Althouse: "Naturally when you're applying to college you're looking at how your genetic status might help you."

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"Naturally when you're applying to college you're looking at how your genetic status might help you."

A DNA test can help.

१९ टिप्पण्या:

Freeman Hunt म्हणाले...: Oh, naturally. As they say, DNA before SAT.

That's hilarious. What world do these people live in that that would be considered a natural part of the college admissions process?; १२/४/०६, ९:०५ AM
JohnF म्हणाले...: Well, if anything showed the dopiness of using ethnicity of a candidate to confer an advantage, this is it. A good find, Ann.; १२/४/०६, ९:१६ AM
Balfegor म्हणाले...: That's hilarious. What world do these people live in that that would be considered a natural part of the college admissions process?

What world? Our world. This is the world created by affirmative action.

Actually, I expect people will just start to lie on their applications -- there's plenty of people who claim to be African American who look about 100% White to me, and people who are ethnic Hispanics who look Whiter than George Bush. So it's only a matter of years before White applicants wise up to the possibilities and start claiming ethnic ancestry on the basis of mere rumour and speculation (and if found out, they can make like Kerry when it turned out he wasn't at all Irish, like he had thought/been pretending). At that point, DNA tests may become a regular part of the application -- who knows? Or maybe they'll just go for a photograph and check the form of your skull, the curve of your nostrils, and the shape of your eye. Or perhaps they'll require documentation of your ancestry up to you grandparents, or something.

The American establishment has, of course, long experience with the techniques of racial identification.; १२/४/०६, ९:२० AM
SippicanCottage म्हणाले...: ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.; १२/४/०६, ९:५८ AM
Bissage म्हणाले...: I've heard of a "Brandeis brief." Is this sort of like a "Brandeis application?"; १२/४/०६, १०:१९ AM
Jim Hu म्हणाले...: I'm an African-American (so are you, if you're an American).

I had a dream...; १२/४/०६, १०:२० AM
Smilin' Jack म्हणाले...: I was born too soon to take advantage of affirmative action, but on census forms etc. I alternate between African-American, since my ancestors came from Africa (about 50,000 years ago) and Native American (since I was born in this country.); १२/४/०६, १०:२६ AM
john(classic) म्हणाले...: I was born here.

Am I wrong to check Native American on the application form?

(If I am, what am I a native of?); १२/४/०६, ११:१६ AM
Bruce Hayden म्हणाले...: Not quite the same thing, but Ward Churchill is still in Boulder collecting money from the State of Colorado as a professor, despite being an affirmative action hire for his claimed Indian heritage - that turned out to be bogus. The absurdity is that the CU tenure system won't let them fire him for lying about this to get the job and then to get early tenure.; १२/४/०६, ११:२० AM
Ruth Anne Adams म्हणाले...: Sippican: Not another pencil test!; १२/४/०६, ११:३८ AM
Ann Althouse म्हणाले...: Let's look at the particular matter covered by the article, that DNA tests are making Americans think it isn't lying to claim to be a member of a minority group that they never previously had any reason to think they belonged to. The article describes one young woman who checked "Asian" on a college form based on a DNA test that showed she was 2% Asian.

The article also says that universities rely entirely on self-reporting. The individual is left to decide whether the DNA test is the standard and what percentage counts.; १२/४/०६, १२:१० PM
Gaius Arbo म्हणाले...: Paraphrasing what john said, this shows the insanity we've inflicted on ourselves. And since we can now declare our ethnicity - via self reporting of course, I am now a vulcan. I demand my affirmative action spot in the college of my choice! There are clearly too few of us on campus' these days.; १२/४/०६, १२:२७ PM
Balfegor म्हणाले...: The article also says that universities rely entirely on self-reporting. The individual is left to decide whether the DNA test is the standard and what percentage counts.

Well, having seen lily-white people claim seriously to be African American (and not in the sense that they're Rhodesian or somesuch) on the basis of a Black grandparent or great-grandparent, I would guess many individuals decide what race they are on something other than physiognomy, and hence something other than their social identity, in the sense that a stranger, coming up upon one of these White African-Americans, is unlikely to subject him to any of the usual forms of racism, even if that stranger happens to be an inveterate racist.

The schools, of course -- as the quote from an admissions officer indicates -- want race in the social sense. But they have no way of verifying that yet. And nor have the people applying to their schools -- what race you think you look and act like may not be well connected with what other people think you look like (and they may differ in their opinions) so you may simply not recognise the forms of racism levied against you.

I myself am clearly not 100% White. But observers differ on what race I am. I have been identified (correctly) as half-White Asian. But I have also been identified as Hispanic, Persian, Arab, Finnish, Russian, Turkish, and French. How am I supposed to guess what experience of racism I have? Have people discriminated against me because they thought I was French, for example? How would I know it when it happened to me, and how would I distinguish it from common-or-garden rudeness?

I don't think anyone has a better metric for what race they are than DNA testing. In the first example in the article, the fellow had his adopted twins tested because their skin was a touch dun, and he thought they might be able to get an advantage out of that. Their father noticed they were dark -- perhaps other people did too? Perhaps they had encountered some racism, and could only recognise it in hindsight (so they could write about it in their application essays).

2% is perhaps only a little, and well within the range of error for these tests. But in other cases, perhaps the test is merely a key allowing the testee to reify his experience through the lens of race, and come to recognise potential racism where it has lurked in his past.; १२/४/०६, १:०१ PM
Bissage म्हणाले...: ब्लॉग प्रशासकाने ही टिप्पण्णी हटविली आहे.; १२/४/०६, २:१९ PM
Bissage म्हणाले...: Ann Althouse said: "Let's look at the particular matter covered by the article, that DNA tests are making Americans think it isn't lying to claim to be a member of a minority group that they never previously had any reason to think they belonged to."

George Costanza said it's not a lie if you believe it's true. To that I might add: "or believe it's true enough."

I don't know how to classify these genetic testing services. Maybe they're con artists. Maybe the perfectly legal product they sell is plausible deniability.; १२/४/०६, २:२४ PM
Independent George म्हणाले...: The article describes one young woman who checked "Asian" on a college form based on a DNA test that showed she was 2% Asian.

If she believes that being Asian makes it easier to get admitted to college, she then she really needs all the help she can get.; १२/४/०६, ८:०६ PM
Balfegor म्हणाले...: But the fact is that these "cheaters" are cheaters not because they lack the right genes, but because they don't suffer from the discrimination that the university seeks to counter, nor do they supply the unique viewpoint that the university seeks to attract.

I suppose we could impute to the universities the marginally less contemptible desire to find people who have suffered from discrimination, or who offer "unique" viewpoints (as, ah, representatives of a race? Is there such a thing as a "racial" viewpoint?). But they ask for race. Race.

Race -- as I explained above, using my own experience as an half-Asian who looks variously Arab, Hispanic, Finnish, Turkish, Persian, Russian, and French -- is a highly unreliable proxy for the experience of discrimination. It's also not, in this country (the USA), particularly well tied to any specific viewpoint whether "unique" or simply representative somehow of a race. At least past the first generation or so.

I have no idea why lying is okay if you're white and you think you have a right to college admission because you're white.

Because when confronted with a nakedly racist and hence immoral system, resistance is entirely proper.; १३/४/०६, १०:५० AM
Balfegor म्हणाले...: they ask how other people tend to classify you, what your individual experience of racial classification is.

Maybe they do now. When I applied (which, I guess, is actually almost a decade ago now), it was just boxes. Mark your race.

As a final point, promoting white privilege is not resistance. It's anticompetitive.

When did race-blindness turn into white privilege? How did race-blindness turn into "anticompetitive." What is this, 1984?

And while I'm at it, I have white kin and I have kin "of colour," as people say nowadays. The notion of "white privilege" for ordinary whites (as opposed to the Bushes, Gores, Winthrops, Rockefellers, and even those Irish Kennedies, of the world) runs flat out counter to my experience and the experience of my kin. If my white kin have enjoyed some kind of "white privilege," my coloured kin (and I) have enjoyed a "yellow" privilege that's far more powerful, and gifted us with a lot more of the usual "privilege" stuff -- like posh schools and good jobs.

And this is not, mind, because my white kin are dirt poor or white trash or something. They're not, not by a long shot -- we used to belong to good clubs when the family was up in New York, for all that we were fairly recent arrivals to the country (all within the past 110 years) and the recent generations all had decent middle class upbringings.

Where is that white privilege? What happened to it? They have seen neither hide nor hair of such a thing.

Now, as far as a more wide-ranging "non-Black" privilege -- or rather, a kind of social credit from simply not being Black . . . I think there's a better case there. In the recent immigration debate, one point that's been raised is that employers would clearly rather hire dirt poor Hispanic illegal immigrants who speak no English than hire young Black men. And that's . . . pretty bad.

But white privilege? No, I don't buy it.

I don't see anything contemptible with that

I do.

You know perfectly well that when they go on about "critical mass," they're not talking about "critical masses" of immigrants who speak seventeen languages, or have no toes or whatever. They're not talking about "critical masses" of Hmong or of Quechua speakers or Sikhs. They're talking about "Race" as it is conceived of in the US. Black/White/Yellow/Brown/or Red?

When they talk about remedial purposes, they are not talking about remedying the suffering of polyglot immigrants with no toes. They are talking about remedying their perception of racial imbalance. Do they mean a death of Uighurs, or a surplusage of Japanese and Jews? No. They are, again, talking about those blanket racial categories (and a few others -- like gender, sexuality, and possibly disabilities; so no toes might actually fit in there).

You can try and put a benign construction on it. But don't insult our intelligence.; १३/४/०६, २:५६ PM
अनामित म्हणाले...: In fact, there is no scientific basis of race (at least up to now), and the DNA test many have spoken of doesn't give you much information other than what "Haplogroup" your chromosomes belong to. In population genetics, one can trace one's ancestry through this method, but possessing a certain chromosome (and thus associating with a ethnic/geographic population that has the highest incidence of that Haplogroup) never *makes* you a member of the corresponding population. For instance, you might be completely unrelated to a group and yet the test shows you have a chromosome that occurs most frequently in that group.

Also, the idea of Haplogroups/types do not really correspond to the modern American notion of race - the 2% "Asian" DNA could also be the same genes that are found in Australian aborigines who look more "black" than "asian." At the same time, you can have a Hungarian person, who passes for a "European" in this country, having the same "Asian" genes due to the Huns and Mongols that migrated there a long time ago.

It's generally agreed among human biologists and anthropologists that conclusions drawn from such DNA tests are useful largely in discussions involving entire geographic groups, but not individuals - there is simply too much variation among different individuals to accurately trace their ancestries. So when it comes to race, I wouldn't rely on DNA tests - they lack relevance to the modern American concept of race, which has more to do with culture, history, and social structure than with biology.; ४/५/०८, १२:२५ PM