May 3, 2026

"The Iranians are clearly stronger than expected and the Americans clearly have no truly convincing strategy."

"The Iranians are clearly negotiating skilfully or very skilfully not negotiating... a whole nation is being humiliated by the Iranian leadership."

Said Chancellor Friedrich Merz, quoted in "Is German troop withdrawal start of US uncoupling from Europe? After President Trump took offence at Friedrich Merz’s Iran war comments, Donald Tusk warned that infighting was a bigger threat to Nato than its external enemies" (London Times).

Not a typo for "Donald Trump." There really is a Donald Tusk in this story. He's the Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk. His mild-mannered contribution to the debate is: "The greatest threat to the transatlantic community is not its external enemies, but the ongoing disintegration of our alliance."

Last paragraph of the article: "What Merz has done, through speaking his mind to teenagers in a Sauerland school, is to telegraph to Trump all too clearly how his handling of the Iran war has been seen in European eyes. Even if the number of troops being withdrawn now is small, that speaks to deep dysfunction at the heart of Nato."

How does the Times know Merz is "speaking his mind"? I would guess he has more aggravating things he's thinking about and not saying. And is there something about the presence of teenagers that's supposed to inspire frankness? As we used to say in the 1960s, "tell it like it is."

Researching that 60s youth slang, I encountered this NPR article from 2015: "Tracing The Origin Of The Campaign Promise To 'Tell It Like It Is'":
"I tell it like it is." Chris Christie made this his campaign slogan. Donald Trump repeats it whenever he's challenged on something he has said. And Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Mike Huckabee, John Kasich and Rick Santorum have said the same thing. It's the conventional pledge of candor, or what passes for it in American public life.

It's actually odd that anybody's still using the phrase. By rights it should have gone the way of dated '60s slang like "right on" and "can you dig it?" Like those expressions, "tell it like it is" had its roots in black speech in the 1940s and 1950s....

The phrase caught on in the early '60s, when black activists made "tell it like it is" a byword for confronting the realities of race in America. It was picked up by the hippies and the student left, and it soon became a hallmark of youth culture. Howard Cosell promptly co-opted it as a slogan, and the frenetic disc jockey Murray Kaufman wrote a guide to the younger generation called Murray The K Tells It Like it Is, Baby.

By 1968, George Wallace supporters were calling out "tell it like it is, George" at his rallies, apparently unaware that the phrase had been introduced a few years earlier by the likes of Malcolm X and LeRoi Jones. Politicians took it up to sound tuned in and relevant. Richard Nixon used it in his speech at the 1968 Republican Convention, urging the "forgotten Americans" to "tell it like it is." Gore Vidal suggested that Nixon probably didn't know what the phrase meant but assumed it was the kind of hip slang that Jack Kennedy would have heard from his Rat Pack pals in Vegas....

190 comments:

JMS said...

The word "clearly" signals no evidence to support a factual assertion.

n.n said...

Trump is clearly not entertaining abortive ideation in an ethnic Spring. So, ending this multidecadal war will be a progressive then sudden process with forward-looking benefits for Iranians and the region.

Dave Begley said...

Merz is disconnected from the facts and numbers. Turns out that the US was way more powerful than Iran expected. Iran was also much weaker than thought. We conducted a total air and sea beat down of Iran.

Germany can now defend themselves against Russia. Best of luck doing that with intermittent electricity and no oil.

Peachy said...

LOL. Trump just removed our troops from your left-wing bogus green energy fraud state. Enjoy the male Islamist supremacists theocratics... -- ruining your nation.

Dave Begley said...

Proof that Merz is an idiot and coward. “ Rising energy costs have led to increased political debate regarding the EU ETS. In early 2026, Merz briefly advocated for the policy's abolition before reaffirming his government's commitment to EU climate targets”

Peachy said...

Shorter German neo-Nazi" Go Iranian thugs! Screw the people of Iran who want them out.

Peachy said...

Jew hate is on the rise in Germany. Again.

grimson said...

Merz and other likeminded individuals are mistakenly assuming that our goal is regime change. Instead, they should take note of the objectives stated earlier by Rubio.

“We are going to destroy their air force. We have largely done that. We were going to destroy their navy, which we have largely achieved that. We were going to destroy a significant percentage of their missile launchers. We are well on our way to achieving that. And we were going to wipe out their defense industrial base, meaning the factories that make the drones and the missiles. We are on our way to doing that."

Gusty Winds said...

How long does the American taxpayer have to fund this cold-war, ever expanding "alliance"? Forever?

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

The Middle East failure is setting up a wider global failure. I think it would be more accurate to say that Donald Trump is humiliating the US. Iran is merely the lens through which that is happening.

The U.S. now finds itself entangled in a conflict that is driven far more by Israel’s strategic agenda than by any clear American interest. Trump aligned himself so closely with Netanyahu’s hard‑line approach that U.S. policy effectively became an extension of Netanyahu’s priorities, with little regard for the long‑term consequences.

That strategy has backfired. Netanyahu has retreated into silence while Washington is left carrying the political and military fallout. The result is a serious blow to America’s global standing and to Trump’s own credibility.

The U.S. is now locked into a confrontation that offers no realistic path to success only escalating costs, diminishing influence, and a growing sense that this is a fight Trump should never have been drawn into. Americans are figuring it out as well.

Freder Frederson said...

Merz is disconnected from the facts and numbers.

Says the man who assured us the war would be over April 1.

narciso said...

Fred mertz is off the clock

Dave Begley said...

FF: The war was effectively over by April 1. The IRGC just wouldn’t admit it. A rational enemy would have surrendered by then.

Will you accept an August 1 end date? I’ve revised my prediction.

Dave Begley said...

It wasn’t an assurance. It was an estimate. Estimates can be wrong.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

"How long does the American taxpayer have to fund this cold-war, ever expanding "alliance"? Forever?"

What a display of strategic “strength", pulling out 5,000 troops… while leaving roughly 30,000+ still comfortably parked in Germany. Nothing says decisive leadership quite like a symbolic sulk.

America has 800 bases around the world (~270 in Europe) to project power not defend allies. So this withdrawal is another Trump own goal as a result of his thin skin and petulance.
Not a withdrawal. Not a strategy. Just a headline-sized huff.

steve uhr said...

Trump and Putin had a long call last week. The White House didn’t provide a readout of the call which is quite unusual. I guess we now know what Trump agreed to do.

tim maguire said...

I don’t know which is worse. That Merz is treating the Iran War like a political horse race—all that matters is who’s ahead and who’s behind, there is no deeper significance to events—or that he has such an ignorant reading of what’s going on. Does Germany no longer have an intelligence unit?

narciso said...

From kohl to this schlub

Temujin said...

I'm not sure NATO being disappointed in President Trump is something that President Trump would find distressing. Europe is in disarray with its leaders facing one direction, seemingly wearing blinders that do not allow them to see the streets of their own nations. This, while their citizens are starting to hit the streets after remaining silent for so many years, watching their nations being turned into 3rd world outposts complete with 3rd world customs, crime, and filth.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

Netanyahu needs a war to delay his corruption trial. And presumably his biggest backer and Trump's biggest financial backer Miriam Adelson has her own reasons for wanting to see the corruption trial delayed. There was reporting in recent weeks that she was also directly and actively lobbying Trump to restart the war.

There is no vital national security interest of the U.S. at stake. And Trump's willingness to go along with an ill-advised war are actively undermining American security and global interests. Israel has become a massive strategic, financial, and moral liability for the U.S.

Iman said...

“Why do they call this fellow in the Three Stooges “Curly”?! The man clearly has no hair.”

—— Herr Friedrich Merz

wild chicken said...

Anyway, well done Donny. The joint chiefs had the strait of Hormuz problem gamed out decades ago, but you knew better didn't you?

Original Mike said...

"America has 800 bases around the world (~270 in Europe) to project power not defend allies. "

What the hell does that mean?

narciso said...

One recalls it was the bnd who had hired curveball rafi alwan who through a game of telephone ended up at the attention of the bush administration after his lies had been unveiled he stll was being paid so much for german intelligence

Which hasnt been good simce the hamburg cell

chuck said...

The Iranian war is over for the moment. We are just standing by watching Iran collapse. If needed we can give them another push. Merz is just being Merz.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

Merz said the US was “being humiliated” by Iran, and that it went into the conflict “without any strategy” and had “no truly convincing strategy in the negotiations either”.

What else is there to say, Merz is being rather polite in all honesty. The Trump administration deserves far less.

Setting aside the latest MAGA talking points/spin, the data is unambiguous: a clear majority of Americans oppose Trump’s Indefinitely Extended Excursion™ in Iran.

Lucien said...

The question about the Iranians remains: “What if they just won’t give up?” No matter how irrational it looks, what if they won’t?

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

@ OG Mike: America's vast network of overseas military bases isn't primarily about defending allies (like protecting Europe from Russia or Japan/South Korea from China/North Korea). Instead, it's mainly about projecting American power globally — maintaining dominance, influencing events, securing resources/trade routes, enabling rapid interventions anywhere, and deterring rivals on U.S. terms.

In short:
• These bases are tools of global hegemony and force projection, not just defensive alliances.
• The U.S. uses them to shape the world order in our favor, rather than purely as a "global cop" protecting friends out of charity.

Peachy said...

Kak-a-Bot (D) is also rooting for US failure.

Big Mike said...

@Lucien, Adolph Hitler also refused to give up. It didn’t matter.

Kevin said...

Merz said the US was “being humiliated” by Iran, and that it went into the conflict “without any strategy” and had “no truly convincing strategy in the negotiations either”.

If there truly was "no strategy" then all the Admirals and Generals should be fired for incompetence. If that's not what these people are demanding, then they are not to be taken seriously.

These exact scenarios were war-gamed for the last 50 years, yet the press treats the blockading of the Gulf as something Trump stumbled upon during his retreat. This was always the plan. It was always the strategy.

As for strategy in the negotiations, Trump clearly laid out his conditions to stop the war. It is not a negotiation -- it is a surrender.

As Ronald Reagan said, "Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose." Reagan did exactly that, and didn't have to deal with a hostile press telling the world, as the Berlin Wall fell, that Reagan "had no strategy".

narciso said...

We are conquering germany no we are supporting their struedel eating behinds while the saracens plot

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Trump sets it up so that even when it appears he's loosing, he pulls a rabbit out of a hat. To use an old slang that may never go out of style because imagination rabbits are forever.

They gave him the excuse to start pulling out sooner rather than later.
ai: "The idiom "pull a rabbit out of a hat" as a metaphorical expression began to appear in common usage around the 1930s. While the magic trick itself is much older, it took roughly a century for the literal act to transform into the figurative phrase we use today."

narciso said...

It needs to be reminded that the germans and french seeded their nuclear program

Kevin said...

The question about the Iranians remains: “What if they just won’t give up?”

I suspect the Mossad are busy herding the latest group of leaders into places where they can be easily eliminated.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Bart Hall (Kansas, USA) said...

It is time for the US to decide which bases in Europe are key to our larger strategic goals, then harden them immensely, staff, arm, and stock them to appropriate levels, and then declare that, like Guantánamo, these are OUR bases and we will use them how we want, for what we want, whenever we want, with or without your excuse-for-a-country's permission.

I have a cousin in Marine Force Recon [SEALs with not so much water] who was appalled upon his recent return from joint deep winter exercises with the Norwegians ... "unionized, with union rules and union attitudes".

RCOCEAN II said...

"I tell it like it is" he lied.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

"Trump appears to have no strategy".
Tell it to what's left of the the Iranian leadership, if you can find their hideouts.

RCOCEAN II said...

I found it hilarious that a Pole is named Donald Tusk. Help me out Polish people is that really a polish name? It sounds like a cross between Donald Trump and an elephant.

And why do we have a "President of Nato". Its just an alliance. How many alliances have Presidents? Ridiculous.

narciso said...

We probably need landstuhl for their medical facilities they need ramstein more

narciso said...

Hes how you spell romney in polish

Achilles said...

Merz will be out of power before long. Germany is turning against the CDU in mass. Nobody should really care what he says.

Only traitors looking for some way to hurt the United States give a crap about what the globalist tool has to say.

narciso said...

Hes more german than polish (pomeranian)

Original Mike said...

"Instead, it's mainly about projecting American power globally — maintaining dominance, influencing events, securing resources/trade routes, enabling rapid interventions anywhere, and deterring rivals on U.S. terms."

And yet, when we actually do that you have a cow.

RCOCEAN II said...

I don't anyone in the USA cares what Fred Metz says. We're in NATO for their benefit, not ours. In fact, NATO has cost us hundreds of $billions for their stupid amoral war in the Ukraine. Had NATO supported peace in April 2022, and referendums to decide the fate of the Donbass, thousands of Ukrainians would be alive today, and we'd have save $200 billion.

Instead, the NATO elite wants to keep fighting Russia. Well, let them try to march on Moscow for all I care. We need to get out of NATO.

RCOCEAN II said...

Cosell made a point of not telling like it is by changing his name and wearing a toupee.

Dr Weevil said...

I wish I could remember who it was, but ~30 years ago some conservative intellectual said "Others may tell it like it is. Less trendy, I tell it as it is." Paraphrased from memory, so not word for word, but I've always loved the line.

RCOCEAN II said...

The Christie quote shows how "I tell it like it is" can be abused. If you're being an obnoxious ass like NJ fats or trying to sell something people don't like you justify it as being the brave honest truth teller.

Achilles said...


Lucien said...

The question about the Iranians remains: “What if they just won’t give up?” No matter how irrational it looks, what if they won’t?

People are really trying to make sure Trump is seen to fail here.

But it is just really stupid.

The United States is winning in every way right now. Europe and China are both sending Billions of dollars to the US every day right now.

The world is re-balancing itself against the new reality that SE Asia does not have a structural advantage in manufacturing costs any longer.

Over the next decade manufacturing will shift back to the United States and the western hemisphere. We are going to start building our infrastructure in the US again.

Nobody cares how high democrats can raise gas prices in California.

Dr Weevil said...

Merz is a Pomeranian? How appropriate: he talks like a yappy little lap-dog! Which reminds me: Pomerania (the Baltic coast of NE Germany and what is now NW Poland) is known for producing one of the smallest breeds of dogs and one of the largest breeds of horses, and both are named after the province. I hope the Pomeranian horses are careful where they put their hooves, or the Pomeranian dogs are agile in avoiding them. A Pomeranian being stepped on by a Pomeranian would be a terrible thing to see.

Aggie said...

@wild chicken:"...The joint chiefs had the strait of Hormuz problem gamed out decades ago, but you knew better didn't you? ...."

The declared war is decades old. Share with us how the 'problem' has been gamed to the advantage of the US up to March of this year? Not seeing it. Houthis? Regional terror sponser? What was the advantage that the joint chiefs gamed and won?

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

What Donald Tusk is 'clearly' saying is that "Trump is the Walrus".

Achilles said...

RCOCEAN II said...

I don't anyone in the USA cares what Fred Metz says. We're in NATO for their benefit, not ours. In fact, NATO has cost us hundreds of $billions for their stupid amoral war in the Ukraine. Had NATO supported peace in April 2022, and referendums to decide the fate of the Donbass, thousands of Ukrainians would be alive today, and we'd have save $200 billion.

Instead, the NATO elite wants to keep fighting Russia. Well, let them try to march on Moscow for all I care. We need to get out of NATO.


It will cost us less to occupy Europe than it would to leave Europe only to have it become a Muslim Empire and have to fight it in the future.

We should certainly ignore anything the leaders of the continent have to say though.

narciso said...

Koo koo katchoo

Freder Frederson said...

These exact scenarios were war-gamed for the last 50 years, yet the press treats the blockading of the Gulf as something Trump stumbled upon during his retreat. This was always the plan. It was always the strategy.

Didn't Trump himself say he was surprised that Iran closed the strait (and that he was surprised they attacked countries in the region)? When the war started, he insisted it would be over quickly and encouraged the Iranians to rise up.

Or do I just live in a different reality?

rehajm said...

The Iranian war is over for the moment. We are just standing by watching Iran collapse. If needed we can give them another push.

Clearly this is the strategy but that isn't stopping some Eurodoosh from seizing the opportunity to whine that the US needs to go back to fully funding EUs defense so the EU can go back to pretending their economies are formidable...

Freder Frederson said...

The declared war is decades old.

War has not been declared. To say otherwise is to deny reality.

narciso said...

Why should we support their quixotic efforts

hombre said...

After decades of US concern about Euroweenies, it has become apparent that the opinions of their politicians are shaped by their ineffectiveness in the face of the decisiveness of Trump and Netanyahu, military impotence, the Islamization of their countries and antisemitism. So, fuck ‘em!

Scott Patton said...

Boomers and periboomers should all start using CYDI as an accepted common abbreviation.
CYDI

Christopher B said...

Kevin, while it doesn't really negate your point, the press went out of their way to slobber all over Gorbachev as the person who ended the Cold War. Trump's position is quite similar, hopefully.

Also, Lloyd's closed the Strait, not the Iranians

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

I don't think Trump is confronting the costly realities at all. I think he's in massive denial that the options he wants are no longer viable. Trump is going to hold out for something he can claim as a win, and that means we could be stuck with the costly realities for many months, possibly as long as Trump is president. He's not capable of bringing the mess to a resolution.

He’s never accepted that he lost the 2020 election either. The fantasy or delusion that he won, that the election was somehow rigged against him, and that he’s going to get his revenge on everybody who stole it from him, frighteningly remains at the center of much of what he does as President.



His extremely brittle ego is built on an infantile fantasy of omnipotence that has been reinforced by his political success at home. It cannot accommodate the reality of the very significant strategic setback he has incurred with his war. For Iran’s theocracy, the conflict is existential, but for Trump it’s psychologically existential.

Known Unknown said...

Has Merz and company imported enough third worlders to threaten every Christmas market this year yet?

Shouting Thomas said...

“ His extremely brittle ego is built on an infantile fantasy of omnipotence that has been reinforced by his political success at home.”

God, this is monumentally stupid in the manner only a blowhard egghead could manage. Trump survived four lawfare trials and three assassination attempt to become and remain president. This bonehead moron opines that Trump has an “extremely brittle ego.” Dumbest fucking comment on this blog in a decade.

jim said...
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jim said...

If recognizing reality (oil going to $200+ and some unknowable new geopolitical equilibrium) is treasonous defeatism, then let's just go with our fantasy that a win for Texas is a win for the US.

Big Mike said...

“Brittle ego” Trump? What is the color of the sky on the planet where you and Fredo and imTay live?

Shouting Thomas said...

This war may be essential for our defense… and I hate to add this butt…

It’s killing Trump politically. The GOP is likely to lose both the House and maybe the Senate. Trump is facing another impeachment unless he ends this war very quickly.

I’m a Trump supporter. It’s difficult for me to judge the need for the war, because I don’t have access to the Intel to determine Iran’s potential for delivery of a nuke. Trump has, however, a habit of being right about these things.

Peachy said...

It won't be Trump's win - it will be a win for many nations who are exhausted playing by the Radical-death cult -Hamas-Radical-Islamic-Totalitarian-Theorcratic - Radical backwards- Cruel - woman subjugating - Obama supporting Jew haters.

bagoh20 said...

Stupid or dishonest? You decide. I'll follow the facts. Iran's military has been soundly defeated in an unbelievably efficient manner. There have been no substantial war operations for weeks now. Iran's future is up to the U.S. and Trump is the decider. Since we are not a dictatorship, we can still blow it, but that will not be the fault of the U.S. military or Trump. Many including some here want us to have a terrible outcome for the U.S. and the Iranian people. Yes, they want that, and if they can't get that, they will settle for pretending that's what happened. That is a messed up mindset, no matter how you try to dress it up as something less sinister.

Gospace said...

"The Iranians are clearly stronger than expected and the Americans clearly have no truly convincing strategy."
"The Iranians are clearly negotiating skilfully or very skilfully not negotiating... a whole nation is being humiliated by the Iranian leadership."


Delusion writ large. As pointed out by many- there currently is no government in Iran to negotiate with. There are survivors who were in the chain of command, but there is no individual or group ruling over the entirety of the geographical boundaries of Iran. Until a coalition exists that can reasonably establish the fact they are the new government, the former nation of Iran is going to continue sliding back into chaos as all their infrastructure is destroyed.

We don't need to have an end point for winning for Iran to lose. They've already lost. Their negotiators weren't aware they were in surrender negotiation, not equal power negotiations.

Rabel said...

The Times quotes Retired Army General Mark Hertling.

He signed this letter.

I question his judgment and or motives.

Dr Weevil said...

"War has not been declared" (11:26am)? Iranian president Pezeshkian, supposedly a moderate, announced last December that Iran was in fact at war with the US, and had been for a long time. Just because previous presidents weren't fighting back does not mean we were not in a war with Iran. Again, Freder demonstrates that he knows nothing.

james said...

Notice how Merz asserts facts not in evidence: Trump started the war with no strategy. Which is plainly false. I'll be more generous than Merz and say that Merz might mean "with an ineffective strategy." Which is also a position that neither Merz or kaka can defend. Nor has Merz or kaka elaborated about how the USA has been humiliated.

But basic factual issues aside, Merz is insane. Europe in general and Germany in particular need the USA much more than the USA needs them. Merz is intentionally being insulting to President Trump despite Trump's well-earned reputation for responding aggressively to insults. A rational explanation would be that Merz is a Russia agent.

The war at this point is clearly an operational victory for the USA and a strategic defeat of the Iranian regime. It may also turn out to be a strategic victory of historic proportions for the USA.

Big Mike said...

What this exercise has shown us is who turns out to be weaker than expected. Heading the list is not-so-Great Britain. Also Spain, Germany under Merz, and apparently Italy. And especially Iran.

bagoh20 said...

"It’s killing Trump politically. The GOP is likely to lose both the House and maybe the Senate. Trump is facing another impeachment unless he ends this war very quickly."

I believe you will be pleasantly surprised at how this turns out, because the Trump administration is doing the right and difficult things across the board. If the cost of that is handing power back to Democrats, then that's what the cost is. What's the alternative, to win politically and then do nothing? What possible reason could there be for Trump to take such political hits if they didn't make sense based on what he knows that we don't. I think he wants to make a real difference and stop the rot. If that was politically safe, it would have been done by everybody else all along. What is a good reason to NOT do the right thing?

lonejustice said...

Trump has declared that he has won the War with Iran, saying the U.S. military operation in Iran is now completed. However, Iran has not agreed to stop the development of nuclear weapons, has not agreed to stop building ballistic missiles, has not agreed to stop arming its military proxy forces, is still controlled by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, and has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz.

Trump has a strange understanding of victory.

Shouting Thomas said...

“Trump has a strange understanding of victory.”

You are accepting what may just be the propaganda comments of a government that can no longer do any of the things you mentioned.

MartyH said...

For those saying Trump has no strategy, look at a map. There are four major choke points for international shipping-Hormuz, Gibraltar, Panama Canal, Malacca Straits. We got the Panama Canal back. We’ve shown we have veto power over Hormuz. We’ve signed agreements securing similar veto power to Gibraltar and the Malacca. China is paying full price for oil now. The UAE left OPEC.
Cuba could harass shipping through the Gulf of America, so we will eliminate that possibility by taking it over. That will incidentally be to the betterment of its citizens.

I don’t think Trump plays 4D chess but renaming the Gulf of Mexico was definitely foreshadowing.

Quayle said...

My take is that the information discipline of the Trump II admin is so good that nobody, Merz included, knows what is being said for who’s consumption or for what reason. everybody keeps acting like Trump’s public announcements are meant as some sort of accurate status update. I’d take it that Trump’s announcements are totally to jack with the Iranian leaderships’ heads. But the opponents of Trump act like there’s no strategy because he didn’t declare a strategy or they don’t know what the strategy is. they apparently don’t consider that strategy is always the most closely guarded information, and the last thing that you tell anybody.

Achilles said...

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

I don't think Trump is confronting the costly realities at all. I think he's in massive denial that the options he wants are no longer viable. Trump is going to hold out for something he can claim as a win, and that means we could be stuck with the costly realities for many months, possibly as long as Trump is president. He's not capable of bringing the mess to a resolution.

Just because you are too stupid to understand what Trump is doing doesn't make your hypothesis about his thinking useful.

It just shows you are stupid.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...
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MartyH said...

BTW, 74% of Americans, including 60% of Democrats believe the US is winning the war.

Achilles said...

lonejustice said...

Trump has declared that he has won the War with Iran, saying the U.S. military operation in Iran is now completed. However, Iran has not agreed to stop the development of nuclear weapons, has not agreed to stop building ballistic missiles, has not agreed to stop arming its military proxy forces, is still controlled by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, and has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz.

Trump has a strange understanding of victory.


The United States is winning by every measurable metric right now. Europe and China are both flooding the US with Dollars.

Just because you are too stupid to understand what Trump is trying to do doesn't make you right.

Like Chuck it just makes you stupid.

Bruce Hayden said...


“Why do they call this fellow in the Three Stooges “Curly”?! The man clearly has no hair.”

Have a good friend from college. We call him “Poodle”. He is Jewish, and had Jewish kinky dark hair, that he probably permed into a short Afro. Fast forward 50 years. He now has Jewish pattern baldness, with a short fringe around his bald dome. Has had probably since his late 30s. We still call him Poodle. And Curley Joe (and his brothers) were (Lithuanian) Jews. So. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he had, as a kid, had curly hair.

Achilles said...

Shouting Thomas said...

This war may be essential for our defense… and I hate to add this butt…

It’s killing Trump politically. The GOP is likely to lose both the House and maybe the Senate. Trump is facing another impeachment unless he ends this war very quickly.

I’m a Trump supporter. It’s difficult for me to judge the need for the war, because I don’t have access to the Intel to determine Iran’s potential for delivery of a nuke. Trump has, however, a habit of being right about these things.


Think about the timing involved.

There are 6 months before midterms.

Gas prices naturally go down in the winter. The second abraham accords will land sometime between then and now with the new Persian leadership in Iran.

We can also hope that Lloyds is bankrupt by then.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

If one is truthful, the only reason we are at war with Iran is Israel and Oil. In fact both Gulf war one and two was for the same reason.Trump has proven that we don't need the oil in fact he brags about it. Once you eliminate oil from the picture, our relationship with Israel will be the central focus. A cost benefit analysis of support of Israel for the past century will certainly be in the negative ledger. The proof is that Israel for the first time in their history, lost the American public and this will be irreversible. As we experience more pain because of this irrational conflict, the American/Israeli relationship will suffer even more.

When Americans finally realize that there is absolutely no reasons for us to be involved in Middle East wars. The long term benefit to our country maybe worth Trump and his GOP catastrophic decision. The future is hard to predict but perhaps we can finally free ourselves from Middle Eastern conflicts in the future. The short term pain will be worth the long term gain. The fact that we have the most incompetent GOP administration trying to navigate their war is backfiring on the party of plutocrats.

bagoh20 said...

"Iran has not agreed to..."

That's a strange understanding of defeat. I never expect them to agree to anything substantial, and if they did, why would anyone accept it? There isn't even anyone to agree to things. Hitler and Saddam Hussein never agreed to anything either, but sitting in a bunker with a gun to your own head is not a sign of strength, and it seems a lot like victory for the people who put you there.

Mark said...

"We’ve shown we have veto power over Hormuz"

Yes, and foreign debt holders hold veto power over our economy.

At some point they will hear you all saying that they should go f themselves. What happens when they decide that maybe the dollar isn't worth owning, nor their US bonds.

We are in an economically vulnerable place yet you guys want to pretend being bulls in a China shop.

Breezy said...

I tell it as it is…. We don’t know even a smidge of what’s going on in the war, nor in the deliberations. There are a lot of moving parts doing their thing hour by hour.

chuck said...

“What if they just won’t give up?”

Doesn't matter, really. At least until a Democrat gets elected, Democrats are one of their few remaining allies.

bagoh20 said...

The alternative was letting Iran develop nuclear weapons, ballistic delivery, and complete control of the Persian gulf, and to eventually attack Israel and U.S. interests. If that inevitable war is your preference, then I think you undervalue human life and have a seriously near-sighted vison for what the middle east can be both good and bad.

Achilles said...


Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...

If one is truthful, the only reason we are at war with Iran is Israel and Oil.

LOL!

It is and always has been about China and Lloyds of London.

Get fucked you dishonest stupid piece of shit.

Kirk Parker said...

> "unionized, with union rules and union attitudes".

Recall that the UN troops in Rwanda ended up being useless for similar reasons - - they were Belgians with union rules, one of which was they couldn't be billeted in tents.

As a result, when things went down, instead of being concentrated as an effective fighting force they were scattered around Kigali by ones and twos and basically just had to hide out.

Achilles said...

Mark said...

"We’ve shown we have veto power over Hormuz"

Yes, and foreign debt holders hold veto power over our economy.

At some point they will hear you all saying that they should go f themselves. What happens when they decide that maybe the dollar isn't worth owning, nor their US bonds.

We are in an economically vulnerable place yet you guys want to pretend being bulls in a China shop.


LOL! Another retard traitor pretending we have to do what China an Europe want for completely made up reasons.

We can end the Chinese regime tomorrow by merely deciding to stop shipping them food and oil.

Europe is about to completely replace their failed eurotrash leadership.

Meanwhile gas prices in the US are still lower than during the Biden years. Democrats in California are single handedly raising the national "average" gas price. Get fucked traitor.

Maynard said...

Field Marshall Fredo is giving us military advice again. LOL!

Iran is like a boxer who has been knocked out but is still standing, although unable to do anything but stand.

Why are we focusing on the time it takes to "finish the job"? We should be focusing on how a drastically weaker Iranian theocracy will play on the world stage now.

Iman said...

Step up and own the damage the Biden administration wreaked on the American economy, Mark. The feckless, reckless, malevolent actions of today’s Democrat party.

Nary a single word about that from ANY of you far left m00ks.

Iman said...

The Iranian regime is finished.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

In typical libtard fashion, the last paragraph is saved to tell us Republicans are dumb and don't know what they're doing. The story goes there was a clever phrase bequeathed to Party members by hipster negro poets that Republicans tried to use the way children pick up a gun and shoot themselves. The Republicans didn't know how to use the cool phrase so it blew up in their faces and they didn't understand.
Message: Party members are cool, Republicans are dumb.

This is the kind of silly shit Democrat Party members feed on.

bagoh20 said...

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
"If one is truthful,.."

Now that there is funny. I don't care who you are.

Josephbleau said...

Merz has to say something, he has no power to do anything.

Shouting Thomas said...

“If one is truthful, the only reason we are at war with Iran is Israel and Oil.”

This commenter is just hilariously stupid. Yeah, those are reasons, and they are damned good reasons. The survival of Israel and preventing a nuke attack on Israel are paramount importance to the U.S. Oil is the most important commodity in the world.

bagoh20 said...
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bagoh20 said...

" The Republicans didn't know how to use the cool phrase..."

But Nixon rocked it with "Sock it to me?"

n.n said...

Iranians, yes. The mullahs, and regime enforcers, less.

RCOCEAN II said...

"The survival of Israel and preventing a nuke attack on Israel are paramount importance to the U.S."

LOL - Israel has nuclear weapons. ICBM's on subs too. Iran doesn't have nukes. Even if Irand did get nukes, there's no reason to believe that Iran wants to commit national suicide with 40 million dead just to destroy Israel. Not to mention an Iranian nuke attack would kill hundreds of thousands of Arabs and Christian Palaestinians.

The implication of your statement is that Isreal nuclear deterrent is useless. So why don't they get rid of their nukes?

As for Israel itself, its a milestone around our neck. Costing us billions in aid, commiting war crimes, pissing off the arabs, and bribing our politicians. Its literally a criminal state at this point. Maybe if they got rid of Bibi's Government and starting acting like a civilized country things would get better.

Paul said...

I hear Rubio is in Rome cause the Pope is butt hurt that Trump might take the US military out of Italy... well hell... they love Muslims... let them use Muslims for their military. We are tired of protecting the world while the world does not do it's share.

Jupiter said...

This war only makes sense if Iranian nukes are a threat to the US. And if that is the case, then we are not winning the war, because the Iranians flatly refuse to pledge not to pursue nukes (likely because they compare what happened to Saddam Hussein and Muammar Khadafi, who gave up their nuclear aspirations, to what happened to Kim Jong Un, who did not). If that really is the goal here, it is going to take boots on the ground, lots of them.

That being the case, it does appear that we had a strategy going into this war, and it has failed. Unless possibly the real goal was to massively disrupt the petroleum market, for geostrategic reasons. That is not entirely implausible.

john mosby said...

Hey it worked for the Normans down south. CC, JSM

Jupiter said...

So, why has Althouse Blogspot suddenly started asking to access other devices and applications on my computer?

Achilles said...


Jupiter said...

This war only makes sense if Iranian nukes are a threat to the US.

That is just a really stupid thing to say at all levels.

It is just dumb in so many ways. You need to go back to this because if you follow this thinking branch then everything else you say from there will just be stupid.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

"The Iranians are clearly stronger than expected..."

Their will is stronger than expected... militarily, not so much. In a war, those distinctions have to be made. Otherwise you might come off as giving aid and confort to what is left of the Iranian resistance.

Trump's reaction to the Germans is correct. These people in charge of Europe have an inexplicable soft-spot for the Islamists. Even the English Royals.

boatbuilder said...

"Tell it like it is" may have once been "hip slang", but it's meaning is clear to the meanest understanding, so people (mostly public people) use it.

Howard (not that Howard) said...

"Diminishing influence."

I don't often call people morons, because usually almost anyone has some thinking capacity, but believing that making allies of the entirety of the Gulf except Iran is completely brain-dead.

john mosby said...

The British Royal Family once ruled the largest Muslim empire ever. What with India and Africa and all. Maybe they think they can recapture that past glory if Britain itself becomes Muslim. CC, JSM

narciso said...

I dont that will work out for them

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Jupiter said...
So, why has Althouse Blogspot suddenly started asking to access other devices and applications on my computer?
5/3/26, 12:55 PM

It's the Jews.

FullMoon said...

Maynard said...
Field Marshall Fredo is giving us military advice again. LOL!

Iran is like a boxer who has been knocked out but is still standing, although unable to do anything but stand.You didn’t put me down Ray..

FullMoon said...

And, Joe Frazier vs Jerry Quarry. Quarry on his feet getting slaughtered, Fraier turns to ref with look that says "stop the fight, I don't want to kill him

Christopher B said...

Claiming there is 'no plan' or 'no strategy' gives you an easy out with an accommodating media that avoids asking what yiur own plan would be.

narciso said...

He has just telegraphed hes not worth considering

Tusk is the pomeranian maybe we could used some grom commandoes at the very least

Jupiter said...

"That is just a really stupid thing to say at all levels."
OK, that's helpful. A little vague, but helpful. Can you maybe fill in a few details? Like, if, just hypothetically, Iranian nukes are not a threat to the US, how does this war make sense?

jim said...

"Notice how Merz asserts facts not in evidence: Trump started the war with no strategy."

Yes, we have learned that he many, many war aims and lots, and lots, of strategies. Great.

Bob Boyd said...

Europe better get their act together because who’s going to protect them when the US has to send everything to the Pacific to fight China over Taiwan.
The US is preparing for that almost inevitable war in the following ways, taking away China’s ally in our hemisphere, Venezuela. And by taking away China’s ally and energy source, Iran. And by forcing Europe to confront reality and prepare for their own defense.
All three of these could create big problems and distractions for the US in the event of a war in the Pacific. They could make it so we have to in effect fight a multifront war.
And maybe if we take away these advantages from China, they might reevaluate and we won’t have to fight them over Taiwan at all.

boatbuilder said...

And this "endless" war drags on into its...third month.

Peachy said...

11:51 Bagoh - #that is correct.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

Washington is always the last to get the news.

Peachy said...

"Iran has not agreed to..." - says who?
And who is "Iran"?
The IRGC? NO- The people of Iran ARE Iran.
The IRGC are theocratic mob rule.

Peachy said...

Kak-a-bot(D) brings the kak and the bot.

Rocco said...

Freder Frederson said...
Didn't Trump himself say he was surprised that Iran closed the strait…

No, he did not.

Or do I just live in a different reality?

We are reaching the point where the blind squirrel starts to realize he’s nuts.

Lazarus said...

It's up to those who claim there is an endgame to say and prove what it is, not up to sceptics to prove that there isn't one.

"Jacksonianism" became a thing because Americans wanted to avoid no-win wars. The assumption was that this would lead to fewer wars, but the result seems to be that we are still willing to get into wars if we sound really aggressive about them. The wars are in any case limited, meaning no nukes.

A lot of things get smashed and then ... who knows what's next? Not our problem. Like Isis replacing Saddam or the Taliban replacing ... the Taliban.

Lazarus said...

It would be really cool if Donald Tusk used the Fleetwood Mac song at his rallies.

tcrosse said...

Let me get this straight: travel is a threat to the survival of humanity world-wide, but nuclear weapons in the hands of an Islamic death cult are not? Raising cattle destroys the climate, but nuclear war doesn't?

narciso said...

Thats one way to cool the planet also mutants

Bannedforselfcensorship said...

"The question about the Iranians remains: “What if they just won’t give up?” No matter how irrational it looks, what if they won’t?"

I think everyone is expecting a total and complete win with Iran surrendering like Japan did in WW2.

That is the extreme edge of winning.

What's the worse case? They don't surrender. They keep blocking Hormuz.

Well, Iran has been fighting us for decades already. So "not surrendering" really doesn't change that, does it? OH NO, NOW THEY WILL SUPPORT PROXIES IN LEBANON AND YEMEN. They already were doing that. (The blockade stops a lot of that BTW)

Nuclear arms. We probably have slowed them down. We can watch and see what they do and keep airstriking them.

We can wait and see if any more uprisings occur.

The blockade probably isn't that expensive to run.

The price of oil and gas is the major problem. Well, already the markets and countries have started working on alternatives to the sea route. And also, I think Iran cannot withstand this for years and years and years.

I think we should look at another very highly motivated religious group: the Houthis. After bombing their ports, they eventually became a lot less aggressive. They have fired a desultory missile or two only. We probably are blockading them a bit as well. Food aid is inspected before shipping to them.

So....I'm not sure a blockade going a long time helps a super dead-ender Iran much. If the Strait of Hormuz is that critical, then make some milk toast Obama style deal.

Bannedforselfcensorship said...

BTW, we have mowed the lawn in Iran several times since the 1980's. This is basically what you have to do with people unwilling to come to the peace table. See Gaza. See Houthis.

You mow the lawn and they quiet down for a while.

Peachy said...

Similar to the Collective Democrat Left choosing biological men competing and beating biological women - in all sports ... And allowing hairy men in dresses - undressing your young daughters in the YMCA locker rooms - so too the left side with Islamic Theocracy.

pacwest said...

@Kak
Such a narrow and short term viewpoint. I know you aren't much into looking farther down the road but just in case, IMEC/BRI, BRICS, AA, the Petrodollar (inc. our national debt) The Board of Peace - which should give you a lot of fodder for criticism, and of course China. No nukes is good enough for me, but long term the payoffs from above items is huge if the Iran gambit works out. Take off the TDS blinders for a sec. The risk reward ratio looks like a good, if not necessary bet imo.

Jupiter said...

US officials have stated repeatedly that the strategic reason the US joined Israel in attacking Iran was that "Iran must not get nuclear weapons".
If that attack had somehow rendered it impossible for Iran to obtain nukes, then the attack would have achieved its strategic objective. But that does not appear to be the case. Rather, it appears the plan was that the Iranian regime would either be eliminated, or forced to negotiate away their nuclear program. But that has not happened, and there does not seem to be a plan B. We have hit the tar-baby with everything we have, short of our own nukes. And tar-baby is still set on making some nukes.

Just an old country lawyer said...

The mullahs declared war 47 years ago when they took our embassy and held our people hostage for a year and a half. Nothing they have said or done since has indicated that they have "undeclared" war on us. Previous Presidents have recognized that fact, but it took Trump to actually do something about it. This is the fundamental, original cause of our actions there. To think otherwise, or to insist that the US is humiliated after we have destroyed their military and decimated their political leadership while our military are safe in their bases and on their ships, but Iran is gloriously triumphant while the country is on the point of collapse is to consciously misunderstand reality to the point of derangement, all just to wish the President and the country fail to rid ourselves of this menace. Shame on you.

Quayle said...

What if the objective was to take them down a notch or three militarily? What if the strategy was degrade their ability to project force? everybody keeps making up these grandiose 20th century scenarios of what victory means. Maybe they’re stuck in the past and overthinking this.

Jupiter said...

Look, I take no joy in this mess. I voted for Trump and I will vote for him again should the opportunity present itself. But I think this war serves Israel's interests, not ours. In a recent interview with Tucker Carlson, Mike Huckabee, US ambassador to Israel, was asked about the aspiration of Netanyahu's allies in Israeli politics to claim "Greater Israel", meaning the land between the Nile and the Euphrates, promised to the Hebrews by God in the Old Testament. Huckabee said that “It would be okay if they took it all.” Really? The position of the US government is that Israel is welcome to seize land belonging to Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and maybe even Turkey? Maybe Huckabee is a loose cannon, motivated by an apocalyptic interpretation of Scripture. But no one from the State Department has walked his statement back.

MartyH said...

Jupiter- the entire Middle East has been the “tar baby” for several generations. Between keeping the Soviets out and supporting Israel we have been stuck in the region since the Cold War started. We are in a better position to disengage than ever before. The Abraham accords have brought peace between the Arabs and Israel. The blockade means that Iran’s proxies are starved for cash. Maybe Lebanon will become a functioning country. Again, we are closer to be able to extricate ourselves from the ME than at any point since WW II.

Jupiter said...

"The Abraham accords have brought peace between the Arabs and Israel. The blockade means that Iran’s proxies are starved for cash. Maybe Lebanon will become a functioning country."
The Abraham accords have not resolved the problems of Gaza and the West Bank. The blockade is unlikely to continue for long. And Hezbollah is not going anywhere.

Face facts. The tar-baby is Israel.

chuck said...

The Iranians are currently negotiating with themselves. It's a difficult negotiation, it will be interesting to see if anything comes of it.

Prof. M. Drout said...

The spazz-out over nominal gas prices by doomers seems to be obscuring the somewhat important development that increased energy costs (and continuing uncertainty about same) and the somewhat increased tariffs (and uncertainty surrounding their on-again, off-again nature, extent, and timing) has goes a long way towards destroying China's massive advantages.
The longer it takes for the Iranian regime to cave, the longer those costs and uncertainties persist, the more time the asymmetric cost glacier has to grind down our rivals and motivate the on-shoring of manufactured goods.

Marty said...

Lonejustice says "Iran has not agreed to stop the development of nuclear weapons, has not agreed to stop building ballistic missiles, has not agreed to stop arming its military proxy forces, is still controlled by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard . . ."
LJ, please talk to Indefinitely Extended who says there's no reason for US to be there. Your post makes it clear why we are there although I think IEE is one of those snotty elitists who insulated world lives in a dimension that does not include reality. Besides that, he obviously suffers from TDS and cannot help himself. What do practical realists think will happen if Iran nukes Israel in its avowed effort to eliminate the Jewish State? Why are we expected to ignore 47 years of sponsoring terrorism? What does anyone think will happen if Iran develops true ballistic missiles that can hit anywhere in the world? Why should the world allow Iran to control the international waters in the Strait of Hormuz?

Jim at said...

"The Iranians are clearly negotiating skilfully or very skilfully not negotiating... a whole nation is being humiliated by the Iranian leadership."

As if this asshole has the slightest clue as to what's actually going on.

No different than the fifth-column leftists in the comments here.

MartyH said...

Israel can’t be “the” problem. If Israel were the only problem the Arab states would joining Iran in its attacks. The wall between Gaza and Egypt is 30 feet of razor wire. That’s a reflection on Gazans, not Israelis.

Israel does have a problem on the West Bank that needs to be addressed.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Sorry. I posted a comment here earlier, meant for another post elsewhere.

Rustygrommet said...

Wild Chicken and Aggie
I assure you. The Joint Chiefs have gamed EVERYTHING. Even the current situation has been gamed.
What you need to consider is that if we wanted to, in a matter of hours, Iran could cease to exist as a country. I don't just mean politically, but physically. We could turn every inhabitable inch of the place into a crater.
We are taking our time and being careful so that the civilian population of Iran have something to take control of when their time comes.
"OOOooo. Trump is failing! Haha!" No, son. China is losing.

Peachy said...

Jim at... 3:42
clearly!

Bruce Hayden said...

“ Yes, and foreign debt holders hold veto power over our economy.”

“At some point they will hear you all saying that they should go f themselves. What happens when they decide that maybe the dollar isn't worth owning, nor their US bonds.”

“We are in an economically vulnerable place yet you guys want to pretend being bulls in a China shop.”

Actually, no, they don’t have veto power. In the end, debt is fungible, just as money is. China doesn’t want to buy our debt? Fine, someone else will, and, in the end, China will own less debt, overall, because they put politics above profitability. And the debt holders who put profitability above politics will make more money.

So, why would anyone say something as stupid as what was said there? Because, no doubt, one of our biggest bond holders has political reasons to say that. And who is that? China, of course. They may talk a couple other bond holders to join in. But likely no more. What must be remembered here is that, after Venezia Iran, the country most hurt by this conflict is China. They had been trading their modern arms for discounted oil. Now they can’t do it. Iran can’t ship them the oil and gas, and China can’t ship them weapons. They have gas lines that you can see from orbit and little oil and gas coming in, and certainly not at the discounted prices they were getting from Venezuela and Iran. They are even buying some from us.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“If one is truthful, the only reason we are at war with Iran is Israel and Oil.

LOL!

It is and always has been about China and Lloyds of London.”

All and none. And, oh, nukes, schmooks.

The real, history-changing, goal is the collapse of the Islamic Republic. Yes, it would be nice if Iran reconstituted itself as a liberal-ish democracy, but it isn’t essential. The collapse of the Islamic Republic will tear the heart out of Islamofacism worldwide and give the Persians/Arabs/Pakis ‘n’ Palis a sliver of a chance to start acting like rationalists instead of medievalists. A change that will reverberate for hundreds of years.

John henry said...

Our ancestors fled Europe. All the racism, ethnicisn, nationalism, conquering armies, constant war, famine, lack of freedom. I can't think of anything Europe has that I would want. I can't think of anytning Europe has that most American's would want.

We went to war twice for the Europeans last century. Mainly for a king, though we explicitly do not want any kings over us. We had no dog in the fight either time.

In Part 1, there were many people at the time who thought we were on the wrong side, we should have been on the German side. You didn't hear much of that because it would get you locked up just for saying it.

We should have stayed out. Had we stayed out, there probably never would have been a Part 2 20 years later.

But we got into that from 1939 on, even though Congress never declared war until Dec 41 after the Germans finally, after all of FDR's poking and prodding (invasion of Iceland, Lend-Lease, Sink-On-Sight and so on)

And at great cost we defeated the Germans.

And I guess, since "if we broke it we bought it" we somehow ended up with the tar baby and weve been funding NATO for 80 years now.

I really hope President Trump gets us out of NATO. Let Europe defend itself.

And if they do decide to have a WW Part 3, just count us out. Their circus, their monkey.

John Henry

Achilles said...

Jupiter said...

"That is just a really stupid thing to say at all levels."
OK, that's helpful. A little vague, but helpful. Can you maybe fill in a few details? Like, if, just hypothetically, Iranian nukes are not a threat to the US, how does this war make sense?

Why is all heavy manufacturing done in SE Asia?

I have posted repeatedly what this is about. Just because you don't want to read it is not an argument.

Original Mike said...

"Like, if, just hypothetically, Iranian nukes are not a threat to the US, how does this war make sense?"

Your hypothetical is unsound.

lonejustice said...

President Donald Trump has repeatedly claimed that U.S. strikes "obliterated" Iran's nuclear program. Following strikes on Iranian nuclear sites in June 2025, dubbed "Operation Midnight Hammer," Trump made several public statements regarding the destruction of Iran's capabilities:Initial Claim (June 21, 2025): Trump stated that "Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated". Throughout 2025 and early 2026, Trump continued to assert that he "obliterated" Iran’s "nuclear capacity," "future capability," and "nuclear hopes". He posted on social media that it was his "great honor to Destroy All Nuclear facilities & capability"

Yet Trump then started the current War with Iran in order to destroy their "nuclear facilities & capabilities."

Trump doesn't know what he is talking about.

Achilles said...

John henry said...

And I guess, since "if we broke it we bought it" we somehow ended up with the tar baby and weve been funding NATO for 80 years now.

I really hope President Trump gets us out of NATO. Let Europe defend itself.


I disagree.

There is no reason to let a nuclear armed Europe to become a world power again. It is not so easy as just leaving.

We should occupy them and particularly we must maintain control of the ASML facilities as well as the supply chain for the EUV machines.

People do not seem to understand what really makes their quality of life possible right now.

Achilles said...

lonejustice said...

Yet Trump then started the current War with Iran in order to destroy their "nuclear facilities & capabilities."

Trump doesn't know what he is talking about.


Just because you don't understand him doesn't make his statements wrong.

It just shows that you are stupid.

Achilles said...

Jupiter said...

The Abraham accords have not resolved the problems of Gaza and the West Bank. The blockade is unlikely to continue for long. And Hezbollah is not going anywhere.

Face facts. The tar-baby is Israel.


Gaza is not a problem when Iran is no longer able to ship Hamas weapons.

You really don't think deeply about this do you.

Mark said...

Achilles so desperately wants to be right about this, his relentless posting and insults expose the weakness of his arguments quite clearly.

He is flailing, just like Trump.

Rocco said...

John henry said...
And if [Europeans] do decide to have a WW Part 3, just count us out.

Or as Ilhan Omar would say, World War One Hundred and Eleven.

Jupiter said...

"Israel does have a problem on the West Bank that needs to be addressed."
"Gaza is not a problem when Iran is no longer able to ship Hamas weapons."
Well, good. Glad to see that you guys are watching out for US interests. Thank God we have our stout ally Israel to help us deal with our problems in Gaza and the West Bank. I bet they have a plan, too. Don't they.

Jupiter said...

"You really don't think deeply about this do you."
Well, I have to confess, my thought has not yet penetrated to that inmost recess of meaning where we are bombing Iran to eliminate heavy manufacturing in SE Asia. I'm still stuck out here parsing the administration's remarks about nuclear weapons.

boatbuilder said...

The Abraham accords have not resolved the problems of Gaza and the West Bank.

The big problem regarding Gaza and the West Bank is Iran. You seem to think the problem is Jews. Get your head out of your ass.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

I think it’s hilarious when Achilles conflates analysis with what he wants. 😂

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

"Israel does have a problem on the West Bank that needs to be addressed."

Any path to peace, must account for the existence of Israel and for the actions of Israel. Israel can't be treated like Schrödinger's country. When bad things happen to it, it suddenly emerges and the whole world must be brought to a stop.

However, when it does bad and destructive things to subjects under its control or to other countries it suddenly disappears, and we can't even mention what it has done.

That is the fundamental problem. "Defenders" of Israel may want to maintain this denial for eternity, but reality always has the final word. Even in silence.

Dr Weevil said...

Freder Frederson (11:26am): "War has not been declared. To say otherwise is to deny reality."

So not only can the U.S. not make war unless Congress passes something specifically called "Declaration of War" (the Supreme Court disagrees), the U.S. cannot be at war unless Iran also passes a "Declaration of War", or whatever that would be in Farsi? They have been committing acts of war on the U.S. for 47 year, have said they are doing so, have called it "war" as recently as last December, and have been shouting "Death to America" the whole time, which, combined with the actual acts of war, is absolute proof that they are in fact at war with us, even if many previous presidents have not bothered to fight back. It is not just a denial of reality, but an idiotic denial of reality, to say that that is not so.

Achilles said...

Jupiter said...

"You really don't think deeply about this do you."
Well, I have to confess, my thought has not yet penetrated to that inmost recess of meaning where we are bombing Iran to eliminate heavy manufacturing in SE Asia. I'm still stuck out here parsing the administration's remarks about nuclear weapons.

That puts you and Mark on similar ground intellectually.

You may not have noticed but China is buying Billions of dollars of Oil from the US right now.

People who don't think wont know why that is good for the US.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy said...

Imagine the fun when Trump meets with Xi.

Xi: (barely keeping a straight face) Congratulations on your victory over Iran, Donald. You are the first President to have won the same conflict 40 times.

Trump: Greatest victory ever in history! If only those crazies would open the Strait. I hold all the cards!

Xi: Indeed, you hold so many cards that you have built a house of them. (Xi’s aides double over with suppressed laughter. Trump is oblivious.)

wildswan said...

At the start:
Iran had an Army, Navy and Air Force. It had seven proxies all armed and funded by Iran and these proxies had Israel surrounded and were shooting missiles into Israel, aiming at civilian targets. These proxies threatened that when war broke out they,would rain thousands of missiles down on Israel and this threat was a warning to others in the region to do as Iran wanted or find themselves in the position of the Israelis. Moreover others in the region tended to support Iran as all were Muslim countries.
Now Iran has no Army, Navy or Air Force or leadership or nuclear manufacturing industry. The threatened ring of fire has been neutralized. The other countries in the region are out of sympathy with Iran because of the murder of Iranian protestors and because Iran has bombed everyone in the region. The bombs and missiles were mostly deflected with American technology but the countries Iran attacked have not forgotten the attacks. Finally, the Strait of Hormuz is closed to Iran and the country has lost billions as a result.
Some regard all this as an Iranian victory.
Some think Iran is extending its victory streak with every day that goes by without Iran earning any money from oil due to the blockade.
I support Trump and I get to inhabit reality. We've won a smashing victory which the losers are denying in the hope that the Dems will come in and rescue them somehow, somewhere, sometime as they rescued the North Vietnamese after Tet. But the victory over Iran is final. It's changed the way people see the constellations of power. That can't be unseen, that's makes it final.

Valentine Smith said...

How many SFA teams do you think are on the ground in Iran? now that there is a rabbit, you can pull out of a hat. Army basic training is nine weeks. How long has it been since the beginning of the cease-fire? I highly doubt that Trump is not using every available tactical advantage he can muster in Iran.

Jupiter said...

"People who don't think wont know why that is good for the US."
So, you are saying that the US military is dropping bombs on Iran in order to wreck China's economy, and that's a good thing? What would be a bad thing?

Jupiter said...

"I support Trump and I get to inhabit reality. We've won a smashing victory ...."
We've certainly done a lot of smashing.
You yahoos all know that we could bring the Iranians to their knees by targeting their desalination plants, right? That's where their cities get a lot of their water. Of course, they would then target all their neighbors vulnerable desalination plants. So we'd be looking at tens of millions of people with no fresh water, many of whom live in countries that are "on our side" in this conflict.
This fucking thing is on a dozen knives' edges, and it could go badly wrong in a dozen different ways. And for what? What justifies this level of risk?

Jupiter said...

You guys keep telling me we're winning. What are we winning? Little bobble-head dolls with ribbons? What?

Valentine Smith said...

The original title of the John F Kennedy center for special warfare included both counterinsurgency and guerrilla warfare. I know change is not the stated goal, in fact, Trump stated, explicitly that it was not his goal. But if they don’t surrender, the opportunity presents itself, and it will happen.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Trump has declared that he has won the War with Iran, saying the U.S. military operation in Iran is now completed.”

Kinda closing the Straits was probably a strategic mistake by the Iranians. We used it as an excuse to tighten up our blockade of their country. Now they can’t get their oil out to sell it, and can’t get arms in to shoot at us, Israel, or any other neighbors.

Rustygrommet said...

Jupiter et al. You're missing the point. Because the United States controls the flow of oil from the middle east China is forced to purchase their crude at market prices and pay in dollars. China is in a very precarious position. It has no blue water navy. It has no air force capable of extending their reach more than a few hundred miles and their Yuan can't buy crude. You think this is all about Iran. It isn't. It's about the global balance of power and we are it.
Yes. The meeting with Xi later will be very interesting.

Jim at said...

"War has not been declared. To say otherwise is to deny reality."

So if I were to punch Freder in the face repeatedly for 47 years - and one day he decides to punch back - we're not really in a fight unless one of us declares so?

Bruce Hayden said...

"War has not been declared. To say otherwise is to deny reality."

Which means that there is no Separation of Powers issue. The President just does what they have been doing for 225 years as the Commander in Chief - ordering our military forces into combat. The issue may ultimately be whether the War Powers Act can corral or cabin the President’s CinC power.

pacwest said...

"You guys keep telling me we're winning. What are we winning? Little bobble-head dolls with ribbons? What?"

Several things are on the table.
1. The Petrodollar vs BRICS. Control of Venezuelan and Iranian oil supplies will effectively ensure US dollar dominance. Cheaper financing of debt, stronger assets and investment. Remaining the world currency is a huge advantage for the US.
2.IMEC vs BRI. The Abraham Accords are more about trade deals than peace deals. The Gazans aren't part of the equation. The AA is intended to create trade between Israel and other Mideast countries, and in larger context create the India Mideast Economic Corridor which would be a direct competitor to China's Belt and Road Initiative corridor which uses Iran as the major transit point. IMEC would take considerably less time to transit and would be cheaper. Wins are removing Iran's and China's dominance of affairs in the ME. This should help stabilize relations between participating ME countries, and force China to a more level playing field.
3. The immediate threat of a nuclear armed Iran is obvious, but it creates other problems. If Iran is nuclear Saudia Arabia won't be far behind. And if you think Iran is trying to hold the world hostage by controlling the Straits of Hormuz just wait til they can hold the nuclear threat over everyone's head. Almost unimaginable.

These and secondary effects are the wins/reward side of the equation. The risk side is mainly financial and political. Recessionary pressures and loss of support grow the longer this goes on. Also it is my belief that the long overdue change to global order Trump is enacting would be derailed by a complete failure in Iran, and could leave a mess larger than the one he inherited. It's why I can't entirely discount some of his *critics.

*Have any of you taken a good look at the Board if Peace? King of the World!

Gospace said...

Freder Frederson said...
The declared war is decades old.

War has not been declared. To say otherwise is to deny reality.


Yet a war exists. How? When no nation has declared one?

War also exists between Ukraine and Russia- and neither nation has ever declared was on the other.

I don't recall any declarations of war in Kosovo or Serbia or any of the other wars fought in Europe in my lifetime.

Almost s if they aren't necessary for war to exist. TBH, declarations of war appear to be a relic of a bygone age. An unneeded formality. Wanna start a war? Start one. There are actions that today are still recognized as acts of war. Like, for example, invading sovereign territory of another nation,, for example, an embassy, and taking hostage of the people inside. From that point until a peace treaty is signed war exists.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

"The Iranians are clearly negotiating skilfully or very skilfully not negotiating... a whole nation is being humiliated by the Iranian leadership."

Said Chancellor Friedrich Merz...
Last paragraph of the article: "What Merz has done, through speaking his mind to teenagers in a Sauerland school, is to telegraph to Trump all too clearly how his handling of the Iran war has been seen in European eyes.


What Merz has done is show that he's a strategic ignoramus, and implied that the rest of the EU is run by the same.

Trump is accomplishing his goals, what he isn't doing is accomplishing the EU's goals. That Merz is too stupid to figure out there's a difference is on him

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Freder Frederson said...
War has not been declared. To say otherwise is to deny reality.

One major problem with the Left is their inability to distinguish between words and reality.

The war was started when Iran invaded the US Embassy in Tehran in November of 1979.

Reagan and Bush had the USSR to deal with, so they let it slide.

Bush had 9/11 to deal with, and Iraq to deal with, so he went with those more immediate problems.

The Democrats all worked to help Iran try to dominate the Middle East.

For Trump Iran, in part thanks to the Obama & Biden Admins, is now at the top of the list of problems to deal with, so, much to his credit, he's dealing with it.

Is he doing it how I would? No. I would have the US military spreading AK-47s & ammo all over the cities of Iran, and blanketing their airwaves with calls of people to rise up and kill the IRGC / Basiji.

Trump's a nicer guy than me, and apparently doesn't want mass slaughter, so he's hitting Americans with slightly higher gas prices, and Europeans, Japanese, and Chinese with much higher gas prices, while slowly tightening the screws n the Mad Mullahs.

He's elected President, and I'm not, so he gets to do it his way, and I will wait and watch, cutting him slack and giving him time to either succeed or not.

But anyone who thinks the Iranians are "Winning" right now is a brainless loser

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Jupiter said...
You guys keep telling me we're winning. What are we winning?

Destruction of Iranian nuclear enrichment, destruction of Iranian Navy, destruction of power of the Mad Mullahs outside their borders, destruction of power of the Mad Mullahs inside their borders, elimination of cheap fuel for China, elimination of Chinese client States, humiliation of Chinese military and their claims of parity with the US, destruction of Iranian ballistic missile production / stockpiles.

Those are all things we're are "Winning", which is to say we are farther along with them than we were when Trump took office.

Now, tell us what we're losing, that we value, or should value.

For example: the good opinion of the people running the EU is not something I value, and not something I think anyone should value

Hassayamper said...

What Merz has done, through speaking his mind to teenagers in a Sauerland school, is to telegraph to Trump all too clearly how his handling of the Iran war has been seen in European eyes. Even if the number of troops being withdrawn now is small, that speaks to deep dysfunction at the heart of Nato.

What a stupid analysis. Does this writer really think Trump had no idea how he is perceived by socialist European politicians until being instructed by Merz?

Come on. He cultivates the hatred and fear of the feckless managers of Europe's decline, and wears it as a badge of honor.

Mark said...

Greg, half of your claims are nowhere near achieved.

Also, please add to the list: highest historical price for diesel in Wisconsin. Just in time for soybean planting season.

Hopefully this year Trump doesn't crash the soybean export market with tariffs.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Mark said...
Greg, half of your claims are nowhere near achieved.
No shit, that's why they're "winning", not "won".

But all of them are farther along since Jan 21, 2025, and there's nothing where Iran is actually better off than they were Jan 21, 2025.

That's "winning"

Bruce Hayden said...

“What a stupid analysis. Does this writer really think Trump had no idea how he is perceived by socialist European politicians until being instructed by Merz?”

Why do you think that he cares? I sure don’t, and expect that he doesn’t care either. NATO is a dead man still walking. Why should we protect them, as we have for 80 years, when they won’t spend the money to protect themselves.

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