While healthy civic discourse involves disagreement on issues of policy, too often people are prone to bully and harass their opponents with attacks on physical appearances when they are unable to articulate a valid and logical opposing argument....Where are the feminists? Well, this feminist says women will do better when they value humor and free expression and when they show they can take the same shots men take. We make fun of the way male public figures look all the time. Bush looks like a chimp, Kerry like a horse. If a woman wants to be a powerful political figure, she needs to be up to the full package of ridicule that comes with the territory. I don't see how it helps the cause of women to be known as oversensitive prigs who want to spoil the fun and enforce a smothering, boring niceness on everyone.
The fact that women fought for many years to be taken seriously in the arenas of government and public policy makes the "lookism" attacks on successful women reveal a deep double standard -- not of men against women, but of women against their own gender.
Where are the feminists? Their silence speaks volumes about their convictions and partisan leanings. After all, it is mainly conservative women who have been the victims of this sort of media slashing. Sad to say, with few exceptions, the circling vultures are left-leaning women.
Has our culture become so shallow, and our sensibilities so numb, that we will accept from adults the sort of vicious behavior that we would never accept from our children?
Bonus opinion: Making fun of a woman's makeup is not the same as making fun of the size of her nose or the texture of her hair. It's making fun of her judgment. And that's actually relevant to the question whether she should be trusted with political power.
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(Freudian?) grammatical slip alert: "...women will do better ... when they show they can the same shots men take"
The missing verb is no doubt "take" but is the ambiguity (give or receive?) intended?
There is a primitive satisfaction in making fun of the way public figures look. Bush DOES look like a smug chimp and Kerry does look like a sad mule. Fair is fair - some of these public figures regards us a robots, children, ignorant, undeserving, etc. The more the mob can yammer at them the better.
I can see where you're going with this and I don't like it. Helen Thomas has done nothing to deserve that kind of treatment.
"Making fun of a woman's makeup is ... making fun of her judgment. And that's actually relevant to the question whether she should be trusted with political power."
I think applying makeup is a skill that's not easy to get right! The same goes for hair. Condi's hair, for example, is pretty unflattering. But I don't think it reflects anything significant about her judgment. I think--unfortunately--it's very hard for people to see their own looks objectively and make good decisions accordingly.
Taking petty criticism is part of being a public figure, but I can't help but feel bad for people like Janet Reno and Linda Tripp who received relentless bashing for their looks. It's hard for me to say "suck it up" because I'd feel like crap too if people did that to me. And I do feel like women get it a lot worse than men.
However, if anyone wants to dish about how trashy Tara Reid looks, I'm in...
It's not clear whether the author (either Ms. Althouse or the author of the original piece) is addressing a moral issue (is it wrong to mock other people's clothes and appearance) or a political one (is it unpersuasive and does it make the speaker, not the person criticized, look small and silly). As to the first, I guess it's not wrong to mock public figures, but what about their children? I thought it was hateful when Rush Limbaugh referred to Chelsea Clinton as "the White House dog." Then again, my TV has an off button.
As to the second, I think such criticism is petty and makes the speaker look stupid. In fact, Mrs. Roberts dresses like most upper middle class professional's wives, and the children dress as upper middle class professional's children do on such occasions. Obviously, this is a different world from the one most journalists inhabit.
Sounds good! Can we start with "Mean Jean" Schmidt? Makeup... Hairstyle... Dress -- surely they all scream EVIL.
I think it's one thing for my husband and I to turn to each other and say, "Wow, so and so looks like ______," and another thing for one of us to publish the same in an editorial. I also think it's one thing to mention some interesting/humorous aspect of a person's physical appearance in print and another to hatefully eviscerate someone's physical appearance in print.
I agree with knoxgirl that this is used more often against women. Considering the way in which many women talk about each other, I don't find this surprising.
I don't buy the article's assertion that this is a partisan thing, where poor conservative women are the victims of those mean leftist girls. And of course, they offer no examples. I can think of plenty on both sides of the aisle, and I see no reason why criticizing the appearance of female or male public figures would somehow be endemic to a particular political leaning.
Criticising someones make-up or looks in these instances is just another way to criticise someone you don't like for other reasons. What makes such attacks degrading is that attacking someone personally is usually evidence that the person doing the attacking is not intelligent enough to intellectually to criticise the person's policies.
On that note....Hillary is a fat hog (I don't like her health care plan either).
"Making fun of a woman's makeup is ... making fun of her judgment."
And without a note from a doctor explaining how a thyroid disorder is effecting metabolism, could the same be said for weight?
Without a note from a clinical psychologist explaining how a childhood experience ruined their fashion sense, could the same be said for clothes?
Oscar: Thanks for the catch. Somehow there's always another typo!
Let me make one thing clear: I'm not saying anyone can say anything. Physical descriptions, both humorous and serious, ought to be well done. This writing is also subject to the criticism that any writing is subject too. I'm being critical of the generality that describing how people look should be off limits. And I'm saying it isn't good for the success of women for people to think women must be coddled. Less fussy disapproval and more free speech -- that's my advice.
Dirty Harry: That's right. Inferences can be made based on the evidence. The aspects of how a person looks that he or she has power over are fair game. Fashion criticism is entirely legitimate and important.
I would disagree with the idea of makeup being an indication of judgement.
Choosing and applying makeup requires a certain skill and artistry like interior design or drawing. I don't see much of a correlation between the ability to pick out sofa patterns and political judgement.
Then again, if you walk into a house and there is a cheetah print sofa, I think that really says something.
Hmmmm. . I think I talked myself out of my own post. . .
Well, my sofa has a zebra print, so you can see why you wouldn't want to trust me.
Future NY/LA Times article if you were nominated to SCOTUS:
"Althouse Admits Having Zebra Print Sofa, Reflects Conservative Tendency to See in Black and White"
Well I always enjoy making fun of Maggie Gallagher's looks....
Ampersand: Well put. Except that I don't like the pie-throwing. I prefer to hurl invective. And I think Katherine Harris was wearing so much makeup that it just HAD to be talked about. She should have a sense of humor about her makeup if she's going to go wild with the mascara wand. (Tammy Faye is a good role model for those who want to wear a ridiculous amount of makeup. She does it. She owns up to it. And she laughs at herself.) Do women get it worse than men? Not really. They get it different. Women can win a lot of positive attention for their looks, and they can do a lot of things to make up that look that men can't, like wear makeup and chose from a wide variety of hair and clothing styles. When we do it well -- as, I agree, Rice does -- we can make a powerful impact with our looks. We should seize THAT opportunity.
Lee: If she's made herself look clownish with it, it's some evidence of poor perception and judgment.
If someone dresses like an idiot, is he an idiot? Not necessarily, but it counts as some evidence of idiocy.
We're allowed to look at all parts of the picture.
There are whole websites devoted to the Condi Looks Great theme. And I don't agree, as mentioned above, that her hair is unflattering. It looks to me like she is going for an intentionally severe style: it doesn't inspire thoughts of the bedroom but the boardroom, which is exactly the right strategy. She can be quite sexy when she finds it advantageous.
With regard to the women get it more than men idea: surely that doesn't take into account the proliferation of political cartoons which more or less exist to caricature the looks of political leaders. (The idiom that has developed in European cartoons of GWB makes him almost unrecognizable unless you are familiar with its development.) That is perhaps a tangential concern because even an attractive person can be made to look silly in a cartoon, but it still speaks to the issue of ridiculing the appearance of an opponent rather than rebutting his ideas.
I used to think that makeup was a good thing to criticize. After all, to me globbing it on showed a serious lack of self confidence.
And then I saw my female peers start getting a bit older, over 50 now. I read one woman recently who recounted turning something like 60 and all of sudden becoming invisible. All of a sudden, she no longer has doors opened for her, etc. after 40+ years of deferenece to her sex. This loss of female power seems to scare a lot of women.
My erstwhile girlfriend routinely criticizes the makeup of most women. She is proud that she doesn't need it, and that she claims to have been professionally taught when she was modelling 25-30 years ago. But the reality is that in the 6 years I have known her, her skin has aged, and it is noticable in sunlight. And when we go out, she puts it on much heavier than she used to. And she is only 48.
My ex never ever used makeup, except one time - our wedding. Now at 45, she uses a lot of it. With her, it isn't female power, but something else, and I am not quite sure.
With Katherine Harris, I suspect that she was a very beautiful woman in her 20s and 30s, and all the entails. I see her overuse of make up as almost a natural consequence of someone who spent a lot of years using her beauty for her benefit, as many beautiful women do. (I never really realized the power of this, until I ended up with a woman like that - who has gotten big breaks all through her life for her looks).
But really, what is so different from a woman using makeup and a guy, for example, getting a hair transplant or using a toupee. Or for that matter, coloring his hair? Except, of course, that looks are more valuable for women than men, and, not surprisingly, many react accordingly.
"Has our culture become so shallow..?"
This is nothing new. Poor Eleanor Roosevelt was the butt of plenty of jokes. Even after she was gone, there was a "grafitti" joke from the 60's: "Eleanor Roosevelt was just another pretty face".
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