Here are 2 things that have been presented as tellings of a fuller version of our history:
I'd call the first one The Leaning Tower of Slinky. The second one seems inspired by the snack food Bugles.
Whatever you think of Robert E. Lee, his statue was a traditional realistic bronze representation of a man. These repurposing of the bronze will stick Charlottesville with sad ugly awful public art.
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Maybe they could position a Dambo troll next to a plate of those “Robert E.” Bugles so he can snack on them.
The statue which ignitited violence. That's some statue. No wonder it was destroyed. Sounds like a Hazzard.
Its slinky, Its slinky, its a wonderful toy.
What cold fuckery is this?
Maybe recast the metal into tiki-torches to line the streets of the “Wounded City”.
Just take the bronze to a metal recycler and get a good price for it.
That's a better idea than these ridiculous "works of art".
Everybody needs a Slinky!
Nearly all modern "art" is absolutely dreadful. They try so hard to be "transgressive" and "challenging". Most architecture is just as bad, maybe even worse because it's so much larger. For example, all that corrugated steel for walls and such. Great material, but not appropriate for homes and doentown commercial buildings.
I designed and built with corrugated steel for over 30 years -- my own machinery sheds, cow barns, hay shelters, piggeries and so on -- where it was totally appropriate.
Wow, the WaPo even made sure to include video of Bobby's head being cut up and melted. Never forget that we have totally defeated you, whitey!!
Are we allowed to play Levon Helm records anymore? CC, JSM
Charlottesville, where a special, peculiar, liberal, consensus ran amuck. A driver was mobbed. A mob was overridden.
"Wow, the WaPo even made sure to include video of Bobby's head being cut up and melted."
Yeah, we see the face sliced off, like that's performance art expressing deep understanding of history.
The enlightened ones speaketh. Sad, sad, sad.
Swords Into Plowshares...The worse people, those who do the greatest evil, are fully convinced of their moral superiority.
Those were sad, dark, days for America.
Have no fear - whatever incomprehensible mess they erect will be accompanied by a plaque half its size explaining whatever the heck they claim it means. Since it will in fact be incomprehensible.
Recast it in its original form. That's the only way to set things right.
In spite of my pseudonym, I am descended from a Union Civil War veteran (4th Iowa Cav). And I went to a college where I took my exams in a secular cathedral built in memory of alumni who died for the Union. In a region where every hamlet and village has a mass-produced Civil War memorial statue of an exhausted infantryman leaning on his musket, to commemorate the boys who left their remote stone-fenced farms and walked hundreds of miles to preserve the nation - and didn't return. And I'm part black. So I am not the hugest Confederate fan.
As a compromise between glorifying the rebels and completely wiping out the history, I'd vote to see every Confederate monument replaced with a larger version of that village Union soldier statue. Maybe with lists of the Union units who took casualties defeating whichever rebel general was originally commemorated there.
I'm sure the Dems would go for that, right? Celebrate the virtuous whites who killed slavedrivers? No one could oppose that, right? CC, JSM
Wasn't the original argument for removing these works of art that they needed a new venue that would place them in proper historical context instead of venerable public display?
Not that they needed to be destroyed?
Confederate cannibalism complements clinical cannibalism in the Planned performances of the arts, etc.
There was a whole wing of giant folded/rolled steel sculpture in the Guggenheim in Bilbao. I reject it as embodying any story. The main driver of the unpopularity of modern art is the higher value buyers put on the “story” over the actual art delivering a message within its medium. Once you have seen one giant metal shaving you’ve pretty much seen them all.
Their legacy of Diversity, Equivocation, and Indifference is a first-order forcing of dissonant pride that is best melted, but not forgotten, in a dysmorphic woke of art.
The only thing more leftist than an arts administrator is a union organizer.
Is the SPLC paying for the new statue, like they paid to get the old one destroyed?
“These repurposing of the bronze will stick Charlottesville with sad ugly awful public art.”
Hee…Bobby Lee’s revenge!
Contrast this public art with what Trump has done to spruce up the public art all around DC, including repairing broken fountains and other things no one was bothered to do in the dreary crime ridden capital before Trump returned.
Swords are beaten into plowshares by victors who have vanquished their enemies and created a time of peace and prosperity.
The Open Society philosophy doesn't allow for art that inspires strong emotions. They require art to be neutral, uninspiring, bland, ambiguous, equivocal and vague.
It reminds me of Muslims wiping out and destroying art on the grounds that it's not Islamic. Or the wars between the Protestants and the Catholics, where churches were burned to the ground.
Artists should stand up for art. I think she is trying to erase history. She's a book-burner. But it's worse than burning books. There are multiple versions of books. You can't destroy all the books.
But you can destroy singular works of art. To do this, in the name of socialism? You're not even pursuing God. You're just narcissists, celebrating this moment while you demolish our history.
French Revolutionaries. They can't decapitate Robert E. Lee. He's dead. So they decapitate his statue, and his horse. Childish anger, childish stupidity. This baby-sitter is instructing children to act like children and destroy things.
We should learn from the past, not erase it. We ought to respect art and understand it, not burn it down. Hide it away, if it's bad. Or reveal the bad art and mock it.
But this public attack on art and statutes and history? The destruction of art by a government institution? Despicable. You are not liberal arts any more, UVA.
the materials from the past that have caused a lot of pain
Slavery was painful. The Civil War was painful.
Your babies are cos-playing at violence and revolution. And you're encouraging them. Profoundly stupid.
snack food Bugles... BUGLES!
War Bugles! blaring out racist Dixie Battle Cries!!
nothing ( NOTHING!) screams RACISM! louder than bugles!
Burn This To The Ground! Burn the entire city to the ground!
STOP Racism! Stop Bugles!
The communist attack on America continues apace. Simple minded fools like the "professor" and all the "artists" in question should be publicly horsewhipped and exiled to any communist country of their choice, condemned, like the fictitious "Man Without a Country" to never return to America upon pain of summary execution.
This new art makes me feel nothing.
"You feel bad? The art makes you feel bad? We'll burn it down. And give you art that makes the bad feelings go away. It's artistic Prozac. Look at this art and do nothing with your life."
Slinky!
Snack food!
Do you feel better now, children?
Robert E. Lee was a symbol of white Virginia - thats why it was destroyed. It had zero to do with anyone upset about the civil war or slavery. American's like Eisenhower thought Lee was a Great Ameircan - thats why it was destroyed.
America 2.0 replacing America 1.0
Those people will trans anything and everything.
"How artists want to use a melted Robert E. Lee statue to heal a wounded city"
Say the people who wounded it.
It looks like a threadbare dunce cap.
This is not, as some of our detractors say, an attempt to erase history …
Simply a lie. Jalane Schmidt, a University of Virginia religious studies professor, is bearing false witness. Apparently she is unaware of the Ten Commandments.
Sad, ugly, awful is the motto of the Democrat Party.
Anything that connects Democrats to slavery must be scrapped,
Bob @ 9:13
You know why the sculpture in Millenium Park looks like a polished chrome bean? Despite what you've heard. It's because it isn't easy to vandalize.
a slinky? yeah nothing says = "pain" like a kid's toy
" Let's erase history and then give the people our version of the history. "
Why not melt down the Liberty Bell as well?
Lee might have been a noble warrior in an ignoble cause however he was part of history
Bugles are underrated.
Sedimentary rock is a record of a striated history.
The Heart of the Noose captures the autistic expression of a flailing campaign to obscure a litmus legacy of liberal license.
C’Ville has gotten what it deserves for destroying a politically incorrect statue: Sad, ugly awful public art.
Maybe a bronze reproduction of the big check the SPLC gave to the purported far right protesters.
Washington and Lee is now W & L on the embarrassed website. (They're not really embarrassed, I'm just teasing them. But good luck finding a photo of Robert E. Lee).
new university name ideas:
1) Washington and Decapitated Lee
2) Decapitated Washington and Decapitated Lee
3) No Washington and No Lee
4) Two Dead Slave-Owners
5) O.U.C.I.W.O.A.N.N.T.P.O.S. (aka "Our University Committee Is Working On A New Name To Please Our Students")
“ These repurposing of the bronze will stick Charlottesville with sad ugly awful public art.”
Sad, ugly, and awful describe almost all public art.
Say France decided to secede from the EU and Macron aligned with France on the grounds that "I am a Frenchman first, a European second. I will stand or fall with my stats"
Would Macron be a traitor?
I suppose it depends on who wins the war, doesn't it.
Too many people forget that what we call a "civil war" wasn't. It was a war between sovereign states.
Synonyms for state include country, nation.
John Henry
@Rustygrommet, do not give them ideas!
Lee was undoubtedly an exceptional General, but if he had decided to join the Union rather than the Confederacy, many people would not have died, and the entire nation would have come out better, especially the South. A very fateful decision, that he didn't come to easily, but was the biggest mistake of the Civil War.
Even though maintenance probably makes it more expensive, I'll choose landscaping over more public art almost every time.
Despite what you've heard.
I haven't heard anything. Where is Millennium Park?
"To heal a wounded city." Cliches can often be useful and truthful. In this instance, it's just ridiculous.
bagoh20 said...
"Lee was undoubtedly an exceptional General"
That may be a traditionally popular opinion, but likely an inaccurate assessment based on the general's strategic and battlefield decisions.
The video below is a Confederate generals criticism of Lee's command at Gettysburg. U.S. Grant also believed that Lee's leadership and strategy ultimately weakened his army and accelerated its defeat.
https://youtu.be/SNNRYEIa7sk?si=AVXP64ZDjz_EliXM
Public art could play an important civic role in Renaissance Italy. For better or worse, that may have been true in Richmond when the Confederate statues went up. It's unlikely to be true of anything put up now.
Fitz,
Lee made poor tactical decisions at Gettysburg, but they were based on his strategic understanding that the North was winning the war. His tactical decisions were a desperate attempt to create a sense of crisis in Northern newspapers and then sue for a settlement.
Sound familiar?
bagoh20 said...
Lee was undoubtedly an exceptional General... .
Lee never really won anything after Stonewall Jackson died at Chancellorsville. The Southern victory there was all Jackson. Lee's biggest mistake was the doomed Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg. After two days, Lee believed the North was fortified on their flanks and weak in the middle. It was the exact opposite.
Jackson was dead, and Lee didn't listen to Longstreet.
Lincoln went through a series of morons as leading Generals until Meade bested Lee at Gettysburg. Rather than chase Lee, Meade let him get away extending the war.
They probably could not prevail because of the unions industrial base but that doesnt the war could not have proceeed beyond appotamax courthouse
"Maynard said..."
Could be, could be, brother. I am speaking from ignorance, but I have been listening to this series of videos from Life On The Civil War Research Trail. Very interesting scholarship, readings of letters between opposing generals post-war, contemporary newspaper correspondent reports, diary excerpts, memoirs of surviving leaders and infantry and cavalry regulars. Excellent information delivered without judgment. I recommend it.
https://www.youtube.com/@lifeonthecivilwarresearchtrail
Considering the lopsided level of resources, men and money, the South should have never last that long. As the leader of that effort, Lee must have been doing a lot right.
John henry said...
Say France decided to secede from the EU and Macron aligned with France on the grounds that "I am a Frenchman first, a European second. I will stand or fall with my stats"
Would Macron be a traitor?
I suppose it depends on who wins the war, doesn't it.
“Too many people forget that what we call a "civil war" wasn't. It was a war between sovereign states.”
Technically, it was a failed war of independence. By definition, a civil war* is where two or more groups battle for control of a country. In 1861, 13 states split from the US and declared themselves a new country, the Confederate States of America. At no time did they try to gain control of the US. They just wanted to be their own country. A terrible war was fought and the CSA lost, and for that, I’m grateful. BTW: that isn’t exactly a widely held belief here in Alabama.
*To me, “civil war” sounds like the ultimate oxymoron. It brings to mind two gentlemen talking. One says to the other, “I must go. It’s time to bombard you now.” The other replies, “If you must.”
How about a Statue of Lincoln and a slave side by side, hands clasped, raised in celebration with a plague with the word FWEEDOM!
There's nothing wrong with Charlottesville that a couple hydrogen bombs couldn't fix.
So they don't just want us to forget Lee or his statue.
They need to rub it in for some reason.
BTW, when I saw that Virginia had a bust of Lee in the US capitol that enraged me as a citizen. That guy should not be in the US capitol.
But the left is making me rethink my anger.
Could be worse. Could be the infamous Dog Turd sculpture in San Jose's Cesar Chavez Plaza.
It just sickens me the Commie left gets away with crap. Notice it’s in blue states only and generally has its genesis in universities.
The people most disposed to tear down the statues of Robert E. Lee were kind most disposed to put up statues of Lenin and Castro. I suppose we should be grateful that nowadays they're into abstract art. Maybe like Cromwell or Mohammed, it's their way of escaping from the blasphemy of a graven image.........By and large, there's not much to recommend the human race. Many of the framers of our constitution were slave owners. They seem to have been better able to actualize the concept of liberty than the liberated slaves of Haiti. Bummer......John Knox, the founder of the Presbyterian faith in Scotland was a galley slave for some nineteen months. You'd think that the experience of being a galley slave would give him some insights into the sinfulness of slavery, but not a chance.. What really outraged him was the sinfulness of Marian worship among the Catholics.......As noted, there's not much to recommend the human race. We're allf fools. Fools build statues to fools and a later generation tears down those foolish statues and erects new foolishness.
Lenin, Castro, and Mao the mass abortionist. But, not National Socialists who are taboo in secular seance. Leaning left...
Here are the details on the ring tower conception.
After reading through that I begin to think that maybe Massa Robert on Traveler wasn't so bad if that crapola is the only alternative.
Why doesn't somebody form an Official Historical Commission and start laying the the class action lawsuits that will force them to re-create the same freakin' statue down to the millimeter, based on computer topography analysis of the million photos taken of it, since it was destroyed illegally? The voters did not decide to take it down.
“Heal a wounded city”? That’s an odd way of saying “Placating the butt hurt 15% of residents”.
"...a Confederate statue that once ignited violence..." I thought the Babylon Bee was being satirical when they released a video showing an AR-15 on trial for murder, but apparently serious people are now prepared to blame an inert mass of bronze for 'igniting' violence.
It strikes me as one step beyond medieval trials of pigs for murder, an exercise reasonable people used to ridicule. At least the pigs were self-mobile.
That may be a traditionally popular opinion, but likely an inaccurate assessment based on the general's strategic and battlefield decisions.
LOL. Yeah, that Lee what an Incompetent! Didn't know his elbow from his ass on the battlefield.
Sorry, I'll take the opinion of Eisenhower, almost all military historians for 130 years after the war, and the people who actually fought the war.
Pretty much everyone thought Lee was the best General before and after the war. But boy were they wrong. If only they could have watched a 2025 video.
As Lee said, the greatest mistake of the war was leave the best Generals to write the newspapers and leave him to fight the battles.
Napoleon made mistakes. Cf: Russia. And he lost at waterloo didn't he? What a loser. LOL.
Nobody's perfect. Even the greatest Generals. It reminds me of that turd Max Hastings who always is hyper-critical of every General. And what is he? Just some Jurnolist with 20-20 hindsight and a big mouth. The assholes cant even get basic facts and dates right in his books. No doubt he'd be in favor of the "Loser Lee" statue being torn down.
I saw a photo of the new work, and it's obviously meant to insult supporter of the original statue. Someone should go find the "artist" and punch him in the nose.
"Pretty much everyone thought Lee was the best General before and after the war. But boy were they wrong. If only they could have watched a 2025 video."
This fool may be the most cocksure shithead to show his ass on this blog.
-Everyone knows Lee was a great general because everyone says so-
Except his fellow generals, the soldiers who served under him, the opposing armies generals, and historians not under the thrall of appeasing the portion of the country that fought for slavery and established Jim Crow.
As I already wrote but you couldn't read it because your head full of shit is so far up your Jew-hating ass, the 2025 videos are exclusively historical documents, letters, diaries, memoirs, and battlefield after action reports written by the men who were actually there at the time and witnessed the events.
But what do they know? Just a bunch of stupid idiots who didn't know enough to guess what generations of partisan Democrat Party members would demand in the post-war South and bigot shitheads like RCOCEAN would rely on as "fact" 150 years later.
And for those who claim that Lee's brilliant battlefield generalship kept the rebel army together longer than thought possible, that is exactly the opposite judgment of those generals, soldiers, and historians referred to in the "2025 videos". Lee's tactics resulted in his army losing hundreds of officers and tens of thousands of men in single battles, losses that the South could not replace and doomed them to an accelerated defeat. Pickett's Charge is just the most well-known of Lee's battlefield blunders.
But hell, what do those guys who were there and served with and fought against Lee know. They should have stuck around for the Ken Burns television show so they could get up to speed like worm-brain asswipe RCOCEAN.
"Sorry, I'll take the opinion of Eisenhower"
Of course you'll take the opinion of a man born into the Jim Crow south 35 years after the war ended. Tell me again which armies Eisenhower commanded during the war?
Meanwhile, Ulysses Grant, who actually opposed Lee on the battlefield and studied Lee's tactics and tendencies as one studies a deadly enemy in the theater of war, had the opposite opinion of Ike.
This is yet another example of the repurposing of public money to the support of leftists and their allies. Don't just condemn the art, condemn the misappropriation of public money for corrupt purposes like this. Let the government sell the ingots publicly at auction, let the market decide who gets them, let the buyer do what they want with the old bronze. Not a penny of public funds should ever be spent in support of such craptastic ideas as funding leftist art.
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