ready to invest him with executive authority by proxy."
LMAO. Yeah - that woman is "submissive"! The first thing you thought watching that speech was, "boy, it's impressive how she follows her husband's lead."
If I was a lefty Dimmycrat, I have to be thinking I saw "Live Evil".
Palin-drome intended! ;-)
Brent, my opinion is that McCain should never use My friends in any speech, mainly because of the smarmy way he delivers the phrase.
LoafingOaf said...
"She won't tell us why Sarah Palin is qualifiued [sic.] to be Commander in Chief, though."
Haha. Figured out an answer to Host's question yet - why your boy is qualified to be Commander in Chief?
Great speech - so what?
I, for one, would love to be a fly on the wall in Team Obama's campaign HQ this AM. I suspect they are scrambling for some kind of response other than sniffling about speechwriters. This woman stood up to the most dispicable personal attacks and smears, and delivered a great speech which, I understand, was seen by 30 million viewers. Somehow I don't think she's going to drop out of this race. The dems and their fellating MSM allies totally misjudged her at their peril. Someone quoted ADM Yamamoto about waking the sleeping giant. The dems have done just that.
My favorite line:
"The American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery."
I want more to know what the middle thinks.
Come on over, Pogo.
If it was Palin's job to whip up the party and counter the critique that she's a lightweight, she succeeded. The speech was well-written and well-presented.
If her job was also to win over independents and moderates (or even Hillary supporters), anyone watching Giuliani would have had to force themselves to keep watching until Palin came on, and then I don't think anything she said was that persuasive. Giuliani's swipes at the other side were standard party rhetoric and seemed vicious and crude. Palin's were less so, and more justified since she could directly counter criticisms leveled at her. But after hearing Giuliani, those counter-arguments seemed an echo of his shrill attacks.
She did well. But I don't think she changed many minds.
I love that the man who picked Biden as his veep comes out with a statement that she didn't write her own speech.
Do you have a source for this remarkable quote? I couldn't find it in the news this AM. And you guys have a bad habit of equating Obama with what the most whacked out lefty-bloggers are saying
Brent, my opinion is that McCain should never use My friends in any speech, mainly because of the smarmy way he delivers the phrase.
You'd be surprised that no matter how irritating something can be to some, it demarcates you to others, and becomes part of your persona.
The trick is not to give up on it, or else it looks kooky. If he were to drop it when he becomes President, then yes, it would be smarmy.
Continue it, and it becomes inextricably linked to him in the history books. People like tradition, even if it irritates at first.
Cheers, <--
Victoria
FLS, here:
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement last night that "the speech that Governor Palin gave was well delivered, but it was written by George Bush's speechwriter and sounds exactly like the same divisive, partisan attacks we've heard from George Bush for the last eight years."
The church-affiliated organization Obama worked for covered Greater Roseland, which comprises four of the 77 official community areas of Chicago: Roseland itself, Pullman, West Pullman, and Riverdale. According to the 2000 census, the population of Greater Roseland was 107,800 compared to Wasilla's 5500.
And there were no other organizations covering that area? Were all of these 107,800 poor and in need of community help? Doubt it. But we need more details. Obama was not in charge of the 107,800, but was only a liason to 20 congregations within that population, maybe two to three thousand people (my estimate - I could be way off). Here is how his work is described in the Obama friendly publication, The Nation:
In 1985, freshly graduated from Columbia University and working for a New York business consultant, Barack Obama decided to become a community organizer. Though he liked the idea, he didn't understand what the job involved, and his inquiries turned up few opportunities.
Then he got a call from Jerry Kellman, an organizer working on Chicago's far South Side for a community group based in the churches of the region, an expanse of white, black and Latino blue-collar neighborhoods that were reeling from the steel-mill closings. Kellman was looking for an organizer for the new Developing Communities Project (DCP), which would focus on black city neighborhoods.
Obama, only 24, struck board members as "awesome" and "extremely impressive," and they quickly hired him, at $13,000 a year, plus $2,000 for a car--a beat-up blue Honda Civic, which Obama drove for the next three years organizing more than twenty congregations to change their neighborhoods.
Despite some meaningful victories, the work of Obama--and hundreds of other organizers--did not transform the South Side or restore lost industries. But it did change the young man who became the junior senator from Illinois in 2004, and it provides clues to his worldview as he bids for the Democratic presidential nomination.
"I can't say we didn't make mistakes, that I knew what I was doing," Obama recalled three years ago to a boisterous convention of the still-active DCP. "Sometimes I called a meeting, and nobody showed up. Sometimes preachers said, 'Why should I listen to you?' Sometimes we tried to hold politicians accountable, and they didn't show up. I couldn't tell whether I got more out of it than this neighborhood."
Note that Obama wasn't the sole person resonsible for the organization efforts, but was one of hundreds. He was doing outreach work, a noble cause to be sure, but this is no where equal to the duties and responsibilities one has a mayor of a town or city.
Sarah will likely mop up Biden in a debate and here's why: Her core is a fearless willingness to go after entrenched politicians and their sleazy political rhetoric. She has yet to be politically compromised, as far as I can tell, and she is a perfect fit for McCain.
Both Biden and Obama will try to limit debates.
thanks freeman
I think the Obama campaign was trying to tie Sarah to W. (their "McSame" theme), not disparage her skills by pointing out that it was written for her. It was definitely a partisan speech (and therefore divisive). How else could they have made that point?
sonicfrog -- there were hundreds of organizers on the South Side. Obama was the Director of the Developing Communities Project.
Here are his thoughts on organizing:
http://www.edwoj.com/Alinsky/AlinskyObamaChapter1990.htm
IIRC, it was 1994 when Manny Ramirez was a rookie. The Tribe was playing the As. The As had a lead late in the game and with 2 on they brought on their relief ace, Hall of Famer, Dennis Eckersly to face Manny. Eck threw Manny a fast ball and Manny hit it into the cheap seats. The expression of shock and surprise on Eck’s face was something to behold.
Somebody looking at Joe Biden last night would have seen that same expression.
Sarah Palin is amazing. Palin for President.
She has more executive experience, more real life experience, and more heart than Biden, Obama, and McCain all put together.
It's just a shame she's not on the top of the ticket. If the democrats can put their ex community organizer at the top, why can't we put our ex mayor up there?
After the viciously dishonest and despicably vile wave of attacks against her and her family by the drive by media, Palin hit an absolute grand slam.
FLS, thanks for the link. I'll read it in a while and get back to you on thoughts.
OK. Read it. It's a great philosophical essay, but it doesn't really get into neither the meat and bones of exactly what he actially did, nor does it describe how many people were in the organization, how it was set up, accountability, etc.
Like I said. This is a noble cause and profession, and do appreciate Obama's drive to improve the inner city. I recognize that it gives Obama a unique perspective on the issue of poverty and inner city dynamics. Perhaps it is a professional bias on my part, but I wouldn't put it on the same level as being mayor of a town.
Junyo said ...
"It's un-American to extend human rights to terrorists. When the Vietcong violated John McCain's human rights, that was different."
Speak of American troops as the moral equivalent of terrorists and wonder why people think you're un-American. John McCain was a uniformed soldier, in the legitimate service of a recognized country, as opposed to a murderous psychopath pursuing a personal religious agenda. Slight difference there. You people may not be anti-America, but you sure as hell ain't for it.
Oh here we go with "You people." Think what you think, as jumbled as you think, or I'm not for America.
How American!
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