From "Blue states pitch 100 percent tax on Trump’s ‘anti-weaponization’ payouts/'If you storm the Capitol and you take from this slush fund, too bad, we’re taking it,' one New York lawmaker said" (WaPo).
Why stop at 100%?
31 मई 2026
"The 100 percent tax idea is gaining traction beyond blue strongholds."
"In battleground Wisconsin, Democrats hope to flip the GOP-controlled legislature in the fall and have introduced the No Taxpayer Dollars for Insurrectionists Act.... The states’ strategy of taxing the payouts could face legal challenges. Lawrence Zelenak, a Duke Law School professor with expertise in taxes, noted that the late Supreme Court justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. once said that 'the power to tax is not the power to destroy while this Court sits,' nodding to the tool’s limits."
From "Blue states pitch 100 percent tax on Trump’s ‘anti-weaponization’ payouts/'If you storm the Capitol and you take from this slush fund, too bad, we’re taking it,' one New York lawmaker said" (WaPo).
From "Blue states pitch 100 percent tax on Trump’s ‘anti-weaponization’ payouts/'If you storm the Capitol and you take from this slush fund, too bad, we’re taking it,' one New York lawmaker said" (WaPo).
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Great question.
The Left never rests.
You burned down kenosha and turned waukesha into desth race 2000 are you cereal
Note these are the same places fine with fraud.
The left will never realize that they will win more elections if they are normal, boring and appear competent.
Let’s tax the revenue of ngos that get out the vote and provide social services. There is no end to this tactic
Do we understand that they hate us yet? If not, what will it take? The unbridled, naked contempt can hardly be clearer, although I suspect there will be continuing efforts to "come together," or some such thing. Why any normal American would want to do so is quite beyond me at this point. Limbaugh was prescient on this point when he said he wanted Obama to fail. He was misunderstood, of course as being in favor of the country failing, whereas he was referring to the efforts by the leftists under Obama's leadership to undermine and ultimately replace our constitutional republic with their socialist utopia.
Taxation is theft.
Absolutely agree with non-profit taxation. If it’s not money directly supporting a church parish/congregation and it’s direct community outreach then it’s a business. There should be no such thing as “non-profit.”
I think its quite clear on the subject procurator chisholm reign of terror is clear
Taxation is theft when not equally applied.
During the riots a few years ago, police would arrest them and prosecutors would drop all charges a few hours later. They would make claims their rights were violated, the Biden administration wouldn't fight it, and payments went out. Protestors were back on the street. The protestors didn't get get huge payouts but they were virtually automatic so taxpayers helped fund those riots without even knowing it. Agree or disagree if the funds are appropriate, but it is a "both sides" issue.
One thing the Democrats are masters at is pushing the morons buttons.
Reaction in 3,2,1.
Apart from the "100%" issue, can (and do) governments impose different levels of taxation depending on the source of the income? For example, can a state with a 6% income tax impose a 25% income tax on lottery winnings? I know there's regular income vs. capital gains, but I thought all regular income was basically treated the same.
Anyway, this is another example of leftists thinking up some clever new scheme to achieve their totalitarian goals and not realizing that the same scheme can just as easily be used against them (see, e.g., gerrymandering, admitting new states, court-packing).
This is where warlock tried to put electors in jail for thought crime (and the peanut loved it)
I forget his name (does it matter)
As gimmicks go, it's not very good. I think a simple "Why don't you tax congressional capital gains at 100% too" is what I would ask someone who advocated this.
The bar should be abruptly raised on qualifying for tax-exempt status, especially those organizations that the DataRepublican has already identified as politically active.
100% taxation on a settlement, now there's a concept that will land home on the average citizen. Hey let's start a story that this will apply to lottery winnings, too, and gambling hauls. Smart move, Democrats. Smart.
I would think the electoral success of this maneuver would depend on how buyers think of this fund. I can envision a Republican campaign ad: pick a very sympathetic victim of the government, NOT a J6 participant who engaged in the riot. Have that person describe what the government did to her, and reveal that this find will provide her some recompense. Show the viewers this or that Democrat vowing to punish her AGAIN.
Doesn’t the name of the proposed legislation, “No Taxpayer Dollars for Insurrectionists Act,” describe itself as a bill of attainder? Especially since no one was actually charged with the offense.
Of course I meant voters, not buyers.
They were mostly lying the capitol 4 and a host of others
Doesn’t the name of the proposed legislation, “No Taxpayer Dollars for Insurrectionists Act,” describe itself as a bill of attainder? Especially since no one was actually charged with the offense.
Sounds right to me.
"Doesn’t the name of the proposed legislation, “No Taxpayer Dollars for Insurrectionists Act,” describe itself as a bill of attainder? Especially since no one was actually charged with the offense."
They're bills of attainder regardless of their titles. They're so obviously unconstitutional, I predict at least two federal circuit court 3-judge panels and at least one full federal circuit court panel will uphold them. What the Supreme Court does will depend on whether Roberts can get Barrett to join him in his patented avoid the pertinent issue bob-and-weave.
The internet informs me that “gaining traction” is both grammatically correct and widely understood in English, especially in business, media, and political contexts but the best I can do is imagine a steam locomotive on wet tracks starting to move or else the process of gaining traction is more or less instantaneous.
federal can simply claw back any money the states confiscate…
A duke law professor is that the most useless thing
If states do this, does that mean that they could confiscate any reparations monies paid out in the future?
Seems unworkable. So it’s the ideal leftist solution.
Do you know how many BLM rioters got settlements from Biden DOJ?
The one screen two movies thing is turning out to be the smash hot of the summer. While the left salivates over confiscation of wealth and the popularity thereof helping them win back government over on the other side of the aisle they’re racking up government control by unraveling unconstitutional districts and aren’t sweating running against a vegan in Txas and a literally labelled Nazi in Maine..:
This is straight up unconstitutional on its face- they are bills of attainder which even the states are no longer allowed to enact.
If I'm out running in the state park on a dirt and sand path and the soil starts to slip out from under my running shoes as I go up a "hill" (we don't have real hills here in SE FL), as I regain my footing on sturdier soil, am I "gaining traction"?
If the FWB gives up on pushing my wandering hand away during what I describe as "a romantic interlude", am I "gaining traction"? Enquiring minds want to know.
How about we tax attorneys who are ambulance chasers 100% on their fees? You know, the ones who put up billboards with a smiling (almost always black) person who just got between $450,000 - $1 Million??
After NY passed a Bill of Attainder that allowed E Jean Carroll to sue Trump no one has heard a peep from all the Constitutional “experts” who are available 24/7/365 to opine on every Trump move as unconstitutional.
One of my biggest gripes with non-profits today is the amount of money earned by their administrators. It's non-profit in name only. Many are getting hefty salaries for it. From AI: "The CEO of the Susan G. Komen Foundation, Paula Schneider, had a total compensation of $688,812 ($658k base salary and $31k in other compensation) in the most recently available Form 990. This data reflects the fiscal year ending in March 2025.For comparison, her total compensation was $977,000 in the 2024 fiscal year and $916,000 in 2023. You can review the organization's public filings and executive compensation reports directly on ProPublica's Nonprofit Explorer."
I know it was not entirely this way, but many non-profits "back in the day" were run by retired male business executives who took no compensation or just expenses. Who did it to benefit society. Tax non-profits salaries at 100% if they exceed 10 or 20 percent of their net income (or some such number - I dunno)
>Eric the Fruit Bat said...
The internet informs me that “gaining traction” is both grammatically correct and widely understood in English<
"Garnering support" would have, of course, been so much better...
The unbelievable thing is that anyone still believes that there was an Insurrection 1/6/21 at the Capital. It was a setup, from Day One, between Nancy Pelosi, and elements of the FBI. The Biden/Garland DOJ joined in later.
We have known for 5 1/2 years now that the 2020 election was stolen, how it was done, and a lot of the participants. This gave the Presidency and the Senate to the Democrats, who did the stealing. Millions of those on the defrauded side were, very reasonably, upset, if not irate. And a small number of them came to DC to peaceably demonstrate and protest the theft.
It’s taken Trump being reelected in 2024 and a lot of hard investigatory work, to figure out what happened that day, because the FBI and the Biden/Garland DOJ lied and cheated so extensively for four years. Many, if not most, of the prosecutions were dishonest and unethical,, if not illegal. Significant facts were kept from the public and the defendants. Many of them were tried using fraudulent facts and bogus legal theories. And defendants were kept in the deplorable DC jail for months, even years, with no bail or bail hearings. The victims of this are the targets of Trump’s settlement.
By now, there is significant evidence of the government fraud behind the “Insurrection”. It took 5 years to get the FBI to admit that they had 274 plainclothes agents at the capital that day. Combined with the Capital Police, that accounts for almost every gun at the Capital that day. Combined with several dozen (often paid ) FBI CIs and provocateurs, it was a massive FBI operation. Massive. Hidden from the public and the courts for over 5 years, as many of the victims of this fraud languished in jail or went to prison. FBI agents have to document everything, and the FBI FD 302s from that day, and from subsequent investigations, no doubt, will turn out to contain a gold mine of incriminating evidence - hidden by the FBI lying about how many agents they had at the Capital that day.
Some other parts of the conspiracy. The Intelligence Community knew about what was going to happen on 1/6. They knew about the busses of AntiFA provocateurs who were going. To be there, and likely who was going to fund them. They had meetings, and sent out memos. But not everyone knew. Kept out of the loop were the Capital Police and to a great extent Trump and his White House. SOP for this sort of thing is local/federal cooperation and coordination. Nope. Not this time. 274 FBI agents, and no federal/local command post or communications.
Does that also include 100% percent taxes on all universities and colleges every time they support their violent transurrectionists, antifa, and Hamas dipshits?
Asking for a friend.
Wasn’t the E. Jean Carroll legislation an ex post facto law, not a bill of attainder, that was still constitutional because it did not involve criminal law, only the statute of limitations on civil liability?
A 100% tax is confiscation, which would (in addition to being a bill of attainder) violate the takings clause.
Does the prohibition on "Bills of Attainder" apply to the President? Obama killed dozens of American citizens abroad and he did so without passing any sort of bill or engaging in any sort of judicial trial. Aren't these killings "attainders."
His supporters attack the capital; he gives blanket pardons to all of these criminals and now, he wants to create a fund with taxpayer money to give the insurrectionists a financial payout but somehow the conversation focuses on criticizing Democrats?? Wow.
"Somehow"
Most were teargassed by capitol police some were shot their skulls were crushed some committed suicide in the local equivalent of the castle if (montecristo)
So much of the story is wrong because the press omitted hige tranches of it, not reviewed the thousands of hours of video but look vogon nadler and commie nutcase raskins word for it
It always amazes me how hatefilled and scummy most liberals are. Out of the one thousand J6ers who were arrested and punished, maybe 100 "stormed the capital" and fought with the C.P. The other 900 just walked into the capital and walked around. Many of them spent 1 year or more in jail.
These people deserve a $10 million payout.
we should take this idea, and Run with it.
how about: 100% tax rates for all people in the following states?
California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Pennsylvannia, Virginia, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Delaware, and Rhode Island?
i mean.. WHY NOT?
Aa legit as gaza hospital stories
BTW, I just read two oral histories of J6, one by a CNN reporter which gives the House Democrats side. The other book focuses in on the Senators and Pence. Niether has a single comment from anyone who was in Trump White house or a J6er.
Both books push the same lying narrative, Pelosi Pence and the legislators were noble brave heroes with help from the CP and "saved democracy" and faced down a violent bloodthristy mob.
The Uniparty establishment wants to punish Trump supporters and will never stop lying.
Lets put a 100 percent tax on any money given to Politicians and consultants by Big Donors. That's the only way to get reform.
Julie kelly is the only one with the receipts if you burned all the bogus books you could have a lot of kindling
This tax idea is interesting. Don't outlaw abortion, just tax the clinics and the doctors 100 percent. dont outlaw porn and MJ - just tax it 100 percent. I'm sure the liberals will love that.
Congress would vote to cut their own gravy train
Another thing: tax anyone who provides Israel with bombs and napalm 100 percent. Same with war criminals like Netenyahu, if they have US earnings. No money off dead babies.
Isn't it incredible how all the D's - state, local, federal, all march in lockstep and push the same action and/or idea? Meanwhile, the Republicans cant even get their legislators in various states to redistrict so we hold the House. Or pass voting reforms. what possible reason can their be for this? Its crazy. By comparison to the D's - the R's are just an unorganized collection of selfish individuals.
Sigh you cant fix stupid
Soros grsvy train augmented by neville singham
I cannot wait until Republicans turn this back on learing centers and medicaid.
Tax the revenue states make from property taxes at 100%.
When will they its been a year
This is how Trump got elected and don’t put it past the Democrats to blow their golden opportunity by appealing to their most partisan voters and overplaying their hand.
"One of my biggest gripes with non-profits today is the amount of money earned by their administrators. It's non-profit in name only."
I donate to an animal rescue that is a non-profit organization. Nobody gets a salary, it's run by people who volunteer their time and everything is paid for by donations.
*That's* a non-profit, not these organizations that pay six-figure salaries to people who would be lucky to find a job paying $40k/year doing honest work.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander... if this is left to be legal red states can tax anyone that comes in from the Blue states to escape... say 50% tax to move to Texas... or Florida. 100% tax if you are Somali...
Bruce Hayden said...
The unbelievable thing is that anyone still believes that there was an Insurrection 1/6/21 at the Capital. It was a setup, from Day One, ...
And I have very clear memories that some very sane people on the conservative side were warning people NOT to go to D.C. on 1/6/21 because it was a set up. A set up for exactly what wasn't known because we didn't have the plans, but it was obvious before the date arrived that something was going to happen, and it was being planned.
Just like the riots today. With dumps of bottled water and first aid supplies pre-placed for the convenience of rioters. Haven't seen any pics of brick piles the last few days unlike some previous "spontaneous" riots, but wouldn't be surprised if those pics appear. There's conspiracies afoot.
"Why stop at 100%?"
Now you're thinking outside the box!
"It was a setup, from Day One ..."
"I donate to an animal rescue that is a non-profit organization. Nobody gets a salary, it's run by people who volunteer their time and everything is paid for by donations."
OK, I'll be that guy. Why exactly should the business that enables your hobby be tax-free, while the businesses that enable my hobbies get taxed?
Wait, wait! I know the answer!
Cute li'l fuzzy animals is why!
Here's Loser MikePence talking about the weaponization fund to help J6ers and others who had their lives destroyed by the Biden DOJ:
"Well look, I think that the weaponization fund, it’s a bad idea from the start.. I mean, it’s deeply offensive to me that you could have a fund that could even possibly compensate people who assaulted police officers or vandalized the Capitol on January 6th. And I think that’s broadly held by most Republicans and most Americans."
Leaving aside that its NOT "broadly held" by Republicans, it just shows what a heartless, immoral scumbag "Christian" Mike Pence is. Fewer than 10 percent of the J6ers were involved in any sort of violence. But Pence is the same asshole that loves killing Russians in the Ukraine, Arabs in Gaza, and Iranians. He also supports Israeli warcrimes. But y'know Mike "reads his Bible". LOL.
Could this be considered a "takings" under the Constitution? After all, the people being taxed are getting no civic benefit from the new tax. It's tax as political punishment.
"The "Tax Takings" Exception: The government exceeds its taxing power and commits a taking if it extracts wealth disproportionately or confiscates specific funds or assets in a way that goes beyond ordinary"
Pence keeps getting these book contracts, which no one buys or reads, as a payoff for being a good little soldier for the Globalist uniparty. Fortunately, nobody gives two fucks what he says about anything, other than few Fox News viewers and neo-cons.
The Left is going to punish t hose MAGA Kulaks. Of course if you want to see real insurrection just go look at the various "mostly peaceful" but violent protests against ICE.
I think the whole "gun control" argument is rapidly losing any force, since it's patently obvious that the "Why would you need a gun to protect yourself from our peaceful government!" idea is gone. Republicans know that Democrats want to go full Stalin.
I want a 100% tax on ICE antifa thugs.
Pence is johnny one note he also lied about michael flynn
All ICE watch chapters and participants must be sued and pay a 100% tax on any income for the rest of their pathetic vile insurrectionist lives.
not that they have income. losers that they are.
Could this be considered a "takings" under the Constitution?
Doubtful, but it’s almost certainly a bill of attainder, which is explicitly prohibited in the Constitution.
“There is no end to this tactic”
Exactly. It is so rich in ways to attack the Progs that the Donks suggesting it must know that the courts won’t allow it. Just red meat for the frozen chosen.
I'd probably be ok with a 100% tax on the income of any person who belongs to any group who is violent in congress.... how many leftists who scream and assault people in Congress would be affected? Every donor to Planned Parenthood, the ACLU... seizing all their income? Sure, why not? Isn't that what the left wants, to tax everyone who is violent in the Sacred Hall of Our Democracy?
Many were cut off by usaid but there are more funding channels
as seen on X:
"The fact that we are having a hard time throwing America a 250th birthday party because leftists are threatening to kill everyone involved is the most zeitgeist shit I’ve ever seen in my life."
Just a reminder:
Democratic presidential popular vote totals:
2016: 65,788,564
2020: 81,283,501
2024: 75,019,682
Republican presidential popular vote totals:
2016: 62,984,828
2020: 74,223,975
2024: 77,303,568
“The Democrat vote increased by 23.6% between 2016 and 2020, but decreased 7.7% in 2024. That is a huge discrepancy that simply cannot be reconciled with candidate popularity, population shifts, voter rolls being purged (spoiler: they weren't), or any other explanation that does not recognize massive cheating via the use of fake ballots that did not correspond to registered voters. That's why some precincts reported more than 100% turnout. That's why vote counting was suspended, then restarted after those fake ballots were inserted into the counting process.”
You know right
Andy Ngo on X: "A reminder that the start of the violence outside Delaney Hall in Newark a week ago occurred with Antifa's arrival." / X https://share.google/9pExOXVhgEBHmm3bv
There's no way this is constitutional, not least because it's effectively an extrajudicial punishment for pardoned crimes. If the President pardons you for a federal crime, then the Feds compensate you, the States can't reimpose punishment. The States would have to charge residents with a state crime and convict them, an impossibility for something that happened in the District of Columbia.
Let's give a big round of applause to Dunham who has shown up to prove me right.
"OK, I'll be that guy."
I'm not sure I understand your point.
The people who volunteer their time to the group I mentioned do it for free. I know- I used to be one of them and I know several others. Presumably, donations of food and supplies were taxed when they were originally purchased and as far as monetary donations that are spent for food, supplies and services go, taxes are paid when those expenses are paid for Some transportation costs are absorbed by volunteers and those that aren't, are taxed at the pump. Whatever money the group has in its checking account is used for expenses as noted above, none of it goes to volunteers or is left over as "profit" to be distributed later.
What is it that's not already being taxed are you bothered by?
Genuine non profits are not the problem
The States would have to charge residents with a state crime and convict them
Which would constitute bills of attainder, explicitly prohibited by the Constitution.
It’s not surprising that people who believe in no power higher than themselves would be unfamiliar with forgiveness.
I, for one, suggest that Trump agree the settlement is improper, and go for the $10,000,000,000 he sued for originally. Then win his open and shut lawsuit, take 20% of that reward, and gift it to whoever he wants, without government oversight.
“The fact that we are having a hard time throwing America a 250th birthday party because leftists are threatening to kill everyone involved is the most zeitgeist shit I’ve ever seen in my life."
You have to have something in common, some shared history, with those around you to want to celebrate. People don’t really expect tens of millions of recent new/foreign “citizens”, the kind of people who elect Zamdanis and Omars and Jayapals and Ramaswamys and Castros and Padillas and Aguilars and Lieus and Mengs and Takanos to feel any connection to the founding stock of this nation, do they? To feel any connection to principles and ideas they had no part in pledging their sacred honor to? It’s laughable to think so.
You'll notice that the same R Senators and Congressmen who are upset at the "Weaponization Fund" because it might go to those horrible J6ers, said very little about BLM and Antifa in 2020. They're just cowards and amoral scum.
When they found out Biden's DOJ had been wiretapping R Senators, they didn't get to work on a bill to stop the practice or to punish the Garlands DOJ employees, they just slipped in a Reconcilation admendment giving themselves a $500K payout!
RCOCEAN II said...
Here's Loser MikePence talking about the weaponization fund to help J6ers and others who had their lives destroyed by the Biden DOJ:
"Well look, I think that the weaponization fund, it’s a bad idea from the start.. I mean, it’s deeply offensive to me that you could have a fund that could even possibly compensate people who assaulted police officers or vandalized the Capitol on January 6th. And I think that’s broadly held by most Republicans and most Americans."
Leaving aside that its NOT "broadly held" by Republicans, it just shows what a heartless, immoral scumbag "Christian" Mike Pence is. Fewer than 10 percent of the J6ers were involved in any sort of violence. But Pence is the same asshole that loves killing Russians in the Ukraine, Arabs in Gaza, and Iranians. He also supports Israeli warcrimes. But y'know Mike "reads his Bible". LOL.
It is fair to say that Mike Pence is even more despicable than Mitt Romney or John McCain or Mitch McConnell at this point.
He is a truly loathsome human being.
Once upon a time, you could count on some state or its Attorney General not to go along with such nonsense. Now they all goose-step in formation. I'm waiting for some Democrat AG to put his or her foot down and not give in to the nonsense.
Lot of interesting comments and I’m seeing a dynamic that seems to jump off throughout this page. It’s not any specific claim but rather the information ecosystem on full display.
You have people confidently asserting all of the following in the same discussion: 2020 election was definitively stolen, J6 was primarily an FBI operation, Pelosi orchestrated the event, FBI had 274 agents at the Capitol, Antifa organized the violence, 1000s of innocent people were jailed on fabricated evidence, Democrats are preparing Stalinist confiscation, Leftists are threatening to murder participants in America's 250th birthday celebration, the Biden DOJ wiretapped Republican senators and Congress secretly gave themselves $500,000 payouts, and Democrats gained 16 million fraudulent votes in 2020.
Many of those claims are either unsupported, contradicted by available evidence, or rely on speculation being presented as established fact.
Notice several recurring patterns:
1. Assertion replaces evidence.
Bruce Hayden writes:
"We have known for 5 1/2 years now that the 2020 election was stolen..."
Not "I believe."
Not "there is evidence suggesting.”
"We have known."
That's a remarkable level of certainty about something that has failed repeatedly in courts, recounts, audits, and investigations.
The confidence itself becomes evidence.
2. Every contrary fact becomes part of the conspiracy.
If courts reject the claim, courts are corrupt. If the FBI disagrees, the FBI is involved. If journalists disagree, the press is covering it up. If Republicans disagree, they're part of the "Uniparty."
This creates a self-sealing belief system. There is literally no possible evidence that can falsify it.
3. Emotional certainty outruns factual certainty.
Look at the language: "loathsome human being", "immoral scumbag", "heartless", “traitors", "kulaks", "Stalin", "war crimes", and "globalist uniparty”.
The emotional conviction is often far stronger than the evidentiary foundation.
4. The discussion quickly abandons the original topic.
The original issue is whether a state can impose a 100% tax on a specific category of settlement recipients.
That's actually an interesting constitutional question involving taxation, equal protection, bills of attainder, and potentially the Takings Clause.
But within a few dozen comments, the discussion becomes: election fraud, Antifa, BLM, immigration, Mike Pence, Ukraine, Israel, nonprofits, Soros, and gun rights.
The original legal question almost disappears.
Once the conversation moves away from verifiable facts and into identity and tribe, the factual dispute becomes secondary.
5. Contradictions don't matter if they support the same tribe.
For example:
Some commenters argue taxation is theft. Others advocate 100% taxes on abortion clinics, nonprofits, donors, universities, immigrants, Medicaid revenue, or blue-state residents. The inconsistency isn't really the point. The point is that the proposed tax is seen as harming their side, while the counterexamples harm the other side. The principle becomes secondary to the target. What’s most revealing is Dunham's comment:
"His supporters attack the capital; he gives blanket pardons... somehow the conversation focuses on criticizing Democrats??"
Whether one agrees with Dunham or not, he's one of the few commenters actually discussing the underlying issue.
Almost everyone else immediately pivots to grievances, conspiracies, or hypothetical retaliation.
That tells something important about the conversation's function. It isn't primarily a discussion of policy or constitutional law. It's a discussion of identity, loyalty, and team membership.
When belonging becomes more important than accuracy, claims that would ordinarily require extraordinary proof are accepted with little scrutiny if they reinforce the group's worldview. That's the reoccurring dynamic jump I’m talking about.
Yes the ones who sanctioned the stolen election who let cities who let cops pile up like kindling those are the aame people pushing this gambit
Yes the ones who sanctioned the stolen election who let cities who let cops pile up like kindling those are the aame people pushing this gambit
Bruce Hayden 12:15
Thank you for the reminder.
The dopey free-association of political anxieties here rivals any AWFL white-wine klatch.
If the left wasn't trying to start a civil war, just what would they be doing differently?
They celebrate terrorists like freed and good they hope to provoke another kamikazi scotsman
"The internet informs me that “gaining traction” is both grammatically correct and widely understood in English, especially in business, media, and political contexts but the best I can do is imagine a steam locomotive on wet tracks starting to move or else the process of gaining traction is more or less instantaneous."
I'm guessing you don't live in snow country.
His supporters attack the capital; he gives blanket pardons to all of these criminals and now, he wants to create a fund with taxpayer money to give the insurrectionists a financial payout but somehow the conversation focuses on criticizing Democrats?? Wow.
Maybe if you took the time to learn about what actually happened that day - and the weeks, months and years after - you wouldn't be here asking stupid questions.
Note the leftists here categorically refuse to deal with the counterfactual "We want to tax the Jan 6 people who attacked the capitol!" And we on the right say "The people who attacked the captiol were FBI agents and Antifa provecuers. But you leftists jailed the grannies who the cops led on a guided tour instead." Not a single leftist, including RJW, ever deals with that. It's always, but always "Jan 6 REEEEEE! jail/fine/execute anyone who disagrees that Joe Biden won with zero shenanigans and fake ballots and how dare anyone ever, ever question it!!!!!!" This entire tax is meant to punish and hurt anyone who challenges the Democrat narrative: That Joe "won" the election instead of cheated. And now the Democrats are proposing state level confiscation to punish people who protested. The violent FBI agents, the bussed in Antifa people? They are never punished in Democrat world. Just the people who disagree with RJW.
Google AI re: US Constitution: Bill of Attainder: Article I, Section 9 (prohibiting federal bills) and Section 10 (prohibiting state bills) forbid the passage of any law that legislatively determines guilt and inflicts punishment upon an identifiable individual or group without the safeguards of a judicial trial.
You have people confidently asserting all of the following in the same discussion: 2020 election was definitively stolen, J6 was primarily an FBI operation, Pelosi orchestrated the event, FBI had 274 agents at the Capitol, Antifa organized the violence, 1000s of innocent people were jailed on fabricated evidence, Democrats are preparing Stalinist confiscation, Leftists are threatening to murder participants in America's 250th birthday celebration, the Biden DOJ wiretapped Republican senators and Congress secretly gave themselves $500,000 payouts, and Democrats gained 16 million fraudulent votes in 2020.
Many of those claims are either unsupported, contradicted by available evidence, or rely on speculation being presented as established fact.
"Assertion replaces evidence."
Some serious projection from our resident fabulist.
Take out the weasel adjectives ("definitively," "primarily"), which of those claims specifically are unsupported, contradicted, or rely on speculation?
You use a broad brush to create straw men. Weasel.
Why don't you address the "Bill of attainder " argument, Weasel, since that is what Althouse and most of the commenters are actually talking about?
No, they didn't put J6 protesters in jail because they "questioned the election results" they put them in jail because they were Trump supporters. They'd have loved to have put 100,000 Trump supporters in jail, if they could.
And they tried to put Trump in jail and almost did it. And then laughed when some asssassin shot him.
"boatbuilder said...
Why don't you address the "Bill of attainder " argument, Weasel, since that is what Althouse"
Where does Althouse address this argument on this this discussion?
I'll wait.
Ward, give it a fucking rest. Anyone with half a brain, so that excludes libs, knows the election was stolen.
Move
Ward, give it a fucking rest. Anyone with half a brain, so that excludes libs, knows the election was stolen.
Which is why Trump being re-elected - overwhelmingly - is such beautiful karma.
If they hadn't stolen the damn thing, Trump would've had an ineffective second term, would already off the stage and they'd probably have the White House right now.
Instead, he's shitting in their breakfast every day and will continue to do so until he fills out his term. Or they kill him.
It really is a bitch, isn't it?
“You have people confidently asserting all of the following in the same discussion: 2020 election was definitively stolen, J6 was primarily an FBI operation, Pelosi orchestrated the event, FBI had 274 agents at the Capitol, Antifa organized the violence, 1000s of innocent people were jailed on fabricated evidence,…¨
If the 2020 election wasn’t stolen, explain the massive vote total jump for senile Biden over Crooked Hillary and Kamala Harris. Add in shutting down counting in most of these swing states, removing Republicans from the counting, then restarting counting, after hundreds of thousand Dem votes miraculously appearing as a result.
I didn’t say that “J6 was primarily an FBI operation”. But with 274 undercover agents there that day, they were a major player. My guess is that much of the civilian side of the Intelligence Community was involved, but the FBI was the agency that could do something legally.
As for Pelosi - she had her daughter follow her around that day with a video camera. She repeated refused the requests by the Capital Police to request the National Guard. And her people cherry picked the video that was given to the FBI and DOJ.
Of course AntiFA instigated violence. Thats what they do. They routinely instigated with the BLM riots. They would go to the entrance of a business, break the glass, extort everyone around them to enter and loot it, then wander off to do it again, without entering themselves. We knew that they were bussed in, but this was confirmed this spring with the investigation of the J6 protesters.
A better explanation about the evidence in the J6 cases was that was seriously cherry picked, and not, really, that it had been fabricated. Lying by omission. And we found out ah month or two ago that the FBI had couple dozen CIs in the crowds, many, if not most of them provacatours. This weekend we found out that significant evidence had been suppressed by the FBI to protect the identity of its Human Assets there that day. The prosecutors violated the Brady rights of many of the J6 defendants in this way.
“ Many of those claims are either unsupported, contradicted by available evidence, or rely on speculation being presented as established fact.”
"Assertion replaces evidence."
“Some serious projection from our resident fabulist.”
If you think about it, those points are essentially contradictory. Why? Because you know that I have been making these arguments here at Althouse for years. You argue as if this were the first time you heard this, but then essentially call what I say to be fables, which implies that you have repeatedly read what I posted, and disagreed with it.
Here is the reality. You are the fabulist. You take the leftist Dem line, its story, regardless of evidence to the contrary. You dismiss the facts that I bring out as fables, because you won’t address them on their own merits.
Here is part of what you so studiously avoid - in the last 5 1/2 years, the evidence against anything approaching a clean election or a J6 plot have continued to grow, most recently into a flood. Why? Because Trump put certain people in certain places in his Administration in order to drag this sort of evidence out. Dan Bongino went in as FBI DD primarily to dig out the internal FBI perfidious about RussiaGate.
And Harmeet Dhillon as Civil Rights AAG (now acting DAG), to dig out 2020 election fraud. With AG Bondi leaving the DOJ, Now the 2nd most powerful person in the department. Why her? Because she was the Trump attorney who won AZ for him in 2024, by preventing nearly as much cheating there than the Dems had engaged in, in 2020 and 2022. Because she understands election laws and election cheating better than almost anyone. She knew where to look there (AZ) and GA, and has. In GA, it took an armed FBI raid, but they carted a semi or so of original election material, including ballots, their provenance, tally tapes, etc, out of where it had been stored in GA. And in both states, found exactly what they expected - massive 2020 federal election fraud. In each, at least 1/3 of a million ballots or missing ballots, that shouldn’t legally have been counted, but were.
The good news is that while most, if not almost all, of the 2020 election fraud cases were dismissed on Standing grounds, the Supreme Court ruled a couple months ago that candidates do have Standing to sue for election irregularities.
And I have very clear memories that some very sane people on the conservative side were warning people NOT to go to D.C. on 1/6/21 because it was a set up. A set up for exactly what wasn't known because we didn't have the plans, but it was obvious before the date arrived that something was going to happen, and it was being planned.
I warned my hot-headed son not to go and will always be thankful he took my advice.
Just bring in negative state and local tax deduction and let the entire federal tax burden fall on high tax states.
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