Althouse: What's wrong with a parent?

११ नोव्हेंबर, २००६

What's wrong with a parent?

Why would a parent allow her child to be photographed and discussed by name in a conspicuous article about psychiatric problems?

१८ टिप्पण्या:

अनामित म्हणाले...: The system of diagnosis is 200 to 300 years behind other branches of medicine. So that would be roughly 1756 on average. I think the parent is bilious and needs a good leeching.; ११/११/०६, ८:३४ AM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: In part, that's good, because it suggests an absence of the stigma once attached to such diagnoses.

In larger part it's bad, for one would think a parent would be protective of a child enough to recognize that the public exposure of a child's mental disorder might cause them harm (such as at school, once other kids get ahold of it). I blame Oprah and Jerry Springer.

As for the article's subject: Whew! No wonder Scientologists get such traction against Psychiatry. In my view, the profession has never been able to give a name to the kinds of kids that grow up in households that are either functionally parentless or run by part-time parents.

I'd call them feral children. They're simply uncivilized, and this is how barbarians behave. It's a metaphor for the dying of the West, too. But there I go again.; ११/११/०६, ८:४७ AM
NSC म्हणाले...: I suppose it is too simple an answer to say that mom just wants her 15 minutes of fame.; ११/११/०६, ८:४९ AM
अनामित म्हणाले...: NSC: The simplest explanation is usually the best one. You nailed it.; ११/११/०६, ९:०१ AM
John म्हणाले...: Maybe they hope it will help other parents in the same situation.; ११/११/०६, ९:३१ AM
reader_iam म्हणाले...: "If I can help just one other person by sharing my story....

Here's a radical idea: Maybe we need to "let the kids be" more. I'm not talking about not civilizing them, in the traditional sense--I'm all for time and place, manners, etc., and in fact I'm more of a traditional parent in that way.

But we also pick on them a lot, overschedule them, overmanage them, pathologize childhood (especially with boys), and generally deprive them of "just be" time. They don't know what to do with themselves, because we don't give them much practice at it at an early age, so busy are we at manipulating input and outcomes (except for traditional notions of respect and self-control).

We make them "all about us (the adults)," and, then get all pissed off and frustrated when they don't reflect the outcome that suits our own psychological and emotional needs best. Parents do that, and too often, now, so do too many educators etc.

OF COURSE, there are exceptions. But look at the number of kids who have been drugged by the time they're in their teens.

Also, coming from another place, we complain about our kids being overly moody and overly sensitive, etc., and acting out because of that. But from toddlerhood, we constantly harp on "being sensitive," on "feelings," on "free self-expression" etc. and then we're surprised when our kids are overly sensitive and too inclined to focus and act on their own personal feelings.

In short, we overcontrol and expect too much in certain areas while underguiding and expecting too little in others. We're confused and the kids go cockeyed.; ११/११/०६, १०:१० AM
reader_iam म्हणाले...: That said, many are just fine--or will be.

Except for the "too easily" offended, "anti-free-speech-for thee" thing that you brought up on another thread.

Which, interestingly, really does strike me as related to the larger issue you seem to be exploring this morning.

vh: lflowo; ११/११/०६, १०:१२ AM
अनामित म्हणाले...: It doesn't help that the kids have incompetent, self-obsessed parents. I guess they're hoping for a shot at the Oprah Show.

Now that the Dems are in, we will see more articles that will subtley or directly call for government funding to cure these "problems." Last night on 20/20 Chris Dodd campaigned for paid maternity leave for all mothers for at least six months. Various middle class mothers told their tales of woe, and anyone who disagreed with them was portrayed as a Neanderthal.

Hold on to your wallets. As an old time governor once said, "The legislature is now open, and no man's property is safe."; ११/११/०६, ११:११ AM
Bruce Hayden म्हणाले...: I agree that it was bad parenting and lack of judgment on the part of the parents and showed a lack of responsibility on the part of the NYT to give names and photos. We are used to first names, fictitious names, etc. in this sort of thing - for good reason.

On the other hand, the paper had a good point - that kids are most likely being vastly overdiagnosed with psychiatrict diagnoses.

Part of the problem here is that some of the diagnoses are based on somewhat questionable research being funded by drug companies, who have a financial stake at maximizing the prescription of their products. While I am all for free enterprise, inappropriately drugging our youths for financial gain crosses the line for me. What is often ignored is that those bi-polar drugs do have side effects, and if the kids really aren't bi-polar, but rather have something quite different, as it appears from the article to be the case, then these psychiatrists, educrats, and parents are subjecting these misdiagnosed kids to unneded and potentially dangerous drugs.; ११/११/०६, १२:१३ PM
Maxine Weiss म्हणाले...: Child abuse and child drugging....all of it.

http://www.antipsychiatry.org/

http://www.szasz.com; ११/११/०६, १:०२ PM
Mortimer Brezny म्हणाले...: Well, it explains why the kid is screwed up.; ११/११/०६, १:४० PM
DRJ म्हणाले...: Being a victim is impressive in today's society and this is the parental version of victimhood. The article portrays parents as sacrificing and tolerant people who suffer with a faulty child. Who cares about the child? It's what the parents must endure that matters.; ११/११/०६, २:२३ PM
Joe म्हणाले...: The politically correct notion that the behavior of children is entirely the result of parenting has created the situation where parents feel the urge to find external justification for their children's behavior.

As for the mother and her daughter. Has it occurred to anyone that the daughter has the ability to make decisions? Perhaps the mother was reluctant but the daughter wanted to pose. Perhaps both felt compelled to publicize a treatment that apparently worked so successfuly in their situation.; ११/११/०६, २:३४ PM
Maxine Weiss म्हणाले...: The daughter is under 18, and doesn't have the right to consent. Minors can't even sign contracts, bill of sale etc..

But, it was definately her own decision to consent to the story photos?????

Sure it was. She begged for the chance.

Teens like their 5-minutes of fame just as much as anyone else, I suppose.

And they know exactly how to get it.

Peace, Maxine; ११/११/०६, ४:१८ PM
Peter Metcalfe म्हणाले...: A bi-polar disorder at 14? How could they tell? In the photo, the daughter looks like any female fourteen year old photographed in the presence of her mother: sulky and frowning.; ११/११/०६, ४:४४ PM
TMink म्हणाले...: Peter wrote: "A bi-polar disorder at 14? How could they tell? In the photo, the daughter looks like any female fourteen year old photographed in the presence of her mother: sulky and frowning."

Really! The adolescent bipolar patients I have worked with got pretty wiggy when manic. Really pressured speech, grandiosity (not typical teen grandiosity, I am Jesus grandiosity,) amazing impulsivity (see parenthetical re grandiosity), dangerous decision making. Then they would be depressed as dirt three days later. Really sad, and really obvious.

And Oddd I think the holy grail of mental health is actually brain scans. (Caveat, I am in said field.) Daniel Amen has done definitive work on the brain and ADD, and he has the pictures to prove it! Wonderful stuff over at brainplace.com (no affiliation.) The major axis one diagnoses, depression, bipolar, posttraumatic stress disorder, schizophrenia, ADHD, obsessive-compulsive disorder, autism, all have recognizable areas of dysfunction in the brain. It is that big organ in our head. I am not aware of personality disorders having recognizable brain disturbances.

So perhaps we are talking about the same holy grail as the pictures make it more difficult for people like Maxine to say that there is no such thing as depression etc with a straight face. But she still may.

I look forward to the day when an affordable brain scan can be used to help me in diagnosis. It will help a lot I believe and certainly reduce my mistakes as well as save time. Every other field uses imaging of the organ in question to come to a diagnosis, the day is coming where mental health will as well.

Trey; ११/११/०६, ७:२५ PM
TMink म्हणाले...: Oddd wrote: "I think it'd be great if Amen's work actually panned out. But I think you've sunk the entirety of psychiatric history."

That sounds interesting to me. Would you write more about this thought please?

Trey; १२/११/०६, १२:३० AM
TMink म्हणाले...: Slac wrote: "Trey, far be it from me to defend such people, but there are many individuals who not only say that Jesus is in them, but tell other people that Jesus wants to be in them too."

As a Christian, this makes sense to me! Crazy sounding though, isn't it.

"Half of people from India think they're God. The "spirituality" section of any bookstore might as well be a mental infestation."

Well, I think the point you are making is that logic as a way of thinking is likely a minority viewpoint in the world. A good viewpoint I think, but still a minority. The comment about the spirituality section is funny! Made me laugh, good one.

"For these reasons, social scientists need to be humble. Even though psychiatry has progressed significantly since the days of Thomas Szasz, its humility is still dangerously lacking."

We are in total agreement there my friend. I would add that the medical field could use a dose of humility if we are passing it out. I say "I don't know" every day. I wonder if some medical doctors have that in their vocabulary.

"I find it revealing that you think the "holy grail" of your field is something that would make it normal compared to other branches of medicine."

I think it would help move my field from the soft toward the hard sciences. Is that what you meant? A step closer to engineering? Less subjective? Yes to all those.

"I certainly look forward to the day."

As do I. Most of my work as a therapist is with trauma and abuse survivors. I explain to them that I am like a personal trainer, except that we are working on their happiness and mental health instead of their pecs and abs. They tell me what to work on, and I tell them what tends to work in that area, and we go from there. If I get off track, they are supposed to fire me. Come to think of it, when they feel better they fire me anyway!

That is to say that I do not tell people what to feel or how to act, but I do work with them to help them figure it out. Well, mostly. If a kid touched another kid I tell them to stop it cause it is wrong and will make them miserable and send them to jail. I don't work with adults that touch kids.

I think many of the complaints against psychologists comes from either the lack of humility or being court whores that will say whatever the person that pays them wants them to say. And being professional excusers. "Johnny did this because he had a bad childhood blah blah blah.

Sorry, this turned into a bit of a rant!

Trey; १२/११/०६, १२:४५ AM