21 సెప్టెంబర్, 2025

"This is an outrageous assault on our free speech and ability to educate each other. It’s just bonkers to me that the federal government is imposing these kinds of restraints..."

"... that we’re taking away valuable information from our citizens who visit this park, and that we are trying to dumb everyone down and pretend real weather events don’t happen by not letting you read a simple sign."

Said Rep. Chellie Pingree (D-Maine), quoted in "National parks remove signs about climate, slavery and Japanese detention/The removals come after President Donald Trump issued an executive order in March seeking to remove 'improper partisan ideology' from federal institutions."

You have beautiful places, the best land and rocks and trees and waters of America, and because people want to come see these wonders of nature, you see it as opportunity to interpose human messages — negative, downer messages, propaganda — on eyesore signs. Let visitors think their own thoughts, read their own books, and speak to each other about what they think. That's the better free speech and shared education, not the speech by the government that is installed in the form of inert signs. 

Pingree complains that the new policy is "trying to dumb everyone down and... not letting you read a simple sign." But if I'm here for the landscape and the government has put up a political education sign, it's not letting me not see the government's speech. And when I do see it, it's not letting me see the larger context or the other side of the story the government has chosen to tell. The fewer signs the better. And if the government does choose to clutter the view with signs, it ought to make a good choice about what simple message to convey. Presumably, any sign dumbs down the story. Pingree must know that her statement deserves to be construed as a demand to control the way the message is dumbed down. Why should her side write the signs and not Trump? 

Aubrie Spady, deputy press secretary at the Interior Department, says: "Thanks to President Donald Trump, Interior is ensuring that the American people are no longer being fed the lies of the delusional Green New Scam. The content was taken down at the beginning of the year because this administration believes in only administering facts based on real science to the American public, not brainless fearmongering rhetoric used to steal taxpayer dollars."

That's the side that won the election, so it gets to speak. If you don't like that, at least appreciate the Trump isn't putting up signs saying global warming is a hoax. It's an anti-sign policy.

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Quaestor చెప్పారు...

What would Chellie Pingree scream if the walkway to Old Faithful was festooned with signs mourning Charlie Kirk --- "The whoosh and roar you hear is like the sound of the rifle shot that Democrat fired into Charlie Kirk."

planetgeo చెప్పారు...

Agree 100%. The National Park Service has literally littered our magnificent public lands with all sorts of propaganda for the left. It seems to be a haven for Green New Deal zealots.

Now please do an Executive Order banning "land acknowledgements" by public officials.

narciso చెప్పారు...

1984 really is a how to manual for them, yes EO 1066 signed by your favorite president interned a whole class of people,
without any distinction to their potential threat

Beasts of England చెప్పారు...

This could use a Five Man Electrical Band video.

Dave Begley చెప్పారు...

The Left is so authoritarian and selective. They don’t find beauty in the farm ground of Knox and Burt counties in Nebraska. They want to destroy those beautiful places with wind turbines and solar panels. All to solve the imaginary problem of climate change.

Last week I gave the OPPD Board three minutes on how they are the marks in the biggest scam in the history of the world. I quoted from David Mamet’s latest book “The Disenlightment” and used his great phrase: the Left wants the luxury to refrain from doing the math.

The people who think they are the smartest people in the room have never done the math.

narciso చెప్పారు...

inconvenient facts like a 1000 years ago, the Earth was hot hotter than it is now, must have been those horse drawn SUV's

boatbuilder చెప్పారు...

The federal government is removing its own signs, and it's an assault on Chellie Pingree's free speech rights? Because they are not letting her read the signs the federal government put up?

Wow.

fghdcp చెప్పారు...

Thanks for this post, Ann. I live in Maine where the one-sided media avoids criticism of this nature and most of the state's residents will never hear of issues such as you have raised. Leftist propaganda is seen often in state government buildings and offices, whereas anyone suggesting that markets and capitalism be extolled in the state's department of economic development would be castigated. Go figure.

Rocco చెప్పారు...

“…Japanese detention…”

If they mentioned Japanese-American internment, they should also mention Italian-American and German-American internment as well, too.

And “detention” makes it sound like they were simply kept after school.

Bob Boyd చెప్పారు...

I suggest the people who are unhappy about this should all go stand together outside the gate of their favorite national park wearing nothing but bedsheets, chanting in unison, "Give us a sign. Give us a sign."

narciso చెప్పారు...

yes but FDR had a particularly animus, toward Japanese Americans

Ambrose చెప్పారు...

Not everything is a Constitutional question. The people elect representatives who decide what signs to post in the Parks. For that and other reasons the people may choose to elect new representatives who change the signs. I am simplifying the process of course. But that is how it is supposed to work.

Wince చెప్పారు...

Althouse said...
"You have beautiful places, the best land and rocks and trees and waters of America, and because people want to come see these wonders of nature, you see it as opportunity to interpose human messages — negative, downer messages, propaganda — on eyesore signs."

Eric S. Raymond on “Gramscian Damage,” linked on Instapundit yesterday...

But the Soviets, following the lead of Marxist theoreticians like Antonio Gramsci, took very seriously the idea that by blighting the U.S.’s intellectual and esthetic life, they could sap Americans’ will to resist Communist ideology and an eventual Communist takeover. The explicit goal was to erode the confidence of America’s ruling class and create an ideological vacuum to be filled by Marxism-Leninism.

WK చెప్పారు...

I didn’t vote for that sign.

narciso చెప్పారు...

the OVRA should have shot anyone trying to smuggle Gramscis notebooks out,

Rocco చెప్పారు...

narciso said...
inconvenient facts like a 1000 years ago, the Earth was hot hotter than it is now, must have been those horse drawn SUV's.” (emphasis added).

Inconvenient Truth indeed. Anyone who’s been around freshly produced manure knows it’s warm, if not hot. And there were many, many, many horses then. Horses that would produce steaming piles of global warming on a massive scale.

narciso చెప్పారు...

similarly the Soviets really didn't concern themselves with the plight of African Americans, but they served as an important lumpenproletariat, like the subject nationalities of Central Asia,

Rocco చెప్పారు...

Bob Boyd said...
I suggest the people who are unhappy about this should all go stand together outside the gate of their favorite national park wearing nothing but bedsheets, chanting in unison, "Give us a sign. Give us a sign."

Plus or minus? I’d suggest the latter.

Bob B చెప్పారు...

The signs do not seemed to have helped Rep. Chellie Pingree, (D-Maine), as she seems pretty dumbed down.

Dave Begley చెప్పారు...

The world’s leading scholar on Gramsci was Pete Butegig’s dad.

Charlie చెప్పారు...

To a battle of wits, Chellie Pingree comes unarmed.

narciso చెప్పారు...

yes but he was second generation on that score,

Two-eyed Jack చెప్పారు...

Sign, sign, everywhere, a sign
Blockin' out the scenery
Breakin' my mind
"Do this," "Don't do that"
Can't you read the sign?

Aggie చెప్పారు...

She looks exactly how I imagined she would look, right down to the hairstyle and the glasses. She's Karen, who finally got herself elected and imagines herself as The Manager, now.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Rep. Chellie Pingree (D-Maine) needs to leave this country.

It is too evil for them.

Dave Begley చెప్పారు...

“She attended the University of Southern Maine and graduated from College of the Atlantic with a degree in human ecology.“

Human ecology?

Enigma చెప్పారు...

I'm wondering if the Smithsonian African American museum still has its huge MLK Jr, Obama, and ANITA HILL exhibits but no mention of Clarence Thomas. The design and planning happened during the Obama admin, so no conflict of interest there...

That museum fails per design by committee: the actual history part is all in the basement and the walk up symbolizes "rising up" to freedom/equity upon reaching the ground floor. The first area represents a slave ship, and visitors get crammed into a tiny area whereby the exhibits literally cannot be seen. But, you "feel like you are on a slave ship." Then, the spacious above-ground floors focus on contemporary arts and culture. Many exhibits were too new to know if they were museum worthy.

gilbar చెప్పారు...

WHAT, exactly? is the "outrageous assault on free speech"?

That the Government is Not Forced to do what the DNC wants?
is that the assault? just checking

gilbar చెప్పారు...

meanwhile, in Sharia Law England (a country with NO free speech), police are coming into people's homes, to arrest little children.. for committing the crime of watching wrongthink videos

narciso చెప్పారు...

some thoughts are sacrosant, two legs good, four legs bad,

mikee చెప్పారు...

But, but, but, without the "brainless fearmongering rhetoric used to steal taxpayer dollars" how will the left survive?

gilbar చెప్పారు...

a very wise (and telegenic) man once said:
Elections have Consequences
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/10/10-quotes-that-haunt-obama-081895

john mosby చెప్పారు...

narciso: "EO 1066 signed by your favorite president interned a whole class of people"

Good point. Maybe the sign for the Japanese camps should be updated, with "Democrat President Franklin Delano Roosevelt" starting every sentence. And then at the end: "But it wasn't as bad as Democrat President Barack Hussein Obama killing American citizens with no judicial process." CC, JSM

john mosby చెప్పారు...

And a reminder: "Korematsu is still the law of the land. So whoever's reading this, watch yourselves." CC, JSM

Temujin చెప్పారు...

"Pingree complains that the new policy is "trying to dumb everyone down...".

Nah. We all count on our public schools and universities for that.

Howard చెప్పారు...

I don't recall any signs when I visited Manzanar. Just a dusty field with the outlines of former building foundations.

The real crime with the federal and state parks system is the high cost of admission and the restricted parking and camping access.

COVID showed the huge value to mental and physical health of recreating in natural environments. I'm all for getting rid of the political indoctrination signs, but that's not the core problem.

The gatekeeping needs to stop.

Temujin చెప్పారు...
ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.
Bill, Republic of Texas చెప్పారు...

Both sides do it!

I remember in 2020, when Glacier National Park had to remove all the signs saying the glaciers would be gone by 2020. Hahahaha.

Temujin చెప్పారు...

Leftists think their two hands are there for wringing.

My wife and I often talk about setting up a trip to Yosemite, where we've never been. Among the things we talk of really wanting to see are signs berating us for our pleasurable life, and wanting us to contemplate how our very presence is killing the planet.
Nothing would bring us more pleasure than to be talked down to by leftists, even when they are not present and we're standing hundreds of miles from the nearest college campus.

What could be better?

narciso చెప్పారు...

yeah more of that michael mann fan fic, that surfaced in day after tomorrow,

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Howard said...

The real crime with the federal and state parks system is the high cost of admission and the restricted parking and camping access.

100% agree.

Too many people see government work as a means to extract wealth from others.

I know there are a lot of people that if you just gave them a house and some food would happily take care of the park all day for free.

The problem is the people who live in Washington DC.

Enigma చెప్పారు...

@Temujin: "My wife and I often talk about setting up a trip to Yosemite, where we've never been."

I lived near Yosemite for many years. The main issue is not propaganda, rather, massive overcrowding in the valley. This includes routine traffic jams and no parking. Avoid the prime summer season, and target either late Spring (mid May) or a fall "Indian Summer" trip if possible. The risk is that the wildfires will ruin a fall trip (i.e., Mono Winds or Santa Ana Winds blowing west from Nevada). If no fires, the weather is specular as late as Thanksgiving and the crowds are small. But, the waterfalls are weak or dry after mid summer.

Spring trips (to mid-May) can also be relatively uncrowded and the waterfalls will be huge. You risk late storms, icy roads, and melting snowpack floods.

Outside the summer season you won't get the see the human ant line climbing Half Dome, nor the many people on the El Capitan wall.

Joe Bar చెప్పారు...

A few weeks ago, I ran into a friend from work. He's an African American veteran, with a somewhat famous father (there was a movie made about him.) He decried the Navy scrubbing mention of his father's exploits from the official Navy website.

Apparently, under the previous administration, there sections on the .mil websites dedicated to minority contributions, "firsts", and things like that. These sections are gone, now.

I checked, and there were two mentions of the son (the guy I know) on the Navy's website, honoring his father, who now has a ship named after him. (I just checked again, and the mentions are gone, I guess it's old news.)

I think, perhaps, these things were handled a little ham-handedly (When has the government NOT been ham-handed?) Let's do better. I don't necessarily disagree with the premise of the move (less division), but c'mon.

narciso చెప్పారు...

so the ship was renamed, tell me another one,

Joe Bar చెప్పారు...

We visited Yosemite last year. It was crowded, but not insanely so. It was the beginning of September, so, perhaps the kids were in school. Well worth the visit.

Now Yellowstone, that's insane!

n.n చెప్పారు...

The historical evidence of DEIsm is incomplete and inaccurate. The global warming evidence is modeled, inferred, and, at best, deceptive, at worst, inconsistent with observation.

She should say propaganda and indoctrination to be quite accurate.

n.n చెప్పారు...

Hyphenated American labels is a principle of DEIsm (i.e. institutional, systemic racism, sexism, etc), a policy and practice that should be aborted with prejudice if we are ever to mitigate its progress.

narciso చెప్పారు...

Under the Fraudulent President, but thanks to an NDAA by the possums, the names of military bases who were known for their distinction, were renamed in a very Soviet way, where was Miss Pingree then,

Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...

gilbar said...
WHAT, exactly? is the "outrageous assault on free speech"?

The real issue isn’t finding a single outrageous act—it’s how repeated assaults on free speech and democratic norms are absorbed and excused. What shocks on Monday is dismissed by Tuesday once Trump signals the line to take. That normalization is the deeper assault.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Ronald J. Ward said...

gilbar said...
WHAT, exactly? is the "outrageous assault on free speech"?

The real issue isn’t finding a single outrageous act—it’s how repeated assaults on free speech and democratic norms are absorbed and excused. What shocks on Monday is dismissed by Tuesday once Trump signals the line to take. That normalization is the deeper assault.

Would it be banning democrat presidential candidates off of all social media?

Maybe waiting for AOC and Bernie to go to softball practice and shooting the place up?

Achilles చెప్పారు...

The difference between the Trump supporters and the left is that Trump supporters would all denounce someone shooting a bunch of democrats at a softball practice and calling for the execution of the shooter while the left would be dancing in the street and saying maybe now John Scalise will support gun control.

narciso చెప్పారు...

the Bureau helped cover up Alexandria, by calling it a 'suicide by cop' CNN has minimized the two assaults on Rand Paul

Foose చెప్పారు...
ఈ కామెంట్‌ను రచయిత తీసివేశారు.
Big Mike చెప్పారు...

Is there a way we could give Maine to Canada? We don’t need inbred Mainiacs who confuse weather events with climate.

narciso చెప్పారు...

southern quebec in trade for Alberta,

victoria చెప్పారు...

BTW, Achilles... It's Steve Scalise. He wouldn't support anything that his "dear leader" DJT wouldn't support. Lets white wash history, eliminate references to slavery and make the national parks white. Gag

narciso చెప్పారు...

scalise almost died from the injury, from the bernie bros worshiping drone, who was in contact with both Durbin and Duckworth staff, also the dreadful DC hospital set up

Two-eyed Jack చెప్పారు...

Maine shouldn't even be a state. It was only allowed to split from Massachusetts because a free state was needed to balance the slave state Missouri. It hasn't thrived, but there you are.

Kate Coe చెప్పారు...

How many Japanese were held on Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge?

Not Illinois Resident చెప్పారు...

National parks are no place for DEI sophistry.

narciso చెప్పారు...

yeah shes certifiable, needing a straight jacket

EdwdLny చెప్పారు...

"taking away valuable information". Um, no, removing partisan democrat propaganda which has exactly nothing to do with the particular venue. Climate change is bullshit. Internment of the Japanese was a democrat policy. It should be remembered in perhaps the American history museum and/or the capital building.

Larry J చెప్పారు...

Since it was Democrats who were behind both slavery and interning the Japanese, it’s funny he’s upset about the signs being removed.

Paddy O చెప్పారు...

National Geographic had the same problem. People want to see new and different not bw lectured on the same 4 topics they can be lectured on in numerous different places.And it doesnt matter if I agree with the lecture or not. I dont want to be pulled back into other people's attempts to assuage theor own guilt or boost their ego, which is what these lectures are all about. Plus they are half told "truths" anyhow. Do any of the posted signs say that it was Democrats who supported slavery, Jim Crow, internment camps, etc? They are half educating uninterested tourists for the sake of bureuacratic dissembling.

Paddy O చెప్పారు...

The history also speaks for itself. When Iwas in Kentucky a couple years ago I visited Camp Nelson near Nicholasville. Very worthwhile place. Was a supply depot and a main staging area for US Colored regiments with a complicated history for families and such

narciso చెప్పారు...

this leaving out the sainted Earl Warren who was the west coast enabler of the internments

Paddy O చెప్పారు...

Trump should put back the signs with updated text highlighitimg the Democrats roles in these national tragedies. Show how much those arguing for their return dont want the whole story to be told

JAORE చెప్పారు...

"I remember in 2020, when Glacier National Park had to remove all the signs saying the glaciers would be gone by 2020." First thing I thought of too. But IIRC the signs stayed up past 2020 because the NPS budget didn't cover the removal. Love to ask the Congress critter about that.

JAORE చెప్పారు...

Oops, I looked it up. By 2017 the NPS determined the 2020 date was wrong. But it took until 2020 to get funding. (A less charitable take is that they kept the propaganda up until the BS was ready to drop on their heads.)

Enigma చెప్పారు...

@JAORE:

The world was set to end numerous times over the last many decades. Religious groups have predicted armageddon many, many, many times since forever too. Anxiety in an echo chamber makes anxiety seem sane.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/10-times-experts-predicted-the-world-would-end-by-now

Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...

Achillies @ 10:43 AM, no, those strawmen aren’t it. I’m talking about the daily normalization of dictatorship under Trump. If you’re not openly for abandoning the Constitution yet, that’s clearly where this road leads. You’ve already shown your disdain for due process.

narciso చెప్పారు...

yes Matthew 24 is rarely mentioned by these people

we haven't forgotten the dragnet on parents at school board meetings, even the father who cried out against his raped daughter

Milo Minderbinder చెప్పారు...

I long for those good old days when Barack & Michelle could ring Bob Iger and get Roseanne cancelled, and when we had a very real federally-funded office of disinformation established to tell us what to think and not think, in or out of national parks....

narciso చెప్పారు...

'thats what our democracy looks like' right,

Leora చెప్పారు...

Thank you, Ann. The curating of parks with signs has annoyed me for decades.

paminwi చెప్పారు...

Hubby & I went to the Grand Canyon during the Obama years. Can’t remember exact year. Got out a a major lookout stop and near the entrance to the walkway was a barricaded are set up in a square. There was a sign that said inside the barricade was the free speech zone. If you went inside you could express your thoughts.
I went inside, said I was an American citizen and I had free speech “inside AND outside the barrier”. Walked outside the barrier and said the same thing and then made a comment that Obama was a horrible President. The Ranger asked me to step back inside the barrier to make those kinds of comments. I proceeded to repeat my comment and asked what was he going to do to me? “Arrest me?”
Such ridiculousness. Pushback people. And get a weapon to protect yourself.

Lazarus చెప్పారు...

Northern and Eastern Maine went for Trump, in contrast to most of New England. It's Portland and the Southeast, where Pingree's district is, that makes the state Democrat.

Leora చెప్పారు...

I'm all for pamphlets identifying the geology, flora, fauna or historical events but the signs are always a nuisance even if politically neutral.

Rabel చెప్పారు...

What's the matter with Maine?

This jackass, Susan Collins, Governor Mills, Angus King ...

Jamie చెప్పారు...

those strawmen aren’t it

Not allowing the President of the United States access to social media that every Democrat Tom, Dick, and Mary has, in an election year, is a strawman? The undoubted chilling effect of a hail of bullets on Republican Congressmembers is a strawman?

Just come right out and own it, Ronald: "It's different when we do... so very very much more than Trump is even contemplating. Because Trump actually is a fascist, an authoritarian, a would-be dictator, and we all know that if it were 1935 and we knew what Hitler would do, we would - any of us - be justified in killing him and anyone who might contribute to his rise." Own it. Say it. Don't dance around it.

I don't understand why you hesitate to own it, if what you say you believe is what you actually believe.

Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...

Jamie, you’re sidestepping my actual point. I’m not just talking about individual violent incidents — I’m talking about the broader trend of excusing authoritarian moves. When Trump signals disdain for due process, when allies promise pardons for political violence, when dissent is framed as “un-American,” that’s how constitutional norms get hollowed out. That normalization is far more dangerous to the republic than any strawman you want to pin on me.

Mason G చెప్పారు...

"I don't understand why you hesitate to own it, if what you say you believe is what you actually believe."

That's what shitweasels do. Simple as that.

pious agnostic చెప్పారు...

IF THE SCENERY

MAKES YOU RAVE

REMEMBER YOU

WERE ONCE A SLAVE

BURMASHAVE

boatbuilder చెప్పారు...

Jamie, you’re sidestepping my actual point. I’m not just talking about individual violent incidents — I’m talking about the broader trend of excusing authoritarian moves. When Trump signals disdain for due process, when allies promise pardons for political violence, when dissent is framed as “un-American,” that’s how constitutional norms get hollowed out. That normalization is far more dangerous to the republic than any strawman you want to pin on me.

What the hell are you talking about? Is the removal of DEI propaganda from national parks "authoritarian?" Enforcing immigration laws? What "allies promise pardons for political violence?" Please provide specifics. (Which of course you won't do--because you're not talking about actual events).

Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...

Mason et al., I’m not calling for any violent act or for removing Trump by extra-legal means. I’m defending a principle: either we uphold the Constitution and its limits on power, or we let those limits erode.

Either you adhere to the constitution or you believe that we’ve outlived that day and are an era where we’d be better off handing the keys to one leader- that a dictatorship wouldn’t be all that bad.

That’s the side you need to own because as of yet, you seem to be demanding it both ways.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Ronald J. Ward said...

Achillies @ 10:43 AM, no, those strawmen aren’t it. I’m talking about the daily normalization of dictatorship under Trump. If you’re not openly for abandoning the Constitution yet, that’s clearly where this road leads. You’ve already shown your disdain for due process.

That is a pathetic attempt to evade the argument.

I believe the constitution is a contract and everyone who wants the protections of the contract has obligations to society.

Those obligations include not shooting people you disagree with and not banning them off of social media.

You believe you get protections from the constitution even though you do not abide by the obligations required to make the social contract work.

Until you stop shooting people you disagree with and stop censoring us we are under no obligation to afford you the protections of an agreement you do not honor yourself.

Achilles చెప్పారు...


Ronald J. Ward said...

Mason et al., I’m not calling for any violent act or for removing Trump by extra-legal means. I’m defending a principle: either we uphold the Constitution and its limits on power, or we let those limits erode.

You only mean to use those principles as weapons against us.

You don't actually believe in them or live up to the obligations they impose on you.

Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...

Boatbuilder says; “What the hell are you talking about? Is the removal of DEI propaganda from national parks "authoritarian?" Enforcing immigration laws? What "allies promise pardons for political violence?" Please provide specifics. (Which of course you won't do--because you're not talking about actual events).”

That’s exactly the sleight of hand I’m pointing to: reduce authoritarianism to “you don’t like our policies.” But authoritarianism isn’t about whether you favor or oppose DEI. It’s about leaders eroding checks and balances.

Just glancing over a few headlines, and this is just today, I’m reading;

Wall Street Journal:
Trump Pushes Attorney General Pam Bondi to Prosecute Political Foes

Joyce Vance / Civil Discourse with Joyce Vance:
“Show me the man and I'll find the crime”
Discussion: Reuters, Raw Story, The Hill, UPI, Washington Post and The Gateway Pundit

Politico:
Republicans walk tight rope in defending Trump, condemning weaponization of DOJ
Discussion: CNN

The Daily Beast:
Trump Makes Bonkers Demand for Bondi to Lock Up His Enemies
Discussion: KSTP-TV, PoliticusUSA and Washington Examiner

Dennis Romero / NBC News:
Trump publicly pushes Attorney General Pam Bondi to go after his political foes

Discussion: Fox News, RedState, Raw Story, Bloomberg, Washington Times, The Hill, Mediaite, Blaze Media, Atlanta Black Star, Washington Examiner and Democracy Docket

Kyle Cheney / Politico:
'We can't delay any longer': Trump urges Bondi to prosecute his rivals
Discussion: New York Post, Raw Story, The Hill, New York Sun, NewsMax.com, Mediaite, The Daily Caller and CBS News

New York Times: Trump Demands That Bondi Move ‘Now’ to Prosecute Foes
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Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...

Achillies, your “strongest” points collapse under scrutiny: neither I nor Democrats are shooting people, and I am not responsible for corporate deplatforming decisions. The real concern is the daily normalization of authoritarian moves—disregard for due process, rewarding political violence, silencing the media and framing dissent as “un-American.”

pious agnostic చెప్పారు...

You know, if all I knew about the world was formed by the headlines of leftist media organs, I'd be misinformed too.

Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...

And Achilles, I missed a major BINGO in your comment — ‘Until you stop shooting people you disagree with and stop censoring us we are under no obligation to afford you the protections of an agreement you do not honor yourself’ — reads as an admission that rights and protections are conditional, applied only to those your group deems worthy. That’s exactly the logic that erodes the Constitution: freedoms aren’t universal anymore, they’re contingent on political approval. That’s the deeper problem I’ve been pointing to.

Thank you for owning that.

narciso చెప్పారు...

I wouldn't be able to walk and chew gum, if I was that misinformed, we see with Clem (Kaine) who despite his harvard law degree knows nothing about what this country was founded on

narciso చెప్పారు...

there isn't a freedom to destroy, in the uk certainly in the last generation they have a cohort bent on taking over the country, and not merely the UK

effinayright చెప్పారు...


Ronald J. Ward said: "Either you adhere to the constitution or you believe that we’ve outlived that day and are an era where we’d be better off handing the keys to one leader- that a dictatorship wouldn’t be all that bad"
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Didn't Biden behave like a dictaor by refusing to enforce our immigration LAWS and let in millions of illegal immigrants?

I suspect you and millions of Dems were fine with that...no?

And didn't Obama and many other Democrats push the idea of a "living, breathing Constitution" to justify the federal government getting involved in healthcare regulation, even though the Founders couldn't have envisioned such a function? Or Obama/Biden attempting to create a "command economy" by forcing car makers to crank out EVs instead of their traditional ICE vehicles? Or trying to replace the use of fossil fuel electricity generation with wind and solar?

I suspect you were down with all that, no?

From Trump's POV, he is returning to Constitutional principles by enforcing immigration law and undoing Obama/Biden overreach---not acting like a dictator.


Mason G చెప్పారు...

"From Trump's POV, he is returning to Constitutional principles by enforcing immigration law and undoing Obama/Biden overreach---not acting like a dictator."

Shitweasels hardest hit.

effinayright చెప్పారు...
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effinayright చెప్పారు...


@Ronald J. Ward: I doubt that even one person attending the Kirk memorial today shares Achilles' views, as they are the antithesis of Kirk's philosophy, especially the good will he showed toward his antagonists and detractors.

Here's Kirk's own position:

“When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group. What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have reasonable disagreement – where violence is not an option.”

Achilles don't need no steenkin' reasonable disagreement.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Ronald J. Ward said...

Achillies, your “strongest” points collapse under scrutiny: neither I nor Democrats are shooting people, and I am not responsible for corporate deplatforming decisions. The real concern is the daily normalization of authoritarian moves—disregard for due process, rewarding political violence, silencing the media and framing dissent as “un-American.”

Shooting Kirk was un-American.

Biden forced millions of people off social media during COVID. The Biden administration was deeply involved in mass censorship.

You really can get fucked.

Achilles చెప్పారు...


Ronald J. Ward said...

And Achilles, I missed a major BINGO in your comment — ‘Until you stop shooting people you disagree with and stop censoring us we are under no obligation to afford you the protections of an agreement you do not honor yourself’

You and the Taliban have about the same claim to the first amendment protections.

The only difference between you and the Taliban is the Taliban is honest about their view of the First Amendment.

Ronald J. Ward చెప్పారు...

Achilles, when you say ‘Biden forced millions off social media,’ you’re ignoring that those were corporate decisions — and courts have repeatedly struck down overreach when it happened. That’s the Constitution at work. What you’re proposing instead — stripping rights from people you’ve deemed unworthy — is the exact opposite. One path has checks and balances, the other has none.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Any Republican that voted against the Horton resolution would be kicked out of the party.

The fact that the Democrats have 58 people in their house caucus that cannot condemn violence makes them the party of political violence and you are all scum.

Achilles చెప్పారు...

Ronald J. Ward said...

Achilles, when you say ‘Biden forced millions off social media,’ you’re ignoring that those were corporate decisions — and courts have repeatedly struck down overreach when it happened. That’s the Constitution at work. What you’re proposing instead — stripping rights from people you’ve deemed unworthy — is the exact opposite. One path has checks and balances, the other has none.

Pure Bullshit. Zuckerburg said flat out Biden people told him who to ban and de-platform.

You are just dishonest scum. The Taliban is at least honest.

JIM చెప్పారు...
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Rusty చెప్పారు...

Howard said...
"I don't recall any signs when I visited Manzanar. Just a dusty field with the outlines of former building foundations."

I worked with a woman who was interned there. She was made the camps grade school teacher when she was sixteen. I was a impressed with the grace she exhibited when she told me she bore the government no ill will.

RCOCEAN II చెప్పారు...

There's zero reason why the NPS should be stuffing Leftwing propaganda down everyone' throat when they vist a NP. If you go to Gettysburg, you don't need a "Hey, uh slavery here, can we forget the battle and talk about black people?" - You're visiting the battlefield to learn about the battle and the men who fought there.

And there's zero reason for signs about "Climate change".

But of course, this gives all the wimps and simps a chance to virtue signal and cluck their tongues. "Boy, those awful white people (not like me). Boy, I wish I could go back and punch Jeff Davis or FDR in the nose"

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