From "Plato falls victim to campus culture wars/Jettisoning the Greek philosopher hurts students who yearn to learn how to reason, argue and think" by the Editorial Board of The Washington Post.
What's really going on here? Wasn't this some sort of "malicious compliance" move by opponents of restrictions on left-wing gender ideology?
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One would hope.
Our University system cannot be destroyed fast enough.
Can’t see but sounds like muddying the waters to cover up the campus thought police operating with the left. A client was part of the alum group at Harvard that were trying to restore critical thinking when the leftie thought police went too far. This sounds like an election year reaction to that…
The "split humans" searching for their other half idea was radical and proto-"woke" in past generations. It provided support for homosexuals who weren't getting it elsewhere. I suppose it contradicts today's non-binary, polyandrous, gender fluid, 64 gender, and post-gender thinking.
Wasn't this some sort of "malicious compliance" move by opponents of restrictions on left-wing gender ideology?
Probably not.
"...The clash between faculty and administrators highlights the value of overcorrecting when addressing ideological imbalances on campuses..... And the conflict hopefully isn’t over. Around 200 courses in the spring semester have been flagged for review or canceled by the university...."
Replacing words with the bolded ones, and you've made the assertion more accurate.
Conservatives have been slow to realize that they have an infiltration problem, and are slow to call out / label / publicize the strategy until long after it has become obvious. When Progressives find themselves losing a cause, they infiltrate and misrepresent themselves as conservatives to attack from within.
Witness the candidate in North Carolina that is a lifelong socialist with a long online history, running unopposed as a Republican so she can win the primary and get on the ticket.
"With little known about her policy leanings, the 39-year-old sparked outrage the moment the Durham County Board of Elections listed her as a candidate on Dec. 17, just two days before the enrollment deadline. "
https://nypost.com/2026/01/10/us-news/gop-doubts-intentions-of-newly-converted-hijab-wearing-state-senate-candidate-lakeshia-alston/
This type of petty b******* is red meat for the knuckle dragging morons of MAGA. If the Trump administration truly wants to improve higher education, they could easily ban all federal funding for universities that have bloated administrations. Instead they are restricting academic freedom in order to make a big splash without any real change.
Poor Plato... caught up in the purge of those irrational trans defenders you were laughing at yesterday...
You never played "connect the dots" as a child, eh, ann?
Also known as, be careful what you wish for. Some of you folks who think yourselves so righteous are always the most surprised when people observe, and it comes back to bite you... RIP Scott Adams, Charlie Kirk... Who's next?
serious question:
do students Still study books like Mein Kampf?
or do they limit themselves to only reading GOOD BOOKS like Das Kapital?
WHat about the Bible? do they still have classes on that?
How about the Koran?
I can't think of a single conservative - knuckle-dragging, MAGA, Christian, or otherwise - that has ever objected to the study of Plato. Can you name one, or can you point to an example of one? If you can, I would bet they are deep in the shade on the far fringes. And yet, here they are, being represented as a cultural vanguard, the policy heads of a major university. It doesn't wash.
"What's really going on here?" Steve Hayward answers on his Substack.
Do Bill and Hillary get sent to prison like Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon now??? Only fair, if we have a justice system that works for all....
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What's really going on here? Wasn't this some sort of "malicious compliance" move by opponents of restrictions on left-wing gender ideology?
Yes, that;'s exactly what it is. Everyone involved in giving the order needs to be fired
College, where they make you dumb and you pay them for it, then brag about the accomplishment.
Wasn't this some sort of "malicious compliance" move by opponents of restrictions on left-wing gender ideology?
The use of "wasn't" instead of "was" in this sentence seems to me to cut against our host's position of cruel neutrality. Not that that's any of my business - and besides, I agree, so obviously she is taking the reasoned and correct side.
Howard said...
This type of petty b******* is red meat for the knuckle dragging morons of MAGA.
No, Howard, it is red meat for lefty morons like you. because it is in fact "malicious compliance" by other leftists, not anything done by righties.
If the Trump administration truly wants to improve higher education, they could easily ban all federal funding for universities that have bloated administrations
Since that would be "all of them", I totally agree. let's end ALL Federal funding for any US University that spends more on "administration" than the average % paid by a US University in the 1980s.
I'd love that, you'd hate it.
Instead they are restricting academic freedom in order to make a big splash without any real change.
There is no "academic freedom" for them to "restrict".
Show us the US sociology department that has people in it teaching that SSM is a scam. That there's no such thing as a "Trans woman", only a man with a mental problem. Etc.
Places where only the Left wing view is taught are not places with "academic freedom", they are simply indoctrination camps.
And those should be attacked and shut down.
Howard, I admire your willingness to punch up.
Whatever it was, it was tax-supported, and shouldn't be.,
Let not one stone stand upon another. Sew the earth with salt.
One of my contemporary coworkers is a big dead head and we are talking about Bob Weir's passing. I told him that one of the saddest things about the story is the way he met Jerry Garcia in Palo Alto in the early 60s. I told my coworker that Palo Alto had died long ago and it's been taken over by the most shallow rich people in the world who has epified everything about the Bay area.
Even asked, where did all the hippies go? I said they went into college administration and have destroyed the university system.
"Wasn't this some sort of "malicious compliance" move by opponents of restrictions on left-wing gender ideology?"
That's exactly what I thought when I first saw this story. Malicious compliance is one of those things where people think that they are being so clever, but they usually look childish and petty by doing it.
As in all controversies, context is key. Despite Peterson's objections that his presentation didn't "advocate", the Regents, who no doubt had access to his course materials, felt otherwise. Considering how leftists have totally infiltrated academia and turned "higher education" into nothing more than Marxist indoctrination on this and many other issues, this is a welcome first step but there is a long, long way to go.
All the things I've ever thought were stupid seem like shadows on the wall of a cave compared to this.
Acknowledging gender or sex-correlated attributes (e.g. sexual orientation) is politically incongruent in social liberal club following progressive principles under the Pro-Choice ethical religion.
The parable of the cave is too provocative
TobyTucker said...
As in all controversies, context is key. Despite Peterson's objections that his presentation didn't "advocate", the Regents, who no doubt had access to his course materials, felt otherwise.
Are you ignorant, or just dishonest?
The Regents had NOTHING to do with that order. that order came from members of the A&M Administration who were pissed off at the Regents forcing them to stop pushing their propaganda, and took out their anger any butthurt on Peterson.
What'll they do when they find someone teaching the story of Tiresias? CC, JSM
@Aggie on the absence of conservative objections to Plato.
Way, way back when Christians followed the own teachings several decades ago, the religious right did criticize Greek and Roman sources. See pederasty (adult males with young boys), and orgies, and philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle as the root of pre-Christian, non-Christian "secular humanism."
I was thinking this was happening in a middle school in Kentucky. Brief scan of the article says it's Texas A&M, which resembles a university with semi-adult students.
Liberal malicious compliance at Texas A&M? That one went way over my head. Are you saying that they did this in order to spark "leftist" outrage, to further Texas A&M's underlying liberal conspiracy. Too complex for me.
“What's really going on here? Wasn't this some sort of "malicious compliance" move by opponents of restrictions on left-wing gender ideology?”
Either that, or the woke wackos have never actually read Plato. If they had, his views on slavery and democracy would have gotten him the boot long before the tranny hysteria began.
Certainly, there were Christian and conservative criticisms of Greek practices, but, so far as I know, for centuries there weren't serious efforts to ban Plato. He was seen as a stepping stone towards Christian morality as well as a great philosopher and source of Western thought. One could easily disagree with Greeks about slavery or gender inequality (or in Plato's case, gender equality?) without banning the classics.
In his introduction to the Portable Greek Reader, W.H. Auden contrasted the "different Greeces" that educated Westerners had. Auden's Greece clearly did include homosexual practice, but the Greece of more conservative readers minimized or ignored that. They still read Plato with admiration and respect.
There is no "Culture war" on Campus. There's the far-left imposing its ideaology on everyone else. Recent survey's show something like 95 percent of all Humanities Professors in the Ivy league are Democrats and liberal/left.
Why should anyone be shocked that after "Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, western civilization's got to go", Plato is being booted? And why would anyone expect Universities run by non-Christians and white women would teach anyone thing of value?
Just get rid of the humanities and make college a collection of business and STEM. 'muricans have never cared about anything except money and materialism.
Is there a Koine Greek class that covers Paul’s screeds against malakas and arsenokoites? CC, JSM
The ancient democrats sodomized their boys and girls to force them to take a knee. The modern family still practices their traditional rites.
"Wasn't this some sort of "malicious compliance"
Could have been, but it could also be compliance compliance enforced by an academic bureaucrat acting like a bureaucrat.
And the claim that Plato has been banned is such obvious nonsense that you wonder how they can say it without laughing at themselves.
Just got an email notifying me that Prof. Peterson will be on a live mass Zoom call tomorrow evening, under the auspices of Stand for Campus Freedom*. Anyone can sign up to attend:
https://democracyhouse-org.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_8MmCUnPLTtuB9edCeXJoPw#/registration
*So ever since Trump declared war on the Ivies, I joined Crimson Courage, a Harvard movement to fight back. Not because I agree with them, but because I want to know what they think when they're among themselves. Crimson Courage is part of Stand for Campus Freedom, a loose alliance of similar organizations at various schools. SCF is a project of Democracy House - the label should tell you what's in the tin. Other notables attending tomorrow include Susan Nossel and Erwin Chemerinsky. So Peterson attending this thing tells you which side of the great debate he's on. Should at least be entertaining - might maybe give some insight into whether it's compliance, malicious compliance, or what. Or they might obfuscate that part.
Whole thing reminds me of the manufactured abortion crises where doctors told women "sorry, can't help you because my actions could be construed as an abortion." Fuckers were at minimum stupid, possibly cowardly, and at worst really evil, turning suffering women into propaganda pieces. At least no one's health is in danger from this Platonic stuff. CC, JSM
Then he really is an idiot
Depriving them of federal funding when they refuse to observe civil rights law
yes, malicious compliance. Steve Hayward has the details here with a lot of background
https://stevehayward.substack.com/p/ban-plato-dont-fall-for-it
Essentially, the guy includes some excerpts from Plato's Symposium that read as affirmations of homosexuality in his class, and nothing more.
Maybe the complaint was from a woke troublemaker, but the university did not have to respond to it as it did.
Stephen said...
Maybe the complaint was from a woke troublemaker, but the university did not have to respond to it as it did.
The University is being RUN by "woke troublemakers"
What part of that are you not getting?
There was a time, probably now out of living memory, when Plato's views on homosexuality, or the more obscene sort of Roman poets like Martial, Catullus, and Juvenal, would indeed be kept out of the high school and college classrooms, unless and until the young men learned enough to read them in the original Greek or Latin. English translations would always be bowdlerized. Ovid's Ars Amatoria (The Art of Love) had the distinction of being "Banned in Boston" when published in word-for-word English translation, which was the benchmark for censorious prudery in the late 19th century.,
Then what's the point?
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