June 14, 2026

"The really worst part about being 80 is that you find, at last, you’ve got an understanding of something that might have altered everything in the past, had it come at a time when something could still be altered."

"When you’re young you think that time moves forward. At 80 you know that it doesn’t, it stands still. We’re the ones that move."

Writes Bob Dylan, answering the NYT's question what are the best things and the worst things about being 80, in "Bob Dylan and Liza Minnelli Already Turned 80. They Have Thoughts for Trump." Yes, Bob Dylan responded to a journalistic query on the occasion of Donald Trump's birthday.

Time doesn't move, but the world moves. Bob also says: "The worst thing about being 80 is that you still want to say yes to everything, but the world moves without asking. The old fire in your heart still tells you to do this and that, but your body says we already did it...."

And was time moving in the past? Bob also says: "The best thing about being 80 is that you outlive the clocks that have been chasing you. It’s freedom from that lie that anything was ever under control. You don’t chase the parade anymore. You’re an old king from some vanished country.... You’re not rushing to become anything and you’re not haunted by things that you did. You’re haunted by how little of it really mattered in the way you thought it would."

ADDED: Based on what I quoted, you might find the headline confusing. Bob didn’t say anything about Trump and what’s Liza Minnelli doing there? But the article actually has a bunch of other celebrities — Robert De Niro, Art Garfunkel, Gloria Steinem, and Dionne Warwick. And all of them, including Liza, are shown answering the question “Any advice for the president as he turns 80?” I presume Bob was asked that question too, and he refused to answer. Nevertheless, Bob’s answering of the two questions he did answer – what’s the best thing and what’s the worst thing about turning 80 – is put at the top of the article. So The New York Times wanted to make it about Trump and all the other celebrities went along with that but whatever it is Bob happened to say about aging and time mattered more, and I’m glad The New York Times was able to see that. And thanks to Bob for seeing, once again, that you don’t have to answer the question asked by the one who walks into the room with a pencil in his hand, sees the President of the United States standing naked and asks, How would you advise that man?

41 comments:

rcommal said...

This SO resonates.

Regards,

Lori (reader_iam0

mccullough said...

Dylan became very famous at a young age. I think he’ll live to be 100. I love that he declined to attend the Nobel ceremony because that’s the time of year he spends with his family. No sense getting old if you aren’t wiser for it.

Achilles said...

The clocks are still chasing me.

wildswan said...

Yes, he's living out what old age is. the only thing I'd add is that when you're old, there's no older people Everyone else is surrounded by older people giving advice, help, commentary , wanted or unwanted, on whatever stage of life they are in. Kid, teen-ager, young worker, young wife, young mother, mid-career, etc. And what's said is based on the fact that others have been through the stage, come out the other side and can give reports. But no one sits around talking about what comes after old age, well, no one is talking about their own experiences. I never thought I'd miss all that know-it-all blabbering.

boatbuilder said...

So. The times they ain't a'changin'?

"You're an old king from some vanished country." I like that. The man can turn a phrase.

Although Trump doesn't seem to agree with Bob about the futility of trying to get things done.

tcrosse said...

I, at 81, still sometimes wonder what I want to do when I grow up.

The Vault Dweller said...

"You’re haunted by how little of it really mattered in the way you thought it would."

Ozymandias nods. Maybe he could talk to Joyce Carol Oates who seems to have issues accepting this.

R C Belaire said...

Time is nature's way of ensuring everything doesn't happen at once.

Jamie said...

I never thought I'd miss all that know-it-all blabbering.

Hear hear!

Achilles said...

"You’re haunted by how little of it really mattered in the way you thought it would."

You aren't haunted by how little of "it" really mattered.

You are haunted by how little "you" actually mattered.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

"you and I are old;
Old age hath yet his honour and his toil;
Death closes all: but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods."

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45392/ulysses

Not Illinois Resident said...

Ok, but a lotta people don't care what Minelli or Dylan have to say about Trump, or anything for that matter.

Meade said...

Bob performing in 1995 when he was 54, a song he wrote when he was 21, a song in tribute to “Mr. Frank’s” 80th birthday anniversary:

https://youtu.be/F44DBpIyAh0?is=fd-vbNEpOq1anfx3

Meade said...

Bob is younger than that now.

Meade said...

Happy birthday, Mr. President 45/47. And happy birthday, America.

Ice Nine said...

>Achilles said...
You aren't haunted by how little of "it" really mattered.
You are haunted by how little "you" actually mattered.<

I'm not sure about the "haunting" part (see below) but Achilles nails, in those last five words, the essential reality and revelation of octogenarianism.

I've accomplished a lot and I've done some very significant things, yet I've always had an inkling of how little of it mattered in the grand scheme. But 80 really brings that fact home. And I'm OK with that because the other thing that being around that age does is liberate you to not really need to give a damn about that - or most anything else.

Tregonsee said...

"Too soon old, too late smart." A Pennsylvania Dutch saying, IIRC.

Bob Boyd said...

"Too soon old, too late smart." - Jeffrey Epstein

Bruce Hayden said...

The thing that I fear about turning 80, is what my father said - that so many of your friends have died, or will die soon. By 85, he was the oldest man in the church, and by 90, the oldest period.

Early 70s was bad, with too many friends dying from COVID-19, or more frequently, the vaccines. But most of my friends survived. My 50th college reunion was in 2022. This year, they are advertising for our 55st - lumping three classes together. Will go, just to see the guys in the class ahead of me.

fghdcp said...

"You’re haunted by how little of it really mattered in the way you thought it would."
In other words, written on water.

wildswan said...

Trump isn't quite in the same position as the rest of us because he'll be in history as the President who set the US response to the changes of the 21st century. Europeans and Asians have trouble understanding him because greatness and being a prankster are in there together, switching positions all the time. But he is an American leader and it's hard to know what other combination can lead the ones who are here and have a thought beyond greed or antisemitism. If you can't see why that must be so, I can only say "America is hard to find."

Bruce Hayden said...

One of the things that I noticed at my 50th, was that Jews really do hate Jews for Jesus. The guy I was hanging around with, wouldn’t even acknowledge the acquiescence of ours who had accepted Christ some 40 years earlier. Both MOT in college, they were at least friendly back then. Never seen that guy be actually rude to anyone before.

This subject came up a couple days ago, after the military had tried to cut the number of religions that they recognized. Interesting was that eastern and western Orthodox refused to be classed together. Bad was the question of whether Mormons were Christians. Worst, probably, was the inclusion of Jews for Jesus with unconverted Jews.

Bruce Hayden said...

“ Trump isn't quite in the same position as the rest of us because he'll be in history as the President who set the US response to the changes of the 21st century.”

Trump is probably the most impactful US President of at least the last half century, at an age when he should be fading away.

n.n said...

Time and space compression.

Meade said...

“…May you always stand upright and be strong…”https://youtu.be/hCc2SczzqWE?is=2x3Vnwiewh4JPwex

William said...

It's comforting to know with absolute certainty that I have lived to old age. Young people don't have that assurance. I ended up with a better deal in life than Ricky Nelson. Who would have guessed? Old age isn't one of the golden prizes but it's a pleasant enough consolation prize.....The worst part is the various medical and surgical procedures you have to under go. Some of that crap is really hideous..

rehajm said...

..:unless your people finally kills him he’s going to be President for a couple more years. Nice try..,

Big Mike said...

I’ll be 80 in a couple weeks. I keep the mind active working a couple logic puzzles and/ or Sudokus daily. This morning I solved one where the perimeter of a right triangle is 150 and the length of its hypotenuse is 64. What is its area? I almost forgot that the area of a triangle is one half base times height.

I’ve been retired eleven years this summer and many of my old friends are gone now. One of them paid to have a portion of his ashes launched into space. I moved an hour’s drive west of where we used to live so it’s not as though I could easily get together with them. I miss them a bit, but I didn’t get together that much with them after work hours anyway.

Big Mike said...

I forgot to mention how grandkids make everything worthwhile.

bagoh20 said...

Whatever the worse part of being 80 is, I'll take it.

Anthony said...

They Have Thoughts for Trump.
A rather vanishingly small number of people actually care, least of all Trump.

But go ahead and make yourselves feel important.

rehajm said...

I’m already pushing the envelope. Unlikely I’ll be replacing y’all at eighty in a couple decades. Please enjoy…

chuck said...

The motion of the world is time.

rehajm said...

that so many of your friends have died, or will die soon

…my grandmother made it to 98, still lucid and vibrant until the end. She lamented she was last, forgotten…survived her last peer by a decade. Despite family she felt alone, lonely…

boatbuilder said...

They asked De Niro what advice he had for Trump? Really? I'm sure it was something really classy.

Temujin said...

Good words from Mr. Dylan.

Will Cate said...

"I’m glad The New York Times was able to see that"

That's giving them some credit. I suspect they just wanted the headline-browser to think that Bob had something to say about Trump. Total clickbait.

William said...

Yes, it's sad enough when friends and relatives pass on, but it should be noted that not all are friends and relatives. Trump, for example, may live long enough to piss on Robert DeNiro's grave, and that will undoubtedly count as one of the satisfactions of a long life. I suppose the reverse is also true. Sadly, I probably won't be around to see how it works out.

Big Mike said...

@rehajm, your late grandmother sounds something like my wife’s mother. She lived three full hours away, and after her husband died my wife and I and our kids were her only family. However she refused to sell her home and move in with us (or accept our assistance moving into a smaller nearby house) “because her friends were there.” She stayed in that house, lonely and alone, due to sheer stubbornness after the last of her friends died of moved away to be closer to their kids. Sad.

Dagwood said...

Love the comment by tcrosse @ 6:50 a.m.

hawkeyedjb said...

Time goes, you say, but no,
Alas, time stays. You go.

-Henry Dobson

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