Writes Benjamin Weingarten in "The Grey Zone: When Do Protest Observers Become Lawbreaking Participants?" (Real Clear Investigations).
"Some anti-ICE groups, as well as the Guild and the ACLU, warn activists that there is a line between protected behavior and that which might run afoul of the law, and that observers may sometimes become liable as actors. The Guild warns that law enforcement may smudge that line. 'Just because you have legal rights does not mean the government will respect them. In fact, law enforcement will generally trample over your rights,' its 'Know Your Risks' pamphlet reads.... For its part, DOJ has slapped some 650-plus individuals with charges under federal law since the summer of 2025, according to a recent Reuters analysis – including for allegedly following federal agents in their cars. In some instances, media reports suggest that prosecutors have downgraded such charges or chosen not to prosecute...."
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"Legal observers"..
can we At Least, All Agree?
That "Legal observers" have the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT,
to attack law officers with automobiles?
That "Legal observers" have the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT,
to go armed with intend to shoot law officers?
can we AT LEAST agree to that?
If not, i'm not sure what there is left to discuss
I detest the word “exists.” “Legal observers exist to help”
should be “Legal observers help vindicate . . . “
The proliferation of surveillance cameras, phone cameras, and police body cameras have helped vindicate police and helped discredit “legal observers.”
As actors and accessories to their crimes, which in the case of Anti-ICE includes murder, rape, rape-rape, molestation, redistributive change, fraud, etc.
Don't direct a guided SUV to entertain abortive ideation. And don't bring other weapons to legal confrontations.
blocking police cars..
alerting and warning criminals..
distrubting arrests..
Murdering Police Officiers..
this is what these "Legal observers" are allowed to do..
correct?
When Do Protest Observers Become Lawbreaking Participants?
When they are Republicans.
Show me a single example of a person simply observing ICE agents who was arrested?
The gray zone sounds like the area just over the wrong side of legal/illegal line, extending deep into if this aint it why do we even have treason? territory…
The National Lawyers Guild is a domestic terrorist organization that produced convicted terrorist accomplice and traitor Lynne Stewart.
Anything they say about the Constitutional Rights can be used for toliet paper.
The answer is, "Usually when commies are present," as in any assembly of the National Lawyers Guild.
“When Do Protest Observers Become Lawbreaking Participants?“
Just spitballin’ here but how about:
When they break the law?
"Legal Observers" have no extra-Constitutional rights, certainly no right to engage in harassment or obstruction. Organizing for the purpose of obstruction is a further crime of conspiracy to obstruct, such as Don Lemon is now finding out.
"drawing fatal fire from an officer nearly struck by the vehicle"
How can he write this? It's on video.
Cities Church is private property every person who entered as or with protesters disrupted the service. Every person who remained after being asked to leave was a trespasser. These are not protected First Amendment activities. The only “blurriness” or “greyness” exists because scofflaw Democrats and their scofflaw judges, lawyers, mediaswine a juries concoct them.
According to the National Lawyers Guild, which formalized the practice..."
I'm sorry, did I hear them say "formalized the practice"? It may be regularized, even bureaucratized, but it is not in any sense formalized.
Legal observers are just people. Self-important petty tyrants, sure. But just people none-the-less, with no official standing.
And the National Lawyers Guild is a commie operation whose only purpose is to undermine free societies and make them ungovernable to pave the way for revolution.
So "legal observers" are wonderful, but republican poll watchers are bad and should be removed/excluded?
Renee Good was blocking vehicle traffic during an ICE enforcement effort and rammed an officer with her vehicle while her “wife” verbally harassed officers outside the vehicle. It’s all on video. Legal observer my ass!
National Lawyers Guild? Wasn’t that a tool of the Communist Party?
Sounds like the "Fair Witness" of Stranger in a Strange Land" but without the non-bias.
Are these "legal observers" certified by anyone? Do they have Id? (besides a hat) can one be a legal observer without legal expertise like being a lawyer? Can I just go to a demo and call myself a legal observer?
Was Don Lemon a legal observer in Tha church demo
John Henry
Assault is a line. For instance, you can yell invectives at police, who are simply crossing the street. But if you throw your sandwich at them, you are no longer observing. Same if you put your car in gear and accelerate towards an officer. Or you interfere with an officer engaged with other protesters, even if you believe the officer is in the wrong. An observer would record the officer's behavior, report it to others to be used later in a court of law, and otherwise not engage directly, especially physically, with officers.
Meh, it's Tweedledee and Tweedledum. They are all on the same team, some of them are just wearing a different uniform, like a soccer goalie.
I wish people would stop treating civil rights like a baited trap.
"...The Guild warns that law enforcement may smudge that line. 'Just because you have legal rights does not mean the government will respect them. ..."
But We of the Guild wouldn't, ya unnerstand, we wouldn't dream of ever, ever, crossing the line into something unethical or illegal.....
"...In some instances, media reports suggest that prosecutors have downgraded such charges or chosen not to prosecute...." How many? That smells like a 10% issue trying to pass as a 90% one - since those reports are just suggesting.
I wish people would stop treating civil rights as disposable.
The blood of the Patriots murdered by the Obesity Army of the new Confederate States of America washed the jackbooted thugs and ICE Barbie off the streets and down the sewer.
Mission Accomplished
Legal Observer implies Legal. If you break the law while observing you are not a Legal Observer.
John henry said...Can I just go to a demo and call myself a legal observer?
Yes. Because it's not a real thing. The NLG doesn't own it, the government doesn't regulate or license it. It's just a made-up title some protestors give themselves so they can order people around.
The NLG were stinking Commies then, and they are stinking Commies now.
Kind of what I suspected tim
If I were younger I might print up an ID as a MAGA Legal Observer to make sure the agitators were respecting ICE constitutional rights.
Might be fun
John Henry
When they are Republicans.
Communist devils advocates since the 20s pointing out was the outrage that mccarthy was guilty of
The National Lawyers' Guild is a front for Communists, and I mean actual Communists, and not the the term of abuse we sloppily use on the Right for obnoxious socialist-adjacent Democrats like a few of the people who post here. These are the real kind of Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist Communists. The violent break-eggs-to-make-omelets kind. The gulag and torture and collective-punishment kind. The Bill Ayers types who eagerly look forward to the exemplary mass execution of millions of Americans after they seize power in a violent armed revolution.
Anything we can do to bring them low is OK by me. They are among the most evil people in the world.
Lawyers have the most powerful union out there in the ABA, whadda they need a guild for?
Mister we could use a man like J Edgar Hoover again.
As pointed out above, the NLG are doctrinaire communists. Interesting that they cite the Black Panthers, an armed terrorist group, as the origin of their bogus "legal observer" scam. It is a shame that you can no longer tell the difference between the NLG and the ACLU. Back in the late 60s, a friend of my father's moved to Australia because he thought that the US was going to hell and nothing could stop it. He eventually moved back but I think he was merely premature. Unfortunately, I have no idea where you'd move to these days.
I would say it’s when they intentionally, physically block law enforcement from performing legally assigned duties.
This is what happened in the 2 shooting deaths in MN.
I would not have shot them, but that’s why I’m not in law enforcement.
"I wish people would stop treating civil rights as disposable."
Me too. Some legislative body somewhere in the county attempts to violate the 2nd Amendment over and over on a nearly continuous basis.
"...shall not be infringed.".
“ The blood of the Patriots murdered by the Obesity Army of the new Confederate States of America washed the jackbooted thugs and ICE Barbie off the streets and down the sewer.
Mission Accomplished”
Howard, I don’t complain because you pen poetry, but only that you pen bad poetry.
Leonard pinth garnell
It’s a system not an instance. We have legal observers, we
Have:
Operations:
1. Media fluffing. Publicity and framing of tv coverage in advance.
2. Coordination with sympathetic local government including police.
3. Finance, bus in the homeless.
4. Documentation, full coverage video. Legal observers to document police actions.
5.De-arrest and extraction by overwhelming police.
6. Direct violence using weapons of bricks, frozen water cups, fireworks, beating.
7. Medics to claim innocent support.
8. Logistics, provide gas masks, fireworks, bricks, and Molotov cocktails. Jail support by record keeping.
9. Bail support, bail out the team.
10. Auxiliaries, scouts who provide intel, banner teams who carry big signs. Teachers unions that take kids out of school and throw them in the fray.
Left wing idiots think the words "lEgAl oBsErVeR" are some magical talisman that allows them to do whatever they want like Joss Ackland's "Diplomatic Immunity" in Lethal Weapon 2.
As far as I know "legal observer" has no legal meaning. Same as bystander, whether innocent or not is the only question.
Honored to follow narciso. I usually like what he says on the rare occasions when I can understand what he's saying.
When you're part of a conspiracy to violate the law, which they are, you're not an "observer", you're a "conspirator"
A lot of them are clearly illegal observers, like a lookout during a robbery.
Left wing idiots think the words "lEgAl oBsErVeR" are some magical talisman that allows them to do whatever they want like Joss Ackland's "Diplomatic Immunity" in Lethal Weapon 2.
See also, "Our Democracy", "common sense gun safety", "across state lines", and "international waters" for more shibboleths that are widely parroted by left-wing midwits with only the sketchiest understanding of the underlying issues.
If the leftists take over the government again, the sides on this issue will flip in perfect symmetry. The Right generally doesn't have time for the performative stuff. They're busy doing things with their time, but they also get things done beyond singing and chanting.
One restriction on the 1st Amendment that I would support is prosecuting violations of Godwin's Law. It's really making free speech look bad.
Exactly BagoH2O. Especially the Trump administration trying to take away guns for the taking a single bong hit or taking any unprescribed drug like Ambien or testosterone. And there's more. No more open or concealed carry in protests because it makes you an automatic terrorist traitor according to Bondi, Patel and Bessent.
Democratics: leave your guided missiles, guns, scalpels, IEDs, and incendiary devices at home. Republicans: just stay home.
“Legal observers” doesn’t imply that the observers’ actions are legal, or lawful, only that they’re there to see if the police are following the law. Of course, they’re mostly legal obstructors, and their actions are often unlawful
Using the Black Panthers as a comparison to the "legal observers" of ICE is what I expect from the Left.
Can a Leftist tell me if Immigration law was passed by Congress? Is ICE a gestapo paramilitary used by Trump?
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