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April 9, 2026
"For almost everyone, writing books is a low-paying job! For most it pays literally nothing!"
Lindy West gives us a striking example of working very hard to get publicity for a new book and barely selling anything. Is this a specific example of female readers repelled by the author's finding a way to stand by her polyamorous husband or something much more general in book publishing these days:
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Is that guy sitting on a hot grill or something?
Many books were financial losers and vanity projects several decades ago. Unless they were marketed by a large publisher (e.g., stack of copies in every bookstore, Walmart, Costco nationwide), people had to hunt them down. Because of the sunk cost they printed "break even" first editions of a few hundred or few thousand books. Today they use print on demand.
While Barnes & Noble is still around, their largest current market seem to be graphic novels (adult comics), gaming content, and kids books.
“Is this a specific examples of female readers repelled by the author's finding a way to stand by her polyamorous husband or something much more general in book publishing these days”
Occam’s razor suggests the most likely explanation is the book sucks.
I have a friend who has published more than 20 books, including a Sierra Club guidebook sold in every REI in the country, and always top 10 in its category on Amazon. He figures he's made $150,000 from it over ten or fifteen years. He counts himself lucky when he sells enough to collect any royalties beyond the advance. If he doesn't, it's less than a minimum-wage job.
Book authorship is not often remunerative beyond the advance. It does provide a credential, and every now and then somebody pays to do a film version.
Millions of books written by millions of people. Who reads now? The market is saturated.
The lack of sales of this book restores my faith in humanity. Even with all of the publicity and buzz created by the mainstream media and social media posts etc etc. No one wants to buy this pedestrian story of an average human being who fell victim to a family situation of her own selfish creation.
No one wants to eat a vegan hot dog and drink a non -alcoholic beer.
Do a couple of published books qualify you for a gig teaching creative writing at some college? It's a living. It's not a percentage play, but some writers are Scott Thurow......I think Lindy's book would have sold better if she was a hot chick. Books with sex in the foreground sell better if the writer is hot.....I have a friend who goes through a novel a week, but he gets all his books from the library. There aren't that many dedicated readers, and most of them use the library.
"... Is this a specific examples of female readers repelled by the author's finding a way to stand by her polyamorous husband as well as something much more general in book publishing these days..."
I think I can see why this guy is not a successful writer. He absolutely lives for the media buzz, and writing a book is how he hopes to get it.
They make $$ off the TV/Movie rights. Her's was made into a 3 year TV show. Bet she made millions. BTW, if go back and look at Faulkner, Lewis, Steinbeck, Hemingway they did not make "Life changing wealth" from their books. They were "Well to do".
When you think of it, writers that dream of hitting it big are a lot like high school kids dreaming of a career in professional sports. A lot of dreamers, a lot of attempts, but very, very few actually make those final cuts into the Big Time.
Does this publishing experience also hold for writers of serial novels? You know, like mysteries involving one recurring detective character?
John Scalzi a best selling SF writer used to brag about the money he made off his books. So, he lived in a mansion in NYC, right? No. He lived in a big house in rural ohio, and probably doesnt have anymore money than a moderately successful Wall Street broker or SF Silicon Valley exec.
As for "Braces" I can understand the frustration at the lack of sales. I'd think that was just the sort of thing the "50 shades of Gray" audience would go for. Outside of SF/fantasy and historical/military fiction, 90 percent of Novels are sold to women. I dunno why they're turning up their nose up at it.
I had a business professsor in College who wrote several textbooks in his field. Said he'd never write another one, because when he totalled up the hours spent vs. money recieved he wasn't even making minimum wage.
Well, Grok tells me that Romance (and within that genre, something called "Romantasy") is the most lucrative fiction, but even then the median take home for the author is around $38,000.
So the whole "stop teaching kids to read" exercise the National Education Monolith enacted didn't turn out so well for people who need readers. Readers with disposable income. Way to go Big Ed!
The world doesn’t owe anybody a writer’s lifestyle, or an audience. But if you want to blame others, well there’s a lot of books published, even more written. Many now famous writers died in anonymity, so the only good reason to write a book is satisfaction of having written it. You are probably better off moonlighting and spending your entire paycheck on lottery tickets.
“Tens of millions of impressions of coverage” to sell 3,000 copies. -- That probably best illustrates the media industry's ideological disconnect with normal people.
Multiple outlets (one even taxpayer-supported) launching PR campaigns to promote hard left ideas.
If you have a successful character and world built, then sure, you can probably keep peanut butter on the toast by writing. Why not? As long as you understand that you are an entertainer, not a sage just waiting for followers to appreciate your wisdom.
Who has the time to buy or read a "book" when doomscrolling on a smartphone takes up all one's leisure time and driving time and eating time and happy hour time and sleeping time?
People think having a book accepted by a major publisher will lead to a financial windfall, but that's usually not true. In a typical contract, the writer's royalties are just 7% to 10% of the book's (often discounted) sales price -- closer to the lower end unless you're already famous. And since royalties don't start paying out until the advance is covered, many writers never get any. The advance itself is usually modest, and it's divided into three parts -- when the contract is signed, when the manuscript is accepted, and when the book goes on sale -- over a period that's often longer than a year. Of course, most publishers won't work with you unless you have an agent, who gets 15% of everything. It's a tough business, any way you look at it.
Howard said
No one wants to eat a vegan hot dog and drink a non -alcoholic beer.
I was excited to be eating a vegan hot dog and drinking non-alcoholic beer at a WNBA game with a trans man of color. While we were there, there was a moon shot, and a commando raid into Iran.
Actually though, if you think that your book says something important, getting it into the hands of 3,000 readers is a huge success, because if it really is as good as you think, the universe will take care of the rest, maybe even after you die.
The Great Gatsby became an important novel after Fitzgerald’s death, when the government was printing tons of novels for servicemen during WWII, and it spread by word of mouth.
Them’s the rules.
I am an independent author who has makes 70+K per year. The only way to make money in this game is to write books that people want to read and write a lot of them.
Based on her other work, she deserves the negative reviews. In fact, I love trainwreck books and would appreciate even worse suggestions. The NYT reviews make me want to buy the book.
Over a decade ago, I republished on Amazon Larry Grathwohl's book about infiltrating the Weather Underground. After my husband did a ton of free work kerning it, I earned 5k for replatforming it, publicizing it, doing multiple free speeches with and without Larry in three states, for which I did not recoup costs, and tragically seeing him die after the night I set him up with a Fox interview. That cost me much more in gas money and paying for a website and sheer effort to reserve audiences than what I earned. Who cares. All money goes to his dear daughters, and I do all the paperwork for free and send them extra money when I can.
Because they earned it. They lost their dad for half a decade as children, and before that, he risked his life for the rest of us after returning from Vietnam. He joined the war at 17.
Today, because of the algorythm, the book earns them little, less than a penny a piece from some places overseas, especially the EU, but we get these bulk orders sometimes from Japan or Britain and always some from America. It all goes to two daughters who deserve it.
So don't blame the system: blame the truth of the book. People and libraries and think tanks all over the world now know this important story about the radical Left's real plans for us, thanks to Larry.
When I was in college, I worked as a security guard. You sat at a desk all night, getting up once an hour for a brisk walk around the facility. I remember relieving a guy who was using the time to write a novel, I used it to study, anyway, I still remember him saying, “I am up to chapter three, and this is where I am going to introduce the neuroses.” Not sure if he ever sold it, but he did keep body and soul together while writing it.
John Scalzi a best selling SF writer used to brag about the money he made off his books.
He's a leftist cockroach, and one of the prime movers behind the cancel-culture infestation in the science fiction community that has totally ruined the Hugo, Nebula, etc. awards, and turned them into the "Most Slavish Devotion to Left-Wing Politics" awards. His politically-correct diversity-mongering drivel is as unreadable as "Star Fleet Academy" is unwatchable.
Next, do the economics of aspiring actors.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned AI in this discussion. So I will: AI. More specifically, authors who were previously eking out perhaps mid-five-figure incomes cranking out romance and fantasy fiction novels will probably be struggling to make $10k in a few years.
Reading books is even less lucrative than writing them, but do I complain?
@Dogma and Pony Show:
The big money in male pulp fiction, fantasy, and comic books shifted to interactive video games decades ago. The female boddice ripper market may well shift to interactive fantasy partners (also see an Althouse post a few months ago).
Who needs a book when one can have a choose-your-own-adventure story at any time?
books?
i'm not sure what you mean by "books"?
is this a new term for you tube videos?
I can't imagine convincing even one person to read a book I wrote. I'd probably have to pay them at least minimum wage.
One trick I could use would be to tell them it's about them.
Like everything in the arts. You can make a fortune but not a living.
I wonder if declining book sales track with declining attention spans.
Tina Trent,
Your account of you work with Larry Grathwohl sent me down a rabbit hole. Fascinating guy. NYT 1970 "Court Records Show Weatherman Charged With Bombing Conspiracy Used Different Names":
But according to the two women's lawyer, Henry diSuvero, both now suspect that Mr. Grathwohl is a police “plant” who infiltrated small under ground cells of the Weathermen here in Cincinnati and in New Haven for law enforcement authorities.
However, Guy Goodwin, the Justice Department official in charge of the Federal Weather men cases, said yesterday that he had no knowledge that Mr. Grathwohl was an informant, and the F.B.I. declined to comment on the report.
https://www.nytimes.com/1970/07/26/archives/court-records-show-weatherman-charged-with-bombing-conspiracy-used.html
Thought about writing a book when I retired - not as a path to awards and a best-selling movie but simply to augment my pension. Spent about 6 months researching the business side and came to the conclusion the only reason to do it is to prove to yourself you can.
Speaking of Occam's Razor, I would venture that vastly fewer people are interested in whatever she has to say than she or anyone else imagined. I think this is especially common among those who share West's super duper progressive outlook.
But we promoted the heck out of this book!
We don't care.
"Bob Boyd said...
I wonder if declining book sales track wit..."
TLDR
The problem of people not reading is not new, like AI is new. AI however, is probably making it worse.
The world doesn’t owe anybody a writer’s lifestyle
I'm curious what you think "a writer's lifestyle" is.
To those who have said that on balance, the only reason to write a book is to prove to yourself that you can, I heartily concur! My two novels, self-published so I didn't have to (1) find an agent and (2) give up such a large part of whatever I might make of s/he were to be successful placing a book, have just about kept peanut butter on my toast, literally: I think I've made as much on them as I've spent on peanut butter (a favorite breakfast condiment) since they were published. A few non-friends-and-family have read them; one in particular keeps agitating for the third in the series, but I've been stuck halfway through that one for THREE YEARS.
I'm glad I wrote the first two. I'd only ever written (or finished something, anyway) in short form before, so I undertook the first one as a challenge from a writing friend, and was very gratified when it actually worked. The second followed smoothly from the first as the night the day. The third is a huge pain in the patoot.
Self-promotion is a huge part of my problem (my writing friend, who loved the first book - I never actually asked her about the second, it occurs to me now - thinks it's my only problem): I hate it and don't need the income, so I don't even try.
Absolutely definitive guide of author pay scales, by a very successful (genre) author: The Official Alphabetical List Of Author Success (Larry Correia)
Fat, nose-ringed and stupid is no way to go through life, hon.
Jason Pargin, the guy in the video, wrote (among many other novels) JOHN DIES AT THE END, which became a reasonably successful cult film. He’s blink-and-you’ll-miss-it funny (“I still prefer the old term ‘writer’”—when speaking of the Booker Prize). His best work, in my opinion, is the podcast “Bigfeets,” which is a blow by blow account of a defunct cryptid-hunting TV show that ran for nine seasons on some obscure travel channel. It’s not everybody’s cup of tea.
"Fat, nose-ringed and stupid is no way to go through life, hon."
Usually leads to the packing house.
Lindy West is just a garden variety masochist, but instead of physical pain, her thing is humiliation. The obesity, the nose ring, the hair -- they're all part of her perverse obsession.
So, her book isn't selling? Take your shoes off. You can feel her seismic-scale orgasm through your feet.
Pargin's Twitter feed is always entertaining.
Maybe it's not "a job" anymore.
That's the way the worm turns.
That's the way the side hustles.
I write Christian books, but it is more of a hobby for me than an income producer, and I'm glad when the books helps someone. I just wrote my first general market book on how I overcame apnea and snoring without a CPAP, and that actually seems to be selling better. So, I hope that one helps some people too. Here is the Amazon link in case anyone is interested in the topic: https://www.amazon.com/CPAP-No-More-Stopped-Overcame/dp/1963010183/ The book is called CPAP No More: How I Stopped Snoring, Overcame Sleep Apnea, and Beat the CPAP.
Maybe is a sign that the subject matter of the book is of little interest to... you know... literaties peoples of the world?
Spellcheck says literaties is not a word.
That's the way rappers are made.
What about the writers that write snappy banter for sitcoms or clever plot hooks for detective series? Does that count as writing? Maybe novels are a somewhat antiquated means of self expression? They haven't gone the way of the Saturday Evening Post short story, but they aren't a lot freshmen who dream of writing the Great American Novel......Coach used to make leather goods such as harnesses for the literal carriage trade. They switched and started making leather goods such as designer bags for the former carriage trade. In a capitalist economy, you learn to adapt. Writers what with their superior imaginations will have to find some way of evolving and using their vestigial tale (heh) to hang on to the upper branch.
By “writer’s lifestyle,” I meant keeping a roof over your head and food in the cupboard just by writing.
The big money in male pulp fiction, fantasy, and comic books shifted to interactive video games decades ago.
And now there's litRPG bringing them back to reading.
@imTay I had one of those nighttime security jobs when I was in seminary. It was a lifesaver. I needed 8 hours to work, 8 hours to sleep, 8 hours for class work, and 8 hours for reading and study. Unfortunately, that adds up to 32 hours a day instead of 24. The security job allowed me to combine the 8 hours of work and 8 hours of study into one 8-hour period. Problem solved!
Book writing is a refutation of the labor theory of value.
"Several notable baseball players have made the sentiment that they would play for nothing because of their love for the game.
Bill Mazeroski: The Hall of Fame second baseman famously stated that he never worried about money and would play for nothing.
Butch Wynegar: Former Minnesota Twins catcher Butch Wynegar reportedly told owner Calvin Griffith that he loved the game so much he would play for nothing.
Shoeless Joe Jackson: While often a point of debate due to its popularization in the film Field of Dreams (where the character says he'd "play for nothing"), historical records show Jackson was actually among the poorest paid stars of his era, making significantly less than contemporaries like Ty Cobb."
Maybe "for the love of writing" just doesn't have the same ring as "for the love of the game".
Oprah with her Book Club episodes made writers some $$$.
"What about the writers that write snappy banter for sitcoms or clever plot hooks for detective series? Does that count as writing?"
I was tempted to say "that's not writing thats typing (h/t capote)" but look there's nothing wrong with writing for TV or Movies. But to compare it to novel writing is misleading. Drawing comic strip characters made Charles schultz a lot of money, but no one thinks his drawings equaled Picasso or Rembrandt.
And Analogy alert - no I'm not saying every novelist equals Picasso.
Prolific author Len Deighton died last month. He quit writing in 1996 after the publication of his final novel, explaining that "writing is a mug's game." He said he never really enjoyed writing, despite his literary success. T.S. Eliot expressed a similar sentiment: "Poetry is a mug's game."
I agree. I've written professionally and successfully for most of my adult life. Many publications, including books, to my credit; many glowing reviews. I regret having chosen that path. I never made much money at it. I tried. Lord knows I tried. I wish now I had learned a trade -- e.g., welding -- where I could have made good money, and perhaps writing in my spare time, as a hobby.
You have to admire the business, money-making skill of Movie producers and TV execs, but they're rich because they put out disposable entertainment for the masses. And if all you want is entertainment, well good for you. Some of us want more.
Write the graphic novel and sell it to movies, TV, and videogames. Don't bother with the all-word medium. Marcel Proust has been adapted to graphic form, so just about anything will work. He was also pretty good at turning out sequels.
I will write the Great American novel, said everybody.
Maybe -- just maybe -- the media types who really get into hyping polyamory aren't reflective of the book buying public, never mind the country as a whole.
If I had a dollar for every hour I've spent writing my book I could buy a new car. A really nice one! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U0C9HKW
Wince said...
“I will write the Great American novel, said everybody.”
*I* will write the great American funny birthday card.
My father-in-law and a couple of friends, scuba divers all, combined on a book of recipes for fish, called "Bottoms Up Cookery." This was some time ago, but they all three made enough to do pretty well. Father-in-law bought a boat. They were still getting orders for books after about 20 years.
There are more writers making money writing today- as a percentage of the population- then any previous time in history. Possibly even more making a living out of it.
Because- the gatekeepers have lost their power. Indie publishing is where it's at. As my son just walked by I asked him- "How many of your friends have published AND sold books?" 3, 2 from college and 1 from the Army. The one who has made the most has published several smut short stories and novellas. To make money- there's apparently a large demand for this. And the ones he wants to write and has written are SciFi. Under more then one name. They sell, but not as well as the smut. My son-27- is working on his own historical SF novel. I have provided input from time to time. A LOT of his friends are writing something. In the days of gatekeepers all they've written would end up in the slush pile, many returned completely unread. Now- entry cost is near zero- no gatekeepers to approve. Submit to a print-on-demand and ebook publisher, or just ebook, and you're done.
I have a story outlined- set in an established author's universe. I may get serious about contacting her, I may not. I have few articles floating around on the internet a a guest on someone else's blog, and a few from pre-internet newsletters. In quote marks, search "Church of Human Expansion" you'll find one of my ideas.
Fanfic is a huge genre- covering several genres. And- there are people who make money writing fanfic that others pay them to write based on their ideas, but they can't bring it together themselves. And want to read the story they've thought of...
There are all kinds of writer's groups around. I'm a member of one on Facebook. You no longer have to live in an area with a lot of like minded people and get together once a month. You can cover the world, have more members, and bounce ideas off hundreds or even thousands of others.
Official Alphabetical List of Author Success
And yet, I am assured that some politicians can sell their literary works for tens of millions of dollars. That means their books are being read by many, many, many people, correct?
There have been more great books written than any of us have time to read. I'm surprised this fat mudshark even sold 3,000.
Gospace: I even know a non-smutty historical romance novelist who clears six figures a year on Amazon. She's an historian by training; likes teaching real history objectively, and she has a big following. It's great: Amazon takes a much lower cut than publishers but offers free advice for marketing and book production. They even answer the phone for luddites like me!
Bezos is a buffoon, but I remember him on Oprah decades ago talking about this crazy idea he had about making publishing open to anyone. We started at 60% income sales; could mass purchase books at reduced prices and sell them ourselves at events for any price, and the Kindle sales were surprisingly more than half of what came in. Over time, the percentage you earn goes down. But if you put in the work to tour and do readings for the first year, you can earn. And that's not as hard as it seems. Hit homeschool conferences and book fairs. Sadly, we had those things planned, but Larry Grathwohl passed away unexpectedly. Still, his crucial story has been spread around the world and benefitted him and his daughters.
CJ in PA: Larry was recruited at a time when the elite Weathermen were looking for disgruntled soldiers to teach them how to build bombs and give them lower-class, street-smart credibility. He risked his life daily, enduring constant psychologial mau-mauing so he could carry out his mission: to teach them how to make " bombs" that didnt work and report ba,k to the FBI when bombings were planned. He was assigned to Bill Ayers "focal" and prevented Ayers from killing scores of police and black patrons of a chicken restaurant next door when Ayers didn't care about the collateral damage, ie. Innocent black people eating in a restaurant. And he warned America on 60 Minutes how dangerous these people really were -- and are.
The saddest part of his story is how close he became to some of the women seduced into and used by the movement. He had to not react when they were sexually abused. He had to not react when the young single moms exposed their kids to these horrors -- children neglected and abused and crawling among explosives. See: Obama confidant Jeff Jones. Bernardine Dohrn, who wore the pants, said white children had to be given away to advance the revolution as she bombed cops.
He endued this for us and had to go into hiding when he was exposed and a bounty was placed on his head -- to kill him. He was an American hero, raised poor by a single mom. And one of the smartest people I have ever known. He could intuit any situation. He bore no ire, but for the trust fund bombers.
The book industry is just like Hollywood, and running into the exact same problems.
Identity politics Both creative industries are overwhelmingly leftist. They are constantly championing "diversity." It's insane. I'll give you one example. Richard North Patterson. You've probably heard of him. The man has sold 25 million books. Well, he wrote a novel with a black protagonist. And 19 major book publishers passed on it. Specifically, for racist reasons. He was a white man. This hugely successful author had to go to a tiny imprint run by a Republican (Adam Bellow, Saul Bellow's son), who has no money for marketing or distribution or anything that a normal house would give you. I was really startled by the uniformity of response and by how explicit publishers were inciting my ethnicity as a reason.
It's so insane. The author is invisible! The book is the only thing that matters! He will make you millions of dollars! The leftist insanity is so bad, they have thrown both art and commerce out the window. They'd rather publish books that sanctify leftist orthodoxy and nobody wants to read.
I said "the author is invisible" because a book is just words on the page. We don't who the good authors are, until we read them. Anybody who has a "white male" rule is a racist, and a sexist. She's relying on stupid rules so she doesn't have to do her job, which is find good art
This is why some female authors back in the day used to pretend they were men. That's an easy fraud to commit because when you're reading a book, it's just words on the page. Nobody could tell!
Identity politics champions the look (skin color and genitalia) of the author more than the actual work produced. It's appallingly stupid.
In Patterson's case, he's not invisible, of course. He's got a strong brand. He's got a legion of fans who want to read his stuff. Not because he's a "white male" but because they've read his stuff before and know what to expect. That's a valuable brand that takes years and years to develop.
The industry tossed that brand aside like it was nothing. Like it's Jaguar or Bud Light, and you hate your customers and you have no interest in pleasing them. Those 19 publishers who refuse to make money or art, because of their political beliefs? That's insane. They don't realize how crazy they are, because everybody they talk to believes what they believe. The New York publishing industry is now producing the Hapsburg jaw, with all the intellectual in-breeding they do.
Meanwhile “Theo of Golden” has sold more than 300,000 copies based almost exclusively on word of mouth. Tell a story that makes people feel hopeful rather than grossed out, and see what happens.
Being a writer or an artist is a great life, if you can make money doing it. It's always been hard. So many people want into that life. The artistic difference between a painting that sells for $200 and one that sells for $2 million can be slight. That's mind-boggling.
Before Star Wars was released, everybody thought it was a disaster. The actors thought their dialog was juvenile and ridiculous. Even today, people say Lucas can't write, or direct. I'm like, did you see the movie? It's a great movie. But while he was in the process of making his art, nobody had faith in what he was doing. The studio funded it because he had a financial success with American Graffiti. That's what you do, you fund the artists who make you money. But the horrible part of the film industry, and the book industry, is how uncertain profits can be for unknown art.
You rely on brand and stars, because audiences associate those things with certain types of art, and seek it out.
The book industry is now propping up dead people with strong brands. Agatha Christie, Dick Francis, Robert Parker, and hiring ghost writers to put the words on the page. That's crazy, right? The ghost writer is not the same artist who created the good stuff. But they're still trying to sell books based on the identity, not the actual art.
Okay, guess this is a good place to pump my newly-published book: “ Anacrostics and Other Quotations Puzzles to Enrich Your Soul.” It’s on Amazon and it’s a book of 100 puzzles, mostly anacrostics (or “acrostics” as some call them). I’ve published over a thousand of these puzzles in my local paper, the Goshen News, over the last 25 years. Of course I self-published on KDP via Amazon. My book’s been out for about 6 weeks now and I’m selling about one per week, each of which nets me four bucks. I did the book just to do it, to test the direct publishing waters, to have something in my hand to exhibit a quirky skill I’ve developed. To help promote it I, with the help of a tech friend and Claude, have an interactive version at Anacrostic.com.
I’ve enjoyed the experience, would love to actually pocket some dining out cash, and plan to publish a second book soon. My two novels which I wrote over a decade ago never got this far. But I did complete them.
If you’ve read this much (and you haven’t, I’m sure) thanks. Now you are obligated to buy a copy.
If I had a dollar for every hour I've spent writing my book I could buy a new car. A really nice one!
Then there's Isaac Asimov, who typed 120 words per minute, and wrote 40 novels, 382 short stories, and over 280 non-fiction books in a 53-year career. Oh, and in between, he also edited 147 other works.
They say he once got writer's block, and it was the toughest hour of his life.
Anthony Burgess, cancellable nowdays on many grounds, wrote and got published a novel with a black protagonist--
"M/F"--and Updike was criticized for writing "Terrorist" from the POV of a young, non-white Muslim.
Asimov was talented and prolific indeed, but on topics I know something about he's pretty shaky.
FYI Lindy West comes from an affluent family and has never needed the money from writing.
Narr,
> on topics I know something about he's pretty shaky.
Asimov should have stuck to writing science fiction, eh?
I would never question Asimov's science, or his science fiction.
Roughcoat: what do you write? You're right to imagine combining manual labor with writing is ideal for those of us who can't earn at writing. I was at my best doing one day at the desk, one day manual labor rebuilding run-down houses.
It was the desk that effed up my back the most.
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