“Hopefully this will help encourage people to just, you know, socialise more, too, because drive-thrus, you’re just like waiting,” Commissioner Beverly Shotwell told The San Francisco Chronicle. “There’s not a lot of human interaction.”
That's what we need, more lines snaking around indoors. People will get to know each other. We'll chit chat and flourish.
Or everyone will order and pay on their iPhone then park and some person or robot comes out and hands them a bag and they drive off.
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The link goes to a paywall, but I assume it’s an article about Culver City quarreling with In-N-Out over a proposed drive in there. It’s not like there aren’t enough of them in Southern California.
Local area has McDonalds on one side of road, In-and-out a block away on other side. McD with 3 cars in line, I-A-O cars lined up for a block or more.
Would be quicker going inside in and out to get lunch than waiting in that car line.
FullMoon said...
..In-and-out a block away on other side..
I-A-O cars lined up for a block or more.."
Walter Sobchak: Near the In-and-Out Burger...
Donny: Those are good burgers, Walter.
Walter Sobchak: Shut the fuck up, Donny.
Well, that’s a prime function of government: making people behave the way Our Betters know we should.
We used to go to drive in restaurants all the time when i was a kid. I loved that the waitresses would come out and put the tray on your car window. The one I remember the most was A/W Rootbeer.
Of course, I stopped going to Drive throughs and Drive-ins 30 years ago.
While CA infrastructure crumbles, leftist fire-starters are given a pass, reservoirs are empty, incompetent leaders waste money on trains to no-where, restaurants are going under while food trucks get gov subsidies, incompetent money grubbing Democratic leaders use the homeless drug addicts for fraud and votes... etc.
This is their focus?
Hey - follow the nanny-staters in CO and ban ketchup packets too.
"The link goes to a paywall, but I assume it’s an article about Culver City quarreling with In-N-Out over a proposed drive in there."
From the article: "[T]he days of dining on the go may be numbered as cities up and down the Golden State are moving to outlaw new drive-thrus. Napa is considering a sweeping ban that aims to rid it of its reliance on cars. The ban is still in its early stages despite initial proposals dating back to 2021, when the city council denied a drive-thru at a proposed local shopping centre. It is part of the city’s wider, continuing overhaul of its zoning codes...Commissioner Eryn Ebach said there would be carve-outs for businesses like pharmacies and existing drive-thru restaurants. In southern California, Culver City voted last week to temporarily ban new drive-thrus while considering a permanent citywide ban. The standalone city within Los Angeles County extended a 45-day moratorium on any new drive-thrus for another 10.5 months, prompted by mounting public concerns over a proposed In-N-Out Burger...."
Not sure why any business would want to expand in CA(D). Run.
Local McD's has a big lineup of cars. Same with Burger King. And Chick fi la. But people around here are mostly into dining in.
"mounting public concerns over a proposed In-N-Out Burger....""
LOL. Mounting public concerns!
"prompted by mounting public concerns over a proposed In-N-Out Burger"
I love the vague language. Public concerns. Concerns by who exactly.
California is against kings, but a nanny telling you how to order food?
As for the rational, when does Nanny Shotwell go after Door Dash and Uber Eats? Or does she require 5 minute conversations at the drop off door because fuck Covid.
Sonic has old-style drive ins, order from and then eat in your car. It's too bad that their food isn't very good. Culvers has a multi-lane "parking lot" for deliveries to cars, but you aren't meant to stay there.
San Francisco? It's often so dense that drive thrus don't make sense. Even the lower density south and west sides are tight.
It'd be interesting to have an SF restaurant that forced people to drive up an excessively steep hill, and then down the other side. They could name it the Disney Woke Village and charge admission too. Instead of Pirates of the Caribbean, the "ride" sights would be the Golden Gate Bridge, gays in action, the Bay Bridge, junkies in action, Alcratraz, transgendered folks in action, Coit Tower, homeless tents, Chinatown, and poop on the ground.
Stupid is as stupid does.....
A city bitching and moaning about an IN n Out drive thru is gonna get wrecked. They can either put the drive thru in their city and reap the benefits, or they can refuse. In which case In n Out will go down the street to the neighboring city and they will lose any tax benefits and still have to deal with the long lines.
And this BS about "socializing" as the impetus is such garbage. I'm sure they don't like cars, and carbon footprints, and all the rest of the lefty talking points, but they can't say those things, so they have to lie and say its about "socializing".
None of them (including the most vocal critics) will be going inside to socialize. They'll be ordering on their phone and having uber eats deliver to them. Or they'll have their assistant (paid for by the city of course) doing the coffee run or the lunch run.
...and they'll send the assistant to the next town over for the In n Out burgers (of course).
Socializing at In-and-Out 4 days ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R14RNANzC2I
Leland - exactly.
No Kings! But leftist sure adore their nanny-state over-lords micro-managing more and more and more.
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In B-town, the local D-power structure hired a woman to re-arrange portions of the road to incorporate bike-lanes. In some areas, whole sections of road were removed from drivers - and made into bike lanes. NO ONE uses these new bike lanes. No one. And traffic is now extra congested in those areas.
Thanks nanny staters! good job. How much of our tax dollars were used to pay this women?? (who is now gone)
B-town has wonderful bike paths - and they DO get used.
The new street bike lanes? nothing. no one. It's a joke.
"I love the vague language. Public concerns. Concerns by who exactly."
Concerns from existing fast food owners.
One certain thing is that the stated aim of the law is not what it’s actually supposed to effect.
The last time I saw socializing inside a fast food joint chairs were flying.
The Left loves to control people's behavior. That's how we got low-flow toilets that don't work.
Leave us alone!
I predict a rise in videotaped wild fistfights inside fast food restaurants.
Will this apply to home food deliveries for the better-off? Of course not.
Banning drive-thru restaurants because it's nice when people talk to each other...how perfectly Californian.
"“Hopefully this will help encourage people to just, you know, socialise more, too, because drive-thrus, you’re just like waiting,” Commissioner Beverly Shotwell told The San Francisco Chronicle."
Another petty tyrant.
They really need to be their own country. I'd suggest a wall around them that they'd pay for, but judging by their previous stewardship of other unnamed mega-projects, I think we know how that'll turn out...
In-N-Out Burger was famous for only being a drive thru burger joint when they first started in 1948 and they didn't open their first dine in location until 1979. To this day, they always have long lines of cars at their locations. (Except at the Placentia location because the city didn't allow drive thrus when it was built.)
As a general rule, people don't interact at fast food places. That's one of the reasons it's called, fast food. I was at a McDonalds once and a woman near me was staring at me. Finally, she blurted out, "Are you married?" Look at the time, gotta go....
One thing that I have noticed is how massive the "door dash" type industry has become in my area. Every fast food restaurant now has a space at the counter specifically for door dash pickups and the fast food restaurants are, pretty much, devoid of sitting customers. (All the Pizza Huts here actually got rid of their customer seating and do pickups only.)
Personally I don't do Door Dash stuff. My roommates do it all the time, but the food isn't as hot and fresh and they almost always forget to include something or just get the order wrong.
People just need to be re-educated more about how this is so so very good for them.
**RideSpaceMountain said...They really need to be their own country**
Absolutely not. California is one of the most beautiful places on earth blessed with extraordinary resources of every sort. Not one inch to those fascist demons.
California will be just fine once again after the great earthquake hits the San Andreas fault somewhere near Fort Tejon and destroys half of the infrastructure in the Southern California.
The inches you refer to were taken decades ago. They've fraudulently graduated to taking light years. In the spirit of compromise, I agree...not one more parsec to those fascist demons.
I would have suggested that California REQUIRE only drive-ins (and no sit-downs) at Waffle Houses, but that chain has no restaurants in CA.
So the Californicators are going to inflict a huge change in people’s dining habits over a “hopefully”? Prepare for the Las of Unintended Consequences.
"People will get to know each other. We'll chit chat and flourish."
And when you say the wrong thing, someone will stab you.
"Memories are made of this,"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61PPJmhS8L4
Did someone mention curb service, where "waitresses would come out and put the tray on your car window"? I could get that right in town if it didn't seem silly to drive to a place that's walking distance: Wright's Dairy-Rite. The late Terry Teachout was glad to eat there when he was in town to see some Shakespeare at the Blackfriars Playhouse ~10 years ago.
What the f**k makes the government thinks they should dictate where we eat, or who/how we socialize with people? This is probably an attempt to force people back into restaurants that California's ridiculously high minimum wage increase effectively killed.
It has been my lifetime observation that when people go to "sit-down" restaurants they generally socialize with the people who accompany them to the restaurant and sit at the same table. If you are looking to socialize with strangers, you go to a bar. But if it makes Beverly Shotwell feel good about herself, far be it from me to criticize...
This is not a legitimate function of government. Politicians who propose things like this should be dragged into the streets by angry mobs and whipped.
““Hopefully this will help encourage people to just, you know, socialise more, too, because drive-thrus, you’re just like waiting,” Commissioner Beverly Shotwell told The San Francisco Chronicle.”
The nanny state is evolving into the Nurse Ratched state.
In this new, more sociable version of California everyone will chit chat and flourish and get to know each other until they get in Katie Porter's fucking shot.
I wish that back in the 70s or 80s the first politician to demand mandatory seat-belt usage had taken a bullet between the eyes, and none of the government scum ever again dared to presume that their position as untrustworthy hired help gave them any standing at all to coerce the rest of us into compliance with their self-anointed vision of moral perfection.
I despise social-engineering government and I loathe the kind of people who love government for its own sake. Every single one of them would have been a happy little cogwheel in the Hitler or Stalin machines. Enemy scum, not fellow Americans.
Does this apply to Drive through VOTING?
This is only the beginning. Before you know it they will ban roller skates for the car hop waitresses.
Biggest lines I see at all the local fast food places is the breakfast rush- when half the people in line are getting coffee- or something that resembles coffee, and nothing else. The closest McD's is north of me about 10 miles. Across the street from the pharmacy we use. We refer to as in competition with next closest McD's (13.5 miles west) to be the world's slowest. If we see the line at either is around the building, we use the app to place the order in the parking lot, then walk in to the counter. It's faster. The closest fast food that's not McD's is 16 miles south, just past the 3rd closest McD's....
Didn't eating a burger and and milkshake in your car used to be a big thing when cute carhops on roller skates would bring out your food?
A&W in San Mateo Ca. was where you back into parking space with hot rod or custom and get out and hang around for hours.
Once towed my in progress '40 Ford , with a rope and a friend for miles down there just to show it off and hang out.
That was dumb.
Friday and Saturday cruising El Camino Real was just like in the movie "American Graffiti . Flirt with girls, burn rubber. El Camino is 43 miles long.
forced social undistancing
Is there any aspect of life that California doesn't want to control?
That’s only until the next Wuhan flu virus. It was most useful to order people about.
@Freeman Hunt, Yes. The liberty of "minor attracted persons" and their proximity and accesd to children. Ask Scott Weiner.
Someone wearing a maga hat on a long line under the sun.
"Freeman Hunt said...
Is there any aspect of life that California doesn't want to control?"
Nope. And it is driving the red hats out. Sell house in Ca., move to blue state where locals raise home sale prices that calis can afford but locals cannot. Then, blame calis for problems caused by greedy locals and native school teachers.
My daughter lives in Culver City. They don't seem to mind the illegal aliens setting up an outdoor restaurant under the freeway. I guess it's better to harass a law abiding, tax paying business.
File under "Solution in search of a problem."
It's big news around here that we're getting an In-And-Out. I've never had one, and don't know where the nearest one is.
The really notable street-blocking outfit around here is Chic-fil-a at lunchtime, and some smaller chains.
It has been so long--decades even--since I've had a fast-food burger. You couldn't pay me to eat a Mickey D's and not just because I saw a grillman pick a patty off the floor where he dropped it and slip it back on the grill . . . in about 1970.
We did eat Mickey, Wendy, and BK when the kid was a kid, of course.
There's a Shotwell Street not far from here. In 1942, when the US Army's Kennedy General Hospital* was being built, someone suggested that Shotwell (the street along the west side with the main entrance) ought to be renamed.
Thus Getwell was born.
*One of three in the nation, and now UofM's South Campus.
Oh so NOW the problem is drive-thrus.
No Kings!
Except when lefties want to micromanage your life. Then they’re everywhere.
@Hassayamper, I don’t think I’d go quite that far regarding the people who mandated seatbelts, having lost my cousin Billy when he lost control of his father’s ‘59 Buick and was thrown from the car, suffering a fatal head injury. His brother, who was my age, was not ejected and only lost a year of high school football to a bruised kidney.
OTOH, since the Millennium it has seemed more and more that the benefits of regulations are negligible, the costs are high, and they seem mostly designed to yank around the proletariate.
Car changes I welcome: Crumple zones so the human body doesn't smash into the car at full speed. Safety glass so the windshield doesn't slice heads off and penetrate the chest. Collapsing steering columns so they don't stab the chest.
Seatbelts are fine. Airbags...mixed per their explosive content and defect/recall rate...
Low flow shower heads = asinine in all ways
Low flow toilets = often defective. Put in "small" vs. "large" flush option buttons.
"Won't somebody think of the children?!?!?"
If all you're into is "liberty" and "muh Freedom", well California wont care if you smoke a joint, shoot up with heroin, or bang that underage chick or boy. Also, foreigners are "free" to vote in elections and get employment in any job they wish. No one cares about your "documents" aka American Citizenship.
And if you're in the right job in Government, you're pretty much "Free" to steal as much Government $$ as you want. Assuming you have enough powerful friends.
The losertarians would complain about "Big Government" but otherwise they'll find it a paradise.
Idle Politics
Oh I forgot, if you're a minority or illegal alien and you want to rape murder and steal, well you're not really "Free" to do that. But chances are your punishment will be light and you'll be out on a low amout bond. But don't try that if you're white. California doesnt believe in that sort of "freedom".
Is there anything dumber than Losertarians with there "Big Government" talk? The question is what is the Government doing or not doing. Not whether its "Big" or "Small". I guess we'd all be better off with a "small government" that let 2026 Al Capone's Gangs run rampant. Chicago in 1930 sure did have "muh freedom". What a small Government. Talk about paradise.
In-N-Out is the Chick-Fil-A of California. I went to try them out the last time I was there. Yuk. They put mayonnaise based sauces on everything! These do not belong on hamburgers.
More brawls in fast food places.
"They put mayonnaise based sauces on everything! These do not belong on hamburgers."
They will leave it off if you ask.
Trivia Time: In-N-Out is the only fast food place that has never screwed up my order. Not even once.
It’s hilarious to see the frog-leg Althouse commentariat respond to the electric current of the tabloid journalist. A couple of California cities are engaged in local zoning fights and it’s somehow a battle for the future of the American soul. For those who’ve (obviously) never been to California, there is innumerable strip after innumerable strip, some more than sixty miles long, where the same drive-in restaurants comically reappear, mile after mile, like a scene from The Simpsons. The idea any power is going to change that is ludicrous.
Joe Bar
Try Hopdoddy. Not a drive in place, but I guarantee they have a burger you'll like.
I think we can all agree that government overreach is ok when it is done in California.
I stopped eating at drive throughs during the Biden years, when the prices increased, often by well over 50%.
Drive thru robbery, I tell ya!
Terrific. So instead of waiting in your car for a minute, you'll be inside trying to avoid an all-in brawl between members of a certain demographic.
I've been to In-and-Out and it is not that great. I last ate at the one by Rodeo Drive and it was jammed with Asian tourists. Omaha's Bronco's is better.
In-N-Out is frozen in time by design. While they have top-tier quality and sanitation, the recipes are straight out of 1948 with old-time standards. This means smaller portions and simpler flavor profiles. This means soft white bread. This means the "Animal Style" of grilled onions plus a condiment blend. Their vegetable oil fries are bland vs. the beef tallow fries of other vendors.
I prefer Five Guys, Culver's, and even Smash Burger for portion size, ingredients, and options. And no mainstream chain can touch Culver's frozen custard concrete mixers. No one.
"We already have enough *Insert Business Name/Type Here* in our city/state. Your application is denied."
Government knows best.
I used to frequent the drive-in in Sauk City that became the first Culver's location. They did the bring-out-your-order-and-hang-it-on-the-car-window thing. I think it was an A&W, but I'm not sure about that.
“ I prefer Five Guys, Culver's, and even Smash Burger for portion size, ingredients, and options.”
Just got back from a run to 5 guys. My partner’s favorite quasi fast service burger place. Thought that we were ordering a naked triple burger, with grilled onion and toadstools. Turns out that I was charged for three double burgers. Got that fixed, but then got a triple in a bun, with lettuce, tomatoes, and maybe more nix to the bun, lettuce, etc, because the earlier remake was by the manager, who get involved because it required a refund, and he missed the directions for no bun, etc. it may seem like a lot, but she’ll eat it over 2-3 nights. This is what happens when she insists on doing her own ordering.
She recently swore off In-and-out. Picked two up two nights ago for me. The fries are really better at 5 Guys. I also do burgers at Wendy’s, when she is getting backed potatoes and chilis.
I keep reming her that she never has had a Big Mac. In 69 years, no Big Mac. Unbelievable. Realistically, I wouldn’t let her eat one, since their Secret Sauce contains mayonnaise, which she is allergic to.
*** since the Millennium it has seemed more and more that the benefits of regulations are negligible, the costs are high, and they seem mostly designed to yank around the proletariate. ***
They are contemptuous or ignorant of the Law of Unintended Consequences, the Law of Diminishing Returns, the Law of Large Numbers, the Law of Regression to the Mean, the Pareto Principle, the Dunning-Kruger Effect, and all the other principles that govern the affairs of men.
Chesterton's Fence.
Goodhart's Law.
The Peter Principle.
Gresham's Law.
Hofstadter's Law.
Brooks' Law.
Reynolds' Law.
These heuristics are as inexorable and reproducible as the force of gravity, but the bovine petty tyrants who populate our governments think any of them can be overcome by issuing a new decree and hiring plenty of men with whips and guns to enforce it.
Don't teach your kids to vote for "good government" . There is no such thing. Teach them to hate government, and vote to tear it down at every single election. Otherwise the kudzu grows and our posterity will live in slavery.
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"It has been so long--decades even--since I've had a fast-food burger. You couldn't pay me to eat a Mickey D's and not just because I saw a grillman pick a patty off the floor where he dropped it and slip it back on the grill . . . in about 1970."
I worked at McDonalds. Common to use sticky soles to retrieve dropped buns or patties. First offense, reprimand. Second offense, potential immediate firing, depending upon how bust it is at the time
I was working the window when I saw the unsanitary beef-rescue, and worked my way up from fry-man to fish- and shake-man, but I had been fired before I got to the grill.
Besides that, my most vivid memory is the outraged Joisey traveler who complained long and loud that his burgers "Dint have no my-oh-nice-a! How can you eat a burger with no my-oh-nice-a?"
Entry level McDonalds was where high school kids learned govt gonna take 20% off your pay every week.
I've lived in Southern California 70 years now. Today I was driving out I-10 in the eastern part of LA County, Western part of San Bernardino. The freeway was in an abysmal state==patches everywhere, bone rattling ride (of course doing so at 70 mph). The Sacramento Democrats have raided the gas tax fund for years--and the state's infrastructure is falling apart. But boy howdy, we are going to regulate hamburger stands. Our governing class loves to focus on the "essential things". But in reality, most of them couldn't organize a two car funeral in a small Kansas town.
Wait...the LONDON TIMES?
Dave Begley said...
I've been to In-and-Out and it is not that great. I last ate at the one by Rodeo Drive and it was jammed with Asian tourists. Omaha's Bronco's is better.
First of all, Dave, anybody you see on the streets of Beverly Hills is a tourist. Nobody that lives there would be caught dead in downtown Beverly Hills. Secondly Beverly Hills IN-and OUT is not a representative sample. Orange County has better ones.
The only time I use the drive-thru lane is late at night when the inside dining is locked down. It is SO much faster for me to park, walk inside to a virtually empty McD's (for example), order at a kiosk, get my food and waltz to my car before the car that pulled in before me (but into the drive thru lane(s)) has even had a chance to order.
I fully agree with the rest: what the f does the government have to get involved in such things. They already have sunk the knife in the back of the restaurant industry with the minimum wage fiasco. I was just discussing that with the kiosk the other day.
Everything must banned or mandated.
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