Writes Marc A. Thiessen in "Trump is 14 days from decisive victory in Iran/The regime won’t deal and the blockade alone won't break it. Only military action will" (WaPo).
ADDED: Elsewhere in WaPo, there's "What will happen when the clock strikes 60 days on Trump’s war/Clinton's precedent will allow Trump to keep fighting Iran without congressional approval."
That's by Stephen Rademaker, "a senior counsel at the law firm Covington & Burling, was an assistant U.S. secretary of state from 2002 to 2006."
The 60-day mark is tomorrow, but:
Every president since the resolution’s enactment in 1973 has considered its “60-day clock” unconstitutional, and no president has conceded that he was bound by it. Meanwhile, a clear pattern has emerged in Congress when presidents disregard the clock: Members of the opposing political party solemnly accuse those presidents of lawlessness, while most members of the president’s own party look the other way....
So how have presidents from both parties justified using force overseas for more than 60 days in instances where the clear language of the War Powers Resolution forbids it?
The Clinton administration clearly spelled out the rationale in 1993 when its military deployment in Somalia morphed from a peacekeeping mission into an operation aimed at suppressing rogue militias and hunting down warlords.... [T]he contention was that as soon as the shooting stopped, the clock reset, only to be started and then reset again the next time shooting broke out for a limited period of time. Using this rationale, the Clinton administration continued the deployment of combat forces in Somalia from the outbreak of hostilities there on June 5, 1993, until the final withdrawal on March 25, 1994 — a total of 293 days....
Variations of this analysis were relied on by Clinton again for his 78-day Kosovo conflict in 1999, as well as by President Barack Obama for his 226-day aerial campaign in Libya in 2011....
Trump should have little trouble relying on these precedents to argue that his war against Iran need not abide by the 60-day clock. Combat against Iran truly has been intermittent, given the ceasefire that Trump announced on April 7 — 38 days after the war began....

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The Iranian regime is not going to surrender, and we are not going to kill them all. Which means that President Trump has punched the tar-baby, good and hard. And now Netanyahu is shouting "You've got him down! Kick him!"
Nah. Keep the blockade and let the leadership kill each other.
America is winning this war, despite the reporting and the facts on the ground. Those of us that love our country will pay any amount for gas and groceries if it means that America is great again.
MAGA!
I’m no military strategist but wouldn’t waiting to have what’s left of the regime reconstitute itself and start running its mouth make it easier to finish them off?
Trump’s in big political trouble. What’s new?
The war might be essential for national security, but it’s destroying the GOP’s chances in the midterms. Unless Trump turns this around, he’s just headed for another impeachment. Before the war, gas was down to $2.75. It’s now at $4.15.
The first two weeks was the drawing. The blockade is the near fatal hanging, and the coming military action is the quartering.
In case people have forgotten, there hasn’t been much “war” for the past few weeks, so it’s not like there’s a big rush for the US to take immediate action. Let the Iranian regime keep suffering until things start falling apart from within (which is already happening).
How many drone strikes flew from Iran today? How many missile strikes can from Iran today? This week?
https://missilestrikes.com/live
If we are able to create a system of military escorts for friendly ships through the Strait, Iran will no longer have leverage. I don't know enough about military logistics to know whether that is possible, especially given US abhorrence of US casualties.
In my school days I always wondered why the copperheads, McClellan, and Douglass wanted to cave to the South in the Civil War. But now I know, for political power. It’s better to rule a weak nation than to be the opposition in a strong powerful one.
Shouting Thomas correctly says: "Before the war, gas was down to $2.75. It’s now at $4.15." Since the average American adult driver consumes approximately 6.8 to 12.5 gallons of gasoline weekly, the war is costing that person something in the range of $15 a week. What a crushing burden!
Trump has, in my opinion, been very compassionate to the Iranian people, and has considerably held back on the types of things that could bring this war to a quick conclusion - bombing oil wells, destroying Kharg Island, taking out all of the bridges and other transport infrastructure, etc. - in an attempt to leave a viable, non-stone age country for the people when this all ends. Not sure if this will work or not, but the underlying motivation is definitely compassion, which the Left will never acknowledge.
This has to end, look at all the Learing Centers we could be establishing in Minnesota warehouses.
The Democrats want this to go badly. They need it to go badly. They have a long history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The battle is between the interests of the U.S. and the free world versus the interests of the Left and their precious fraud networks. Millions of foolish Americans support the enemies of the world simply because it's Trump fighting them. Unfortunately, we are stuck with that.
"''' the underlying motivation is definitely compassion..."
Nothing else explains it. We have what we need to completely destroy the place, and we could end this if Trump put that above all else. He is sacrificing political capital (lots of it) to save and free the Iranian people, and the Democrats are doing the exact opposite.
Hopefully the American people will see this.
Having a detailed plan for a war and executing it is for pussy-ass liberal eggheads. Most of us in the silent majority prefer to drop bombs, kill some ragheads and call it good.
The plans for this war are decades in the making. The idea that people would risk their lives, that of their fellow service men, or even their own careers without a detailed plan and constant and serious updating is just silly.
Drove the Interstate last week, saw my first 'I did that' Trump sticker on a gas pump. Certainly doesn't seem like my last.
Hearing about the price of diesel from the farm community, given it is hitting a busy time in the fields.
"Either Iran capitulates or the U.S. launches a final flurry of military strikes."
There is a third way, and it would be the best way, but I'm not highly educated journalist at WaPo.
Allowing Iran to develop nuclear weapons and use them against anyone else to hasten the coming of the hidden twelfth Imam is a small price to pay for cheap gasoline.
Right oliver douglas
I see Rich has a new identity he's trying on. Like the fit, Rich?
Current gas prices, as insignificant as they are in the big picture, would eventually be a hell of a lot worse for a lot longer if the regime was left in place. Even if I hated Trump, I would know that, but hate makes you skip thinking things through.
I don't think people are understanding the potential upside.
1) This would end a lot of belligerence in the region. notice how the Houthis don't do much anymore? They got their weapon caches blown up and one of their two ports. They need the other port for FOOD AID. Gee, they suddenly are much more passive.
2) If Iran can be toppled, it means China loses an ally and oil source. a big deal.
3) Russia loses an ally and weapons source.
Now consider if we can't get the whole enchilada.
1) Iran had some weapons stockpiled wiped out. Our allies in the region learned to use anti drone tech.
2) Iran was already an enemy. You didn't make a new one.
3) They lost their navy. They are losing economically. Our cost is the US navy doing basic naval exercises which need to be done anyways.
4) Our allies will find ways around the Horrmuz. This is good long term even if Iran isn't toppled - it defangs them.
“Even if I hated Trump, I would know that, but hate makes you skip thinking things through.”
I’m a Trump supporter.
I saw my first 'I did that' Trump sticker on a gas pump recently too. I hope they stay up for a while. They are true now, and they will be later, at which time I assume the person who put it up will scrape it off.
but it’s destroying the GOP’s chances in the midterms.
Not as much as the feckless GOP destroyed their chances all by themselves.
Drove the Interstate last week, saw my first 'I did that' Trump sticker on a gas pump. Certainly doesn't seem like my last.
There's at least a reason why the prices are up.
What was Biden's excuse?
"I’m a Trump supporter."
I know. Wasn't really aimed at you. The point still stands. The political cost is real, but so are reasons it's worth that cost.
As we are finding out, Iran isn’t the real enemy here. It’s the globalists and all of their tools.
Lloyd’s of London is open to keep their Iranian proxies in powers so that they can keep their stranglehold on global shipping. They’ve got Democrats to haters European rulers China Rockefellers all on their side.
Mark said...
Drove the Interstate last week, saw my first 'I did that' Trump sticker on a gas pump. Certainly doesn't seem like my last.
Hearing about the price of diesel from the farm community, given it is hitting a busy time in the fields.
Almost as high as they were under Biden and still two dollars cheaper than in California where Democrats rule.
We know that you Democrats don’t give a shit about gas prices. You just hate the United States and want it to lose.
Ampersand said "the war is costing that person something in the range of $15 a week. What a crushing burden!" West Texas crude was $100 per barrel today, up $42 a barrel since January. At 20 million barrels per day consumed by Americans that is an $842 million per day drain on the economy or $307 billion per year. Maybe that's a joke to you but as the saying goes a billion here and a billion there and pretty soon you are talking real money....
"Not as much as the feckless GOP destroyed their chances all by themselves."
Exactly. What the GOP refuses to do is far more damaging politically than this war. I'm more angry at the do-nothing GOP than the Dems. At least the Dems called me deplorable to my face.
Achilles, if it's just an insurance thing, why are the Carriers so far away?
The U.S. is also selling record amounts oil and oil derivatives at these high prices, which is good for us. Higher tax revenue, high returns on 401Ks, more jobs, etc.
Shouting Thomas said...
“Even if I hated Trump, I would know that, but hate makes you skip thinking things through.”
I’m a Trump supporter.
What is different between how the media treated bush invading Iraq and what is happening now with Iran?
You will find the answers to your questions there.
Hint: bush was a fucking traitor setting up permanent war in the ME so Lloyd’s owned global shipping and Trump is eliminating a 47 year old lever the globalists have been using to move global production to se Asia.
"West Texas crude was $100 per barrel today, up $42 a barrel since January. At 20 million barrels per day consumed by Americans that is an $842 million per day drain on the economy"
The US is pretty much positive on the energy import/export ledger. That means higher prices just reallocate more money within the economy from net users (say, Connecticut) to net suppliers (say, North Dakota). The money stays within; it is not "drained". That is obviously not true of most of Europe and Asia.
O it’s a long, long time from May to November,
But the days grow short when you reach September.
When the op-ed pages turn their words to flame,
The Dems won’t have time for the waiting game.
Oh, the days dwindle down to a precious few -
September, October -
And these precious lunatics the left clings to,
These precious lunatics must come through.
Howard said...
Achilles, if it's just an insurance thing, why are the Carriers so far away?
Why be closer? all of our strategic goals our satisfied by shutting down the straight.
the traitors and the enemies of the United States think there’s some sort of 60 day window where they can convince a bunch of Congress critters to condemn the war, as if this is actually a war.
there’s no way out for the globalist tools. We don’t need to do anything else. all this whingeing and wangling doesn’t matter these are all just shortsighted people who don’t see the big picture.
we’re just toying with our food at this point.
Sen. Schiff says he's going to bring his War Powers Resolution to the floor. Expect a DC federal judge to order Trump to end the war. Reasons.
In geology, Achilles, we call that arm-waving
Loonies are the only ones left voting for Democrats.
“ Loonies are the only ones left voting for Democrats.”
as is made obvious by the comments here.
If Anyone actually notices, Republicans and Democrats are tied in congressional polls.
And something magical always happens in September and October to the polls.
Democrats keep trying to kill president. I don’t know why they think that’s gonna win them Anything in November.
Well, Money Manager, the $842 million per day is coming out of the pockets of average citizens and going to producers of crude oil. Bravo if you own an oil well! But I just got home from a long road trip (wedding on the East coast) and my fuel cost was up $240 because of the war. Maybe the "US" keeps all that money when the oil companies pay out dividends but it came out of my pocket... the problem is the midterms hinge on maybe 5-10% of the voters. If they are shelling out $100 to fill their gas tanks in November they are going to vote against the GOP. It doesn't matter if it was worse under Biden or the theoretical avoidance of Iran (maybe) getting a bomb some day... I voted for Trump to reform America and not to take over the middle east...
Dave Begley said...
Sen. Schiff says he's going to bring his War Powers Resolution to the floor. Expect a DC federal judge to order Trump to end the war. Reasons.
What war?
Are they going to go tell the Gerald R Ford to move to the Pacific?
I look forward to Democrats arguing we have to leave China and Iran alone. Rooting for foreign countries against our own military will be about as effective this year as it was in 72.
And they have already shot their impeachment arrow.
Paving the way for the Dems to back down quietly. Which is fine.
Jalanl said...
< >Well, Money Manager, the $842 million per day is coming out of the pockets of average citizens and going to producers of crude oil.
Actually the governments take way more than any of the companies involved.
The state of California takes more money than anyone.
If democrats wanted the price of gas lower they would lower taxes.
But they will never do that because they are greedy evil pieces of shit.
Drove the Interstate last week, saw my first 'I did that' Trump sticker on a gas pump. Certainly doesn't seem like my last.
Trump is reading from Ronald Reagan’s book. When Reagan took office, we’d suffered through 10 years of serious inflation. But Reagan — one of the only two American presidents to hold an economics degree (the other is Trump) — assented to the Fed’s cranking of interest rates even though he understood it would throw us into Recession. Which it did.
Eventually, it worked and we went into decades of growth. Trump is putting up with a short term increase in oil prices to achieve the larger goal of destroying the Islamist regime in Iran. He understands full well that $4 gas is annoying and hurts GDP.
He also knows it can turn around quickly.
"I voted for Trump to reform America..."
He's doing that too. Or would you prefer to continue spending billions of dollars on learing center/hospice fraud and continued Democrat racist gerrymandering?
It will be over when the Republican party realizes that Trump is a liability, not an asset.
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
It will be over when the Republican party realizes that Trump is a liability, not an asset.
Desantis supporters rejoice!
LOL! Keep hope alive!
Jupiter said...
The Iranian regime is not going to surrender, and we are not going to kill them all. Which means that President Trump has punched the tar-baby, good and hard. And now Netanyahu is shouting "You've got him down! Kick him!"
I thought you were smarter than rcocean.
Otto is just peak stupid
If it's an insurance thing...why are the carriers so far away?
Why do we need the carriers there, Howard? To defeat the Iranian Navy?
Mason G "He's doing that too". My concern is most of the reform is nothing more than temporary executive orders and decisions. Yes, the BBB kept the tax rates and gave some breaks and I am happy about that. The problem is there has been no other significant legislation passed. Executive orders can be wiped out on day one of a new president. The debt is still growing, and federal spending is already up $250 billion from the last year. Yes, I know "rinos" suck, and you all get jollies bitching about them. But leaders lead and maybe Trump could find some time to put pressure on congress to pass his agenda into law - you know Art of The Deal kind of stuff. Please!
I strongly suspect that the Iranian regime is counting on that 60 day "limit" on Trump's ability to bomb them. They are in for a big surprise some time after day 60.
After about $80bbl, the government take per barrel goes up significantly.
Looks like Chuck the Lifelong Republican is back.
Yancey Ward said...
I strongly suspect that the Iranian regime is counting on that 60 day "limit" on Trump's ability to bomb them. They are in for a big surprise some time after day 60.
I am sure a federal judge or two will give them some hope.
There will be a steady stream of democrat traitors showing their solidarity.
They are already rounding Jews up in Europe again.
Europe is out of reserves. China capitulated long ago. 60 days will come and go, democrats will try to force a vote, and you will watch the rats slink away quietly.
"But leaders lead and maybe Trump could find some time to put pressure on congress to pass his agenda into law - you know Art of The Deal kind of stuff. Please!"
"It's been a year already and I still don't have my pony!"
Yeah, I know.
Loonies to the left of us
Loonies to the right
Here we are
Sticking by our man Trump.
Just so y'know Marc Thiessen is a former Speechwriter for Don Rumsfield and Bush 43. He's a neo-con's neo-con. And if it was up to "Marc" we'd still be in Iraq and invaded Iran 20 years ago. He's tough guy - in front of a computer. And is willing to get as many people killed as needed. As long as its not him or his friends.
We're fighting Israel's war. This has zero to do with the USA national interests. OUR interests were in keeping the straits open and the oil flowing. And making the Persian Gulf states our friends.
So, we don't need "Unconditional surrender or else". We need to quit fighting and reach a quick and safe deal with Iran. And promise never to launch another sneak attack and unprovoked agression. We did what Putin did, only its worse, because Ukraine is right on Russia's border and Iran is 5000 miles away by the crow flies and zero threat to the USA.
Intresting that the "Liberal" WaPo is filled with war mongers. And they support Trump in his attack on Iran. Of course, the libtard masses hate Trump and cant understand the WaPo stance. But the average leftist always follows his leaders and will say nothing.
I saw a squib somewhere that claimed the Iranian rial (or whatever) is now trading a 1,85 million to the dollar. Meanwhile here in the USA, the stock averages are setting new records. Gas prices aren't the only gauge of a successful economy. I don't think Iran has a pat hand, but we'll see how it develops. The people in that neck of the woods aren't famous for their prudent decisions.....We blame Hitler, not the allies for the utter destruction of Germany during WWII. If Iran goes splat, I suppose the Dems will blame Trump, but the fault lies with the IRGC.
RCOCEAN II said...
So, we don't need "Unconditional surrender or else". We need to quit fighting and reach a quick and safe deal with Iran. And promise never to launch another sneak attack and unprovoked agression. We did what Putin did, only its worse, because Ukraine is right on Russia's border and Iran is 5000 miles away by the crow flies and zero threat to the USA.
I look forward to seeing shipyards in the USA again.
Do you think it was The Jooooooss! that moved all heavy manufacturing to SE Asia? Just curious how myopic you actually are.
Both sides were just talking to Putin. The Iranian FM just visited moscow. Trump just talked to Putin by phone. Y'know the evil man who is trying to CONQUER THE WORLD!!!
Weird how all the American foreign policy geniuses and warhawks have stopped talking about Russia-Ukraine and the Poor little Ukraine and the need to "Stop Putin".
Anyway, Russia and China are getting involved and I doubt either will stand by and let the USA-Israel destroy Iran - no matter what Marc Thiessen says.
BTW, the spot price of oil was up to $125 barrel and I cashed out with a tidy profit. I want to thank all the goobers who swallowed the propaganda that this thing would be over by Easter. USA! USA!
Billy sounds like saracen horde that blair through johnson welcomed
They all want to kill jews and other nazrani (christians if you want to know)
There will be a lot of noise in Congress, but they know that the War Powers Act is a sham, and they will not push it--especially to stop what has been a very brief and extremely successful action to take out not only the nuclear capacity but the conventional war capacity of an international terrorist pest. Because if they were to seriously do so, they know that Trump would justifiably blame them for cutting his feet out under him--and the American people would agree.
So we will hear a lot of stuff from Chris Murphy and Rand Paul, but Trump's Iran war will succeed or fail on its merits.
That's what Thiessen's ("neocon") and Rademaker's (Dem establishment) pieces are for--political cover.
RCOCEAN II said...
Anyway, Russia and China are getting involved and I doubt either will stand by and let the USA-Israel destroy Iran - no matter what Marc Thiessen says.
LOL!
I can't wait til China buys enough Oil from us to sail their navy to the Straight of Hormuz and forces us to let their missiles in!
They have lot of coal from indonesia and they have doctoring the imports they got through malaysia and indonesia
the dems are only concerned about "high gas prices" because it is on Trump's watch. They didn't give a shit when Biden's administration had it up significantly higher. I don't mind the extra expense in support of ending Iran. I did not support higher gas prices simply because "green"
Yes, Achilles. Any criticism of the Israel is obviously "anti-semitic." LOL. You sound like the grifters are the SPLC or BLM. You have even less shame than intellect.
They attacked twelve countries mostly arab states
Russia "our great enemy" is making out like a bandit. They can sell less oil and make more $$. China and East Asia need all they can get. Don't know how the Dumb Euros are faring. Someone told me "Petrol" prices in UK are about 6 dollars a gallon. Dont know about the Krauts. They cut themselves off from Russian Natural gas, got rid of their nuclear power, and now I suppose will run all their industry on wind power generated by their politicians.
Jupiter said...
The Iranian regime is not going to surrender, and we are not going to kill them all.
Which means we will end up arming a bunch of Iranians, possible send Special Forces in to train them, and they they will hunt down and kill the Mad Mullahs.
Please, just try to not be stupid, ok?
Military experts say that Iran's military is largely intact. A guy who beats his girlfriends and drinks a pint of gin before breakfast says that Iran's military capacity has been completely destroyed by American's maximum lethality. For busy Americans, it can be hard to know who to trust.
"I thought you were smarter than rcocean."
He thinks the Apollo moon landings were staged, so…
"For busy Americans, it can be hard to know who to trust."
Yeah, you count on that, don't you?
Ever notice how Rich never supplies links? Experts.
"I thought you were smarter than rcocean."
Hmmmm.... RC seems pretty sharp to me. A little supercilious, but I'm hardly the one to cast that stone.
The war powers act just shows how if the power elite don't want to do something it doesnt matter what in a law or even in the constitution. For example the SCOTUS pretty much ignores the 10th Admendment. And the Sherman Anti-trust act and immigration laws are dead letters.
Israel runs the US congress and they want this war. Its THEIR war. So any attempt by Congress to rein in Trump will fail. "Gosh darn it we came so close. If only a few more votes had changed hands" is what the D Congressmen will say to their voters. "Damn that Trump".
He refers to eddie luces catalog of wishcasting
Jalanl said...
Ampersand said "the war is costing that person something in the range of $15 a week. What a crushing burden!" West Texas crude was $100 per barrel today, up $42 a barrel since January. At 20 million barrels per day consumed by Americans that is an $842 million per day drain on the economy or $307 billion per year.
$15/week ~= $750/year
$307 billion per year/ 350 million Americans? About teh same
If it goes on for a year, that would be a failure by Trump, IMAO
But if it goes another month or two?
That sucks, but not as much as Iranian nukes.
One nuked US city would cost a hell of a lot more than $307 billion.
Mad Mullahs with nukes is not acceptable. It is to Trump's credit that he understands that and is willing to do something about it.
Anyone who "thinks" that Israel is driving this war, rather than Iran, is a complete fucking moron.
I am disappointed that Trump hasn't armed the people of Iran with AK-47s and ammo, and told them to go kill the Basiji. Perhaps he'll get off the stick after this "cease fire" ends.
It's time for an end to the Mad Mullahs. And if it takes mass slaughter to get that done, time to bring it on
"Despite the criticisms from a handful of Republicans, most GOP lawmakers are reluctant to challenge the president’s legal authority"
The Republicans will be out of power for a decade if they do not bring this war to an end. Everyone now knows Trump is not fit for serious decision making and long term strategy. They need to dump him and move on quickly.
I think a lot americans, especially boomers, dont understand what an economic powerhouse China has become, or how far Russia has recovered from the dismal 90s when they had to bow and scrape to the USA. Its not longer a world run by one Super-power. And I haven't even mentioned India, with its. 1.5 billion and getting stronger every day.
India and China want persian gulf oil. And Russia is Iran's next door neighbor. All three powers have an interest in a strong Iran and an open strait that keeps the oil flowing. None want to see Iran under the thumb of Israel/USA. Right now, they're helping (Russia/China) with Iran defense. Giving them intelligence and sanction busting parts to build weapons. However, anytime they wish they could give Iran Nukes, or other weapons. Given that we've been arming Ukraine, we can't get too upset at that.
So Israel/USA don't hold all the cards, and they cant push too far. I'm sure that's what Putin/Trump were talking about. And what Trump will discuss when he visits Peking.
it can be hard to know who to trust.
Certainly not unnamed "military experts". Or any Democrats. That's a good start.
GUNS.
GUNS.
GUNS FOR THE IRANIAN PEOPLE.
Hundreds of thousands of them.
The war will be concluded in weeks, not months.
Jupiter said...
"I thought you were smarter than rcocean."
Hmmmm.... RC seems pretty sharp to me. A little supercilious, but I'm hardly the one to cast that stone.
Only a retard thinks we are attacking Iran for Israel's benefit.
Even rcocean is figuring out who the real enemies are.
Late is better than never.
RCOCEAN II said...
I think a lot americans, especially boomers, dont understand what an economic powerhouse China has become, or how far Russia has recovered from the dismal 90s when they had to bow and scrape to the USA. Its not longer a world run by one Super-power. And I haven't even mentioned India, with its. 1.5 billion and getting stronger every day.
People who hate the USA always have hopes and dreams we will be beaten some day.
It is funny to watch idiots think China will open up the Straight of Hormuz with their Diesel powered Navy fueled by oil they are buying from the US.
We have already traded the Donetsk to keep Russia out of it.
And we gave Russia the upper hand in their little disagreement with Europe and with China.
But you people were saying the same thing about Venezuela. You didn't learn from that stupidity either.
It is kinda weird to see otherwise intelligent people not being able to connect obvious pieces of the puzzle because they hate joooos so much.
Howard said...
"Achilles, if it's just an insurance thing, why are the Carriers so far away?"
Are you asking aircraft carriers or crude carriers?
The aircraft carriers are where they need to be. They are power projectors via their air power. They aren't meant to be used as battleships. The task force is there to protect the carrier.
Thanks Aggie.
"Only a retard thinks we are attacking Iran for Israel's benefit."
OK. Baby steps. Does our attacking Iran benefit Israel? Or no? Is Trump pressing the attacks on Iran despite Bibi's fervent objections?
Baby steps.
"Israel runs the US congress and they want this war. Its THEIR war. So any attempt by Congress to rein in Trump will fail."
Well, more precisely, any attempt by Congress to "rein in Trump" will be a complete sham, authorized by the Israel Lobby, so that certain Congress-critters can pretend to their bases that they are not craven creatures of AIPAC.
RC OCEAN II, who "seems pretty sharp" to Jupiter, writes (8:29pm): "Given that we've been arming Ukraine [with conventional weapons, and damned few of those], we can't get too upset [if Russia or China arms Iran with nuclear weapons]."
Anyone who could write that is either very stupid, utterly insane, thoroughly evil, or some combination of those things. Do I really have to explain that giving conventional weapons to a democracy fighting for survival is in no way comparable to giving nuclear weapons to a fanatical apocalyptic death-cult religion?
Jupiter.
This is all about China. Israel is a collateral benefit.
This war won't end in the rational manner. The IRGC is dominated by Shia Twelvers who want to bring about the end of the world.
If Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they will use it and if they are nuked back, the religious nuts will see that as winning and bringing on the end they long for
See this video by Ryan McBeth
'Iran’s Nuclear Bomb and the Mahdi’s return'
https://youtu.be/8MgJgRXzcNg
A lot of people compare the Sunni–Shia divide to Catholics vs Protestants. That works at a surface level, but when you dig deeper, the differences are far more significant, especially when you look at the Twelver Shia ideology that dominates Iran’s leadership.
If you believe that a period of chaos and global conflict is necessary to bring about a messianic figure… then your incentives look very different from a typical nation-state.
Yes. It is about China. They have been hurt hard. First with Venezuela, then worse by Iran. They were both trading their arms for heavily discounted oil. A couple weeks ago, a Chinese cargo ship was seized, shipping dual use goods (essentially rocket fuel) to Iran. We indicated that this embargo would be aggressively enforced. The Chinese desperately need discounted Iranian oil and gas, and the Iranians desperately need Chinese arms, especially that needed to make more missiles. Neither is happening, and isn’t going to happen in the near future.
The Iranians gave away the game by demanding that the oil they allowed to be shipped from the Strait be sold in Chinese Yuan (CNY). Good luck with that. China is one of the biggest oil and gas importers in the world. This is something that exporters, not importers, set. And instead of the Chinese Yuan, the market is rapidly moving back to the American $$. We are now, one of the biggest swing oil and gas producers in the world. And the only real major 1st World oil and gas exporter.
The point about US gasoline prices is ludicrous. Intentionally misleading. We are facing slight upwards price pressure. Temporary because the market is adopting to more US oil and gas, and much less Iranian oil and gas. Everyone outside oil and gas producers are getting hammered right now. And very possibly, China is getting hit hardest. Followed by India and Europe - they could be energy independent, but for ridiculous Climate Change reasons, decided not to be.
I suspect Trump thinks the 60 day clock resets every time he announces that we have won, which has been 5 or 6 times now. The reality is that the war started with the bombings on June 22, 2025, 313 days ago.
Does our attacking Iran benefit Israel?
It benefits everybody .... other than Iran itself and those who hate the Jooooooooooos.
Sometimes I wish Iran would get a nuke - and use it - just to make people like you shut the fuck up.
The reality is that the war started with the bombings on June 22, 2025, 313 days ago.
No. The reality is the war started on November 4, 1979. 16,980 days ago.
Just to be clear:
It’s “patriotic” to pay more in taxes at all times, but not to pay more for gas in the middle of a war.
Got it.
“Does our attacking Iran benefit Israel?”
Yes, attacking Iran benefits Israel. Also Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cabo Verde, Cambodia, Cameroon, Canada, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Congo (Congo-Brazzaville), Costa Rica, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czechia (Czech Republic) Democratic Republic of the Congo, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Eswatini (Swaziland), Ethiopia, Fiji, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Micronesia, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, North Korea, North Macedonia, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Palestine (State of), Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, South Korea, South Sudan, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City, Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe and most importantly the US . . . oh yeah and also the people of Iran.
But if it benefits the people of all these countries AND Israel, should we not attack Iran?
We’re attacking Iran to keep them from having nuclear weapons. Israel, is aiding us because it’s in their interests. It’s also in the interest of all those listed countries. Instead if being pissed that more of them aren’t shouldering the burden, some people are pissed Israel is helping us. Un fucking believable.
Pro government rallies continue across Iran.
Members, supporters and beneficiaries of the regime and their families no doubt number in the millions. These people know that if the regime falls they will lose everything and very possibly be killed. They don't have any incentive to just surrender.
It's a problem that can't be solved with simply with more bombing.
Regime forces are more organized than opposition forces and they are armed.
If we are arming and organizing the opposition, that will take time. Trump doesn't seem in a hurry. Is that what's going on? Who knows?
Data republican showed how the govt organizes the protests in this country and the footage appears over in iran making the protesters feel that the govt is supported
@ narciso
Interesting. Do you have a link?
It was a two week old thread
This is a report on how Iran coordinates with US protesters and was linked by data republican:
https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/The-Hidden-Switchboard_-How-Iranian-State-Media-and-Domestic-Networks-Drive-Influence-Operations-on-U.S.-Soil.pdf
I think this is the thread narciso is referring to:
https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/2035417853277753842
This war won't end in the rational manner. The IRGC is dominated by Shia Twelvers who want to bring about the end of the world.
Yes and no. Jeff Childers (and apparently no one else) reported Yesterday on Scott Bessent's press conference regarding the US seizing IRGC crypto accounts and assets such as townhouses in London and villas in the south of France.
This is the key. We’ve learned that the Iranian Republican Guard Corps (IRGC) is a parasitic mega-corporation that has co-opted the elected government of Iran, and uses the apparatus of state to suck blood and treasure out of the Iranian people, all to enrich a secretive class of demented hypocrites who cosplay as religious maniacs but are really violent mobsters with missiles and an army.
You couldn’t possibly imagine a less democratic system of government. It’s not a theocracy. It’s a heavily armed kleptocracy.
Not that any of that troubles our corporate media types. We shouldn’t judge other cultures. But let’s do a thought experiment. Suppose we discovered that all our top Pentagon officials had secret overseas bank accounts stuffed with millions, villas in the South of France, and so on. How would the U.S. media report that? But when it comes to Iran— crickets.
coffeeandcovid@substack.com (you can subscribe for free and get Childers' substack delivered daily to your email).
Thx Eva Marie
To the Jew hating/ Hamas propaganda eating / Lie buying Israel haters - Israel is not allowed to defend itself against a death cult.
In the US - we elect death cultists/commies to run whole blue cities.... into the ground.
Eva Marie - WELL Done.
Of course our cutting of the Islamic Theocratic snake head aids Israel.
OH NOEZ!
Left Bank of the Charles said...
"I suspect "
Stop right there. You're not really equipped to offer any kind of insightful analogy.
Yes that is the real nature of the irgc
Jupiter said...
"Only a retard thinks we are attacking Iran for Israel's benefit."
OK. Baby steps. Does our attacking Iran benefit Israel?
Who cares? Oh, I get it, Jew hating lunatics who hate Israel so much that they'd rather Americans get nuked by Iran than Israel benefit.
Iran is America's enemy. We are their "Great Satan"
Iran also hates Israel. So defeating our enemy defeats their enemy too.
After Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back and invaded the USSR, Nazi Germany was the enemy both of the UK, and of the USSR.
After Dec 11, 1941, when Hitler declared war not he US, they were now officially our enemy, too.
At that point, a delusional loser and freak might have said "oh, we can't attack Nazi Germany, because that will help the Commies. Everyone else understood that Nazi Germany was our enemy, and needed to be destroyed.
Whether you consider Israel more like the 1940s UK, or USSR is irrelevant, if you're sane. Iran is our enemy, it's not acceptable to let them get nuclear weapons, and we need to crush and destroy the Mad Mullahs
It turns out to have been acceptable for North Korea and Pakistan to get nuclear weapons. So, Iran must somehow be different than those countries. Let's see, is it closer to the US? More of a danger? Hmmmm, I guess not. What is it closer to?
The only explanation I have seen offered, for the unique unacceptability of Iranian nuclear weapons, is that the country is run by religious zealots. Not by sober realists like Kim Jong Un. Or Bibi Netanyahu.
Did you know that Bibi and his political allies claim that Israel has a God-given right to all the land between "the River of Egypt and the Great River (Euphrates)"? Now there's some sober realism for you. And our ambassador, the Christian Zionist kook Mike Huckaby, told Tucker Carlson that's just fine. They're welcome to it.
“It turns out to have been acceptable for North Korea and Pakistan to get nuclear weapons.”
Because North Korea and Pakistan were not stopped from acquiring nuclear weapons, we understand that Iran must be prevented from doing the same.
And I don’t have to explain that. You’re smart enough to figure that out. A semi intelligent 6 year old can reason that out.
North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, and China are run by atheists. They know that using their nuclear weapons would mean instant death for them by counterstrike, and they would like to enjoy this life as long as possible. The Iranian mullahs seem to be true believers, who think that a nuclear apocalypse destroying them along with the rest of the world would be a good thing, because they would go to Paradise and get their 70 virgins (each) with regenerating hymens so they can deflower them over and over for all eternity. There is good reason to believe that the mullahs would immediately use any nuclear weapons they got hold of, unlike the North Koreans, Pakistanis, Russians, and Chinese. Or the Israelis, if that was not already obvious. I believe the mullahs have said they intend to use any nukes they acquire. Is Jupiter incapable of understanding what a "fanatical apocalyptic death-cult religion" is?
Because we couldn't stop A and we couldn't stop B, that means we shouldn’t stop C although we have the means to do precisely that.
Left Bank of the Charles said...
I suspect Trump thinks the 60 day clock resets every time he announces that we have won, which has been 5 or 6 times now. The reality is that the war started with the bombings on June 22, 2025, 313 days ago.
No, Charlie, this war started with the Iranian invasion of the US Embassy in November, 1979
But the Clinton and Obama Admins established that every time "the shooting stops", even for an hour, the 60 day clock resets.
See, for most egregious examples: Clinton in Somalia and Yugoslavia.
That ship sailed, and did so with a D at the helm
Jim at said...
The reality is that the war started with the bombings on June 22, 2025, 313 days ago.
No. The reality is the war started on November 4, 1979. 16,980 days ago.
Beat me to it :-)
Dr Weevil said...
Yes, it is different when millennialist religious zealots get nuclear weapons
And said it well
JK Brown said...
This war won't end in the rational manner. The IRGC is dominated by Shia Twelvers who want to bring about the end of the world.
And if Jupiter was capable of rational thought, he would then understand why yes, Iran IS different from NK & Pakistan
Jupiter said...
It turns out to have been acceptable for North Korea and Pakistan to get nuclear weapons
I dont' know about "acceptable", what I do know is that Democrat Presidents screwed over the US and let them get nukes.
Trump, being an actual American patriot, is making sure no future Democrat Admin can screw over the US that way with Iran.
If Jupiter was an American patriot, too, he'd support that
During the early 1930s there was a major wave of bank robberies and violent crime across the Midwest.
Congress acted and a coordinated federal task force replaced unsuccessful local efforts.
The bank robberies were stopped.
By your logic if the feds didn’t stop them when they started, why did they do so later on?
Answer: because they could.
Jupiter.
I'll write this in crayon on brown paper just for you.
The theocracy of Iran believe, like children believe in santa clause, that the golden emam, or what it is, will come to declare his caliphate when the world ends. The theocratic leaders of Iran wanted a nuclear weapon in order to hasten the end times. It was never intended to be a negotiating tool. They were going to use it. They Were Going To Use It. They had nothing to gain by not using it.
Mopping a big slop decades in the making.
Hilarious how Mark Levin's audience shows up the day after Althouse posts it.
Jupiter said...It turns out to have been acceptable for North Korea and Pakistan to get nuclear weapons."
Donald Trump is the only one to have the balls to actually follow through on stopping the "unacceptable". And I have sympathy for the previous Presidents who didn't back up their tough words; war is a terrible thing. I don't have sympathy for you and your tortured logic.
The chinese and the soviets invested in the nk project the pakistanis aq khan helped out
RC, your remark doesn’t actually mean anything. You’re another really smart guy who (in my opinion) disagrees just to disagree.
We should have blown up aq khan when he was caught stealing from urenco in the 70s
You know that those claiming that Iran still has most of its weapons left are either disingenuous or stupid, is that their use of these weapons has been on an exponential extinction curve. Who is going to decide to tail off their use of these weapons more quickly, in order to have more of them left over, when fighting for their lives? The curve would look far different, with a sudden drop of usage and destruction.
One of the problems with arming the Iranian people is that we tried it. Logically, the easy way to do it would be through the Kurds, because we have long established supply lines to them. Which is how we tried to do it. Except that we (and esp Dems) have betrayed them so often, that they didn’t feel badly about just keeping the arms that we were trying to send to the Iranians.
I mentioned earlier that China is getting hurt by this conflict probably than anyone else, except for, of course, the Iranians. While, the US has some of the least pain in the world.
So, why does the left cherry pick what is going on here, and push it as propaganda? Because China has been one of the biggest benefactors of the left in the country since at least Clinton. This is nothing new for them - they have been attacking their enemies internally for millennia. Why are there so many Chinese here as students? Partly because they have paid, esp the Dems, so much for being allowed to do it, over the decades.
I, for one, look forward to the proxies of Iran such as Hamas, the Houthis, and Hezbollah learning that cease fire violations lead to continued offensive actions against them, until unconditional surrender is achieved. I also look forward to the nightly news showing mullahs in Tehran hanging from lamp posts.
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