Great. There's an ax.
October 3, 2026
"The co-pilot who tried to hijack a flight bound for Israel... used a crash ax to attack the captain in the cockpit, UAE officials said."
"The co-pilot attempted to 'take control of the aircraft' and carry out a 'terrorist act,' UAE Attorney General Hamad Saif Al Shamsi said.... The UAE statement answers one of the questions over potential security lapses that emerged following the incident — how the co-pilot was able to access a weapon on board. A crash ax is normally used for emergency evacuations, Marco Chan, a former pilot, said in an interview. 'If none of the exit doors are available, the pilot can … use the ax to crack' designated parts of the plane’s structure which are designed to open more easily to create an exit route. In current Boeing 737 planes, the crash ax 'is usually located just behind the first officer or co-pilot' in the cockpit, said Chan...."
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The presence of an ax doesn't seem to be the problem to me.
Unvetted with an ax to grind.
It’s not that there’s an ax. It’s that there’s a terrorist.
"Careful with that axe, Mohammed."
Full lyrics...
[Instrumental]
[Interlude]
Careful with that axe, Eugene
{*scream*}
[Instrumental]
[Interlude]
{*scream*}
{*scream*}
[Instrumental]
…yes the problem is the presence of a hijack-ey co-pilot…
"Great. There's an ax."
I'll take "'Things a gun grabber would say' for 100, Alex."
The ax bludgeoned the pilot. Now we need to vet axes.
We need reasonable ax control.
Apparently this has caused a huge scandal in the UAE over “who hired and enabled this guy” since Omani officials warned about the co pilots “extremist” views when he was being hired for the FlyDubai job. It’s reported that at least 18 in the UAE are being identified as “enablers” and are being investigated. The UAE does not look kindly on radicals and even pressured Saudi to send the copilot back to them.
The UAE has a reputation for stability, calm and safety - as a place and as a transport hub. Huge black mark. They shut down Iranian trading houses after a few drones hit them too - closing a big money center for the IGRC. Shows they take things personal and serious.
As far as I know, the required crash axe has never been used for its intended purpose anywhere, ever.
But it has been used to hijack MH377, and now this near tragedy.
Maybe it is time to get rid of the thing.
And if there were no instrument "designed . . . to create an exit route," the cry would be "why no ax!"
All the leftwing Joooo haters here don't believe it.
Off to Hasan Piker +Tuq'r and interesting Maddow-Candace Owens, for the briefing of trooooth.
"Great. There's an ax."
No.
Great. There's a known radicalized Muslim co-pilot with access to an ax.
I think we can keep the Cockpit ax. just because 1 co-pilot in a million decides to use it as a weapon for a suicide crash doesn't make it a bad thing. had the ax not been there the co-pilot would've used something else.
So many dual-use items. What is a terrorist to choose?
THere are 36 million world-wide airline flights per year. Per Chatbp. This isn't just a one in million incident. Its a one in 36 million.
Retired airline pilot here. After 9/11 we considered it (with its sharply pointed back side) to be an absolutely critical last ditch defensive weapon. Originally designed to help you hack your way out of twisted wreckage after a crash
You can count on radical Islam to know where all the loopholes are.
Something that might be needed to SAVE lives, is used by a Radical Jew Hating a-hole to Kill innocents.
Remember, it’s not terrorism to use a 2,000 lb bomb to take out a single operative, or, like we did in Iran, to take out an entire apartment block, killing 300 people, to get one guy.
It’s only terrorism if you can’t afford bombers.
Jaq says, come on, give my kind a break sometime, we can only afford low tech.
The Gemtor D42 Crash Axe by Dönges can be had from Amazon for $130.00.
Jac Off
While not a true lumberjack, I consider myself quite good at using an ax, and sharpening one. Most axes when purchased are not nearly sharp enough to do much damage. Of course I suppose these are no ordinary axes. I certainly hope that when they decide to remove them from all the aircraft they don’t spend a lot of resources to destroy them ( like they would guns) I’m sure there are many collectors who would find them interesting. In this instance I find myself somewhat surprised that there’s enough room in a cockpit to effectively swing an axe.
In the world of axes, that my friend is a hatchet
RCO: "I think we can keep the Cockpit ax. just because 1 co-pilot in a million decides to use it as a weapon for a suicide crash doesn't make it a bad thing. had the ax not been there the co-pilot would've used something else."
I spent forty years as a pilot. Please illuminate me — what else?
BobD: "Retired airline pilot here. After 9/11 we considered it (with its sharply pointed back side) to be an absolutely critical last ditch defensive weapon."
True, before fortified flight deck doors (which became required long after the need was obvious). Now, not nearly so much.
Have they found the letter where the copilot endorses Democrats yet?
The Israelis are now ticked off because their security agencies are explicitly tasked with identifying radicalized pilots, and yet this guy was allowed to fly a route into the country.
What else? yeah there's only one way for a co-pilot to disable a the pilot. An ax. Otherwise, he's 100 percent safe. Always.
Thanks for the "response".
How airlines try to weed out rogue pilots ~ FT
https://giftarticle.ft.com/giftarticle/actions/redeem/358aaea2-14ca-48fa-bcd0-65755e397a50
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"THere are 36 million world-wide airline flights per year. Per Chatbp. This isn't just a one in million incident. Its a one in 36 million."
The idea that this is random is ridiculous.
Make the hatchet handle out of a pork bone.
RCO: "What else? yeah there's only one way for a co-pilot to disable a the pilot. An ax. Otherwise, he's 100 percent safe. Always.
Thanks for the 'response"."
You made the claim. Back it up.
I know I am limited by only having extensive first hand experience, but you are speaking bollocks.
To absolutely no one's surprise.
Interesting contrast in the coverage: Israeli outlets largely frame the Flydubai attack through Israel’s security and election politics— Netanyahu’s warnings and his “only I can keep Israel safe” message. UAE and regional coverage focuses more on aviation security, the investigation, and the diplomatic fallout.
Same incident, very different political framing.
@Skipper, do you would rather the copilot on Atlantic Southeast Airlines Flight 529 burned to death? The turboprop crashed after the tip of a propellor blade broke off, ultimately ruining the ability of that wing to provide lift, killing the captain and initiating a fire that would kill 8 passengers. The copilot was trapped but was able to open a hole in the cockpit window with the axe.
Big Mike: I wasn't aware of that mishap, thanks.
However, it is nearly certain MH370 was hijacked using the crash axe to kill or severely injure the First Officer, resulting in 238 fatalities. This came near as dammit to adding another 181.
The risk-reward ratio seems off.
"Make the hatchet handle out of a pork bone."
They'd just wear gloves.
Sorry there skipper. I don't "back up my claims" to randos on the intertubes. If you don't have the imagination to see a way for a co-pilot to disable a pilot without an ax - I cant help you.
How many planes have been crashed because the Pilot or whoever was at the controls decided to go full kamikaze? Quite a few. Yet somehow, we're focused in on someone not at the controls using an ax to take control.
Maybe what y'need is for the ax to be more secure.
People used to suggest Pilots being armed. Thank God that isn't the case anymore.
"However, it is nearly certain MH370 was hijacked using the crash axe to kill or severely injure the First Officer, resulting in 238 fatalities."
Hold on. There's no evidence backing that up.
That sounds really painful. (In both the injury and the recovery)
The Captain of MH370 was also a Muslim. They do seem to be disproportionately involved in airline murder-suicides for some reason. Maybe putting one in the cockpit of a plane full of Jews headed to Tel Aviv wasn’t the best idea. But I guess it’s better than being accused of Islamophobia.
Can anyone imagine how Jaq and RC would deal with Vlad the Impaler today? The shrieking and foaming at the mouth they would spew? Vlad, the hero Europe needed at the time.
And I'm sure Jaq and RC hate with a fiery passion King John III Sobieski, the man who led the greatest calvary charge in history and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims who were only raping and murdering people in Vienna.
"They do seem to be disproportionately involved in airline murder-suicides for some reason."
Passenger airline crashes are unusual, intentional ones are rare and intentional pilot crashes are virtually unheard of. Passenger planes are generally flown by highly trained airline pilots, many of them are veterans of their respective air forces, and they remain calm in a crisis.
That’s why there hasn’t been a single case of an American airline pilot deliberately crashing a plane and only one case of an airline pilot taking down a western plane with all onboard and that took place in 2015 when a suicidal first officer crashed Lufthansa’s Germanwings Flight 9525.
The only other case involving a western pilot, but not a western airline, was the crash of Mozambique Airlines Flight TM470 in Africa by a Portuguese pilot. Every other case has involved non-western pilots with two Asian pilots and four Muslim pilots deliberately crashing or trying to crash planes: including the first known deliberate crash of a passenger plane by an airline pilot that took place in 1994 when Captain Younes Khayati deliberately disabled the autopilot on Royal Air Maroc Flight 630 and crashed the plane into a mountain.
The list of Muslim suicide pilots also includes EgyptAir Flight 990 in 1999 where the first officer kept shouting “Allahu Akbar” while downing the plane as well as Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, the subject of endless fantastic conspiracy theories ranging from UFOs to black holes, but that was actually likely the work of Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah.
After the FlyDubai incident in which an Omani Muslim pilot stabbed an Indian pilot in a reported attempt to hijack Flight FZ1073 bound for Israel and possibly crash the plane, the list of Muslim pilots who tried to bring down airplanes is up to 4.
And that means that 44% of pilots who deliberately crashed tried to crash planes were Muslim.
These statistics are all the more startling since Muslim pilots and airlines make up a very limited percentage of the airline travel sector. The Asian and North American market together account for 66% of flights, Europe adds another 23%, Africa comes in at only around 3% and the Middle East only accounts for 5%. Despite that, the Middle East and Africa account for a disproportionate number of deliberate pilot crashes when they represent a tiny minority of flights.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/half-of-airline-pilots-who-crashed-planes-were-muslim/
Now they are going to put the ax in a locked box.
Pilot with ax beats pilot w/o ax.
I loved that game when it was called
Rock paper scissors.
"half-of-airline-pilots-who-crashed-planes-were-muslim"
Actual data. Thanks for that, Mason.
"Make the hatchet handle out of a pork bone."
Trump to cattle ranchers, drop dead.
"In the world of axes, that my friend is a hatchet"
They buried the hatchet after joining the "Socialist Rifle Association"
Can't we all just bury the hatchet?! COEXIST LOL
Co-pilot to pilot: "Cant we just bury the hatchet?"
Is it ax, or axe?
"Have they found the letter where the copilot endorses Democrats yet?"
They found a letter written in Cipher code.
One AI said it was a far left leaning writer
Another AI said it was a far right leaning writer
Authorities are yet to decide a neutral enough site to hold a coin toss.
After 9-11, there was a discussion of weather US pilots should be allowed to be armed when flying the plane. The decision at the time was yes. The reason is fairly simple, if they want to kill everyone on the plane, they don't need a gun (or an ax). See Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 or Germanwings Flight 9525 as examples. Good thing the FlyDubai Captain didn't need to get up and use the restroom during the flight.
A crash ax or a crash ex?
"A crash ax is normally used for emergency evacuations."
See what I mean? Everything is in code now.
“After the FlyDubai incident in which an Omani Muslim pilot stabbed an Indian pilot in a reported attempt to hijack Flight FZ1073 bound for Israel and possibly crash the plane, the list of Muslim pilots who tried to bring down airplanes is up to 4.”
I’d give partial credit to the 9/11 guys too. Maybe they weren’t certified pilots, but they had enough training to know what to do once they got in the cockpit.
I recall that after Germanwings, a single pilot can’t be alone in the cockpit when one of the pilots uses the john. Another crew member either waits by the open door or goes into the cockpit. Of course that’s one of those “close the barn door after the horse escapes” type of regulations, very specific to what actually happened, but not to what might happen.
"The co-pilot who tried to hijack..."
The dangers of scrolling. I had earlier passed on this material-rich 'Valley of the Kings' post, because I confused co-pilot with Microsoft's clunky screen bot Co-pilot.
I scrolled right pass it. Kid you not.
"I’d give partial credit to the 9/11 guys too."
The article's author did. From the article:
The troubling statistic that nearly half of pilots attempting to crash their own planes were Muslim does not take into account Muslim hijackings, including the Islamic terror attacks of September 11, or any other hijacking attempts, but is limited only to pilots crashing passenger airline planes.
If we were to count hijackings, 9/11 alone would ensure a much worse track record for Muslims flying planes since these were by far the deadliest cases of pilots, however illegal and illegitimate, weaponizing jet airplanes to cause as much damage and loss of life as possible.
"Great. There's an ax."
What you might say if you were trapped on a downed plane and none of the exit doors were available.
"Make the hatchet handle out of a pork bone."
Genius.
"A few good men saved flight FZ1073 from a terrorist attack this week. The man who took over the plane was a plumber. He is also a Trump supporter."
https://joehoft.com/israeli-plumber-who-saved-flight-fz1073-is-trump/
"Make the hatchet handle out of a pork bone."
Make airliner control yokes out of pork bone.
Make the whole plane out of pork with bacon seats. Nobody has got time to fight surrounded by bacon.
Everyone accepts the new statement of the weapon being a crash axe. Seems like a convenient way to avoid having to answer how a knife got on board.
Oh yeah. 9/11.
Terrorists will stop using planes when pigs fly.
When pigs fly...
Beat me to it.
"Aisle or window?"
"Window, extra crispy."
The ax attack was reported soon after the event. WaPo readers are just now hearing about it.
My son and I watched Kubrick's Killer's Kiss, 1955, together. The famous mannequin warehouse fight scene. Two men in a chase/fight to the death, grab parts of mannequins and weapons in a costume warehouse. One grabs an axe, the other then grabs something more elaborate, perhaps a poleax. My son said these weapons should be in glass cases: only open in case of improper deployment of a weapon.
Yes, there’s an ax. More frightening, there’s a co-pilot who wants to take the plane, himself, the captain and all the passengers down.
The "shoe bomber", Richard Reid, a British citizen who attempted to detonate plastic explosives hidden in his shoes aboard a transatlantic commercial flight on December 22, 2001, just over three months after the September 11 attacks, was a radicalized British convert to Islam who had traveled to Pakistan and Afghanistan, where he trained with al-Qaeda. I would add him to the Islam airplane hijacker/terrorist list above.
RCO: "Sorry there skipper. I don't "back up my claims" to randos on the intertubes. If you don't have the imagination to see a way for a co-pilot to disable a pilot without an ax - I cant help you."
You make a nonsense claim, because you don't know square root of heck all. Sure, I suppose it is possible that I could take out the other guy with my iPad, or the flight deck fire extinguisher or walk-around oxygen bottle. The big difference is that the axe is small, and easily removed without making any noise. The iPad is ridiculous, and the other two so bloody obvious as to arouse serious alarm well ahead of an attack.
"People used to suggest Pilots being armed. Thank God that isn't the case anymore."
It is called the Federal Flight Deck Officer program, started in 2002 and continues to this day.
You make another nonsense claim, because you don't know the square root of heck all.
James K said... "I recall that after Germanwings, a single pilot can’t be alone in the cockpit when one of the pilots uses the john."
Since reinforced flight deck doors, US airlines always required a flight attendant or jumpseating pilot on the flight deck whenever one of the assigned pilots left the flight deck.
The Europeans have done so since GermanWings.
Also, EU privacy laws prevented the EASA from knowing the GermanWings first officer's psychological issues.
The FAA gets enough medical information to have known what was going on — he would have been medically disqualified.
Mason G: "That’s why there hasn’t been a single case of an American airline pilot deliberately crashing a plane."
A single *successful* case. FedEx 705 was a horror show.
Shortly after 9/11, there were undercover armed air marshals on most flights. None of them hijacked a plane or attempted to.
The problem is not the ax.
"Shortly after 9/11, there were undercover armed air marshals on most flights."
How many of them were muslims?
Couldn't a copilot bent on disabling the pilot and crashing the plane just use his belt to strangle the pilot?
Right, Mason G. The problem is not the ax.
"The problem is not the ax."
Right. The problem is that all cultures are not equal and some are incompatible with the ideas that are expressed in the Declaration of Independence and codified in the Constitution.
"used a crash ax"
Those Muzzies will do anything to show anyone/everyone that their religion is the best.
"The problem is not the ax."
The problem is Muslims and their murderous religion.
"The problem is Muslims and their murderous religion."
It's impossible to argue otherwise. Even our usual apologists have only made a halfhearted attempt.
Refusing to hire Muslims as pilots would probably eliminate the problem.
1:36 - Bagoh's link.
wow - look at the tail of the plane.
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