I agree with Ta-Nehisi [Coates] on virtually every view he has on things that Charlie Kirk had said. ... I have poured virtually every ounce of myself into preventing everything that Kirk poured himself into creating. For more people than I had understood, the sense that we are in any way in community together—the sense that we are still in a place where we are all practicing and doing politics—has already eroded. Something that’s very alive for me is a feeling that we are not that far from national rupture. So many things that we like to say “can’t happen here” have already been happening here.
[And who do you blame for that?]
I mean, I blame Donald Trump quite specifically for that. I think that the way he has acted in the aftermath of Kirk’s murder has been an exhibition of virtually everything that is wrong....
Klein had said something gracious about Kirk. Coates attacked him. And Klein adopted this strange way of talking about himself. It's so effusive yet vague. Instead of saying "I think we are close to a national rupture," he says "Something that’s very alive for me is a feeling that we are not that far from national rupture." He sounds like a comic character in a play.
Maybe you've seen the recent podcast with Klein and Coates going head to head. I don't know if you can bear to listen to that, but I highly recommend this commentary on it from AntifascistDad, who focuses of Klein's Buddhist turn:
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116 కామెంట్లు:
yes you're a pathetic evil bag of tripe, Tennessee, thanks for removing all doubt
Ezra is low down, Journolista tripe, it pays well,
hes the same sort of slime as Hasan Piker,
There are 2 types of Democrats:
1. Violent Antifa fascists.
2. Dishonest Cowards providing them cover.
Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard, John Fetterman, Bill Maher etc who are not cowards are very rare.
Most are in the Republican party now because this is freedom vs. democrats at this point.
Once you hear "fascist", you know there's no belief in free and fair elections.
We tried to listen to it, but when it was stated (by Klein) that Coates hasn't actually listened to anything Kirk has done, only "read" (which somehow I doubt means full transcripts, and certainly would not reflect his tone), my husband, who usually has a much stronger stomach than I do for idiocy like Coates, announced, "I'm done."
I gather that Klein eventually tried to make the same point to Coates - but now, rather than break with a Great Antiracist, apparently he's decided he agrees with the grifter on "virtually everything."
in an another circumstance, klein would be holding the coats,
not bother with the daggers,
AntifascistDad is really good, so don't let the "antifascist" scare you... which, why should it? You're all antifascist.
thats not how I read it, he wants to destroy Turning Points efforts, because they stand in the way of his great god Obama, those with memory know thats what's its about,
we don't have any use for Communists, which is what Antifascists has meant for 90 years,
"Antifascist" has become a synonym for "Ishkabibble"
The Klein-Coates interview was mind-blowingly ignorant. The second "explanation" by "Antifascist Dad" was incomprehensible to me. I lost brain cells listening to it.
the gulags started with Czarists, then Social Revolutionaries
then Kadets and finally Bolsheviks,
they ultimately don't want a civil discourse, thats why they took over the commanding heights of media and academia,
then the social media platforms,
so, just to be clear..
The Left has REPEATEDLY sent out Assassins to MURDER people on the right (including the President, who; by Direct Intervention of GOD, tilted his head and was spared)..
The left has REPEATEDLY stated that those on the right are:
Less than Human
Nazis
that DESERVE DEATH..
Meanwhile Charlie Kirk "poured himself into creating" a world where people could disagree, yet debate each other, and try to coexist AND LEARN from each other.
Klein, on the otherhand, agrees with Tennessee Coats that they despise virtually every view Charlie has on things like that.
OH! and Klein has a feeling that we are not that far from national rupture.
you and me BOTH!
Ezra's an idiot so I'll leave it to the rest to watch the video. I'm tired of listening to lefties debate Charlie's life. Fuck Klein and Coates.
Kabibble studied law at West Virginia University, but his comedy antics soon found an audience.
Wikipedia - Ish Kabibble
"Fuck Klein and Coates."
Sideways. With a tent stake.
Hegseth humiliated our top generals the right way. ~ Ezra Klein
The former Fox News weekend co-host summoned America’s top generals to leave their posts around the world and fly to Virginia at the expense of millions of taxpayer dollars to hear a lecture that could have been a videoconference. Here’s why it’s time to cut funding for cancer research.
Sideways?
Must look up on Grok.
"Sideways?"
Ask Grok. Or maybe ChatGPT.
Since the 20th century, "Fascist" has largely meant "any team or party, especially a popular and effective one, opposed to the international Communist movement." Some applied the term specifically to Mussolini, as he liked fasces symbolism.
"Fasces" actually means a bundle of sticks with an axe sticking out, or a united group with a ruler and the authority to enforce its own laws. That is a universal need, even among Communists.
Fasces symbols have been common in European history from before Rome to the present. They remain common in US symbols and are even on the back of US dime. One hates fasces if one hates all of European history, which may indeed be true of some people today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces
I’m trying to fact check a figure I just read: Black men are 6.7% of the population and commit 45% of the homicides. If true - and my 28 years in prosecution tells me it is - Coates and the other black whiners ought to address this issue if they intend to be taken seriously on others.
Maybe cancer research could be funded by a return of all that gear the generals left behind for the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Maybe cancer research could be funded by a return of all that gear the generals left behind for the Taliban in Afghanistan.
But we ARE all fascists now. The "third way" of the early 20th century has been universal for almost a century, and that is fascism (lite). Paul Johnson, "Modern Times".
Orwell take on "fascist" is its what you call anyone you don't like.
@hombre on black male crime.
Yes, black males commit crimes way way way out of proportion with anyone else in the US (and this pattern applies globally). Pick your explanation, but US government data is usually presented to obscure the meaning of crime data. They report total murders by white versus black offenders, but don't present it as percentages of the population. They don't report black-on-white versus white-on-black crime number clearly either, at they too makes blacks look (stereotypically) violent and dangerous to be around.
Oh, the profound ironies of the Rodney King and George Floyd cases...single cases led to the deaths of many more blacks than needed to die. But, that's how the world works these days.
The US spends immense sums on medical research, more than anyone else. Its a huge industry. Its not very efficient.
Jupiter’s old but he’s slow.
US medical research - $245 Billion in 2020 (more now probably) public and private, across many agencies/entities.
That's more than the GDP of most medium sized countries.
Discussions between two shitbirds are seldom productive. Coates is a race-baiter… nothing more, nothing less.
I don't trust anyone in 2025 USA who attacks Klein for not being up to the "fight against fascism". Or calls themselves "anti-fascist". They're either a liar or fool. They either know the opposition isn't fascist but call them that to inflame passions and stoke up the potential for conflict and violence OR they're fools who don't understand anything. And just using the word because everyone on Left is using it.
I read Tennesee Coat's article and its his usual crap. Anyone who disagrees with Tennessee Coats is a racist or hates black people and they deserve to get cancelled, destroyed, or silenced. He's also a complete mediocrity who wouldn't be given any space in the Altantic or MSM if he wasn't black.
He's the best example we have of "Black Privilege". He claimed Kirk called for a "US President to be executed". What kirk said in a throw-away line in a discussion about Harris in 2023, was that Biden should be thrown in jail and/or executed for crimes against America. In other words, Treason.
And that's it. IOW, deliberate unserious hyperbole. Not a "call for a President to be executed".
Fasces symbols have been common in European history from before Rome to the present. They remain common in US symbols and are even on the back of US dime.
And in Congress - in the House chamber and on the Senate seal.
All this just reinforces the point that if you expect the Left to behave themselves because you behave yourself - then you are a fool. Kirk tried to be a moderate conservative. He pushed back against racism, supported open borders and mass immigation, and attacked the "hard Right" every chance he got. And the result? People like Coats call him a racist/fascist who deserved to die.
Jupiter/Eva: ""Sideways?"\Ask Grok. Or maybe ChatGPT."
Oh no, you are summoning Goatse....CC, JSM
An OG Juicebox Pundit is distraught. Imagine that.
Re post at 11:20: Wikipedia and Statista report that in 2023, “Black men accounted for approximately 52% of all murder offenders in the United States.” Pew Research and others report they are 6.5% of the population. But “white men have a violence problem” according to Don Lemon and Ilhan Omar.
“AntifascistDad is really good, so don't let the "antifascist" scare you... which, why should it? You're all antifascist.”
I’m subscribed to AntifascistDad’s YouTube channel and look forward to every one of his videos and shorts. We Americans should all be antifascist.
Iman said...
“Discussions between two shitbirds are seldom productive”
I took immediate offense and then I continued reading “Coates is an etc.” never mind.
lololol
The focus on Trump's reaction to the Kirk assassination makes me think of Norm Macdonald: "The comedian Patton Oswalt, he told me 'I think the worst part of the Cosby thing was the hypocrisy.' And I disagree. I thought it was the raping."
"It is funny that, around 1:03:00, Ezra basically says that he wants to get back to a place where Democratic candidates happily lie to people about what they believe in order to get elected."
- PoliMath (Matt Shapiro)
"He's talking about Obama saying 'I'm against gay marriage' when they all knew he wasn't. In the context of this conversation, it seems like Ezra wants Democrats to say 'I'm against trans issues' when they aren't."
- PoliMath (Matt Shapiro)
"Something that’s very alive for me is a feeling that we are not that far from national rupture."
Simply passive aggressive bs, imho. He takes no responsibility for this “feeling” that he has, which has been fomented by none other than the JournoList herder, Ezra Klein.
I am 72. I think I recall some animosity from the Democrats even before Trump was elected in 2016.
"I have poured virtually every ounce of myself into preventing everything that Kirk poured himself into creating. "
All I need to know about these cretins on the left. They built a leftwing zealot hate and intolerance structure.
Now these dedicated leftists try to back out. After their own rigid lies and intolerance-bombs - are detonated - they worm out the back door.
Hey - Buddhism calls. Good timing.
Here in 2025 you could probably fit all the genuine dictionary-defined "fascists" of the United States into the lobby area of the SPLC. It's no achievement to be "antifascist" in America. It's redundant virtue-signalling. It's like being against Elvis truthers, or bat-boy believers.
We have to make using the word "fascist" so uncool and pathetic that nobody wants to be in that clique. As in "Stop trying to make "fascist" a thing! It never happened!"
Inag identifies with radical leftists. nothing new.
To the Left, 'Anti-fascist" means - KILL CHARLIE KIRK.
"Anti-Fascist" means-- Groomed Democratic-Antifa thugs in black masks - are A-OK terrorizing anyone who dare disobey them.
“Inag identifies with radical leftists. nothing new.”
Althouse said…
“AntifascistDad is really good, so don't let the "antifascist" scare you... which, why should it? You're all antifascist.”
Jaime 10:58
Indeed. most Charlie Kirk haters have never honestly listened to any of his work.. Hard-Leftists like Coates cannot listen, because it would force him to realize his dedicated nazi-like hatred of Charlie - is based on lies and BS from his own cult-camp.
"We Americans should all be antifascist."
But you are all fascists anyway (third way)
Or you are all fascists anyway (because someone hates you, for whatever reason - Orwell)
You are demanding the impossible.
Here is Charlie Kirk trying to unite against racism and white supremacy.
The "rupture" noted by Klein is clearly being demonstrated, but I don't see Donald Trump anywhere in this video.
Inag - I wasn't talking Ann - I was talking about you.
All I know about this Coates fella is that he lives in luxury in Paris and that Scott Johnson of Power Line blog read this last book and has a very low opinion of Coates.
AntifascistDad is really good, so don't let the "antifascist" scare you... which, why should it? You're all antifascist.
Now do "pro-life".
"Coates's father had seven children collectively, five boys and two girls, by four women: His father's first wife had three children, his mother had two boys, and the other two women each had a child. The children were raised together in a close-knit family; most lived with their mothers and at times with their father. Coates has said that he lived with his father for the entirety of his upbringing...." Wiki
Wiki says he's a feminist and atheist. His dad was a Black Panther.
Ann Althouse said...
AntifascistDad is really good, so don't let the "antifascist" scare you... which, why should it? You're all antifascist.
I watched some of his videos.
He doesn't like "centrist squishes" like Ezra Klein. He thinks it is dangerous to normalize people like Charlie Kirk.
AntifascistDad is just another person who wants people who disagree with him to be killed.
He particularly hates people who believe in Jesus.
ugh - watching leftists attempt intellectual honesty is torture.
The Anti-Fascist dad reveals that too, in his opening statements. Notions about justice and capitalism - spun in leftist poisonous spider thread.
Not anything I would subscribe to.
“I wasn't talking Ann - I was talking about you.”
OMG, you are so damn dumb. You don’t realize that by me agreeing with what Althouse said about AntifascistDad and us all being anti fascists, you say I’m a fascist. So you are essentially saying Althouse is a fascist.
Inga said...
“Inag identifies with radical leftists. nothing new.”
Althouse said…
“AntifascistDad is really good, so don't let the "antifascist" scare you... which, why should it? You're all antifascist.”
Ann was being sarcastic you idiot.
"AntifascistDad" is just another hideous political insect that wants all of his political opponents killed.
“AntifascistDad is just another person who wants people who disagree with him to be killed.”
And then comes along Achilles to bring the crazy…
No -Inag - I'm calling YOU a fascist based on what you tell us.
dullard.
“Ann was being sarcastic you idiot.”
No she was not being sarcastic. You have a serious problem.
btw-
If the thuggish black-clad terrorizing Antifa-Fascists want to learn how to meditate, chill out, ditch their non-stop hate + lie addictions, and find inner-peace with the aid of Buddhist practices - I'm all for it.
public safety love of country veneration of God is fascist now, they have made that quite clear, this was true with the Rote, the Brigatte and the Action Directe
it really does make you think who won the Cold war,
I asked Gemini if Althouse’s comment sounded sincere or sarcastic.
"AntifascistDad is really good, so don't let the "antifascist" scare you... which, why should it? You're all antifascist."
“The phrase, "don't let the 'antifascist' scare you... which, why should it? You're all antifascist," plays on the dual meaning and public perception of the term "antifascist". The author is contrasting the literal meaning of being against fascism with the connotations associated with the label "Antifa" or "antifascist" as used in contemporary political discourse.
Here is a breakdown of the meaning:
The literal, broad meaning
In its most basic sense, antifascist means "opposed to fascism." Fascism is a political ideology characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society. The statement suggests that most people would naturally oppose this ideology.
The politically charged label "Antifa"
In recent years, "Antifa" has become a politically charged term, often used by right-wing commentators as a catch-all label for any left-leaning or liberal protest actions. The Antifa movement is a loose network of activists who use a range of tactics, from non-violent protests and organizing to confrontational and, at times, violent actions.
The contrast in the quote
The quote uses this contrast to make a point:
"don't let the 'antifascist' scare you": This acknowledges that many people have been conditioned to fear the term "antifascist," seeing it through the lens of media narratives about the Antifa movement and its most militant elements.
"why should it? You're all antifascist": This part appeals to the universal, literal definition of being against fascism. It attempts to reframe the conversation by asking why anyone would be intimidated by a label that, at its root, simply means opposing a tyrannical and oppressive ideology.
In short, the statement is a rhetorical tactic meant to disarm the fear associated with the political label and to align the speaker's position with a more widely accepted principle.”
also the November 17th who attacked the democratic officials of greece in manners resembling South American guerillas,
this was the watchword of Hodgekinson as well as Rand Paul's neighbor, who the hack at CNN had a wry chuckle over,
That maddening feeling you have that Trump is still around after- what? Weeks, now months?!? You mistake that for impending rupture. All on you, doosh...
is the Orange Man in the room with you
Today on the Charlie Kirk Show
"is the Orange Man in the room with you"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Thank you.
I try not to think of Klein, and statements like his remind me why,
like evil dwarf weingarten adopting the clothpin because Norse resistance,
A deep rabbit hole of intellectual bullshit that just goes nowhere. Except deeper down the hole.
“ Hey - Buddhism calls. Good timing.”
On a tour of a Shrine in Thailand I asked a monk if we could go back in time should we kill hitler. He said of course not, we don’t know the meaning of killing someone and what it would do. Kind of the George Bailey approach.
stephen fry suggested it would turn out badly,
btw- narciso -
""is the Orange Man in the room with you"
I will be stealing that. If that is alright with you.
you can steal away, its all purpose like a swiss army knife,
Shorter Orwell - calling someone "fascist" is like calling him "poopy".
Klein identifies himself as a journalist.
A journalist who, by his own very words, " (has) poured virtually every ounce of myself into preventing everything that Kirk poured himself into creating..."
'Journalism' has become a word like 'fascism': it no longer describes what it originally meant.
Unless 'journalist' has always meant 'whore'. In which case the meaning is still the same, and I stand corrected.
I am Laslo.
words we don't like
that didn't stop him from calling burnham a fascist,
klein was a journolist, which probably means the same thing
AFDad does an excellent autopsy of Ezra Klein's dead soul. While singling out Buddyhism as a narcissistic touchstone , any religious philosophy is be used by individuals to see the world inside their our cocoon we're outside voices are garbled muffled unintelligible and are replaced by the feelings of the cloistered dolt overwhelmed by the quantum mechanical paradox of our universe.
If anyone could benefit from meditation, it's Achilles. His permanent state of aggrievement is a mirror image of Ta-Nehisi [Coates].
although ezra having left the Bezos to the murky podcast of meh, I don't see that happening, Coates since his association with his Hamas friends really hasn't shown much advancement anyways, honestly has anyone else been celebrated so loudly for so little effort well perhaps Neil Tyson,
Dad says Charlie Kirk wanted to "erase trans people". Can someone give me a link to a video of him saying that with all of the context included? I see websites claiming he said something like that, but no direct quotations.
Antifa Dad likes the sound of his own voice too much. I listened to it all, but it was a struggle.
you have a strong stomach,
AI has it's uses, but asking it to detect sarcasm and taking it's response seriously is kind of stupid.
“AI has its uses, but asking it to detect sarcasm and taking its response seriously is kind of stupid.”
Of course it’s not to be taken as gospel, duh. It’s far less stupid (or weird) than Achilles proclaiming that Althouse was being sarcastic.
I am fascinated with the literary genre of "alternate history". The idea of some time traveller (or a hypothetical trans-time being such as an "alien space bat", its a standard acronym, ASB) killing baby Hitler has come up, er, often. An answer in the genre could be that the act of showing up itself constitutes a change in initial conditions that itself could change the fate of baby Hitler. The consequential chain of what may seem trivial but cumulative changes is referred to as "butterflies".
Ezra Klein and Ta-ta Nehisi Coates talking at one another. If I ever need a reason to kill myself, I'll tune in. Until then, no thanks.
Inga said...
“AntifascistDad is really good, so don't let the "antifascist" scare you... which, why should it? You're all antifascist.”
"I’m subscribed to AntifascistDad’s YouTube channel and look forward to every one of his videos and shorts. We Americans should all be antifascist"
Just went and viewed a couple of his videos. And after having done so I think I have a better understanding of Inga.
I especially like his soothing "I'm no evangelist for my cause." persona. If you're ignorant and weak minded he has great appeal.
Still I think I'll stick with the original definition of "fascism" rather than his made up version that he made up just for Trump.
Inga has been told that "Trumpists" are the new .
Untermensch and Inga yells at all the rallys and wishes we would just get in the boxcars already.
Inga-fascist adjacent.
I watched these men ride the deeper wave leftward into money and cultural/political influence. I view their ideas as no less moralistic, dangerous, ideological, utopian and impractical now as then. They would/will eventually be sacrificed upon the altar of radical and violent action from points further Leftward. Fuck ‘em.
I am, like, so antifascist.
Past Althouse clarifies sarc or not:
See, whatever happens can be said to have happened for the reason you've already reasoned is the reason for whatever happens to have happened.
"Who do you blame for that?" is a ritualistic question, not asked or answered in a serious way. "Why is that happening?" would have been a better, more open-ended question, but the blame question was asked just to give Klein a chance to make things right with listeners who blame Trump for everything. Klein takes the bait to get off the hook.
I do know the problem with that last sentence.
Charlie wanted happy people, Coates or Obama cannot advance in power, 'we want you angry, he said in the spring of 2020, when he could have doused the flames, he did a similar thing in '24,
Amadeus 48 said...
"I am, like, so antifascist."
I'm anti-stupid.
One said: "We're losing influence. Isn't it time to hide what we believe, i.e., let's run a prolife Democrat in Oklahoma, and by this kind of deceit, we'll suck people back into the Dem party. Then when we have a majority again, we'll resume the attack on values held dear by the majority of Americans which you and I both think are rubbish."
The other said: "It's the job of a writer to uphold truth and justice against the American way. What Charlie Kirk said about transpeople was an assualt on human dignity which crossed the line. The line is a line between me and people who have no sense of human decency. There can be no reality in any attempt to talk those devoid of human decency. Trump and those of his supporters who agree with him are across that line also. (I don't say all Trump's supporters are over the line, Ta-Nehesi seemed to say, only the supporters who support Trump because they agree with him. I guess Ta-Nehesi thinks those on the right who are merely saying things because its advantangeous in the moment and who are lying about their real convictions are fine people. As good as you'll get in most of America, anyhow.
Coates said Tucker Carlson was the central voice in MAGA. That's not so - the central voice isTrump. Moreover, Tucker's strength comes from his America First convictions, not his anti-semitism and racism. In general, I thought Coates was a lot like Carlson, being a guy with Black People First convictions, solely interested in the fortunes of his own race. The rest of us don't matter, being racists or Do-Nothings.
I thought Tennessee Antifascist gave a good exposition of the hard line left and how it sees the softer left - people like Ezra Klein.
In the city I live in, 40% of the black male students in the public school system never graduate from high school. And a lot of them aren't doing work at grade level when they drop out. They sink to bottom of society, doing the work that requires no education and doesn't lead anywhere. Still, they care enough about each other to shoot each other but they are the only ones who care like that. The Dems don't care because they get the black vote anyhow; the teacher's union doesn't care; black intellectuals like Coates don't care. I'm perpetually expecting someone to find another way out for this group. Billions for migrants but not one cent for our own?
Life is too short to waste on idiocy and lies like this.
“If you're ignorant and weak minded he has great appeal.”
Ann Althouse said...
“AntifascistDad is really good, so don't let the "antifascist" scare you... which, why should it? You're all antifascist.”
Like I said. I'm anti stupid.
“Like I said. I'm anti stupid.”
So are you calling Althouse stupid? I’m not so sure you’re anti-stupid after all.
The twin gravitational clusters spinning at the center of the leftist galaxy are anti fascism and anti racism. Yet they can't define racism or fascism any better than Potter Stewart could define pornography. Ezra and Ta-Nehisi are in perfect agreement, except that they can't agree as to what they agree upon. But they definitely agree. And we should care.
buwaya said...
I am fascinated with the literary genre of "alternate history". The idea of some time traveller (or a hypothetical trans-time being such as an "alien space bat", its a standard acronym, ASB) killing baby Hitler has come up, er, often. An answer in the genre could be that the act of showing up itself constitutes a change in initial conditions that itself could change the fate of baby Hitler. The consequential chain of what may seem trivial but cumulative changes is referred to as "butterflies".
10/1/25, 4:14 PM
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The funniest of (video) alt-history depictions (that I know of) along the general line of going back in time to kill Hitler (though in this case, the alternate motif of going back in time to prevent the JFK assassination) is to be found in the BBC science fiction comedy series Red Dwarf, Season 7 (VII), Episode 1 , “Tikka to Ride.” The whole series (~10 seasons) is quite good, even hilarious, one might note.
As Glenn Reynolds points out, the problem with Hitler isn't Hitler—there are always opportunists ready to leap forward at a critical moment in history to do unmitigated evil—the problem that led to Hitler is Weimar.
Think, Inga. Use your knowledge pocket.
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