Here's Meade's video of him, from 2011, at the Wisconsin protests:
And here's my photo of a button that I still have right here on my desk and that I wore in 1988:
Discussed in an old diavlog, here, back in 2007, when Obama was first running for President.
From the Washington Post obituary:
His drive and passion... brought him detractors. At times, he annoyed King, and he feuded with other King aides, some of whom considered him a shameless self-promoter.
Like many who knew him well, Roger Wilkins found Rev. Jackson both inspiring and exasperating. As an editorial writer for The Washington Post in the 1970s, Wilkins had to deal with Rev. Jackson as a frequent, and often uninvited, visitor.
“He would just show up,” Wilkins said. “It was, ‘Rev. Jackson with Dr. So-and-So is downstairs to see you.’ He wanted his name in the paper.”
In 1968, Wilkins, as a young African American official in the Justice Department, walked the streets of Washington amid the rioting that followed King’s assassination. He made his way to 14th Street NW, where Rev. Jackson was speaking to an angry crowd.
“It’s not Black pride to burn down a Black man’s store,” Wilkins recalled Rev. Jackson saying. After a while, the anger subsided, and the crowd began to drift away. “I saw it with my own eyes,” Wilkins said. “He really did preach the violence out of those people.”

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Grifter. Good at it though. World class.
Speak no ill of the dead.
Jesse Jackson was pro-life, in the 1970's. He had to abandon his beliefs when he ran for president in 1984, because of course Democrats are hostile to pro-lifers. (Jimmy Carter was another pro-life Democrat who had to get in line).
We're all sinners, of course, and we all fall short. But I think it's a real shame that politics forced him to be quiet on this issue and kept him from speaking his heart.
Ah Jessie Jackson the original race huckster. He came to my high school in Bloomfield hills Mi in the 1980's to stir up racial animosity. I remember the secret service removed someone from the auditorium catwalks who had snuck up there several days before and had been hiding out waiting for some opportunity to do something (I don't remember if they had a weapon or not). Of course all us mush minded kids were encouraged to worship Jessie as the second coming of black jesus. I remember thinking Meh.
He was a character. Never liked his race-hustle schtick but truly admired his ability to turn a memorable phrase. He was also however a notorious mumbler and inspired the longest running game show on radio when Tim Conway Jr. created “What the hell did Jesse Jackson say?” on KFI in LA in the late 90’s. Jackson even joined him at least once as I recall earning more respect from me. There are few public figures who will join in on self-mockery with good humor like that.
Probably the last of his kind in that respect. Sharpton and Obama are just too mean spirited and hateful towards their fellow Americans.
Duly noted.
Say what you will about the guy, but his rendition of "Green Eggs and Ham" on Saturday Night Live many years ago had me on the floor from laughter.
Don't speak ill of the dead? Don't write a thing about JJ.
I think that his politics aged better than most from that era.
Face it, we don't live in the capitalist republic that Jesse Jackson's opponents believed that they were defending, can you open a store on main street? What if you want to open a restaurant, forget about all of the chains owned by people with easy access to massive capital because they are part of the Epstein class. Just drive down a highway on the edge of town and look at garishly painted box after box, the standard architecture of stores built by billionaire oligarchs to sell you cheap Chinese crap.
I am not a person who believes that there is racism behind every tree, but when we are all cheering on the bombing of a nation of 90 million brown people, because 7 million white people who live in a theocratic state led by a man who believes in borders based on a Bronze Age text, backed by people who think that doing that will bring back Jesus, well there is no real argument for this coming war other than racism.
The undoubted, undeniable suffering of the Jewish people in Europe should never be forgotten, but how many tens of millions of Indians were killed by us? Do we really care? To even bring it up is to invite mockery.
I guess what I am saying is "Brother we could use a man like Jesse Jackson, again..."
Green Eggs and Ham
That's beautiful, brother. RIP and walk with God.
I guess the argument for the war is to strike at Russia and China's underbelly at the same time, I know, I know, you were already convinced, stop selling! But the justification sold to the American people? Well only 28% of Americans are for this war, per some polls, well the justification is racist at its root.
Curious George said...
Grifter. Good at it though. World class.
I think he aimed it in generally the right direction, as best I remember. His activities, such as the vignette related by our hostess, stand in contrast to somebody like Sharpton, who started riots and burned out a small businesses, or the current crop of 'diversity' hustlers
Jesse Jackson rescues hostages.
This might make some people yelp, but one thing Jackson and Trump have in common is a willingness to meet with and talk to anybody, no matter how bad they are. Jackson would go into some terrorist hellhole, with zero power, and just talk to the assholes, and get them to release people. Completely outside the government process. I'm sure he annoyed the hell out of the state department. Nonetheless, that is Christianity at its finest. Kudos.
Complicated man, complicated legacy. RIP.
He had a masculine energy about him that is missing on the Left today.
Hymietown, nuff said.
A true gadfly, with a mixed legacy, but more downsides than upsides.
X percent of success is showing up, yah? Effective orator…
I got nothing.
Didn’t he persuade AB to grant him the beer distributorship for the Northside of Chicago that included Wrigleyville?
@Jaq, I thought you were retiring the “endless war” schtick. Funny how you insert it in a Jesse L. Jackson memorial post.
Career: Keep racism alive. RIP
Yes, in 1998, Anheuser-Busch (AB) granted a lucrative beer distributorship to a group led by two of the Rev. Jesse Jackson's sons, Yusef and Jonathan Jackson.
The deal was highly controversial because it came 16 years after the Rev. Jackson led a nationwide boycott against the brewer, using the slogan "Bud's a Dud" to protest its lack of minority-owned distributorships.
The Entity: The business was known as River North Sales & Service.
Territory: It held exclusive rights to distribute Budweiser and other AB products across a 62-square-mile swath of Chicago’s North Side.
Wrigleyville Inclusion: The territory specifically included high-traffic venues such as Wrigley Field and the United Center.
Scale: At the time of the deal, the distributorship was estimated to generate between $30 million and $40 million in annual sales
If you are a master distributor for AB, every bottle of AB beer sold in your territory goes through your master distributorship. Whether it be to small distributors or bars. Every drop passes through you. A sweet deal.
He came to town in ‘88 during his presidential campaign and I went to his event with two buddies. I will credit him twice: the dude could deliver a speech, and he stood on the stage in Huntsville, Alabama and said that the space program was a ‘toy for the rich’. lol
Later that year I was at the Tyson-Spinks fight in Atlantic City and attended an event after the fight that was also attended by Jackson (who was with Tawana Brawley’s mother). There were lots of celebrities there and I got to most of them, including some rich dude from NYC who now lives in D.C.
I really wanted to say hello to Jessie but he was surrounded the entire time, so near the end of the event he’s finally standing by himself and I make my way over to him. About ten feet away we lock eyes, and though he didn’t say anything to me, his eyes said ‘fuck you, boy - you ain’t talking to me’.
And I had just met Tyson and a very dazed Spinks, and neither of were intimidating in any way. Truly bizarre!! The only time in my entire life I’ve felt that way - fine work, reverend!
He was an early pioneer in the civil rights movement.
He was also an early pioneer of public antisemitism.
And he was also an early pioneer in corporate shakedowns.
He also set American poetry back 3 decades.
Like a handful of others, he fought the good fight, then went off on his own and used it for his own purposes.
I can't believe you voted for him for President. So young. So taken in. I, on the other hand, voted for Ron Paul. So young. So taken in.
Good times.
Now who are the corporations supposed to pay to get out of race jail when the media decides they said something racist?
There's no doubt that the advancement of Jesse Jackson was at the top of his agenda, but there's also no doubt that he was sincere about the other stuff. He was good at it and deserves to be remembered well.
Jaq said...
I guess the argument for the war is to strike at Russia and China's underbelly at the same time, I know, I know, you were already convinced, stop selling! But the justification sold to the American people? Well only 28% of Americans are for this war, per some polls, well the justification is racist at its root.
This is what it looks like when your moral development gets more juvenile over time.
Resist we much his successor in track suits al sharpton
He was hoovers fear manifest a real dark presence on americas soul
@Temujin: You missed part of the story. Jackson's first controvery happened when he was 26 years old -- the 1968 killing of MLK Jr.
He claimed to "cradle the dying MLK in his arms" but later changed his story, and apparently wiped some blood from the ground with his shirt.
Jackson didn't have Robert Duvall's range, but he could sure disappear into a character.
I liked how Rush Limbaugh used to say ‘The Reverend Jackson’ in the voice of William F Buckley Jr.
Jackson said he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off. I think maybe he felt about Obama the way Hillary feels about Trump.
The reason he hasn't protested in Chicago for years is because the city elites awarded his sons the Budweiser franchise at Comisky park.
He was very good at what he did and got very wealthy doing it. The people he purported to help? Not so much.
I remember him interviewed on 60 Minutes sometime in the early 1980s. He was making the point that it was unrealistic for young black kids to dream of being a pro athlete because there were only a few thousand of those jobs in the whole country. He was advocating they pursue more realistic dreams. He was right.
Achilles said...
This is what it looks like when your moral development gets more juvenile over time.
You mean quoting someone out of context, posting it a different discussion, and making an ad hominem statement?
Obama 1.0
'Western cultures gotta go' congratulations you won
John Kass at the Chicago Trib called him "the King of Beers".
I went back and watched some of the bloggingheads.tv video and found out that Althouse knows the proper calculation for the drop to hang someone so that there head doesn’t pop off.
Jesse Jackson monetized liberal guilt, monetized his political career as self-proclaimed spokesperson for a black community who often viewed him with distaste. He extorted lucrative business deals from corporations that enriched him and his family, without providing the average black single mother and her children better opportunities.
Leland said...
Achilles said...
This is what it looks like when your moral development gets more juvenile over time.
You mean quoting someone out of context, posting it a different discussion, and making an ad hominem statement?
I meant Tim posting stupid juvenile whining about wars on a Jesse Jackson Memorial thread.
What are you posting about?
The Vault Dweller said...
He had a masculine energy about him that is missing on the Left today
I worked Jackson's '88 campaign and hung out with several of the college-aged volunteers, all black males. Thing I heard over and over again is that their attraction to Jackson was in part experiencing a strong, prominent black man who was not an athlete nor a rapper. All of those young men grew up without a father.
Good riddance to bad rubbish they venerate him and they give thd stink eye to clarence thomas
As a native Chicagoan, I was well aware of Jesse Jackson and his machinations. His shakedown tactics enriched his family and friends. His theatrics were despised by older civil rights leaders because it always put him right in front of the camera as they had to stand behind him.
However, I find it difficult to focus on all his negatives as he passes from this world.
Grifter Extraordinaire,
shakedown con artist goes to... the grave. Bye.
Now that Muzzies are asserting themselves in NYC the "Reverend" Jackson's plea is coming true - Hymietown ain't b lettin' him down,
https://genius.com/Saturday-night-live-hymietown-lyrics
JJ's most memorable quote:
"“I hear footsteps, then I turn and see someone white and feel relieved."
I was in a room with Jackson once. It was ~'66-'67 and our church youth group was traveling from the north burbs once a week to tutor children in Lawndale. At our first meeting we were welcomed by Jesse. He wore a dashiki and had an afro that was 24" wide, at least.
Mainly, however, I remember him as a consummate con man with the beer distributorship as a highlight. At least I learned that I am somebody.
Mr Jackson, this is Mr Qarysh. He’s going to show you how we suck cocks down here. CC, JSM
I have mixed feelings about him. He was a talented guy who wanted to be a Great Man. And I think his heart was more or less in the right place. But he lacked the vision and commitment to really accomplish anything of lasting importance. He was about as famous as Trump for about the same number of years, and was a great communicator. But at the end of the day, what is JJ's legacy? Look how much further Trump got in terms of changing the world.
"Identity politics have set the Democratic
Party back decades entering the 21st Century.
Discuss."
(Homework the non-DEI hires would be assigning your grandchildren in a better world today had Obama been told to work his way up in politics. Oh well. Ask AI can explain it to you and your wife too.)
"Wrigleyville Inclusion: The territory specifically included high-traffic venues such as Wrigley Field and the United Center."
The United Center is nowhere near Wrigleyville.
"“What the hell did Jesse Jackson say?” on KFI in LA in the late 90’s." It was going well into the 2000's and it was must listen radio in my house.
The race hustle grift has grown so large and into every victim group imaginable to the point where today it's probably one of the top ten professions in the U.S.. Top five if you only count blue states.
Good riddance and way overdue, 40 years after Hymietown.
Isn't it interesting how often the people that are 'fighting for you' coincidentally seem to do quite well for themselves, in the meantime?
Well only 28% of Americans are for this war, per some polls,
So, the war is more popular than the Dem's voting against voter ID?
Aggie,
The candidate, "Send me to Washington where I can do some good."
And they go to Washington and do better than mere good. They do very well indeed.
I assume you wore that “Jackson ‘88 “ button for the Dem primary. I might have worn one too if I were the button-wearing type. Though I think I’d have been even more supportive of Sharpton—as the Dem *nominee*. :-)
I had a bit of a confrontation with him during those protests. He was going to be interviewed by ABC NEWS (National not local) and I had a “Support Scott Walker” sign that I was holding. I was going to show up in the back of the interview and he first asked the reporter to ask me to move(which he actually did)-I said no. Then Jackson approached me and asked me to move. I said NO. I knew he was ticked off that he couldn’t get inside the Capitol yet cuz the doors were locked and he kept telling security “I’m Jesse Jackson and those are my people inside the Capitol!”
So I asked him why he was so important that he should be able to muscle his way into the Capitol when a citizen of Wisconsin (me) couldn’t get inside. We went back and forth for another 30 seconds or so until he had to be interviewed.
My opinion of him now is no different than it was then. A grifter. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Whats odd is that I supported Jesse in 1988 when i was just out of college. I can remember my Jewish Landlady being very upset at the "Hymie Town" remark. However, after she saw his convention speech apology she was satisfied, and went back to liking him.
IRC, he was making a lot of remarks about economic injustice and the need to tax the rich and corporations and help the poor which I supported. Of course, it was all BS. Jackson was actually just a race hustler out for himself. In 1988 he was leading a protest at Stanford "Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, Western Civilizations gotta go". And you were right jesse, it went.
"The undoubted, undeniable suffering of the Jewish people in Europe should never be forgotten, but how many tens of millions of Indians were killed by us? Do we really care? To even bring it up is to invite mockery."
Tens of millions - LOL. There were only 1 million Indians in canada and the uSa in 1790. Most Indians were killed by disease and liquor. And i'm not talking about small pox with blankets. It was all unavoidable, and the White Americans couldn't stop small pox from killing them in large numbers, let alone worry about the indians.
As for the Holocaust, its not more or less important then every other genocide and mass killing in history. Whens the last time someone talked about the Armenian Genocide or Pol pot? Should never we "never forget" those? Bibi was justifying his genocide in gaza by invoking the Holocuast. If that's what its for, then maybe we Should forget.
So you were an idiot then, he has been an acolyte of police hatreed white hatred in the service of our enemies all of them
Why weren't Democrats united in voting for Biden in 1988??
I was never a big fan but he had an appearance on SNL where he play a gameshow host for a show call "The Question is Moot!" that was very funny and played on his use of that phrase often during his run for office.
They had a little shame then
“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
― Jesse Jackson
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Jesse Jackson and Trump, back before it became politically useful to call Trump a racist.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2023733884165255409?s=20
Achilles said...
What are you posting about?
Sorry, as I tend to scroll past both Jaq and you, I only found his first post when I came across your ad hominem statement that seemed to not belong to the post. I’ll go back to scrolling past both of you.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket"
I’m looking at you, Rainbow Coalition!!!
"Should never we "never forget" those? Bibi was justifying his genocide in gaza by invoking the Holocuast. If that's what its for, then maybe we Should forget."
I missed the part where the Jews in Germany, killed and raped thousands of Germans of all ages leading the Germans to perpetuate an actual Holocaust.
RC wrote: Bibi was justifying his genocide in gaza by invoking the Holocuast. If that's what its for, then maybe we Should forget.
You have convinced me that Jew hatred rots the mind.
Judging from how Jesse Jackson, Jr., turned out he was a crappy father.
"I missed the part where the Jews in Germany, killed and raped thousands of Germans of all ages leading the Germans to perpetuate an actual Holocaust."
Oh...kay. I don't know what this has to do with what I wrote, but whatever. And actually Germans were raped by the hundreds of thousands when the Red Army invaded Germany. And millions of Germans were taken off for slave labor and about 20 percent died. that was the normal death rate for the Gulag.
But i guess that's been forgotten. Like the Ukrainian holocaust of the 30s.
Anyway, I guess you're against the Jewish Holocaust. Glad you're part of the club.
I respected him for his life story — a very American story, teenage mother, overcame adversity, first Black presidential candidate who actually had a nontrivial chance of winning the nomination. He was also a human being, made in the image of God, but subject to the same temptations as all of us. For me, he can RIP.
As an 18 year old D in 1988, I never figured out the JJ stuff. Left a stench.
If Lloyd had not been Mike's VP, I would have had to sit out. As 18 year old me thought the R's were the bad guys.
Life and experiences change us.
A friend’s brush with Jesse Jackson…
“When I worked managing the FBO at SLC airport, I received a message from Orrin Hatch's office advising me about a VIP flying in on a private jet and they didn't want the press or anyone else to know about Orrin's guest. Things that make you go ummmmm!!!🤔
Anyway, the plane shows up at the same time Orrin walks into my lobby. The door on the plane opens up and who pops out but Jesse Jackson. We parked the plane up front so he was only a few steps to reach our building, so Jesse gets out, our electronic sliding doors open, Jesse walks in… Orrin walks up with both hands out grabbing Jesse by his shoulders, then plants a kiss flat on the lips of Jesse. I was waiting for some reaction but there wasn't any. In fact I think he kind of enjoyed it. Awkward and creepy at the same time.
Euuuuuuuuwwww.🤐🥴🤯”
I saw Jesse Jackson speak at Stanford in 1988. He spoke in, with perfect irony, White Plaza. He was an extraordinary speaker, a master of classic oratory. Conservative writer P.J. O’Rourke famously gave him a backhanded compliment on it:
"I did, however, want to hear Jesse Jackson speak. He is the only living American politician with a mastery of classical rhetoric. Assonance, alliteration, litotes, pleonasm, parallelism, exclamation, climax and epigram—to listen to Jesse Jackson is to hear everything mankind has learned about public speaking since Demosthenes. Thus Jackson, the advocate for people who believe themselves to be excluded from Western culture, was the only1988 presidential candidate to exhibit any of it." ~ P.J. O’Rourke 'PARLIAMENT OF WHORES'
It was fashionable to make fun of Jackson for liking alliteration but alliteration was just one of the more noticeable classical rhetorical touches he mastered. Classical oratory is an art, as stylized as a sonnet, and Jackson was an artist.
At the time, in 1988, he was in the news at Stanford. because the year before he had held a demonstration against Stanford’s mandatory-to-all-students “Western Culture” course series, arguing it should be open to more ideas. “Hey Hey Ho Ho Western Culture’s got to go,” was the chant that launched a thousand right-wing grifters.
This sort of thing was a Sméagol-finding-the-ring origin story for any number of creepy extremists like Peter Thiel. Notably at the time the right-wing outrage grift machine was much slower and more feeble; the mediocre had not yet discovered how much money could be made by it.
Anyway, the Western Culture track did become CIV (Culture Ideas and Values) which according to many right-wing grifters marked the end of Western Civilization both literally and in terms of the course catalog. But as you know they are an excitable lot.
(I avoided the controversy by taking something called SLE, “Structured Liberal Education,” something so self-evidently pompous and self-satirizing that my twelve-year-old cousin made fun of it. Very very good teachers and lectures, though. Just a little too impressed with itself.)
Anyway, Reverend Jackson was a man of many parts, some good, some bad, and I enjoyed and benefited from some of them and not others.
"Anyway, the Western Culture track did become CIV (Culture Ideas and Values) which according to many right-wing grifters marked the end of Western Civilization both literally and in terms of the course catalog. But as you know they are an excitable lot."
Yeah because when you fly thousands of miles to Stanford, to chant "Western Civilization's gotta go" you're just talking about 1 class at Stanford that you want to change a little bid. LOL!
Typical leftwing dishonesty. "We weren't trying to do that. And isn't it great we succeeded."
this reminds me of the left and alger hiss.
1) Hiss isn't a communist - that's crazy.
2) Well hiss was a communist - what's wrong with that?
3) Yeah Ok. He may have been a commie but he was no spy.
4) Well, he may have been a spy but what harm did it do?
5) Well, his spying may have caused some harm. But just a little. It wasn't significant.
If P.J. was still alive today I'd like to think he would be acting like Bill Kristol.
After being a snarky Reagan-lover in the 1980s, O'Rourke ended up disliking what the GOP became in recent decades.
His comment about Jackson is not just a backhanded compliment, it's also a sneer at Bush, Dukakis, and the rest of the candidates. He's very close to understanding something.
"Oh...kay. I don't know what this has to do with what I wrote,..."
My issue is with calling the war in Gaza a "genocide" like the 1940's Germans killing Jews.
Maybe I misunderstood you, or my point is crooked, but I seen no connection or likeness between what happened in 1940's by the Germans and what Israel has done in Gaza, which was in response to the Oct. 7th attacks, so even calling them both "genocides" is unfair to the Jews of both eras. Netanyahu saying he can't let it happen to them again makes sense considering Hamas specially calls for just such an annihilation. Gaza is not a genocide. It's a war against an enemy that uses it own people as shields.
P.J. sometimes drank too close to the typewriter.
they wanted to destroy the foundations of western culture, that uniquely led to freedom and democracy, there were some deviations like marxism and communism that led otherwise,
they murdered women and children, some were burned alive, they recorded much of it, if the einsatgruppen SS death squads had camcorders, thats what they would have done,
thats Hamas in the second instance,
but you have deconstructionists like Derrida Heidegger, and other who thought to tear down the basis for literature, to make it meaningless, to take the universaility of it,
"My issue is with calling the war in Gaza a "genocide" like the 1940's Germans killing Jews."
Thanks for the clarification. You make a fair point. And if you want to argue the Germans killing of the Jews was a worse crime, I'll agree to that. I wasn't trying to claim a total equivilence.
But we lost 400,000 men in WW2 stopping the Holocaust. In Gaza, we gave Israel the bombs and weapons to murder the arabs - 80,000 dead at last count. If people don't like "Genocide" what about "Mass murder" or "War crime"?
I've always thought that "never again" was meant to apply to all peoples everywhere. It appears that I may have been wrong.
I've always thought that "never again" was meant to apply to all peoples everywhere. It appears that I may have been wrong.
Oh is that a vague, feeble attempt to signal you're against mass murder of the Palestinians? Better have that on the record, so you can pretend you stood against the murder of 80 thousand. Typical leftist.
If you've got a taste for tales of Governments Behaving Badly, have I got a book suggestion for you--
"The Train to Crystal City" by Jan Jarboe Russell (available through a portal nearby), is an account of the internment camp in Crystal City, Texas where thousands of Japanese, German, and Italian resident aliens and their American-born spouses and/or children, were held for national security and prisoner-exchange purposes.
One of the more interesting aspects was how FDR's admin hoovered-up (ha) hundreds of Japanese issei and nissei from South America, particularly but not only from Peru.
Many of the younger people in these groups were not Japanese subjects and spoke only Spanish. In some cases they were "repatriated" to Japan and could not return to South America, where their properties had been confiscated, after the war.
I had known about that US program, which only Argentina, Brazil, and I think Mexico had the clout to resist, but these details were new to me.
Lots of other striking stories, but I'll come back later.
Brazil didn't declare war against japan until August 1942. Reason? German Uboats sinking brazilan shipping. Argentiana didn't declare war on the Axis until 1945. Brazil had a large japanese expat community 250K - too large to intern.
Mexico had only 2800 Jp residents. And just made them move away from the coast for a while.
Good to know someone's looking out for the expat Japanese in 1941. When the IJN bombed Pearl harbor they were hardest hit.
No one's really looked into the theft of German, Italian, and Japanese American property during WW 2. People got "relocated" or "interned" and their property often got seized or had to be sold for pennies on the dollars. People who knew someone connected with the US Government agency dealing with "Enemy alien" property made off with the loot.
As a Marine General once said - "War is a racket"
"but how many tens of millions of Indians were killed by us?"
Zero. Zero "tens of millions". The entire native american population of the continental US in 1610 is estimated at 5 million.
"Do we really care? To even bring it up is to invite mockery."
With a display of such astounding innumeracy in service to such a staggering blood libel, well, yeah.
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