I thought Collins conducted herself with dignity here. She really didn't rise to the bait(s). She didn't take the opportunity she might have done. And I thought her explanation of her attitude was solid, what you'd actually want. So color me pleasantly surprised.
I also thought it was funny the way she handled it when Stewart went after the smiling thing. She got the better of him in that exchange. Perhaps I am wrong, but I got the sense that the audience thought it was funny, too.
Meade: I agree with your comment. She doesn't seem to be going with the faux outrage/faux surprise thing, and at least here, I'm not seeing self-righteousness.
…one could imagine Maduro or the Ceaușescus talked like this but that elevates these clowns a bit too much. They’re more like Hillary Clinton or Jon Lovitz as Michael Dukakis- ‘I can’t believe I’m losing to this guy!’….I suppose it’s inevitable because there’s an election so hope returns. I hope they remain defeated…
What struck me most about this "casual" interview was how much she looks like Dylan Mulvany when she smiles. What we usually see is that smirk shown in that poster frame for the video with Stewart.
And yes, why is pointing out that resemblance to Mulvany so insulting?
"If transwomen are really women, why is she offended?"
Did she say she was offended?
Also, the trans aspect of the Trump's insult was never mentioned.
My observation is that Dylan Mulvaney is much more effeminate than Kaitlan Collins, who is very attractively mannish in a way that doesn't seem like an act and doesn't make anyone think she's not a woman. That's a very good role model for young women who might entertain the notion that they are transmen and in need of medical treatments.
I think this conflates two different things: gender expression and gender identity. A woman can be traditionally feminine, masculine, or anywhere in between without that saying anything about whether she’s transgender. Likewise, someone who is transgender isn’t simply reacting to stereotypes about masculinity or femininity.
I agree it’s important for young people to see that women don’t have to fit narrow gender norms. But that doesn’t mean everyone questioning their gender is just a masculine woman or an effeminate man. Those are different experiences, and reducing them to appearances oversimplifies a complex issue.
"What struck me most about this "casual" interview was how much she looks like Dylan Mulvany when she smiles."
Trump made a big thing out of how Collins never smiles. That's an overstatement. She doesn't lavish smiling on people because she's not about deploying feminine wiles and flirting her way into journalistic discoveries. She's serious and professional. That's the style exemplified by Greta Garbo long ago.
Dylan Mulvaney has chosen to present to the world a face that is continually smiling as broadly as possible. It's a throwback to Mary Tyler Moore and Marlo Thomas, who were, in their TV roles, smiling out of desperation most of the time. The standard idea is that transwomen are seeking to feel comfort within their own body. So why the desperate oversmiling? It may be feminine, in that it is associated with women, but the role of women in this world is not best accomplished by highly nervous women who are constantly aiming to please and acting fakely delighted. Maybe when they are 17 or so, but Mulvaney is nearly 30.
No. The whole Stewart-Collins schtick at the start of the interview was to avoid actual mention that she looked more and more like Mulvany the more she smiled silently at the allusion rather than her usual smirk.
**Ann Althouse said...My observation is that Dylan Mulvaney is much more effeminate than Kaitlan Collins, who is very attractively mannish in a way that doesn't seem like an act and doesn't make anyone think she's not a woman. **
This is the crux of the whole trans issue, isn't it. Collins is more mannish than Mulvaney but no one would mistake her for a man any more than they would mistake him for a woman. The male/female is about more than mere presentation and all the acting otherwise won't change a thing.
"She was not directly asked **the** question that she should have been asked--what did she think of Trump's remark. This is why it was not a good interview, much less great."
I said *she* was great. She was not the interviewer. She handled her side of something that she did not control. There's a lot to learn in observing how she relates to Jon Stewart. Again, she was *great.*
She was not directly asked **the** question that she should have been asked--what did she think of Trump's remark. This is why it was not a good interview, much less great.
She did indicate she is used to Trump's insults, so I take that mean she considers his remark an insult.
A.I.: Kaitlan Collins management team consist of 1 agent and 2 publicists.
The whole set-up of the interview was to present her as above-the-fray. Stewart provided the indignation which is the title of this post...
"There are times when I watch him, and I think to myself, this can't be real. Like, this can't be America. America. You've heard of us. We're great...."
Yesterday Ann mentioned how the "peaceful demonstrators" have taken over roads and blocked traffic. that's not new it's happened in every year that the "progressive left" want to show how powerful they are and how the police will not stop it. That two media types can tell all about the horrible WORDS spoken by Pres. Trump has made them FEEL - gee do you have any idea about the feelings of folks who could not visit family in nursing homes in 2020 or folks who watched the sniper massacre of 5 Dallas police during a BLM Peaceful march?
She pretends to be calm, dignified, and above the fray. It's a good act, but it's an act.. I'd find her more credible if she expressed some annoyance or hostility. Trump certainly does. I don't always admire the way Trump expresses it, but I don't doubt his sincerity...........Does anyone remember her asking hard hitting questions to Biden or his spokeswoman? Has she ever expressed regret about the prominence she has given fraudulent stories about Trump?......I suppose the fact that Trump gone after her, will give her career a boost. She's not as obnoxious as Acosta or Olbermann so that's a plus. Still, she does have a striking resemblance to Dylan Mulvaney and that joke will stick.
"She did indicate she is used to Trump's insults, so I take that mean she considers his remark an insult."
If you insult me and I recognize that you are insulting me, that does not mean I accept the premise of the insult. She's saying he does this kind of trash talk all the time, and she stayed above it, not analyzing the substance of it.
Most girls who try to transition to boys seem to be trying to escape the sexual attention of men. A less extreme choice is to is to get a bunch of body piercings, chop the hair off and dye it green, etc. Anything to become ugly and thereby escape the male gaze.
By contrast, most men who transition are trying to become sexually attractive to men, including themselves.
I thought she did a good job, but then John Stewart could hardly have made it easier for her. As noted above by Wince, the interview of her was set up to contrast her as dignified against an undignified Trump. Why not ask her why her employer isn’t interested in Chinese interference with elections the way they were with Russia? Or why her employer isn’t curious about Dr. Fauci’s contradictions? Is it still dignified to be above the fray, when you’re hiding behind what you are doing in the fray? I don’t agree.
"Separated at Birth" jokes have long been a staple of comedy, particularly political comedy. Especially regarding persons of opposite gender. Isn't it something Stewart has been using on a regular basis for a very long time?
I know that Craig Ferguson used to have a running gag where they put up pictures of Angela Lansbury whenever Paul McCartney was the subject, and vice versa. But he was never very politically correct. (Ha!)
I don't think that most of Trump's jokes were very good or effective, and I don't think Trump really cared, but the idea that this was some sort of "vicious attack on a respected professional and uncalled for in our polite society" is complete hogwash. It was a joke!
The Kaitlan Collins thing is helping to prove Trump's point that these lefty media types depend on him for viewership and clicks. There's a whole Trump-Outrage industry that stands to go bust once he's out of office.
I think she would have garnered more respect if she said "Ya know, I went home and looked in the mirror and...well, damn! I called Dylan and we had a good laugh about it."
…CNN and the rest have not been driven by economics for a long time. Had economics been the motivator CNN would have been closed or consolidated long ago. They won’t go bust when Trump leaves. There’s so much phoney baloney money floating around to keep their propaganda going they’ll be just fine…
You are right – –AA– – Collins never said she was offended. Jon Stewart characterized Trump’s joke as an insult to Collins. I imagine she did not take it as a compliment. The left realizes that trans women are really men.
This is full clown-nose-off B. S. Collins showed dignity, while Stewart showed disappointed idealism and neither mentioned the WH correspondents' insane aggression and grandstanding in Trump 45 or their abject compliance and incuriosity during Biden 0. The whole interview has the faint aroma of performing seals.
She's pretty good in the interview, at least she understands she's not their to be a prima donna and react to Trump but to ask Gotcha questions and please her producer who's pulling her strings.
"There's a whole Trump-Outrage industry that stands to go bust once he's out of office."
It’s the Outrage Industry. Trump just happens to be the current scapegoat/target. In my short lifetime I’ve watched it go from Nixon-Outrage to Reagan-Outrage to Bush-Outrage to Palin-Outrage and now Trump. Though Trump is the most outrageous, and I mean that as a compliment, the Industry will go on. Maybe it will take a break for a President Harris or a President Rubio, just to catch its breath, but it will continue with or without DJT. President Brandon Gill might be the next target for the Industry. He seems to have the right stuff.
That is exactly the reason why they are hurting the economy, as well as reciprocal tariffs on US companies.
FOX News: KILMEADE: Are you worried the tariffs you put forward over the last couple days will hurt the economy?
TRUMP: No, because it's bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars
I love the continued fallacy that “countries will pay”. Trump has never understood how tariffs work. It’s highly unlikely that his dementia addled brain will understand them now.
'This can't be America'. Locking down the entire population over a fake disease, to win an election by destroying the economy? That's totally 'America'. Trannie showing his tits on the White House lawn, and a nuclear waste expert that dresses like a lady of the night, and steals luggage at airports, for the outfits? Totally America. Billions in funding siphoned over to phoney 'environmental' companies in the last 4 weeks of an administration? Autopen pardons by the thousands? Totally 'America'. Got it, John. You're totally 'America' too, aren't you? Authentic.
althouse said..."She doesn't lavish smiling on people because she's not about deploying feminine wiles and flirting her way into journalistic discoveries. She's serious and professional."
So you can be a left wing, lying propaganda mouthpiece for CNN and still be considered "serious and professional."
Collins never interviewed Biden one-on-one, but he did "snap at her" over a question asked at a press conference in Geneva. The question was an inoffensive, “Why are you so confident [Putin] will change his behavior, Mr. President?” and the reaction had more to do with Biden's own snappishness.
I’m trying to get the Republican messaging for the midterms straight.
How about this: Whatever the Democrats can find to bitch about, it'll be ten times worse under Democrat rule. Just image President Kamala right after Biden. Where would country be right now? Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Collins is likely filling her journal with line items about she is above it all and everyone appreciates that and keeps asking her for an interview. She’s feeling the love and needs to write it down for her memoir in time. That’s what all journalists with integrity do, isn’t it?
Collins was happy to shill right wing talking points when she worked for Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller from 2014-2017. She joined CNN and became a left wing propagandist. She sells herself, and opinions that come out of her mouth to her to the political leanings of her employer.
She can sell her soul to the highest bidder, but as long as she doesn't "deploy her feminine wiles and flirt her way into journalistic discoveries" she is serious and professional.
People flirt in various ways. It depends on the target. In her way, Collins flirts with Trump. She knows her unflappability gets his attention. It’s not rocket science. He should ignore her.
The relationship between Trump and the leftmedia is artificial. They are trying to destroy him. He is trying to discredit them. This follows four years of them propping up Joe Dementia by ignoring his demeanor and “his” destructive policies. Without media bias Democrats would be toast. Collins is one of many of Lewis Carrol’s Red Queens creating an alternate, opposite “Trumpworld.”
As long as Collins is willing to work for CNN, a propaganda organization claiming the lie of journalistic neutrality, she is nothing more than a propagandist herself.
Collins is a lie. So is Dylan Mulvaney. That is where they intersect. There is nothing real about either of them.
"It’s the Outrage Industry. Trump just happens to be the current scapegoat/target. In my short lifetime I’ve watched it go from Nixon-Outrage to Reagan-Outrage to Bush-Outrage to Palin-Outrage and now Trump. Though Trump is the most outrageous, and I mean that as a compliment, the Industry will go on."
Sure, but no. Trump is different. In magnitudes. It's outrage of anything he does. For things that don't even matter. Daily.
"Collins has some standoffishness to her. She's a bit like Althouse herself, to a degree, in that regard. (See About Althouse.)"
There's an old characterization - rightly - that defines one of the overarching attributes of the female archetype as *women always want to be seen as nice*. Perhaps Collins accomplishes that here, but seldom anywhere else.
Meade said... "There's a whole Trump-Outrage industry that stands to go bust once he's out of office."
It’s the Outrage Industry. Trump just happens to be the current scapegoat/target. In my short lifetime I’ve watched it go from Nixon-Outrage to Reagan-Outrage to Bush-Outrage to Palin-Outrage and now Trump. Though Trump is the most outrageous, and I mean that as a compliment, the Industry will go on. Maybe it will take a break for a President Harris or a President Rubio, just to catch its breath, but it will continue with or without DJT. President Brandon Gill might be the next target for the Industry. He seems to have the right stuff."
Difference is, in the past it was normal and acceptable to dislike a politician. Now, it is acceptable to cancel friendships, doxx people, physically attack people, vandalize property because someone doesn't hate Trump and may agree with some of his views, and especially, vote for him.
Don't forget, it started with Hillary's defeat. That is where the hate began. Plenty of vids of Clinton supporters literally weeping when she lost, including media and entertainment. Have yet to see anyone cry over Trump's loss to Biden.
Howard said... "Cucks easily triggered by any pushback to bwana, especially from a stoical woman."
That's complete bullshit. Same can be said about Jake Tapper and David Muir. She is not different. You can throw Jon Stewart in there along with Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert. They all engage in the same left wing media propaganda circle jerk.
Collins was treated like a queen when she was on Stephen Colbert. That guy was ALL propaganda, and she was more than willing to participate.
I'm not buying this serious journalist bullshit being pushed on this thread today.
In my short lifetime I’ve watched it go from Nixon-Outrage to Reagan-Outrage to Bush-Outrage to Palin-Outrage and now Trump.
Even when you are kind of right, you are still a derpy. Funny how you remember no outrage during the Clinton administration. No outrage about Barack Obama? For fuck's sake, Meade, you are a tool.
I dont think our retarded ass narcissist of a president understands that these all these pissing matches with corporate media personalitirs HELPS them more than it hurts them. Sheesh. There's no hope for him at all in that way.
Trump consistently gets over 90% negative reporting by most networks. Did any of those Democrats even get 50%? Of course not. Thinking they are somehow comparable is a sure sign you can't think about the subject clearly.
You mean, like, outrage about Clinton getting BJ's in the Oval Office and lying about it in a press conference, DD? I remember that. I don't remember much outrage BY THE MEDIA directed at the president during the Obama administration. About anything having to do with Obama. Maybe you can refresh my recollection.
"She doesn't lavish smiling on people because she's not about deploying feminine wiles and flirting her way into journalistic discoveries."
Is that why people smile? She doesn't smile because she thinks not smiling makes her look serious and professional, and I guess it works on some, but it's a technique, a tactic, not some kind of virtue. It's also a sign that she is not confident enough to be herself and risk any vulnerability. The style is ubiquitous among ambitious talking heads.
imagine if Collins, or any woman, got the kind of brutal roasting thrown at Trump in past dinners. The whole country would be in therapy. I didn't find his comments funny, which is the fair criticism, but they were very mild insults by recent historical standards.
Except for the Mulvaney comment, Trump could have said the same about most other "journalists". I bet Mulvaney was thrilled to get the shoutout. The President of the United States using you likeness as an insult for a worldwide audience. You have arrived, girl!
She has an almost perfect Resting Bitch Face, and it's fortified by her nose, which is slightly hooked and gives her a pissed-off aspect when she carefully keeps her expression blank. And you can see that she knows what its effect is.
It's interesting that she says that her questions are designed to serve all audiences, while conservatives see those questions as being in service to a media system that they have come to believe is so thoroughly biased, it is incapable allowing itself to be even-handed, even accidentally.
I don't watch TV so I've never seen a full interview with her. The examples I've seen would tend to confirm the fundamental unfairness of CNNs approach. For me, it's highly biased.
Now the event: The history of the WHCD, as I recall, is to offer a venue in the format of a gentle roast, where the correspondents and politicians let their hair down and tease one another, but the whole point is that it is done in a lighthearted way, for fun, to show the humanity outside of politics.
Except, when it's Trump. Then it's portrayed as either a circus or a slaughterhouse, depending on the lie that is being communicated. Or a Stewart implies, Trump bombed and it was a morgue. So you see, it's always different when it's Trump, yet again. And it's Trump's fault that he treats the media with contempt instead of answering their biased gotchas politely and becoming appropriately defensive.
Trump says something that is deemed "bad". Suddenly other parts of the Media are cranked up to make the reverb echoes particularly strong. I suspect this effort is being made now because the resemblance is there. But maybe we shouldn't trust our own eyes.
The Trump drama is classic farce. No deep storytelling. A chain of absurd situations and messy events. Absurd involves a mix of the ridiculous, of created events lacking logic, malfeasance overriding justice, and the upending of scenes by unintended consequences. The deep irony is that the characters on the stage think they're smarter than the spectators in the seats. They don't get the historical joke.
The applicability of Greek dramatic forms to human affairs has proven uncanny. This is indeed the way we as people actually work with power and wealth.
The American people own the present events. The disappointment of the sons and daughters with the fathers and mothers is going to be profound.
Several decades ago I had a pretty mean and nasty disposition. I would throw back insults at anyone who questioned anything I did or said. Kind of like Trump. Then a good friend gave me one of the best pieces of advice I have ever received. You can't control what people say to you or about you, but you can control how you react to it. I don't mean to be over dramatic about it, but this was a life-changing moment for me once it really sunk in. Collins understands this, maybe because she is from Alabama.
Of course it’s real. The Biden administration made it perfectly clear that there are precisely three alternatives: (1) Trump; (2) accept a world ruled by lefty extremists, which ain’t happening; and (3) killing all the lefties in a new civil war. Stewart ma. Of like option (1), but at least he’s alive.
First off, I wish I wrote the Kaitlan Collins joke. It was funny as hell. Ms. Collins and Mr. Mulvaney are practically doppelgangers! To me, it was a high status individual brought low. And that means it's funny. I guess for the liberals, the President was punching down and this is bullying (not funny).
“This follows four years of them propping up Joe Dementia by ignoring his demeanor and “his” destructive policies. Without media bias Democrats would be toast.”
…Hell, the host here was claiming Biden was fine- “did what he needed to do” weeks before they pulled his plug for Kamala. Propaganda works on some people…
…here’s the thing I get from this- they both expect Trump to play by their rules- the same asymmetric rules they’ve used to discredit every Republican and prop up every Democrat…and when Trump doesn’t, they’re frustrated. You think Trump’s appeal is harmed one iota because he refuses to engage with the propagandists and insults them instead? Nope…
…every election cycle the propaganda media needs to build a few propagandists up as serious news people who will then, when the time is right, will besmirch themselves by proclaiming Republican X simply cannot be elected or it will end humanity forever. CNN had burned all semblance of credibility just a few short months ago- even the left was saying it. Now look at them and what they’ve created, ready to burn again…
The Trump drama is classic farce. No deep storytelling. A chain of absurd situations and messy events.
Remember that this person voted for Joe Biden and pretended Biden was mentally competent. And gas prices and inflation are still lower than when Joe Biden was president.
But this retard can't figure out why nobody takes him seriously when he attacks Trump.
Democrats are just mad because the 3 attempts on Trump's life were unsuccessful. When Reagan got shot they were just as pissed when he lived through it. Every Republican President has been called Hitler, or a Nazi by Democrats. The DemMedia are mostly responsible for most of the unrest, hate, and animosity directed towards Republicans that stand their ground. Caitlan Collins is part of the propaganda machine. She's manipulative and knows the buzzwords that make her seem intelligent. Trump's lame joke must have hit a nerve.
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Get over it witch.
Nobody watches your stupid, lying, shilling show. Nobody trusts you.
If transwomen are really women, why is she offended?
RBF… whadda puss!!!
American is great. Collins is so-so.
“ Collins is great in this interview.”
Hard to argue with that. As a reporter her emotional detachment has always been impressive. She’s far better than Jake Tapper, Dana Bash, et al.
I thought Collins conducted herself with dignity here. She really didn't rise to the bait(s). She didn't take the opportunity she might have done. And I thought her explanation of her attitude was solid, what you'd actually want. So color me pleasantly surprised.
I also thought it was funny the way she handled it when Stewart went after the smiling thing. She got the better of him in that exchange. Perhaps I am wrong, but I got the sense that the audience thought it was funny, too.
Meade: I agree with your comment. She doesn't seem to be going with the faux outrage/faux surprise thing, and at least here, I'm not seeing self-righteousness.
She's smart, and has the patience of Job.
“Get over it witch.
Nobody watches your stupid, lying, shilling show. Nobody trusts you.”
Begley is almost as stupid as Trump.
It’s reassuring the people who say this stuff or find it interesting are not in power and don’t seem to be regaining power any time soon…
…it’s the kind of crap you want to hear when horrible leaders have been replaced…
Begley is 100% correct, nobody watches CNN.
(As opposed to McConnell, Inga resurfaces)
It’s so difficult to write coherently about a President who makes no sense.
Personal Grift is Trump’s single policy -- foreign and domestic. Everything else is just noise.
…one could imagine Maduro or the Ceaușescus talked like this but that elevates these clowns a bit too much. They’re more like Hillary Clinton or Jon Lovitz as Michael Dukakis- ‘I can’t believe I’m losing to this guy!’….I suppose it’s inevitable because there’s an election so hope returns. I hope they remain defeated…
Stewart suggested she smile more.
What struck me most about this "casual" interview was how much she looks like Dylan Mulvany when she smiles. What we usually see is that smirk shown in that poster frame for the video with Stewart.
And yes, why is pointing out that resemblance to Mulvany so insulting?
"If transwomen are really women, why is she offended?"
Did she say she was offended?
Also, the trans aspect of the Trump's insult was never mentioned.
My observation is that Dylan Mulvaney is much more effeminate than Kaitlan Collins, who is very attractively mannish in a way that doesn't seem like an act and doesn't make anyone think she's not a woman. That's a very good role model for young women who might entertain the notion that they are transmen and in need of medical treatments.
…what good is giving good interview if your fundamentals are fatally flawed?
I think this conflates two different things: gender expression and gender identity. A woman can be traditionally feminine, masculine, or anywhere in between without that saying anything about whether she’s transgender. Likewise, someone who is transgender isn’t simply reacting to stereotypes about masculinity or femininity.
I agree it’s important for young people to see that women don’t have to fit narrow gender norms. But that doesn’t mean everyone questioning their gender is just a masculine woman or an effeminate man. Those are different experiences, and reducing them to appearances oversimplifies a complex issue.
"What struck me most about this "casual" interview was how much she looks like Dylan Mulvany when she smiles."
Trump made a big thing out of how Collins never smiles. That's an overstatement. She doesn't lavish smiling on people because she's not about deploying feminine wiles and flirting her way into journalistic discoveries. She's serious and professional. That's the style exemplified by Greta Garbo long ago.
Dylan Mulvaney has chosen to present to the world a face that is continually smiling as broadly as possible. It's a throwback to Mary Tyler Moore and Marlo Thomas, who were, in their TV roles, smiling out of desperation most of the time. The standard idea is that transwomen are seeking to feel comfort within their own body. So why the desperate oversmiling? It may be feminine, in that it is associated with women, but the role of women in this world is not best accomplished by highly nervous women who are constantly aiming to please and acting fakely delighted. Maybe when they are 17 or so, but Mulvaney is nearly 30.
Did she say she was offended?
No. The whole Stewart-Collins schtick at the start of the interview was to avoid actual mention that she looked more and more like Mulvany the more she smiled silently at the allusion rather than her usual smirk.
Shrodinger's America
It was great yesterday and will be tomorrow (after Trump, natcha) but never today.
**Ann Althouse said...My observation is that Dylan Mulvaney is much more effeminate than Kaitlan Collins, who is very attractively mannish in a way that doesn't seem like an act and doesn't make anyone think she's not a woman. **
This is the crux of the whole trans issue, isn't it. Collins is more mannish than Mulvaney but no one would mistake her for a man any more than they would mistake him for a woman. The male/female is about more than mere presentation and all the acting otherwise won't change a thing.
Mr. Liebowitz took his clown nose off for this one. Why so serious, Mr. Serious?
"She was not directly asked **the** question that she should have been asked--what did she think of Trump's remark. This is why it was not a good interview, much less great."
I said *she* was great. She was not the interviewer. She handled her side of something that she did not control. There's a lot to learn in observing how she relates to Jon Stewart. Again, she was *great.*
"Did she say she was offended?"
She was not directly asked **the** question that she should have been asked--what did she think of Trump's remark. This is why it was not a good interview, much less great.
She did indicate she is used to Trump's insults, so I take that mean she considers his remark an insult.
Whole lot of disenginuity going on here.
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
I think .......................
If only.
A.I.: Kaitlan Collins management team consist of 1 agent and 2 publicists.
The whole set-up of the interview was to present her as above-the-fray. Stewart provided the indignation which is the title of this post...
"There are times when I watch him, and I think to myself, this can't be real. Like, this can't be America. America. You've heard of us. We're great...."
Yesterday Ann mentioned how the "peaceful demonstrators" have taken over roads and blocked traffic. that's not new it's happened in every year that the "progressive left" want to show how powerful they are and how the police will not stop it. That two media types can tell all about the horrible WORDS spoken by Pres. Trump has made them FEEL - gee do you have any idea about the feelings of folks who could not visit family in nursing homes in 2020 or folks who watched the sniper massacre of 5 Dallas police during a BLM Peaceful march?
We think the same thing when Progressive activists pretend to be Journalists and lie to us all the time.
The leftwing media prefer puppets and democrats who waste trillions.
She pretends to be calm, dignified, and above the fray. It's a good act, but it's an act.. I'd find her more credible if she expressed some annoyance or hostility. Trump certainly does. I don't always admire the way Trump expresses it, but I don't doubt his sincerity...........Does anyone remember her asking hard hitting questions to Biden or his spokeswoman? Has she ever expressed regret about the prominence she has given fraudulent stories about Trump?......I suppose the fact that Trump gone after her, will give her career a boost. She's not as obnoxious as Acosta or Olbermann so that's a plus. Still, she does have a striking resemblance to Dylan Mulvaney and that joke will stick.
How dare Trump be trump.
William … exactly
"She did indicate she is used to Trump's insults, so I take that mean she considers his remark an insult."
If you insult me and I recognize that you are insulting me, that does not mean I accept the premise of the insult. She's saying he does this kind of trash talk all the time, and she stayed above it, not analyzing the substance of it.
Begley and Trump in the same sentence is high praise for both of them. Keep on keeping on.
"Does anyone remember her asking hard hitting questions to Biden..."
I don't think Biden ever sat down for a real interview. She was never chosen. I don't think you can find her asking softball questions.
Collins has some standoffishness to her. She's a bit like Althouse herself, to a degree, in that regard. (See About Althouse.)
Most girls who try to transition to boys seem to be trying to escape the sexual attention of men. A less extreme choice is to is to get a bunch of body piercings, chop the hair off and dye it green, etc. Anything to become ugly and thereby escape the male gaze.
By contrast, most men who transition are trying to become sexually attractive to men, including themselves.
I thought she did a good job, but then John Stewart could hardly have made it easier for her. As noted above by Wince, the interview of her was set up to contrast her as dignified against an undignified Trump. Why not ask her why her employer isn’t interested in Chinese interference with elections the way they were with Russia? Or why her employer isn’t curious about Dr. Fauci’s contradictions? Is it still dignified to be above the fray, when you’re hiding behind what you are doing in the fray? I don’t agree.
"Separated at Birth" jokes have long been a staple of comedy, particularly political comedy. Especially regarding persons of opposite gender. Isn't it something Stewart has been using on a regular basis for a very long time?
I know that Craig Ferguson used to have a running gag where they put up pictures of Angela Lansbury whenever Paul McCartney was the subject, and vice versa. But he was never very politically correct. (Ha!)
I don't think that most of Trump's jokes were very good or effective, and I don't think Trump really cared, but the idea that this was some sort of "vicious attack on a respected professional and uncalled for in our polite society" is complete hogwash. It was a joke!
She doesn’t want her reaction to be the story. Is that so? Then why is she doing this interview?
The Kaitlan Collins thing is helping to prove Trump's point that these lefty media types depend on him for viewership and clicks. There's a whole Trump-Outrage industry that stands to go bust once he's out of office.
I think she would have garnered more respect if she said "Ya know, I went home and looked in the mirror and...well, damn! I called Dylan and we had a good laugh about it."
"There's a whole Trump-Outrage industry that stands to go bust once he's out of office."
I’m trying to get the Republican messaging for the midterms straight. Is it:
The economy sucks but it’s Biden’s fault and Trump’s tariffs and war has nothing to do with any of it.
OR
The economy is great, we’re the hottest country in the world, and Trump deserves all the credit.
…CNN and the rest have not been driven by economics for a long time. Had economics been the motivator CNN would have been closed or consolidated long ago. They won’t go bust when Trump leaves. There’s so much phoney baloney money floating around to keep their propaganda going they’ll be just fine…
You are right – –AA– – Collins never said she was offended. Jon Stewart characterized Trump’s joke as an insult to Collins. I imagine she did not take it as a compliment. The left realizes that trans women are really men.
This is full clown-nose-off B. S. Collins showed dignity, while Stewart showed disappointed idealism and neither mentioned the WH correspondents' insane aggression and grandstanding in Trump 45 or their abject compliance and incuriosity during Biden 0. The whole interview has the faint aroma of performing seals.
“The economy is great, we’re the hottest country in the world, and Trump deserves all the credit.“
There you go, you got it on 2. See? You’re smart, not like some people say.
She's pretty good in the interview, at least she understands she's not their to be a prima donna and react to Trump but to ask Gotcha questions and please her producer who's pulling her strings.
I always love how smug and self-rightous John Stewart is. If you could distill him down to a liquid you'd have the essence of mid-wittery.
"There's a whole Trump-Outrage industry that stands to go bust once he's out of office."
It’s the Outrage Industry. Trump just happens to be the current scapegoat/target. In my short lifetime I’ve watched it go from Nixon-Outrage to Reagan-Outrage to Bush-Outrage to Palin-Outrage and now Trump. Though Trump is the most outrageous, and I mean that as a compliment, the Industry will go on. Maybe it will take a break for a President Harris or a President Rubio, just to catch its breath, but it will continue with or without DJT. President Brandon Gill might be the next target for the Industry. He seems to have the right stuff.
That is exactly the reason why they are hurting the economy, as well as reciprocal tariffs on US companies.
FOX News:
KILMEADE: Are you worried the tariffs you put forward over the last couple days will hurt the economy?
TRUMP: No, because it's bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars
I love the continued fallacy that “countries will pay”. Trump has never understood how tariffs work. It’s highly unlikely that his dementia addled brain will understand them now.
“It’s the Outrage Industry. Trump just happens to be the current scapegoat/target”
Succinct. Precise…
Are you sure that isn't Dylan Mulvaney?
'This can't be America'. Locking down the entire population over a fake disease, to win an election by destroying the economy? That's totally 'America'. Trannie showing his tits on the White House lawn, and a nuclear waste expert that dresses like a lady of the night, and steals luggage at airports, for the outfits? Totally America. Billions in funding siphoned over to phoney 'environmental' companies in the last 4 weeks of an administration? Autopen pardons by the thousands? Totally 'America'. Got it, John. You're totally 'America' too, aren't you? Authentic.
althouse said..."She doesn't lavish smiling on people because she's not about deploying feminine wiles and flirting her way into journalistic discoveries. She's serious and professional."
So you can be a left wing, lying propaganda mouthpiece for CNN and still be considered "serious and professional."
Collins never interviewed Biden one-on-one, but he did "snap at her" over a question asked at a press conference in Geneva. The question was an inoffensive, “Why are you so confident [Putin] will change his behavior, Mr. President?” and the reaction had more to do with Biden's own snappishness.
I’m trying to get the Republican messaging for the midterms straight.
How about this: Whatever the Democrats can find to bitch about, it'll be ten times worse under Democrat rule. Just image President Kamala right after Biden. Where would country be right now? Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Collins is likely filling her journal with line items about she is above it all and everyone appreciates that and keeps asking her for an interview. She’s feeling the love and needs to write it down for her memoir in time. That’s what all journalists with integrity do, isn’t it?
If someone accuses you of something, it's best not to take umbrage and go on about it. Just let it die.
Besides, as Woody Allen said about bisexuality, the great thing about sexual ambiguity is that it doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night.
Collins was happy to shill right wing talking points when she worked for Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller from 2014-2017. She joined CNN and became a left wing propagandist. She sells herself, and opinions that come out of her mouth to her to the political leanings of her employer.
She can sell her soul to the highest bidder, but as long as she doesn't "deploy her feminine wiles and flirt her way into journalistic discoveries" she is serious and professional.
People flirt in various ways. It depends on the target. In her way, Collins flirts with Trump. She knows her unflappability gets his attention. It’s not rocket science. He should ignore her.
The relationship between Trump and the leftmedia is artificial. They are trying to destroy him. He is trying to discredit them. This follows four years of them propping up Joe Dementia by ignoring his demeanor and “his” destructive policies. Without media bias Democrats would be toast. Collins is one of many of Lewis Carrol’s Red Queens creating an alternate, opposite “Trumpworld.”
“Lewis Carroll,” dammit!
As long as Collins is willing to work for CNN, a propaganda organization claiming the lie of journalistic neutrality, she is nothing more than a propagandist herself.
Collins is a lie. So is Dylan Mulvaney. That is where they intersect. There is nothing real about either of them.
"It’s the Outrage Industry. Trump just happens to be the current scapegoat/target. In my short lifetime I’ve watched it go from Nixon-Outrage to Reagan-Outrage to Bush-Outrage to Palin-Outrage and now Trump. Though Trump is the most outrageous, and I mean that as a compliment, the Industry will go on."
Sure, but no. Trump is different. In magnitudes. It's outrage of anything he does. For things that don't even matter. Daily.
"Collins has some standoffishness to her. She's a bit like Althouse herself, to a degree, in that regard. (See About Althouse.)"
There's an old characterization - rightly - that defines one of the overarching attributes of the female archetype as *women always want to be seen as nice*. Perhaps Collins accomplishes that here, but seldom anywhere else.
Breezy nails it. She is a journalist - what is she doing on a comedy show?! Our hostess is not on her toes here.
Shout out to Two eyed Jack for the Rodgers and Hart reference to "I wish I were in love again"
"When love congeals
It soon reveals
The faint aroma of performing seals
The double-crossing of a pair of heels
I wish I were in love again"
Bravo!
Meade said...
"There's a whole Trump-Outrage industry that stands to go bust once he's out of office."
It’s the Outrage Industry. Trump just happens to be the current scapegoat/target. In my short lifetime I’ve watched it go from Nixon-Outrage to Reagan-Outrage to Bush-Outrage to Palin-Outrage and now Trump. Though Trump is the most outrageous, and I mean that as a compliment, the Industry will go on. Maybe it will take a break for a President Harris or a President Rubio, just to catch its breath, but it will continue with or without DJT. President Brandon Gill might be the next target for the Industry. He seems to have the right stuff."
Difference is, in the past it was normal and acceptable to dislike a politician. Now, it is acceptable to cancel friendships, doxx people, physically attack people, vandalize property because someone doesn't hate Trump and may agree with some of his views, and especially, vote for him.
Don't forget, it started with Hillary's defeat. That is where the hate began. Plenty of vids of Clinton supporters literally weeping when she lost, including media and entertainment. Have yet to see anyone cry over Trump's loss to Biden.
Cucks easily triggered by any pushback to bwana, especially from a stoical woman.
Howard said...
"Cucks easily triggered by any pushback to bwana, especially from a stoical woman."
That's complete bullshit. Same can be said about Jake Tapper and David Muir. She is not different. You can throw Jon Stewart in there along with Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert. They all engage in the same left wing media propaganda circle jerk.
Collins was treated like a queen when she was on Stephen Colbert. That guy was ALL propaganda, and she was more than willing to participate.
I'm not buying this serious journalist bullshit being pushed on this thread today.
In my short lifetime I’ve watched it go from Nixon-Outrage to Reagan-Outrage to Bush-Outrage to Palin-Outrage and now Trump.
Even when you are kind of right, you are still a derpy. Funny how you remember no outrage during the Clinton administration. No outrage about Barack Obama? For fuck's sake, Meade, you are a tool.
I dont think our retarded ass narcissist of a president understands that these all these pissing matches with corporate media personalitirs HELPS them more than it hurts them. Sheesh. There's no hope for him at all in that way.
Trump consistently gets over 90% negative reporting by most networks. Did any of those Democrats even get 50%? Of course not. Thinking they are somehow comparable is a sure sign you can't think about the subject clearly.
You mean, like, outrage about Clinton getting BJ's in the Oval Office and lying about it in a press conference, DD? I remember that.
I don't remember much outrage BY THE MEDIA directed at the president during the Obama administration. About anything having to do with Obama. Maybe you can refresh my recollection.
Jon Stewart is still channeling the outrage of the Virginia plantation class when Andrew Jackson became president.
How dare you question the Great and Powerful Orange?
"She doesn't lavish smiling on people because she's not about deploying feminine wiles and flirting her way into journalistic discoveries."
Is that why people smile? She doesn't smile because she thinks not smiling makes her look serious and professional, and I guess it works on some, but it's a technique, a tactic, not some kind of virtue. It's also a sign that she is not confident enough to be herself and risk any vulnerability. The style is ubiquitous among ambitious talking heads.
imagine if Collins, or any woman, got the kind of brutal roasting thrown at Trump in past dinners. The whole country would be in therapy. I didn't find his comments funny, which is the fair criticism, but they were very mild insults by recent historical standards.
Except for the Mulvaney comment, Trump could have said the same about most other "journalists".
I bet Mulvaney was thrilled to get the shoutout. The President of the United States using you likeness as an insult for a worldwide audience. You have arrived, girl!
Insults are always descending on democrats but they always land in republicans. And dammit, she DOES look trans!
So Trump's male gaze rested on Collins and Mulvaney ....
Which one gave him boner?
She has an almost perfect Resting Bitch Face, and it's fortified by her nose, which is slightly hooked and gives her a pissed-off aspect when she carefully keeps her expression blank. And you can see that she knows what its effect is.
It's interesting that she says that her questions are designed to serve all audiences, while conservatives see those questions as being in service to a media system that they have come to believe is so thoroughly biased, it is incapable allowing itself to be even-handed, even accidentally.
I don't watch TV so I've never seen a full interview with her. The examples I've seen would tend to confirm the fundamental unfairness of CNNs approach. For me, it's highly biased.
Now the event: The history of the WHCD, as I recall, is to offer a venue in the format of a gentle roast, where the correspondents and politicians let their hair down and tease one another, but the whole point is that it is done in a lighthearted way, for fun, to show the humanity outside of politics.
Except, when it's Trump. Then it's portrayed as either a circus or a slaughterhouse, depending on the lie that is being communicated. Or a Stewart implies, Trump bombed and it was a morgue. So you see, it's always different when it's Trump, yet again. And it's Trump's fault that he treats the media with contempt instead of answering their biased gotchas politely and becoming appropriately defensive.
Trump says something that is deemed "bad". Suddenly other parts of the Media are cranked up to make the reverb echoes particularly strong.
I suspect this effort is being made now because the resemblance is there. But maybe we shouldn't trust our own eyes.
“How dare you question the Great and Powerful Orange?”
Is that like questioning your ‘cruel neutrality’?
Am I supposed to know who this person is?
Also, people who are intentionally interfering with your freedom of movement are not "peaceful".
The Trump drama is classic farce. No deep storytelling. A chain of absurd situations and messy events. Absurd involves a mix of the ridiculous, of created events lacking logic, malfeasance overriding justice, and the upending of scenes by unintended consequences. The deep irony is that the characters on the stage think they're smarter than the spectators in the seats. They don't get the historical joke.
The applicability of Greek dramatic forms to human affairs has proven uncanny. This is indeed the way we as people actually work with power and wealth.
The American people own the present events. The disappointment of the sons and daughters with the fathers and mothers is going to be profound.
Pete Hegseth to commission Army-sanctioned cut of The Odyssey, replacing all shots of Lupita Nyong'o with a shirtless Austin Butler.
He’ll also insist on dubbing over all of Odysseus’s monologues with custom Pulp Fiction quotes.
"Stunning and brave."
hanuman_prodigious_leaper said...
So Trump's male gaze rested on Collins and Mulvaney ....
Which one gave him boner?
7/28/26, 2:18 PM
Neither. Have you seen Melania?? If anything, I think Trump would choose Scott Presler over the other two.
*Begley is almost as stupid as Trump.*
Yet, they're both light years ahead of you.
Has anyone ever seen if Igna can float on water?
“How dare you question the Great and Powerful Orange?”
Don’t be an ozhole, Earnie.
Several decades ago I had a pretty mean and nasty disposition. I would throw back insults at anyone who questioned anything I did or said. Kind of like Trump. Then a good friend gave me one of the best pieces of advice I have ever received. You can't control what people say to you or about you, but you can control how you react to it. I don't mean to be over dramatic about it, but this was a life-changing moment for me once it really sunk in. Collins understands this, maybe because she is from Alabama.
“… this can’t be real.”
Of course it’s real. The Biden administration made it perfectly clear that there are precisely three alternatives: (1) Trump; (2) accept a world ruled by lefty extremists, which ain’t happening; and (3) killing all the lefties in a new civil war. Stewart ma. Of like option (1), but at least he’s alive.
First off, I wish I wrote the Kaitlan Collins joke. It was funny as hell. Ms. Collins and Mr. Mulvaney are practically doppelgangers! To me, it was a high status individual brought low. And that means it's funny. I guess for the liberals, the President was punching down and this is bullying (not funny).
“This follows four years of them propping up Joe Dementia by ignoring his demeanor and “his” destructive policies. Without media bias Democrats would be toast.”
…Hell, the host here was claiming Biden was fine- “did what he needed to do” weeks before they pulled his plug for Kamala. Propaganda works on some people…
Trump is making her a media superstar.
…here’s the thing I get from this- they both expect Trump to play by their rules- the same asymmetric rules they’ve used to discredit every Republican and prop up every Democrat…and when Trump doesn’t, they’re frustrated. You think Trump’s appeal is harmed one iota because he refuses to engage with the propagandists and insults them instead? Nope…
Collins plays the long game. So does Trump. Stewart never did. He was too self centered.
Collins is a handsome woman. Smart. She’ll be around awhile.
It’s time to ignore Howard. He has become as tiresome as Rich, RCO and gadfly.
Those WHCD things were so genteel, polite and respectful until Trump ruined it for everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA
Had Trump made a similar joke about Ann Coulter, or any Fox News personality, would anyone in our media complain? Would any of our lefties?
I rest my case.
"What struck me most about this "casual" interview was how much she looks like Dylan Mulvany when she smiles."
Or Nicholas Sandmann.
“Trump is making her a media superstar”
…every election cycle the propaganda media needs to build a few propagandists up as serious news people who will then, when the time is right, will besmirch themselves by proclaiming Republican X simply cannot be elected or it will end humanity forever. CNN had burned all semblance of credibility just a few short months ago- even the left was saying it. Now look at them and what they’ve created, ready to burn again…
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
It’s so difficult to write coherently about a President who makes no sense.
Trump makes sense to people who aren't retards.
Your problem is you are too stupid to understand him.
Watched the whole interview. Ann is correct, Collins was great.
Earnest Prole said...
How dare you question the Great and Powerful Orange?
How dare you question CNN?
Oh sorry you were doing your usual retard take with zero critical thought. Carry on.
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
The Trump drama is classic farce. No deep storytelling. A chain of absurd situations and messy events.
Remember that this person voted for Joe Biden and pretended Biden was mentally competent. And gas prices and inflation are still lower than when Joe Biden was president.
But this retard can't figure out why nobody takes him seriously when he attacks Trump.
That's some powerful shit, Maynard
Howard said...
Cucks easily triggered by any pushback to bwana, especially from a stoical woman.
Poor Howard. Did you get beat up in school today?
Hope you feel better now. Put a bandaid on it and have some candy.
mccullough said...
Collins plays the long game. So does Trump. Stewart never did. He was too self centered.
Collins is a handsome woman. Smart. She’ll be around awhile.
Stewart has embarrassed himself over the last few years.
It takes someone as pathetic as Stewart to make Collins not look like a hack. It is like a 4 feeling hot because they are hanging out with a 2.
Emotional detachment is not equivalent to journalistic impartiality…and maybe she’s just frigid?
Democrats are just mad because the 3 attempts on Trump's life were unsuccessful.
When Reagan got shot they were just as pissed when he lived through it.
Every Republican President has been called Hitler, or a Nazi by Democrats.
The DemMedia are mostly responsible for most of the unrest, hate, and animosity directed towards Republicans that stand their ground.
Caitlan Collins is part of the propaganda machine. She's manipulative and knows the buzzwords that make her seem intelligent. Trump's lame joke must have hit a nerve.
[start virtual italics]…and maybe she’s just frigid?[end virtual italics]
OhmyGod, out of what dusty old closet did that get pulled?
How very 20th century. Takes me back. Sheesh.
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