27 జులై, 2026

"Critics say T.P.S. is a problem because it’s not really temporary. Look at the Salvadorans, they say."

"They first became eligible for T.P.S. in 1990 because of the violent civil war in their country. Another wave came after two devastating earthquakes in 2001. Decades on, there are about 190,000 of them here, living and working legally. (At least for now — their protected status is slated to end in September.)"

From "Protected No More" (NYT gift link).
వీరిచే పోస్ట్ చేయబడింది Ann Althouse వద్ద 7:19 AM
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Dave Begley చెప్పారు...

Why doesn’t Mexico take these people?

27-07-26 7:28 AM
R C Belaire చెప్పారు...

About time, no?

27-07-26 7:28 AM
n.n చెప్పారు...

Emigration reform.

27-07-26 7:29 AM
rcommal చెప్పారు...

So do we want them deported en masse, or do we want to evaluate whether they are productive and law-abiding, or not, on an individual basis? A real question.

27-07-26 7:34 AM
n.n చెప్పారు...

Critical Diversity Theory? Bloc ideologies. Maybe, baby.

27-07-26 7:36 AM
planetgeo చెప్పారు...

A real answer: we want them all deported first and then the productive and law-abiding ones can petition to re-enter legally on an individual basis (and according to rational annual allotments).

27-07-26 7:38 AM
rcommal చెప్పారు...

According to AI: "Salvadorans with Temporary Protected Status (TPS) primarily work in essential, labor-intensive industries. Nationwide, the largest share works in the construction industry (roughly 36,000 workers), followed by building and grounds maintenance (32,000) and transportation (23,000). Other major sectors include food service and child day care services."

Since I didn't research it myself (yet, anyway), I can't personally vouch for these figures, to be very clear. I'd like more details, and I also am interested in the category of caregivers for senior citizens, which this doesn't mention (perhaps because it doesn't apply to this particular group; again, I don't know).

27-07-26 7:41 AM
Jim K చెప్పారు...

Surely some country in Europe will take the Haitians, no?

27-07-26 7:42 AM
rcommal చెప్పారు...

TPS individuals aren't here illegally, so they seem to me to be in a different category than those who illegally entered the country. Does it make sense to first go after the latter, if individuals in the former are gainfully and productively employed? I guess I'm pointing to the question of how to prioritize, and also the issue of trying not to cut off a nose to spite a face.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that these people have any "right" to stay here. "Temporary" is right in the name, and I get that. However, I would like to see us be thoughtful about things, and to prioritize properly. It seems we want to maximize what's beneficial and crack down on what's not. It is very unfortunate, but experience over time does seem to indicate that there are a lot of jobs that regular Americans do not seem to want to do--and yet they still need doing. How do we deal with that?

Again to be clear, I actually do support shutting down our borders and ensuring that they are secure and defended. I do credit the Trump administration for focusing on this aspect. However, there are other issues as well, and I would like to see those addressed in a thoughtful, non-emotional fashion, if possible.

27-07-26 7:53 AM
gilbar చెప్పారు...

tempory is Forever

27-07-26 8:01 AM
RideSpaceMountain చెప్పారు...

"Temporary", "illegal"...."woman", these people have never let the meaning of words get in the way of what they want, and they won't now.

27-07-26 8:04 AM
gilbar చెప్పారు...

"..a lot of jobs that regular Americans do not seem to want to do.."
by which, you MEAN: illegal aliens will do it cheaper

27-07-26 8:07 AM
hoyden చెప్పారు...

TPS was fraudulently named and implemented. The judicial branch perpetrates what the legislature perpetrated.

27-07-26 8:08 AM
planetgeo చెప్పారు...

Import en masse, but only deport individually...means they'll never get deported. And your vote will be permanently replaced. No matter how thoughtful and non-emotional your motives are. THIS is precisely the current Democrat strategy. And it's working.

27-07-26 8:18 AM
Freder Frederson చెప్పారు...

So do we want them deported en masse

Who is we? Trump's position is enthusiastic "yes". It was one of the key promises of his campaign (remember, "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats")

27-07-26 8:19 AM
The Drill SGT చెప్పారు...

In theory, TPS is a program worth having, but to function, it must presume, that it is both temporary, and the folks return from whence they came.

Deport them all, but let them exit gracefully.

Every single one

27-07-26 8:30 AM
tim maguire చెప్పారు...

What's with all the "they say"s? Is it a fact or not that people stay decades despite their status officially being temporary? What does "Temporary mean, if it is to mean anything at all?(Technically, all of us are here temporarily, but "temporary" can't mean "only until they die.")

27-07-26 8:43 AM
rcommal చెప్పారు...

Freder:

In my comment, "we" referred to individual commenters here. I was asking a question of fellow commenters. Sorry if that was unclear.

27-07-26 8:49 AM
tim maguire చెప్పారు...

**rcommal said... I guess I'm pointing to the question of how to prioritize.**

What does that mean? We have been prioritizing felon illegals, while also picking up otherwise law-abiding illegals when the opportunity presents itself. That's not a reason to not bring sense to a TPS system that is falling down on "temporary." It's not either/or.

**rcommal said...According to AI: "Salvadorans with Temporary Protected Status (TPS) primarily work in essential, labor-intensive industries.**

If we need their labor, then create a visa category reflecting why we want them to be able to stay. Don't bastardize an unrelated program because it's bureaucratically easier.

27-07-26 8:54 AM
rcommal చెప్పారు...

Gilbar: The category we're discussing in this thread are not here illegally. Certainly, they were admitted on a temporary basis, and we do have every right to terminate the temporary.

I don't know what to do abut getting American citizens to do certain categories of work. It' seems pretty obvious to say that if we paid American citizens more, they'd take the jobs. I'm not actually convinced that is true. And I think we do need to consider the downsides of whatever policy we adopt.

Have you tried pricing in-home care recently? I have, a couple of years ago, and I spent a lot of time at it. It was overwhelming, and it was not something that my late father and his late wife could possibly afford unless they ran through resources that might later be needed for a nursing home. That was the calculation at the time, and it was a real one. As it turned out, they both died before the resources ran out. But one can't really predict these things.

27-07-26 8:55 AM
Aggie చెప్పారు...

All together now 'About F*ckin' Time'.

I notice that not one single politician is stepping up to put forward a plan to increase the allotment of legal immigration candidates. Hey ! Who can tell us how many people immigrate legally to the US every year? It's about 1 million. I notice that politicians never bring up the questions that people want to actually discuss. But tell us all about trans rights.

27-07-26 8:56 AM
rcommal చెప్పారు...

Tim Maguire: I completely agree with every bit of your final paragraph in your 8:54 comment. That's the thoughtful approach. But we have apparently become completely unable to do something like that. This is unfortunate, and it reflects various types of failures over the decades.

27-07-26 8:59 AM
Birches చెప్పారు...

Women

27-07-26 9:15 AM
RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

The MSM always frames it as "how does this affect immigrants" or "How does this affect people who employ immigrants and illegals?"

Never do they look at immigration from the standpoint of American citizens who are hurt by it. We have 8 billion people in the world, and probably 1 billion would come here if they had a chance.

Liberal/leftists and big businessmen have talked of 1 billion Americans. And the MSM has applauded. Because they will make $$ off it, but 90 percent of American citizens wont.

27-07-26 9:29 AM
RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

You also have leftists and Jewish organizations (ADL is a perfect example) who have an idealogical committment to open borders. They want the USA to have a huge population of people of color and of all religions. that's great for them, but not for everyone else.

27-07-26 9:31 AM
J Scott చెప్పారు...

At the most basic level, Democrat politics is client based. As Americans got richer and didn't need that sort of relationship anymore, Dems had to find new clients. And they did. Temporary people of all sorts. They don't even need to vote, they just need to be the conduit from which funds flow from the state into the Democratic party coffers. This is why they never go "home".

27-07-26 9:31 AM
RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

District judges are still ignoring the SCOTUS ruling and issueing (sic) injunctions against stopping TPS status. Ann coulter wrote the DOJ should just ignore them. I dont know about that. But it is weird how lower courts can ignore the SCOTUS without any blowback.

27-07-26 9:33 AM
William చెప్పారు...

If someone has been in this country upwards of ten or twenty years and has been gainfully employed, I'm in favor of giving them a break........I notice, however, that Haitians don't want to live in Haiti because of the crime and economic collapse there. Those racists are stereotyping Haiti as a shithole. We should be leery of accepting such blatant racists in our country. We should only accept such Haitians as those who think Haiti is a fine place to live. Catch 23.

27-07-26 9:33 AM
ChrisC చెప్పారు...

During Trump 1.0 there was an article in the WSJ on the theme of "jobs Americans won't do" about a special visa program that brought South Americans up to work on fishing boats. After lots of angst and hand wringing from the corporate boat owners, the reporter finally got one to say, "of course we could hire Americans, but it would be expensive and hurt our bottom line"

27-07-26 9:35 AM
Howard చెప్పారు...

More happy News for Maga, basking in the glow of the suffering of others. Another wonderful example of Judeo-Christian ethics. Be warned: the new AI God will take notes and render judgement for your inhumane thots.

27-07-26 9:41 AM
n.n చెప్పారు...

Deport the illegals. Sequester the Learing centers. Keep the temporaries in good standing. Close Planned Parenthood umbrella corporation. Shred the liberal license of Dezis and other left-wing special, peculiar, and queer interests. #HateLovesAbortion

27-07-26 9:49 AM
n.n చెప్పారు...

Equal pay for equal work. Everyone works, whether as taxable labor or not. Emigration reform to mitigate progress and collateral damage at both ends of the bridge and throughout.

27-07-26 10:19 AM
J Scott చెప్పారు...

Same stuff with all the ski resorts and vacation spots. The owners won't pay/can't afford american workers. The 200 dollar lift tickets won't cover the costs apparently.
Or the sob stories from up in Bar Harbor where they have to import workers from South America for the summer cause they can't compete with welfare benefits. Not to mention local workers can't afford to live within reasonable distance from the work sites. There are "structural" problems all around us. Lots of rent seeking out there, and unlimited immigration of low skill, low pay workers is just papering over the problems.

27-07-26 10:23 AM
Rosalyn C. చెప్పారు...

Just a guess, but I would assume that the purpose of the temporary label meant that government could avoid doing serious background checks.
Since the people have been here for quite a while, they’ve sorted themselves out between productive and non-productive and criminal elements.
It certainly would be silly to deport productive people, but I have no problem with deporting the criminal and the nonproductive.

27-07-26 10:53 AM
J Scott చెప్పారు...

You are expecting people to make a *gasp* judgement call on who is productive or not. That will not do.

27-07-26 10:55 AM
Rabel చెప్పారు...

Perhaps, as suggested above, we should evaluate these people based on their performance as members of society and judge them based on the results of that evaluation.

Here's a blueprint of a system already tested and in effect that we could adopt.

I suggest applying it more broadly to make America a better place.

27-07-26 11:29 AM
Lazarus చెప్పారు...


Sanctuary cities were sold to the public as a form of temporary protected status. In the 1980s, liberals argued that we couldn't send Central Americans back to violent, war-torn El Salvador. When that region cooled down, we were told that illegals couldn't report crimes if they were afraid of being deported. Did sanctuary cities really help fight crime? It doesn't matter, we still have them.

27-07-26 11:37 AM
Joe Bar చెప్పారు...

I understand that many with this status have visited their "home" country while seeking sanctuary here. Anyone who does that must be first on the deportation list.

27-07-26 11:53 AM
Joe Bar చెప్పారు...

Rabel - ISWYDT

27-07-26 11:54 AM
tommyesq చెప్పారు...

"Same stuff with all the ski resorts and vacation spots. The owners won't pay/can't afford american workers. The 200 dollar lift tickets won't cover the costs apparently."

Ski areas face some unique labor issues. The season generally runs from December to late March/early April for most resorts, and in many of the locations there is no corresponding labor demand in the non-ski seasons, meaning they generally cannot source the labor locally - people can't afford to not work 2/3rd of the year. It might be possible for a US-based resort worker class to arise where folks move from ski areas in the winter to summer resorts, agriculture, or other fields that go dormant in the winter, but American culture is not well set up for this kinds of migratory seasonal work, with year-long leases and the desire for home ownership.

27-07-26 11:57 AM
Rabel చెప్పారు...

Glad you did, Joe. Lot of broken sarcasm detectors around here.

27-07-26 12:12 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...

"It certainly would be silly to deport productive people, but I have no problem with deporting the criminal and the nonproductive."

What happens when the productive, criminal and nonproductive are members of the same family?

27-07-26 12:18 PM
Known Unknown చెప్పారు...

Deport them, but maybe on a nice cruise ship.

27-07-26 1:12 PM
boatbuilder చెప్పారు...

Looks like the NYT is, as usual, trying to distract from the main issue, which is that our immigration laws have not been enforced--willingly--for a long time, which is why we have tens of millions of people living illegally in our country.
Temporarily protected status lasting decades is an absurdity, perhaps less so than open borders. Unfortunately when you let an absurd situation fester for a long time, you get real problems. Correcting the absurdity is a start.

27-07-26 1:52 PM
mccullough చెప్పారు...

We can let them stay if progressives agree to take their place. Start with Mamdani & AOC. Then Sotomayor, Kagan, and KBJ. Surely they will sacrifice themselves for The Temporary.

If I were Trump, I’d let them stay in return for repealing the TPS and asylum laws.

27-07-26 2:13 PM
Gospace చెప్పారు...

TPS certainly is a program worth having. It's so worth having that Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Chile, Ecuador, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, and all the other stable Central and South American countries have followed suit over the years and welcomed all these refugees into their countries.

Oh, wait. They haven't. No one else has.

Hmmmm...maybe, on second thought it's not a program worth having. Send them back, send them all back. Let them improve their own country.

Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island. The Dominican Republic has a fence to keep Haitians out. Maybe they know something about how good fences - and immigration laws - make good neighbors. And keep bad ones away.

27-07-26 2:30 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...

"Maybe they know something about how good fences - and immigration laws - make good neighbors. And keep bad ones away."

The Left: "How dare you call them shithole countries."
Also The Left: "How dare you insist people should be forced to go back to shithole countries?"

27-07-26 3:16 PM
Aggie చెప్పారు...

A hilarious afternoon on NPR. They did a story today, and managed to transcend self-parody. The story was about ICE and Trump's use of law-enforcement sweeps that have managed to snag quite a few illegal aliens in the process of targeting the really bad criminals.

So NPR begins from a place where being present in the US illegally is no big deal, in fact it's normal and decent people accept it, nay, even endorse it full-throatedly.

Then they proceed with the story. Trump's very successful crime-fighting surge in DC earlier in the year has inspired them to propose it in other cities. And the collateral effect has been to sweep up a lot of illegals in the process of being very effective at fighting crime. Several examples of heart-rending fascist cruelty followed, whereby illegal aliens were caught and the removal process started, as per the law.

Then the capper: NPR actually stated that Trump had declared such programs as being a smashing success - 'without evidence'.

Yes, they said that. The entire story, premised on the idea that the law enforcement surges had been wildly successful at removing illegals, and thus constitute a societal outrage by being too successful, had now reached the point where the statements from the Trump administration needed to be refuted as untrue, by declaring them 'without evidence'.

Having ascended to the journalistic stratosphere with hard-hitting reporting on this crisis, the journalists reached up and dramatically punctured their own balloon, no parachute. While they say that the woke scolds have killed comedy, NPR has made satire obsolete.

27-07-26 3:54 PM
The Middle Coast చెప్పారు...

Open them up for financial sponsorship. If you like your Salvadoran, you can keep your Salvadoran.

27-07-26 4:46 PM
john mosby చెప్పారు...

Mason G: "What happens when the productive, criminal and nonproductive are members of the same family?"

Same thing that happens in a citizen family. The productive members put money in the criminal members' commissary accounts (cheaper on the El Sal economy!), and do what they can to help support the nonproductive ones (also cheaper in the old country).

Probably a lot of productive AmCits would love to have the authorities take away their no-good and layabout relations....CC, JSM

27-07-26 5:18 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...

"Same thing that happens in a citizen family."

Yep. And this is the problem with choosing to allow some illegals (the productive ones) to stay while deporting the criminals. The Insane Left will scream about breaking up families and insist that nobody be removed.

Better to send *all* the illegals home, let them apply for residency if they choose and sort them at that point.

27-07-26 6:14 PM
Achilles చెప్పారు...

Freder Frederson said...

So do we want them deported en masse

Who is we? Trump's position is enthusiastic "yes". It was one of the key promises of his campaign (remember, "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats")

Yes.

We want your imported slaves to be freed and sent back home.

27-07-26 7:17 PM
Lazarus చెప్పారు...

Clips of what Clinton and Obama had to say about illegals years ago are circulating on the internet. Democrats were sane back then. Maybe it's not a surprise that the party has moved so far to the left, but it is surprising that there are no dissenters or outriders.

27-07-26 10:15 PM
Mason G చెప్పారు...

"but it is surprising that there are no dissenters or outriders."

When you consider how socialist progs treat dissenters, it's pretty clear why the non-insane left (if any) would keep their mouths shut.

27-07-26 10:26 PM

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