Althouse: Sunrise.

19 అక్టోబర్, 2026

Sunrise.

82 కామెంట్‌లు:

Inga చెప్పారు...: What’s going on here?😬

https://www.sacurrent.com/news/politics-and-elections/a-black-woman-says-she-was-ejected-from-ken-paxtons-san-antonio-rally-turns-out-she-was-a-right-wing-content-creator/

“Black MAGA Influencer Drives Over 2 Hours to Support Ken Paxton, Gets Kicked Out of His Rally”

“Oh my gosh. I cannot believe this. Someone just came up to me and said that Ken Paxton’s campaign manager wanted me to leave,” she said. “I am just … My mouth is wide open right now. I really can’t believe this.”

“I have done nothing but support everyone on the Republican side, and this is how I get treated?” she questioned.“

“This, I will never forget. Never. This was beyond disrespectful.”

Sorry this happened to her, but why was she so shocked?; 19-10-26 7:28 PM
JZ చెప్పారు...: The muted colors in the first one are nice.; 19-10-26 7:32 PM
Wa St Blogger చెప్పారు...: concern troll...; 19-10-26 7:34 PM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: Watched our turkey flock fly up into our white pines this evening. What a lumbering production.

With God as my witness, turkeys CAN fly!; 19-10-26 7:41 PM
FullMoon చెప్పారు...: Wishing Inga a speeding recovery. Performance this year far less than usual. Reaction to covid shot?; 19-10-26 7:41 PM
Aggie చెప్పారు...: Went and voted today, first day of early voting. Waited until this mid-afternoon to avoid the crush. Wrong. Parked about 1/10 mile away from the polling place and walked. The lot was full and each aisle had people waiting in their cars for a spot to open up from a departing voter.

Inside the municipal building, the line stretched from the polling place, down the hall clear across the building, then back up the other side of the hall to the other end, then wrapped around again halfway up the hall again. A coiled-up multilegged arthropod, a voterpede. Everybody in good humor, some wearing their patriotic colors.

The line moved fairly efficiently, took about 50 minutes to get through. Appeared to be a cross section, lots of older people post-50's, quite a few workers, some housewives, a bunch of student aged. Some looked like they were voting the first time. One skinny guy had his sample ballot held up against his face the whole time, like it was a COVID mask.

Somehow this makes it a lot easier for me to tune out the noise that's coming over the next couple of weeks.

Don't forget to vote.; 19-10-26 7:46 PM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: "A Black woman says she was ejected from Ken Paxton’s San Antonio rally. Turns out she was a right-wing content creator."

"The incident comes as Texans head to the polls to cast their ballots on the first day of early voting."

How convenient.; 19-10-26 7:47 PM
Iman చెప్పారు...: Thelma & Louise was an op set up for gullible m00nbat lefties (e.g., Inga) to run with.

No sale.; 19-10-26 7:59 PM
William50 చెప్పారు...: The Wisconsin Elections Commission just ruled that the state's 1,800 municipal clerks cannot use the federal SAVE database to check if voters are U.S. citizens.

Amy Curtis
Townhall
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This is a terrible thing to say but, living in Wisconsin I'm not surprised by this at all.; 19-10-26 8:02 PM
imTay చెప్పారు...: This is Michal Yon, you may remember him as the military blogger from Afghanistan and Iraq. Well he has seen a lot of protests up close, including coups, and says that this thing going on in France right now is clearly organized, and he explains the signs, how to tell. He says he was at J6 and there were agent provocateurs everywhere.

One thing he said happened at J6 was that if a group has drums, it's left wing, no exceptions. Trump supporters don't use drums at demonstrations, and a group showed up dressed like Trumpers, but had drums to get them going. That was only one sign at J6.

Anyway, the first part, where he discusses the things he knows, which is how these "protests" work is fascinating, but the second half gets into a lot more speculation, and YMMV with that, IDK. It's the first part I am linking for.

https://www.youtube.com/live/dOLnc7zmrl4; 19-10-26 8:02 PM
imTay చెప్పారు...: "How convenient."

Exactly, it might be true... but where we are now is the time of lies.; 19-10-26 8:03 PM
Iman చెప్పారు...: GO 9ers!!!; 19-10-26 8:04 PM
Peachy+2 చెప్పారు...: I hear the Wisconsin AG dem running for office wants to give illegals drivers licenses and voting rights.; 19-10-26 8:08 PM
Peachy+2 చెప్పారు...: maga influencer who was a democrat 2 years ago. I'm sure that part of the back story and what that really looks like will be missed by the hacks.; 19-10-26 8:10 PM
RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...: WEC is supposed to be bi-partisan and supposedly according to wikipeida has 3-3 party split. So, 1 Republican wants illegals to vote? sounds like the republican party.; 19-10-26 8:12 PM
RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...: Reading about election disputes in Winsconsin is wild. Same ol story of the partisan democrats in the judiciary and RINOs getting together stop any reasonable attempt to have a voter roll or congressional districts that are valid or reasonable. Democrat party uber alles.; 19-10-26 8:16 PM
Scott Patton చెప్పారు...: Jimmy Carr short
Audience question: "Do you wear a suit on your day off?"
Jimmy: "Yeah... I dress like a fucking adult... I'm just trying to serve as an example for this man in shorts."; 19-10-26 8:17 PM
Peachy+2 చెప్పారు...: Heh heh heh heh; 19-10-26 8:20 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit చెప్పారు...: We had the word "cavalier" pop up earlier today. Earlier tonight, we of AA, reading a story from the back of the Big Book, came upon the word "insouciance".

ai: Cavalier primarily means showing a careless, dismissive, or indifferent attitude toward important or serious matters, often ignoring other people's safety or feelings.

ai: "Insouciance is a formal, literary noun meaning a relaxed, carefree attitude, a lack of concern, or a cheerful indifference to things that normally cause worry."

I don't know Pat Murphy. But it's possible Pat displayed "insouciance" towards the investigation, and was not really "cavalier". But once finding out their mistake, the NCAA was not about to admit that they had wronged Pat Murphy. So they went on to say he was "cavalier". Typical autocratic, cavalier bureaucracy.; 19-10-26 8:42 PM
Jersey Fled చెప్పారు...: “The Wisconsin Elections Commission just ruled that the state's 1,800 municipal clerks cannot use the federal SAVE database to check if voters are U.S. citizens.”
I can’t think of a single reason except they want illegals to vote. Which they are not entitled to do at least in federal elections.; 19-10-26 9:03 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...: If they're opposed to using the federal database, what does the Wisconsin Elections Commission use to confirm citizenship?; 19-10-26 9:08 PM
Jersey Fled చెప్పారు...: Remember that the initial plan was to grant the illegals citizenship by fiat. That failed. Now they’re left with plan B which is just to let them vote anyway.; 19-10-26 9:10 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit చెప్పారు...: At Althouse almost Five Years Ago Today.

A word on that post 👆🏽 made me go with 'almost' five years ago, because the post I was going with (from exactly five years ago) was meh.
Who wants to relive a post about the "word of the day", from exactly five years ago?; 19-10-26 9:18 PM
Jersey Fled చెప్పారు...: On another note:

Fun fact of the day.

In the U.S., acreage lost to wildfires is down 75% or 80% from the 1920s and 1930s.; 19-10-26 9:18 PM
Gospace చెప్పారు...: I have to start bookmarking what I read so I can later post a link...

I read today that so far this year more children have been killed by their mother then have been killed in school shootings. So- using liberal logic- all children must be taken away from their parents and raised in a communal barracks area cared for by tender loving government employees hired by the state to ensure their parents won't kill them.

Of course, the state will use the same screening techniques it uses for teachers, so the children will all be sexually abused, but at least they won't be killed.; 19-10-26 9:20 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...: "In the U.S., acreage lost to wildfires is down 75% or 80% from the 1920s and 1930s."

Is there anything Climate Change™ can't do?; 19-10-26 9:22 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit చెప్పారు...: ai: "Five Years" by David Bowie is the opening track on his 1972 concept album The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars, serving as a dramatic prologue about an impending apocalyptic disaster that will destroy Earth in five years due to a lack of natural resources."; 19-10-26 9:34 PM
Peachy+2 చెప్పారు...: Illegals granted drivers licenses is a 2-fold positive for democrats.
1) more US citizens are killed or maimed by these illegal drivers.
2) Illegals have and will use the ID to vote.; 19-10-26 9:38 PM
Jim at చెప్పారు...: *Sorry this happened to her, but why was she so shocked?*

I agree. She shouldn't be shocked. We all hate black people.
It's right there in that story. Context and all.

Believe it because it's true. We all hate black people. All black people. All the time.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We should try to hide our blatant racism better. We shouldn't make it so obvious to leftist trolls that we all hate black people.; 19-10-26 9:45 PM
Jim at చెప్పారు...: I mean, it's just like we're all mouth-breathing, schtoopid morons who laugh and clap at all of Trump's jokes. Like a bunch of barking seals.

Because we're dum and schtoopid.

Not like those smart leftists who know better than anybody how dummm, schtoopid - and racist - we are.; 19-10-26 9:50 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit చెప్పారు...: ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.; 19-10-26 9:53 PM
Peachy+2 చెప్పారు...: A friend of mine is in Amsterdam - this is hers.
"
Travel Log: Amsterdam [skips most of it/// but this..]

"We found a neighborhood restaurant for dinner, but there was a half hour wait and it was pouring outside so we stood in the tiny vestibule waiting for our table. I struck up a conversation with an old dude at the bar (Charlie says I collect old dudes and he’s not wrong) and found out the bar was filled with retired Police Chiefs. I asked him about how Amsterdam was doing and he went OFF. He said the hard left Mayor and hard left city government was making it easy for illegal immigrants who didn’t share Dutch values to live on welfare, and that they were ruining the city. I was like same, dude, same. ... We bought a round for him and his buddy so he came to thank me at our table. Here he is, in an appropriately blurry photo."; 19-10-26 9:57 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit చెప్పారు...: Let me try that again...

rhhardin said... (almost five years ago today)
"Insouciance is one of the seven chief French emotions."

If they were locals --they were just being French at the cafe.

Mystery solved.; 19-10-26 10:00 PM
Peachy+2 చెప్పారు...: "France violent riots and destruction over the weekend. I believe that socialists, communists (of which there are quite a lot in France), and Islamists have taken over from student protesters. Some of the people involved just want to loot for their own financial gain, but many are bent on destruction, not just of some property in the moment but for the long term. The far-left and Islamists share a desire to destroy governments and fundamentally to destroy western civilization."
RK; 19-10-26 10:06 PM
Peachy+2 చెప్పారు...: #The snip!; 19-10-26 10:09 PM
Gospace చెప్పారు...: Just wandering X before bed:

Richard Strocher 𝕏
@RichardStrocher
It's official: Supreme leader Kim Yo Jong

From the indiatimes.com:
Kim Jong-un death rumours intensify, claims emerge sister Kim Yo-jong has taken power, 9,000 Chinese troops sent to North Korea

Then there's this:
Kim Jong Un 'proof of life' photos released by North Korea

New York Post
North Korea has released a fresh batch of apparent "proof of life" photos showing Kim Jong Un inspecting shoes and women's clothing.

Schrödinger's supreme leader at the moment. More proof of life though then the USA received during Mitch McConnell's absence. and IIREC- there was a congresscritter recently suspended for failing to appear...; 19-10-26 10:11 PM
gspencer చెప్పారు...: All set, Brewers v. Tampa Bay. Hoping for the Brewers.; 19-10-26 10:19 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit చెప్పారు...: ai: "Norm Macdonald wore a Milwaukee Brewers hat primarily because he was a close friend and admirer of legendary baseball announcer and comedian Bob Uecker, as well as a general, lifelong sports fan."

Let's go Brewers!; 19-10-26 10:34 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit చెప్పారు...: "French Woman from Limoges Explains What Happened There Didn't Start Yesterday but Decades Ago" Link to video; 19-10-26 10:40 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit చెప్పారు...: Congresswoman Omar has left the country?; 19-10-26 10:51 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...: News reports state that the Department of Justice seized Rep. Omar’s passport.; 19-10-26 10:56 PM
Nice చెప్పారు...: This from Twitter (I still call it Twitter) :

" Why do richer people seem to dislike traveling more?

I came across a blogger's take that I think really hits the nail on the head.

He said: Traveling is the most basic lifestyle.
Truly wealthy and leisurely people don't travel at all.

Because for ordinary folks, traveling is about "checking in." The whole family drags their luggage along, rushing for trains, queuing up, buying tickets, crammed in crowds—by the end of the trip, you're exhausted to pieces and your wallet's flat broke. Spending money to suffer, then patting yourself on the back for it.

While for the rich, it's about "vacationing."
They find a spot with great views and peace and quiet, stay for ten days or half a month, sleep until they wake naturally, don't go anywhere—just stay put.
One's always rushing on the road, the other's just living life..."; 19-10-26 11:35 PM
wendybar చెప్పారు...: Original Mike said...
Watched our turkey flock fly up into our white pines this evening. What a lumbering production.

With God as my witness, turkeys CAN fly!

10/19/26, 7:41 PM

I went to my friends camp in Welles NY, a few years back. I am an extremely early riser, and was out on the front porch having coffee in the dark....and all of a sudden, all around me, these big blobs were dropping down from the trees around me....Turkeys!! A whole rafter of them. The people I was with were shocked too. They have been going there their whole lives and none of them ever experienced that!!! It was a sight to see!!!; 20-10-26 1:16 AM
Old and slow చెప్పారు...: "ten days or half a month" isn't really much of a vacation. If I can't manage at least 6 weeks in a place, I don't see the point of going.; 20-10-26 4:54 AM
Leland చెప్పారు...: “We should try to hide our blatant racism better.”

Meanwhile in NY, the Governor’s office asked the AG’s office to look into how to modernize “To Kill A Mockingbird”, and now nobody can party.; 20-10-26 5:37 AM
rehajm చెప్పారు...: …wealthy and ‘leisurely’ is key- if you’re leisurely you stay put. All the wealthy people I know/am travel all the time, partly because they have multiple homes but also a pattern of travel where they go to many places often enough they cease being a tourist. Netjets kind of eliminates the hassle of travel, so you know- one less thing…; 20-10-26 5:40 AM
rehajm చెప్పారు...: …wealthy and ‘leisurely’ is key- if you’re leisurely you stay put. All the wealthy people I know/am travel all the time, partly because they have multiple homes but also a pattern of travel where they go to many places often enough they cease being a tourist. Netjets kind of eliminates the hassle of travel, so you know- one less thing…; 20-10-26 5:40 AM
imTay చెప్పారు...: "The far-left and Islamists share a desire to destroy governments and fundamentally to destroy western civilization."

Funny how we keep bombing their homelands, turning their native countries into 'failed states" when what we really mean is "destroyed states," and providing millions of foot soldiers to come to the West.

Who is really responsible for this? And it's not just the pensions that are bleeding the French government coffers, it's also billions upon more billions of Euros sent to Ukraine to be destroyed, well, the portion that is not skimmed by grifters, but nobody is allowed to talk about that.; 20-10-26 5:42 AM
Leland చెప్పారు...: Brewers vs Rays; 20-10-26 5:53 AM
Breezy చెప్పారు...: Islamists’ reasons to venture to the west or non-Islamic states is Islam. Islam is a conquest-driven ideology. It’s followers can’t stay in one place and be true adherents. It’s in their DNA.; 20-10-26 6:17 AM
ronetc చెప్పారు...: Mason G asked, "If they're opposed to using the federal database, what does the Wisconsin Elections Commission use to confirm citizenship?" Answer is, the pinky swear.; 20-10-26 6:28 AM
Eva Marie చెప్పారు...: Amy Acton (D) is running for governor of Ohio.
Her mom’s two cents’ worth:
https://x.com/still_hustling/status/2112384143283892720/video/1?s=46; 20-10-26 6:43 AM
MadTownGuy చెప్పారు...: Brivael Le Pogam on X:

re: Macron compared to Musk

"I used the Dark Triad to look at Macron. The most common reply was: "Do Elon next. Richest man on earth, runs half a dozen companies, fights with everyone online. He must be the ultimate Dark Triad case."

I think he's close to the opposite. And the contrast teaches something important.

Quick reminder of the three traits. Narcissism: grandiosity, need for admiration, a fragile relationship to being wrong. Machiavellianism: strategic manipulation of people, long-term calculation, concealment. Psychopathy: low empathy, emotional coldness, indifference to the harm you cause. Not diagnoses, dimensions. What matters is how far you go, and in what combination.

Let's start with the one people will throw at me first: narcissism.

Elon obviously scores high on grandiosity. Nobody decides to make humanity multiplanetary with a modest ego. But grandiosity isn't the core of narcissism. The core is how you handle being wrong.

For Macron, being wrong is an injury. So the error gets defended, explained away, blamed on others.

Elon blows up rockets in public. On livestream. And his teams celebrate, because every explosion is data. He posts memes about himself, laughs at his own failures, says absurd things and gets mocked by millions, and keeps going. He doesn't take himself seriously. He takes the mission seriously."

Much more at the link. A good read.; 20-10-26 6:44 AM
Peachy+2 చెప్పారు...: Elon hires really smart engineers.

The Slotkin left want them all killed.; 20-10-26 7:38 AM
Peachy+2 చెప్పారు...: Eva - 6:43

Your link

the pattern we see on the left. Liars and lie-buyers.; 20-10-26 7:50 AM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: Over at Instapundit Glenn Reynolds links to a very interesting essay by Kurt Schlichter on dealing with the latest, flailing, incarnation of “ Woke.”

Glenn’s summary: “There’s no better argument for [the] patriarchy than woke feminism.”; 20-10-26 7:55 AM
rcommal చెప్పారు...: I was texting with my best friend of 54 years, who's lived in Texas since 1987 and is married to a native Texan, this morning. She lives in San Antonio, and she said the lines that she's seeing at early voting sites are longer than usual and the polling places are busy. They're early voting tomorrow.

So she's seeing what you saw, Aggie, in her state. In what state are you seeing the lines?

I've have never voted early before (or by mail, absentee ballot or otherwise) in my life. I'm strictly a vote in-person, photo-ID-in-hand gal. Which I would prefer everyone should be.

But I think I will vote early this year. I assume there will be lines because I live in an area that votes (The Villages, Fl). I've voted in Florida before, but in Lake County, not in Sumter County, so I don't have firsthand knowledge from previous experience where I live now. I'm just assuming that it will be even busier here.; 20-10-26 8:06 AM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: "While for the rich, it's about "vacationing."
They find a spot with great views and peace and quiet, stay for ten days or half a month, sleep until they wake naturally, don't go anywhere—just stay put."

We're not rich, but that's what we do.; 20-10-26 8:16 AM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: We've been in northern Wisconsin since June. Going "home" tomorrow.; 20-10-26 8:21 AM
Aggie చెప్పారు...: @rcomma1: Texas. The Borg says: '...This turnout reflects a significant engagement compared to previous midterm elections, indicating heightened interest among voters....'

It would seem that wait times of 45 minutes are being reported as common. Of course, this was just the first day, and the motivated OCD voters will be beating a path. I would expect that later in the week it will slow down to where the lines are minimal it always seems to), but we'll see.; 20-10-26 8:24 AM
planetgeo చెప్పారు...: Here's a clue about long, leisurely vacations. If you're retired when you do this, it's not "vacationing".; 20-10-26 8:32 AM
Peachy+2 చెప్పారు...: O mike - where is home?; 20-10-26 8:38 AM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: Madison, WI.
It's only 4 hours away, so not really traveling, I guess.
It's our international trips where we go for 2 - 3 months at a time and just live there for awhile. On those trips we like to find a nice Airbnb with a fantastic view and just sit there for a week, then move on and do it again.; 20-10-26 9:03 AM
Humperdink చెప్పారు...: Funny line from a story on Ro Khanna (HotAir): “While AOC and Sanders earned their populist credibility the hard way — being economic illiterates who have battled the establishment throughout their careers …”; 20-10-26 9:04 AM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: "Here's a clue about long, leisurely vacations. If you're retired when you do this, it's not "vacationing"."

Yeah, I'd call it 'traveling'.; 20-10-26 9:05 AM
Big Mike చెప్పారు...: Found an interesting headline this morning: “NYTimes Worries That Far Right Is Benefiting From Being Correct About Migration.”

And I note that to the NYT “far right” means anyone to the right of Vlad Lenin.; 20-10-26 9:19 AM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: University rector killed by piece of roof blown off Frank Lloyd Wright’s home

That man sure had an uneasy relationship with roofs.; 20-10-26 9:26 AM
Rustygrommet చెప్పారు...: Who is really responsible for this?

An intelligent person would be able to figure this out. But, alas.; 20-10-26 9:28 AM
Peaceful warrior చెప్పారు...: As I understand it, the Elections Commission did conclude that clerks cannot use SAVE in its current form. But the bipartisan commission's vote was unanimous, and its Republican chairman had already told legislators that state law would need to change first. The issue is Wisconsin's privacy protections, not opposition to citizenship verification.

Mason G raises a fair question about how citizenship is verified. Wisconsin relies partly on sworn declarations, and knowingly falsifying voter-registration information is a felony, so it's more than a "pinky swear."

Surely we can find ways to strengthen citizenship verification while protecting personal information and avoiding mistakes that might prevent eligible citizens from voting. Those seem like goals everyone could support.; 20-10-26 9:55 AM
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ చెప్పారు...: Alberta voters reject a move toward independence in referendum backing Canadian unity ~ NPR

The media hype leading up to the vote made this seem far closer than it actually was.

Having visited Alberta multiple times, my impression is that support for independence is largely confined to a relatively small segment of the population — some oil patch workers, truckers and ranchers. The outcome was hardly surprising. It’s a good example of how a vocal fringe minority can gain legitimacy simply by shouting loudly enough online and dominating the conversation.

As with any place, Alberta’s stereotypes have some basis in reality, but they hardly represent the majority of Albertans.; 20-10-26 10:05 AM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: "Surely we can find ways to strengthen citizenship verification while protecting personal information and avoiding mistakes that might prevent eligible citizens from voting. Those seem like goals everyone could support."

Claiming that checking on a voter's citizenship status is accessing "personal information" is bullshit. The intent here is as obvious as the nose on your face.; 20-10-26 10:09 AM
Mason G చెప్పారు...: "The issue is Wisconsin's privacy protections..."

How are Wisconsin privacy protections violated by looking at a federal database?; 20-10-26 11:22 AM
Rustygrommet చెప్పారు...: The issue is Wisconsin's privacy protections, not opposition to citizenship verification.

Remember the lefts vigorous effort to have your governor impeached? Remember the recall petitions being circulated?Remember that? Some wag on this blog predicted, (oh, that was me!) that there would be 10 percent fraudulent signatures. Turns out it was closer to 20 percent. I concluded from that, that the left will do anything to cheat politically. It has nothing to do with privacy. Your name and address is already on the voter list. Your precinct, Your district and your state already have all your information. There is no assumption of privacy.
So my question to you is. What can it hurt to ensure election integrity to have voters prove that they are legally entitled to vote?; 20-10-26 12:23 PM
Original Mike చెప్పారు...: "It has nothing to do with privacy. Your name and address is already on the voter list. Your precinct, Your district and your state already have all your information. There is no assumption of privacy."

The premise that you should get to vote in secret is incredible. Who you vote for is private. Who you are is not.; 20-10-26 12:39 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...: "The premise that you should get to vote in secret is incredible."

It would be quite useful, for anyone interested in cheating in an election.

Are there any people (or political parties) like that?; 20-10-26 1:19 PM
Aggie చెప్పారు...: '...It’s a good example of how a vocal fringe minority can gain legitimacy ...'

And this is a good example of Bad Faith arguing, presenting itself as reasonable logic.

25% of the voting populace is not a 'fringe.' A proposal that gathers 25% of the vote in support is not an example of a small number of people punching way above their weight and 'dominating the conversation'. Its a legitimate political proposal that was articulated and onto the ballot, which lost at the balloting place.

Bad Faith.; 20-10-26 1:21 PM
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ చెప్పారు...: I didn’t say the 25% weren’t legitimate voters. I said a vocal minority can dominate the conversation without representing the majority. Those are two entirely different things. You’ve managed to argue against a point I didn’t make and call it bad faith. That’s quite a trick. 😉; 20-10-26 1:42 PM
Leland చెప్పారు...: Took me 8 min to vote today on over 100 line items. I lucked out and missed the lunch rush. Still, parking was difficult and the location was full. The people supposedly sitting it out seem to be showing up in car fulls.; 20-10-26 3:10 PM
Aggie చెప్పారు...: Bullsh*t. You called 25% of the populace that voted for separation a 'fringe'. That's what you called them, and you're wrong.; 20-10-26 5:21 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...: How can you be sure he called them that? He could have copy/pasted that from someplace else.; 20-10-26 6:15 PM
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ చెప్పారు...: 25% is a substantial minority. I’ll grant you that. But a quarter of the electorate voting for separation doesn’t make separation a mainstream position, much less mean the movement’s prominence in the media and online reflected its actual level of public support.

My point was about a vocal minority punching above its weight in the public conversation, not whether those voters were entitled to their views. You’re fixating on the word “fringe” rather than addressing that distinction.

You’re arguing that 25% is too large to call a fringe. Fair enough. But you still haven’t explained why the volume of the debate should be mistaken for the views of the majority. Loudness and numbers are two different metrics.; 20-10-26 7:17 PM
Rustygrommet చెప్పారు...: Well, PW?; 20-10-26 8:54 PM

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