See "Calls Show How Confusion Delayed Emergency Response for Christa Pike/The first 911 call from inside the prison was made at 8:40 p.m. It took about 30 minutes to verify its authenticity" (NYT).
"Confusion" is putting it euphemistically. How do I know the prison employees were not deliberately delaying in the hope that Pike would eventually expire?
There was an execution protocol, it didn't kill Pike, and there was no protocol relating to what to do next. But that did not create the authority to kill her in some other — slower — way.
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the point of this is to end her murderous cruel life, not save it.
There should have been a plan B.
I'm guessing that there's no 911 protocol for "We're trying to kill this bitch and she ain't dead yet."
I suppose that next she's going to have a book deal and a movie deal followed by an appearance on The View.
We've long forgotten about her victim. She's not here. and now our hearts bleed for the murderer.
Process-oriented versus goal-oriented.
Someone should have a pistol, just in case. That's what pistols are for - just in case your silly theater fails at doing what it tries so hard not to do.
The state had no privilege to kill her other than according to the protocol. If you think killing her in some other way is justifiable and even good, you're in the Luigi Mangione school of morality.
The reason why she is still alive, the victim's family continues to be tortured, and this circus doesn't end is billable hours. The only people benefiting, as usual.
The court ordered a protocol, but it also ordered an outcome. Why is only one of those important?
What court ordered Mangione's victim dead?
Planned Perphood
What would Planned Parenthood do when they fail to abort a child? Why don't State executions of convicted murderers follow PP protocol?
She was on death row.
Try again with the end of life care that didn't take.
Anyone discussing plan B? That there wasn't a plan B - that does not make me a fan of Mangione. I hope Mangione is sentenced to death. But he won't be in our era of up-side down moral depravity.
Again -
The problem is the victim of Pike's crime in forgotten, and now we must treat the criminal like a hero.
Only a university education can get you to think that a total failure of the protocol resulting in an obstruction of justice that failed to deliver the court's order and the jury's verdict is the system working as it should.
Bagoh's idea isn't SLOW. It's quick.
I find it insane that she was rushed to be saved. If she was unconscious, AND SHE WAS, - administer MORE end of life "care." That should have been the obvious protocol.
But you see all the bleeding hearts rushed it to say "No do overs!"
I had to call the home care vet to administer "end of life care" for a beloved 20 year old pet. It was an act of mercy to gently end his life in the most humane way possible.
Mangione Planned the abortion or premeditated murder of an innocent life.
The protocol is important, but so is the death order.
Imagine if saving someone's life were handled like this. "Oh, the CPR didn't work right away, so to hell with it. Bag him." They put all kinds of effort and tried multiple things to save her after a court order to end her. If they did nothing, justice would been done without suffering. Now we have the suffering without the justice.
Euthanasia protocol? There are Diverse protocols to abort a human life. They need to review the qualifications of the staff to isolate and exclude anti-Choice acolytes, Pro-Choice killers.
This failure isn't law or justice - it's feelings looking for something righteous to hide behind. Some want the verdict and sentence carried out, and some don't. It's that simple.
Grok, have executions by injections failed on other occasions?
Thought for 14s
Yes. Lethal injections used for capital punishment in the United States have failed or been botched on numerous occasions—far more frequently than other historical methods.
deathpenaltyinfo.org
Lethal injection (first used in 1982) has the highest documented botch rate. Researcher Austin Sarat’s analysis of U.S. executions from 1890–2010 found roughly 3.15% overall were botched (276 of 8,776), but lethal injection accounted for about 7.1–7.2% (75 of 1,054). Later data show the rate for lethal injection rising closer to 8% in more recent decades. A “botched” execution typically involves breakdowns in protocol, prolonged procedures, difficulty establishing IV lines, visible distress, or other complications that cause unnecessary suffering—most still end in death, though some attempts are fully aborted.
deathpenaltyinfo.org
Complete failures (prisoner survives the attempt)These almost always involve inability to set usable intravenous lines; drugs are usually not administered. Documented cases include:Romell Broom (Ohio, 2009) — halted after ~2 hours and multiple needle sticks.
Alva Campbell (Ohio, 2017).
Doyle Lee Hamm (Alabama, 2018).
Alan Eugene Miller (Alabama, 2022) — ~90 minutes of failed attempts.
Kenneth Eugene Smith (Alabama, 2022) — later executed by nitrogen hypoxia in 2024.
Thomas Creech (Idaho, 2024) — eight failed insertion attempts over nearly an hour.
Tony Carruthers (Tennessee, May 2026).
Christa Pike (Tennessee, September 30, 2026) is the rare exception: she received two doses of pentobarbital yet remained alive (reports of consciousness, breathing/snoring), was hospitalized, and later regained consciousness. Prior survivors had not received the drugs.
itv.com
Notable botched cases that still resulted in deathExamples include prolonged or visibly distressing procedures such as Clayton Lockett (Oklahoma, 2014 — ~45 minutes, vein problems and tissue injection), Joseph Wood (Arizona — hundreds of gasps over nearly two hours), Joe Nathan James Jr. (Alabama, 2022 — multi-hour process described as the longest modern lethal-injection execution), Raymond Landry (Texas, 1988 — catheter dislodged and sprayed chemicals), and others involving clogged lines, multiple failed sticks, or improper drug delivery.
deathpenaltyinfo.org
In 2022 alone, seven of 19 execution attempts were classified as botched (about 37%). Common contributing factors include difficulty locating veins (especially in people with histories of drug use or medical issues), limited medical expertise among execution teams (due to ethical restrictions on physician participation), drug shortages leading to compounded or alternative protocols, and infiltration of drugs into tissue rather than veins.
deathpenaltyinfo.org
In short, while most lethal-injection executions proceed without public incident, failures and complications have occurred repeatedly across multiple states and decades, with a higher rate than hanging, electrocution, lethal gas, or firing squad.
The victims always get forgotten.
>Ann Althouse said...
If you think killing her in some other way is justifiable and even good, you're in the Luigi Mangione school of morality.<
Well, isn't it great that we have an ethically superior arbiter of morality in the forum! It's just a shame that your morality edict is that kind of BS. Mangione indeed!
This evil creature - after having been tried, convicted and sentenced - was there to be executed. Too bad there wasn't a nice, fluffy, face-sized pillow handy at the time.
She received the death penalty. After the first two attempts failed, she should have been given palliative care, i.e., left to die.
"If you think killing her in some other way is justifiable and even good, you're in the Luigi Mangione school of morality."
How so?
Since some of you have brought up abortion, I think the question of what to do with Christa Pike when she survived the lethal injection procedure is parallel with what to do with the living baby who survives an effort at abortion. Some doctors favored leaving the infant alone to expire. It wasn't wanted anyway. It was slated for elimination. That seems to be what they were doing to Christa Pike for an hour or so.
Is there a protocol to save her? Again - total insanity - even cruelty - to save her and then try again later.
But with the "forget the victim" left - the sympathy goes straight to the poor poor skull cracking terrorizing killer.
"Slated to die"?
Maybe we should have a jury trial for every abortion.
Althouse, did you fall out of bed this morning?
OMG Ann .Really? A baby didn't commit a heinous crime.
There is no parallel.
They didn't have a protocol for what to do. It's totally understandable that the people at the prison didn't know if they should get her lifesaving help or not. This wasn't someone who'd had a heart attack. They had been in the mindset of bringing about her death for a long time and that meant learning and following the procedure provided to them for the purpose.
People in official positions tend to think about and prioritize following procedure. Outcomes are secondary. These people were doing exactly what you'd expect them to do when something happens for which there is no procedure, run it up the chain, ask your supervisor who will ask their supervisor who will ask their supervisor. The default is to do nothing, not to make a judgement call which might be wrong and for which they can be blamed.
Again - the original crime committed by this killer is completely forgotten.
Also, the left are never happy when an abortion is botched. They want that baby dead. The collective left demand that baby be killed. or left to die. They are hopping mad that anyone attempt to save it.
Again - the baby isn't a criminal who ended the life of another human being.
That we treat death row killers like babies - is no shock. It's just sad. and morally reprehensible.
Also, when the baby survives, it is no longer in the same legal status as it was before. It's no longer part of the mother's body for her to choose. It's a separate living human with rights superseding the mother's choices, and innocent of any crime.
"That we treat death row killers like babies - is no shock. It's just sad. and morally reprehensible."
Exactly, and it's more like the morality of a Mangione. I choose on my own to end this other human for my own reasons, and that's enough.
Convicted of premeditated murder and torture-torture. Sympathy? Empathy? Queer.
State performance of capital punishment should have a Planned Parenthood clinic standby to followup in the case of persistent viability. While PP is not perfect, their protocol is mostly effective, and approved by an ethical consensus.
This brings to mind the "Bring out your dead" scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. The guy with the body cart and 2 employees was a small business entrepreneur and as such, he was a decisive, practical problem solver who could think on his feet. He wasn't a mid-level bureaucrat or a clerk. He knew who the customer was and it wasn't the old geezer. It was the guy who was paying him. He made the customer happy and probably that guy would become a repeat customer and recommend him to all of his friends.
You just aren't going to get that in a bureaucratic institution like a state prison system.
GROK:
"The day before the killing, Crista Pike told another student she intended to kill Slemmer because she “had just felt mean that day.” [pre-meditated and planned]
On the evening of January 12, Pike, Shipp, and 18-year-old friend Shadolla Peterson signed out of the dorm with Slemmer. They lured her to a secluded area near an abandoned steam plant on the University of Tennessee campus (reportedly with an offer of marijuana or to “make peace”). Peterson acted as a lookout while Pike and Shipp attacked Slemmer for roughly 30 minutes to an hour.
Slemmer was beaten, kicked, had her head slammed against surfaces, and was repeatedly cut with a box cutter and meat cleaver. Her throat was slashed multiple times, and a pentagram was carved into her chest (Shipp has admitted he was the one who carved it). She pleaded for them to stop. Pike ultimately killed her by smashing her skull with a large chunk of asphalt. The cause of death was blunt-force trauma to the head. Pike took a fragment of Slemmer’s skull as a “souvenir” and later showed it to other students. "
Wow - we should ignore the victim and make sure Pike gets her deserved second chance. She is so nice.
I don't think it has to be maliciousness that led to the delay. Officials genuinely didn't know what to do. And most of the people complaining, like the NYT, are against the death penalty anyway so I don't find their reasoning compelling.
Clancycide, perhaps. PP is an Obamacare provider.
Indeed Bagoh - bleeding hearts for Mangione = no different than bleeding hearts of Crista Pike.
Stone cold pre-mediated murderers. But all is forgiven, because they are tender humans who deserve tender loving care and compassion. The victims are not extended any compassion. None.
Competency systems are not surviving thr complexity crisis.
Few military operations fail because of too much force or explosive. As I understand these things (poorly) there is normally two parts. Some sedative component, and another component that actually causes death. If she was out, they should have pushed another double dose of part 2 and saved everybody grief.
There's an interesting additional detail in this NewsChannel 5 report. According to the report, media witnesses had seen Pike gasping for air more than half an hour before the first 911 call. That raises another question: What accounts for the delay between those observations and the first request for medical assistance?
It helps to distinguish the delay in requesting medical help from the subsequent delay in getting responders into the prison. The first raises questions about when officials realized the execution had failed and medical help was needed. The second involves communication and who had authority to act.
The 8:40 call shows that someone inside the prison was trying to get help, while the 9:03 report that the call was false suggests serious confusion among officials. That doesn't rule out intentional delay, but it doesn't establish one either.
It would also be helpful to know whether the prison had a backup procedure for verifying emergencies when the caller lacked the usual security code, and who had authority to invoke it. These seem like sensible precautions when conducting an execution, one of the most consequential responsibilities the state can undertake.
I agree with Professor Althouse that a death sentence doesn't authorize officials to improvise another method of killing, even if the sentence itself remains legally enforceable.
None of these concerns diminishes the terrible crime against Colleen Slemmer or the suffering of her family. They too have every reason to expect the state to carry out its responsibilities competently and lawfully.
When Pike was convicted, she was sentenced to death by electrocution, not lethal injection. Tennessee switched to lethal injection a couple of years after her sentencing.
To read the details of Pike's crime, see the first section of the Sixth Circuit's upholding the denial of her habeas corpus.
https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/19a0205p-06.pdf
Say what you want about Christa Pike, when it came to killing she got the job done.
tommy esq ...
Electrocution would be too nice.
The level of compassion this cruel violent murderer Pike is receiving now, makes me ill. Inverted compassion.
The 18-year-old Pike deserved execution. Now, more than 30 years later, we have a middle-aged woman with the same name. The “justice delayed is justice denied” ship sailed long ago. Just commute her sentence and let this awful story end.
“The NYT can't answer those questions because the state has secrecy laws that protect its employees who do the work of carrying out the death penalty.”
I certainly hope they’re now ex-employees, but I suppose they’re still protected.
The morons in the chamber called -911 is also puzzling. Get the job done. The order is in place.
They should have asked Christa, what would you do if you were us?
I expect they were concerned about the inherent conflict of interest.
Capitol punishment: a bullet through the neck with plausible cause.
Planned Patienthood: euthanasia with consent?
Planned Parenthood: a scalpel and vacuum, with a hospital standby.
Planned Perphood: capital punishment of abortionists following due process, with an abortion clinic standby.
"It wasn't wanted anyway. It was slated for elimination."
Wow. Ideology does weird things to people.
Abort the murderer and the story ends. Perpetual incarceration is cruel and unusual.
I propose a new law or prison execution room protocol.
In big bold easy to read type - hang an extra large easy to read bulletin reminding those tasked with the execution - the heinous cruel crime committed by the murderer.
never forget.
Repeating again:
"If you think killing her in some other way is justifiable and even good, you're in the Luigi Mangione school of morality."
How so?
I don't recall Brian Thompson having a trial in the courts in which jurors reached the conclusion that he indeed murdered someone nor given appeals on whether that conclusion was properly reached. But setting aside Luigi's morality of murdering people in cold blood, let's talk about methods...
Do you know any nurses? Have you ever talked to them about what happens in hospitals every day when people reach their end of their life? Do you know how many doctors and nurses have DNRs, because they know the process of trying to keep a dying person alive is often more torturous than letting them die. Do you know how many people during Covid asked to be taken off respirators because being kept alive in that manner wasn't worth it to them?
I think you are being absurd suggesting that simply letting Christa Pike die slower, when it took emergency efforts to keep her alive at all, is equivalent to Luigi Mangione assassinating a person on the street.
Planned Perphood should be safe, legal, and rare. Abortion of murderers should occur following due process when judged beyond a reasonable, not plausible, not convenient cause.
Additionally - Make IT MANDATORY to read the criminal's crime out loud in the room, prior to their death.
(An easy death, BTW.
Lethal injection is a soft landing compared to the cruel terrorizing execution of the original victim of the original crime)
"Make is MANDATORY to have the criminal's crime read out loud"
Yes, elective abortion is a serious discipline of criminal affirmative action, should be performed without a cloak of privacy. Pike entertained abortive ideation, of relieving a "burden" of state and mind, with torture-torture enhancements.
The baby didn't commit a crime and Brian Thompson didn't commit a crime. But that's where we are in inverted reality/ inverted morality.
Exactly - Leland.
I'd like for Crista Pike to hear what she did to the person she killed- the person who never got to live out her life.
The last thing Pike should hear - before drifting off to sleep in the most gentle manner. If the prison techs need more anesthesia - then get more.
This botch goes to the heart of our mangled compassion and our new found leftwing de-evolution into piss-poor mismanagement, and a huge lack of unqualified people to manage our systems and society. It's like everyone is a Kamala-Newsum-AOC Bernie idiot.
So now the death penalty haters come in to gloat and taunt the outcome they have so carefully engineered. So the death-by-injection method is fraught with failures, gosh, I wonder why.
And how many successful procedures for putting patients under general anesthesia occur, on a daily basis, in hospitals and clincs across the developed world? How many millions? Shall we compare and contrast the failure rates, and discuss how training in medical procedures happens? Shall we compare and contrast the supply chain? Then, let's wrap up with an examination of all the obstacles that have been deliberately put into place and into practice, to make life impossible. Let's make it a fair examination, instead of the farce we're accustomed to being expected to take seriously.
"Few military operations fail because of too much force or explosive."
Mozambique drill. 100% of the time they're on the ground and have stopped moving but a 4th for extra credit won't hurt.
What Aggie said
“The state had no privilege to kill her other than according to the protocol. If you think killing her in some other way is justifiable and even good, you're in the Luigi Mangione school of morality.”
What the state did was monstrous. If you think “the protocol” makes it justifiable and even good, you’re in the lawyer school of morality.
My understanding is that the prison officials ran out of time, which prevented them from finishing it, because the death warrant had a time limit. That's stupid. As the old sentence would say: "Hung by the neck until dead". It should obviously be "continue until dead". This was avoidable in a dozen different ways, but once again the really smart experts screwed up something simple. Either that, or it was on purpose. One reason is criminal, and the other one is criminally stupid. There is no excuse for this failure, and there is no excuse to allow it to stand. Do your damned job for once, stop the suffering of the victims, and give them the justice they have been denied for 30 years. The cruelty dished out in the name of misplaced compassion and morality is the real immorality.
Aggie - spot on.
It is indeed possible that the all-woman execution team botched this on purpose.
911, state the nature of your emergency. We are performing a Planned Perphood and the convicted murderer is still viable. An abortionist from Planned Parenthood is on standby and will respond from a conveniently located neighborhood clinic.
Was the execution team anti-Choice, Pro-Choice? Maybe, baby, maybe prepared to narrate a handmade tale to mitigate comparing and contrasting with selective-child.
There's never an exercise band around when you need one.
Too soon?
Bagoh -11:21 ---> ### INDEED.
Oh for fuck's sake, the protocol was that she die on that table that night. Planning for any other outcome would just be stupid but we have, apparently, that stupid.
"It is indeed possible that the all-woman execution team botched this on purpose."
Wait....WHAT!?! Is that true? You gotta be kidding me. Anyone?
"all-woman execution team"
Please confirm...
IANAL, but the precedent is very well established. If you were sentenced to have your head removed from your shoulders, and the first stroke of the axe (or sword) did not accomplish that, the headsman was expected to keep on chopping until the head was off. “Hanged by the neck until dead,” meant precisely that. If the condemned person survived, whether because the rope broke or the executioner botched the job, the prisoner would have his (or her) neck placed into a new noose and then the trap dropped again.
So it would seem that everything depends on the wording of the death warrant. If it requires that the procedure end in her death then precedent going back centuries requires prison authorities must keep injecting her until a doctor pronounces her dead.
That makes Althouse correct. If Christa Pike’s death warrant called for her to die by lethal injection, then no other method is acceptable. Killing her some other way isn’t an execution — it’s murder.
Finish the dispatch with a large chunk of asphalt.
They didn't kill her with lethal injection. Was it a weak try on purpose? Why not have enough anesthetic on hand? (Did they prep her to be dehydrated?) ( Did they lower the dose on purpose?) Just asking questions here. Because it smells like a conspiracy for that to happen. or yes - basic incompetence.
Instead they called 9-11 - and the hospital did what hospitals do - they save lives.
Yancey. Indeed.
Eh, they probably get paid by the hour, so what's the problem?
The problem is Crista Pike - vicious killer - she was allowed to live for decades.
The death penalty should occur within 5 years. or sooner if it were up to me.
My little joke is that in Canada, every MD knows how to push a hypo. Are the American killers just poorly trained? Of course, the reason for M in MAID is that only qualified doctors are allowed to kill people who are requesting death. Why not a less qualified person? A kid who has taken a two-week course? Well the answer is obvious. Something might go wrong, meaning the patient might live.
One difference between the countries is that Big Pharma supposedly does not permit a state to use the drugs that are actually effective for killing--some substitute has to be found. Of all the things Big Pharma does, including now pushing the so-called Covid vaccines, this of all things would be unethical. But in Canada, if the attempted killing doesn't work, is there a protocol to make sure 9/11 is called nice and quickly, so everything is ethical? Beats me.
Since she survived the execution does that mean they have to give her back the piece of her tortured victims skull she kept as a souvenir?
I agree that the state should follow its laws on how to perform executions, so they should go forth and follow them. It seems like there could be better laws requiring better planning though.
My takeaway here is, under no circumstance should we have government run healthcare.
Did the delayed arrival of the ambulance have anything to do with her survival? I think not or the Times would have told us.
And, if not, then the entire issue is a meaningless distraction.
And Althouse is right (except for the Mangione comparison) that the state had no right to use alternate means.
Also, If at first you don't succeed, try try again.
Is there a law for conspiracy to botch an execution?
I’m in the Althouse school of thought on this. See @9:41 am
The fact that this failure may give us pause about how to humanely do this, may be a silver lining. Speaking as someone who favors keeping the death penalty. BTW.
Here's a safe prediction: Althouse will go to her grave completely oblivious to her complicity in the destruction of Western civilization. "Luigi Mangione school of morality" my ass.
If you think clearly about executions, the objective is the humane death of the person. Does the law really say, blindly follow this procedure and if the procedure fails then you are supposed to stop everything, run around in circles and then decide on an individual basis what you are going to do about it?
I really don’t this that is what the law requires. And it sounds like that was what was done in this case. An officer charged by the state with taking a life should have a legal alternative to use in case of the emergency of a failure. A veterinarian would have a second syringe and not let failure happen. There should be a plan. That is what is disturbing about this case.
Again - I just went thru this with a pet at the end of his life. A very old pet suffering and in need to end of life care.
The vet tech administered the first drug, which places the pet in relaxed sleep.
Then slowly - the vet tech administers an over-dose of anesthesia. This slows the heart until the heart stops.
This is the most humane way to end a life.
That they botched it and called 9-11 is very suspicious.
They didn't need an alternative method. They just needed to do the one they had as intended and ordered to be used: to execute, not to sedate. The argument that nothing else should be done is fine, but the state also did not have the right to deny justice as ordered just because of some arbitrary time limit that was shortened significantly by the stay imposed. The same love-of-protocol argument used here by some strangely doesn't include doing it correctly, completely, or as intended. The argument is that protocol failure is the only valid part of the protocol. That's just covering up a desire to thwart justice that both the murderer and the victims deserve, but you don't want for them.
All they had to do was give more of the drug. This involves no cruelty, no suffering, and no change to the method. Stopping and trying to save her was simply obstructing justice at the deepest level. Extension of the time limit should be automatic after a stay interferes. What if the stay used up all the time allocated? Do we just cancel the whole thing and ignore the sentence? It's a law circus with real victims continuing to be punished.
It really was an all female execution team, at her request. I thought this was a joke at first (it would have been a good joke), but it was true.
2026 has been a bad year for the ladies so far. They've covered themselves in shame...ridiculous, clumsy, incompetent, slanderous, hilarious shame.
I'd comment the execution team could fuck up a PBJ sandwich, but then again I'll wager there'd be no sandwich making anyway, I'd assure ya'll.
I get the protocol argument. It is much like the Massachusetts law on insanity defense. If that's the way the law is written, then that's the law. I understand if the warrant had some time limit, then fine, there is a time limit. I even accept that if there are limitations, then they should have a procedure to follow if they exceed limitations.
I still want to know how discussing this and wondering why any of those things exists equates to the morality of a cold-blooded assassin with no connection to their victim.
Comparing Mangione to Pike is like comparing fetuses to babies for social distancing, cis to transgender as politically congruent, etc.
“That they botched it and called 9-11 is very suspicious.”
“Hanlon’s razor is a philosophical adage that states: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.””
"What if the stay used up all the time allocated? Do we just cancel the whole thing and ignore the sentence? It's a law circus with real victims continuing to be punished."
Some things are complicated. That's why we have experts.
A death sentence should be considered a DNR for legal purposes.
So there was time to attempt a few extra jabs!!
Old and Slow said:
"It really was an all female execution team, at her request. I thought this was a joke at first (it would have been a good joke), but it was true."
What? Well no wonder it was "Botched."
It was probably the plan all along. I'll bet money on it.
All female team doesn't tell us anything in and of itself. They may or may not be DEIsts. They may be anti-Choice and Pro-Choice religious. They may be progressive, liberal, Democratic.
Let's cut this shit.
What we need to use is carbon monoxide gas from a welding supply house. Odorless, colorless, painless, definitively lethal in a matter of minutes.
Or Fentanyl in a massive quantity. It can be administered intramuscularly with no concern for the condition of the blood vessels of the condemned individual.
Or a firing squad. Has a squad of trained marksmen EVER failed to deliver near-instantaneous death?
"Let's cut this shit."
The people perpetrating this shit don't want to cut it.
Why did the NYT put this out on Instagram?
Ann Althouse said...
Since some of you have brought up abortion, I think the question of what to do with Christa Pike when she survived the lethal injection procedure is parallel with what to do with the living baby who survives an effort at abortion. Some doctors favored leaving the infant alone to expire. It wasn't wanted anyway. It was slated for elimination. That seems to be what they were doing to Christa Pike for an hour or so.
You are comparing a baby someone failed to abort to a murderer that tortured her victim and kept trophies.
You can't make this up.
And Ann considers herself a serious person.
Old and slow said...
It really was an all female execution team, at her request. I thought this was a joke at first (it would have been a good joke), but it was true.
We need to talk about universal suffrage.
Ann Althouse said...
The state had no privilege to kill her other than according to the protocol. If you think killing her in some other way is justifiable and even good, you're in the Luigi Mangione school of morality.
LOL!
Ann has rules. An you chuds better listen to her or you are evil like this other murderer because Ann is right and you are evil.
This level of reasoning is how you find a right to abortion in the Constitution.
bagoh20 said...
Process-oriented versus goal-oriented.
Someone should have a pistol, just in case. That's what pistols are for - just in case your silly theater fails at doing what it tries so hard not to do.
You are giving these people too much credit.
They wanted to fail and they didn't want to take responsibility for it.
People like Ann are just morally dishonest. They know that stamping your feet and lashing out emotionally undermine the system but they don't want to take responsibility for anything.
It was good enough for gov't work. After another decade or so of legal wrangling they can try again.
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