A strapping man with piercing blue eyes, [Costas Kyriakou] draws on ideas from Plato and Christian apocalyptic scriptures for his ideal city-state where people live in communes and share everything....For this idea of Utopia, he's nicknamed Utopos. Presumably, he himself is one of the "handsome men" he's talking about.
"The men will see it as a system of free love, the women as a matriarchy... they will be able to carry the sperm of the most handsome men, and give the child her name."
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"I propose a regime of free love."
A political campaign in Cyprus:
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It's amazing how appealing these ideas seems on a purely philosophical level, until all the realities of life come home to roost. And the ideas always seems to be born in the head of some charismatic guy, and then seeded into the minds of the young and impressionable. Spahn Ranch, Mount Carmel Center, Jonestown, and uncountable others all started like this. And yet, they still keep coming.
Handsome, charismatic men always think this is a good idea. Those of us who are neither... Not so much.
Dave has a good point about Milton Friedman. The only book I put in the same category is "The Road to Serfdom" by F. A. Hayek (and that book is even older and still applicable).
I would just want to know who decides who these "handsome" men are and who gets in?
Aren't men of the Mediterranean usually pretty hairy? :)
The reason that this idea isn't going to work in the end is that it ultimately requires that those of us who don't fall into the category of preferred sperm donors would have to help support his kids.
Monogamous mating was bred into us in order for women to have help in raising their kids. Males are far, far, more likely to help take care of their own kids than those of someone else. After all, what is in it for us guys? Raising kids is hard work and can be quite expensive. DTL the other day was bragging here that he had already saved up for retirement - primarily by chosing not to have kids.
So, if this were to become the norm, those of us not chosen as sperm donors are going to lobby quite hard to eliminate all sorts of family support, ranging from public education, through special tax rates, welfare, etc.
blondie
Obviously, the women would decide. After all, they are the ones who would have to do the deed with the guy, and then carry the baby to delivery, and raise it for the next couple of decades.
Wouldn't it need to be some sort of system where the whole group supports the children and the women choose the most attractive men (to be the sperm donors)? Everyone pays into the public treasury and then spending from the pot supports the children. Women can either keep the childrearing money and stay home with their children or pay childcare workers with the money.
Men have no rights or obligations with relation to the children. They simply work, form what relationships they can, and try to be attractive enough to the women.
What's the problem? (Other than all the jealousy and violence and selfishness that always screws everything up.)
"...where people live in communes and share everything."
His ideal city state = my vision of Hell
"Sporting a black bandana, jeans and sandals"
This is someone who's trying *too hard*. Is he really advocating for handsome men... or handsome dorks?
Who could be interested in men who would debase themselves and become no more than breeding studs?
"Who could be interested in men who would debase themselves and become no more than breeding studs?"
There's a Britney Spears joke in there somewhere, but I can't quite find it...
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He ran in the presidential election of 2003, where he won 0.44 percent of the vote, the highest figure among a smattering of fringe non-party candidates.
Utopos disputes this. "I received 73 percent," he said.
This is the Bolshevik Theory of Elections. ("if we keep saying we're the majority, then we will be!").
I also hope this guy gets a website detailing his utopia. His ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to his newsletter.
DU
What's the problem? (Other than all the jealousy and violence and selfishness that always screws everything up.)
Wow, Ann, that truly is an "Aside from that Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?" kind of remark!
I propose a regime of free beer!
Objections?
Overruled!
This would work.
Oh, it wouldn't work the way Mr. Kyriakou would hope it would. But it would destroy the Greek Cypirot economy and social order, causing mass migration to Greece and other EU countries.
And as a result, the Greek-Turkish conflict on the island would tilt more to the advantage of the Turkish Cypriots, which would pressure the Greek Cypriots to accept the UN-sponsored unification plan they rejected in 2004.
So, I have to say, win, Mr. Kyriakou, win.
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