Said King Charles, at the extravagant dinner at Windsor Castle.
Gaze upon the ultra-posh scene and marvel. Watch the whole thing, with Trump speaking after Charles:
ADDED: Don't miss the elegant rendition of "The Star-Spangled Banner," beginning at 9:00.
At 13:41, I believe the King is crying. Trump is reading a quote from the King himself, written in 1993, saying that he was "entirely motivated by a desperate desire to put the 'Great' back into Great Britain, in the finest tradition of British sovereigns."
Trump restates Charles's sentiment for the edification of Charles: "He has given his whole heart—everything he’s got—to those parts of Britain that are beyond the realm of mere legislation. It’s not easy, but they define its essence and its virtue, its harmony and its soul. It’s an amazing calling, and there’s nobody who has answered that calling like you have."
Trump segues without transition to everyone's favorite thing about England — the English language: "A fifth of all humanity speaks, writes, thinks, and prays in the language born on these isles and perfected in the pages of Shakespeare and Dickens, Tolkien, Lewis, Orwell, and Kipling."
Trump segues without transition to everyone's favorite thing about England — the English language: "A fifth of all humanity speaks, writes, thinks, and prays in the language born on these isles and perfected in the pages of Shakespeare and Dickens, Tolkien, Lewis, Orwell, and Kipling."
Next is a nod to the "incredible people—unbelievable people": "The lionhearted people of this kingdom defeated Napoleon, unleashed the Industrial Revolution, destroyed slavery, and defended civilization in the darkest days of fascism and communism."
AND: The headline at The Daily Beast is "Trump, 79, Rambles Through Error-Filled Windsor Castle Address."
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Trump looks old in that picture.
The whole world hates our president and I feel terrible about it. Anyway,
Man, the British do pomp and circumstance like nobody else
I thought that the King showed a bit of humor with that historical fact. George Washington wanted to advance in the British military. Colonials were not approved in upper ranks.
Many Colonials wanted to gain rank in British society. So many of them were second sons and were British in outlook. So the idea that once we were independent was that we still had the same culture and similar identity. To King George III George Washington was a traitor.
"Trump looks old in that picture."
He is old. He will be 80 years old next June. I have known lots of 80 year old men during my life and only my maternal grandfather had the sort of vitality Trump shows every day through his physical actions. However, my grandfather went downhill very quickly after about age 83 or so and died bedridden at 89. My mother is only 77 and can't walk more than about 30 feet or stand for more than a minute. I hope I am half as lively as Trump when I am 80- if I make it that far.
UK has no First Amendment. People are getting arrested for Tweets.
wild chicken said...
The whole world hates our president and I feel terrible about it. Anyway,
Only the rulers.
Most of the people like him.
Hilarious
Wow. It's not often that King Charles gets heartfelt compliments from anyone who wasn't his former mistress. As ever, President Trump has a fine ability for making friends. Don't count on hearing this from the globalist British rags, though.
I agree with Althouse; that was a lovely, stirring rendition of the US national anthem.
I applaud both Charles and Trump for keeping their remarks restrained and appropriate to the occasion. It really does seem that both sides are trying to solidify the relationship in the face of significant policy differences.
I voted for Trump three times, but I do take a deep breath when Trump gets up to speak at events like this. He has a knack for informality and unpredictability. It's mostly an asset, but it can be nerve-wracking for an old fuddy-duddy like me.
Trump is starting to show some age, but he still has incredible stamina and energy. Through my career, I've been exposed to a number of CEOs. Whatever their differences, good CEOs seem to have the common traits of exceptional energy and stamina. By my early thirties, I realized that I was not CEO material when I noticed that I had a hard time matching the pace of CEOs decades older than me, and I thought of myself as being fitter and more energetic than average at the time.
The banner has truly passed. The British Empire is no longer an empire and now Great Britain is no longer Britain, or great.
The colony has surpassed the colonizer. Far surpassed. Sad!
Joyce Carol Oates tweeted that the only reason the king was treating them to such pomp is because he HAD TO since we stupidly elected Trump.
How can a writer be so perceptive her art and so dumb in her tweets. Of course he had to, but there it is anyway. Pomp and circumstance, and Trump!
Melania’s gown is perfection.
As long as Trump actually starts throwing Antifa thugs in jail and actually takes down the billionaires funding them then he can look as old as he wants.
He needs to start making some progress cutting us out of Europe's war with Russia though and get to work on government spending in a real way.
shes been silly for a long time, (recall the jurassic park hunting tweet)
there was a time she glorified the junior terrorists,
It would have been cool if Trump had responded in his mother's native Scots Gaelic, but I guess that wasn't passed down in the family.
Trump will be out of office in a little over 3 years. I hope and pray he's got 3½ more good years in him.
@Original Mike OMG
You have to give Donald his props. He's living his most outlandish dream in real time.
Are the three saddest, most dispiriting words in the English language still "Joyce Carol Oates"? We had to read a story of hers in an English class. I thought it very good and "relevant" to our young lives, but I have to wonder, if she would go on writing and writing and writing if she ever got it right.
So the blonde sitting next to the Prez is Kate. I thought she's a brunette.
My monkeymind give the Brits the benefit of the doubt. Their island is a third the size of Texas. Our island is North America. In effect, the US was just a massive scale up of the British Empire with people from all around the world.
Our dementia ridden, pedo protector sure said a mouthful:
It is a privilege to be the first American president welcomed here,” said Trump, 79. “And if you think about it, a lot of presidents, and this was this was the second state visit and that is the first. Maybe that is going to be the last time—I hope it is, actually."
that would take too much self awareness on her part,
in the subsequent era, the Brits were pressganging our sailors in order to fight Napoleon, but still
Watching Trump operate at age 79 makes me think that completely abstaining from drugs and alcohol is a good thing.
“ Trump looks old in that picture.”
Yet Chuck looks and acts older. They are very close in age, but HRM shows it more.
I was surprised that HRH Wills is taller than Trump. And Kate is tall too. When they met the Trumps, there were four tall people standing there, and didn’t really realize it, until they met with Chuck and Camelia. The former two women acted their parts perfectly. The latter was the 1 of the 6 who really didn’t. More dowdy than majestic.
Oh, and I was surprised at the multiple playings of our National anthem by the British royal bands, when it celebrated a victory over them.
They see themselves in each other. When young, both were not taken seriously. Both divorced. Both yearn for a greatness everyone around them believes is past.
My great grandfather was born on the grounds of Windsor, and grew up as a playmate of the future Edward VII. My GGgf was Chief Groundskeeper and Gamekeeper for Victoria, and I have several gifts presented by the Queen to my GGgf, presumably on Boxing Day, when he would have been invited to share a sumptuous Christmastide meal with the royal family.
Though a patriotic American by birth and temperament, I am also a loyal subject of Charles III. Because of the family connection, my grandfather was "inside the ropes" for both the Coronation and Funeral of Edward VII.
Despite differences, all of us in the Anglosphere are children of a common mother.
"protecting the freedoms we both cherish...."
Freedoms? Aren't the British locking up people for saying mean things about muslims? And attempting to protect themselves from being attacked/raped by them?
Chuckie thinks we have the closest of relationships. This could be true but only if we start showing our love for the Shariah.
What’s all this then!?
I'm digging the tiaras.
Agree. Excellent rendition of Star spangled banner. Of course Trump lays it on thick with the Real Estate salesman puffery. "Destroyed Slavery" yeah ok. That's after being the greatest slavers of the 18th century and creating slavery in North America and the Carribean.
As for "Fighting facism and communism" guess that sounds better than "Dragged us into WW1, then started WW2, which lead to a 40 year Cold war"
they begging not to be hit by the tariff frigate,
Who's the fat guy opposite TRump? He looks outta place.
The Brits can do the Star Spangled Banner. It's a British drinking song.
anacreon, something or other,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html
Any hot mic moments where they are talking about organ transplants and longevity? I assumed all the cool world leaders are doing it now...
After Joe Biden, Charles is probably just happy to talk to an American president who doesn't fall asleep in his soup bowl.
That's after being the greatest slavers of the 18th century and creating slavery in North America and the Carribean.
I believe the Dinosaur Dynasty on the planet was much worse, but that's just me.
yes the Royal African Company was founded by the UK, but they also put the slavers out of business, with the Royal Navy,
and crushed the slave trading Ashanti empire,
"To Anacreon in Heaven."
George III called Washington the greatest man in the world.
Trump's encomium to the British people might have been cribbed from Victor Hugo.
So the Brits started WW2? Are you that stupid? What, are you trying to say that when they declared war on Germany for Germany's advancing of war into the West was "starting WW2"? Sweet Jesus.
My favorite moment is Trump saying that the UK "and America are like two notes of a chord, meant to be played together" (from memory). Poetic. Remember when Biden couldn't even keep up with the 100-year-old queen? That was fun.
A sort of Athens and Rome relationship,
"The whole world hates our president"
The power of propaganda. Europe is propagandized beyond belief, the UK very much so,
https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/
But the rest of Europe too, it's because the globalists control the newspapers, and the main enemies of the globalists are the people of the various countries.
"A sort of Athens and Rome relationship,"
that's what the neocons say. Some people say that the same families that have been running England since 1066 are now running US foreign policy.
its called an analogy, most of the papers are tripe from the once prestigious Thunderer, the Times to the Torygraph owned by the Barclays (don't get me started on them) the latter was stolen from Conrad Black,
My favorite observation about King George III was that if he had the foresight to move his throne to New York City, he would have better understood the Americans’ complaints, and they would have had more allegiance to him, and the British Empire would today rule the world.
ah the Daily Basilisk what would we do without them, plenty it turns out,
the Hanovers ran out of steam, pretty quickly, then they deferred to the Sax Kohbergs, (the Windsors) who are nearly at that point,
Do they really call Camilla the "Queen"? I didn't think a King and Queen serve at the same time. That's why I flunked out of British Royalty school.
So the Brits started WW2?
UK declared war on Germany in both world wars. Stated reason - The first because Germany and the 2nd because they invaded Poland. That's called "Starting a war". But Rc, Rc Hitler was bad. Yeah, so was Stalin. And he also invaded Poland in September 39. But the UK didn't declare war did they? LOL.
in that Charles Stross tale, I referrenced the Hanovers had done just that after the Invasion by France, also in I Martha Adams, the Royals had done the same, after the Soviets took over the UK,
Oops. meant to write in the first world war stated reason was German invasion of Belgium.
the why of the Royal African Company, the Brits needed to mine gold ore in Ghana, it was one of the slave trading regimes
"Athens and Rome." That was when England's leaders were still aristocrats (or aristocrat-adjacent). Now that they are the same kind of goons that govern us, that Athens thing doesn't fly anymore. Maybe the aristocrats weren't that admirable, but the crew running things now doesn't overawe anyone with their competence.
We inherited a system of freedom from the Brits and have extended it.
But now unfortunately, thanks to President Autopen, we Americans have among us people who hate us though they emigrated here and won't go back to their supposedly better culture. They go about assaulting Jews, calling for an end to free speech and supporting violence against their political enemies. They abused the asylum laws on entry here and they continue to to abuse the system here by promoting the values of the culture they supposedly sought asylum from. And they have drawn in Americans who, for example, now support the Gaza system of murdering political enemies and calling for the destruction of Israel. Many of these now support "Turtle Island", an imaginary entity which is whatever glorious dream they want it to be, unlike reality which has to be dealt with as it is. And, thanks to the previous President's AutoPen, we now have among us people who have sworn allegiance when naturalized who were lying when they swore they supported the USA, in particular when they said they supported our constitutionally mandated separation of church and state.
This presents a problem. How do we keep the values which are being abused by those who use that abuse to work for our destruction? It can be done. We kept British values and extended them before and after the Revolution and we kept and extended American values during the Civil War. We have to acknowledge that an abusive pattern exists and we have to acknowledge the presence and actions of those who are doing it, the aliens and the academics, and those who won't see it, the media and the judges and the falling elite. And then?
They say the American Revolution happened in the hearts and minds of Americans before that Revolution happened. And the Civil War completely existed before the War began.
Is our time right now such a time? when the turning point is forming before the world turns.
At least, the Americans have a leader.
I wonder why Prince Andrew couldn’t make it?
I am not in favor of royalty, but would be willing to trade Kings.
when the ruling class despises the values of the founders,
take King Charles, his instructions at the feet of Rab Butler, left him with a dangerous degree of relativism, that his groveling to the Dragon or the Brotherhood evidences,
Sometimes it's useful to question long-established narratives. Doing it all the time, and somewhat mindlessly, just makes you make stupid claims.
There's a balance to be found.
Re: Joyce Carol Oates: a well-known poet I know took me to the Folger in DC to a dinner once with a lot of famous writers. The conversation of the evening was trading stories about how completely insane Joyce Carol Oates is, and these weren't particularly sane people themselves.
She had to be warned off stalking Mike Tyson some years ago. She thought they were in some sort of relationship.
Washington Franklin Jefferson all thought of themselves as Englishmen, till the Crown reminded them they were second class citizens,
wow that dangerous delusion, that could get some one killed,
the old Tyson who wasn't so mellow,
narciso said...
“yes the Royal African Company was founded by the UK, but they also put the slavers out of business, with the Royal Navy,
and crushed the slave trading Ashanti empire”
Don’t forget the massive slave trade between Africa and the Middle East that the Royal Navy suppressed, too.
Or the Barbary Coast that enslaved several million Europeans. The US Marines got their start by crushing them, though, not the UK.
they certainly played a part, but without compliant kingdoms on the coast, many of those still remain influential in the political world
My wife's analysis this morning as she did her hair, with the pomp and circumstance in the background being played on CNBC (the only news channel worth a tinker's damn these days), was as follows in its entirety: He was almost killed during the campaign twice and he's 80. He DGAF what anyone thinks and will do everything he wants from here on.
Further deponent sayeth not. And I agree.
CJinPA said...
“Do they really call Camilla the "Queen"? I didn't think a King and Queen serve at the same time. That's why I flunked out of British Royalty school.”
Yes, they do. For most of British/English history, the Queen has been the consort of the ruling King, although a few have ruled in their own right. Some of the queen consorts did conduct the business of the state when their husbands were otherwise occupied, usually war in France or something like that.
A king was always of higher rank. That’s why Philip never rose above a Duke; although I suspect some people did kick around the idea of him as a King Consort subordinate to Queen Elizabeth II.
Trump is reading a quote from the King himself, written in 1993, saying that he was "entirely motivated by a desperate desire to put the 'Great' back into Great Britain, in the finest tradition of British sovereigns."
How is Chuck going to do that? Everyone knows that the king is just a figurehead with no power. The fact that on paper he has powers to make Mao blush with envy means nothing because he can't use them.
Or maybe he can? Albeit under the blankets so to speak. And as "Power in being" that might disappear if he used them publicly.
I suspect that President Trump knows where the power is really located in England. That is why he spent several hours in meetings with the kind, not the king's prime minister.
John Henry
Philip was a Prince, too. But he was born to that as part of the Greek royal family and not as a status in the British one.
there was that teleplay about King Charles, with the fellow who, once played the heroic character in Jewel, Pigott Smith, where he called out the Army to stop paparazzi or some such
CJin PA, re Trump calling Camilla a "Queen," our beloved elder statesman is following a long, long line of US presidents who have been feted by the Brits, and mucked up their speeches. It is apparently something the British people and the British press delight in, and have done so for a long long time. And upgrading the rank of a royal has never been an item requiring correction, those louts are all as hubristic as a fresh litter of Hampshire piglets. Could be worse, Trump could have emulated JFK in Berlin saying he was a pastry, in Deutsche.
John henry said...
I suspect that President Trump knows where the power is really located in England. That is why he spent several hours in meetings with the[ir] kind, not the king's prime minister.”
Well, you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you.
its a tailors shop on saville row, (kingsman)
Marcus Bressler said...
What, are you trying to say that when they declared war on Germany for Germany's advancing of war into the West was "starting WW2"? Sweet Jesus.
We could debate whether the Brits started WWII. They certainly did nothing to stop it in the early 30s when they could have done it with a couple dozen policemen.
But I am still pissed off about FDR dragging us into it. A war where were had no interests. Starting in 1939 or so. Giving UK destroyers and other war materials, lending money on the never never, invading iceland, sinking German ships and more.
All before December 41. These are the actions that finally prompted the Germans to declare war on us.
I don't really fault Churchill, If I was him I would seek help wherever I could get it. It was pretty much his job.
I do fault FDR for conniving with him to drag us in. Especially after getting elected on a platform of "Wait till after the election, I'll have more flexibility then."
Oh, wait, that was Obama. Roosevelt said
"And while I am talking to you mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."
That was October 30, 1940, a week before the election.
Fuck FDR. Fuck Wilson who made similar promises about ww1 and LBJ who ran on a similar promise about VN in 1964.
John Henry
mikee: "Trump could have emulated JFK in Berlin saying he was a pastry, in Deutsche."
Good thing Kamala wasn't elected - she would have said "I am a (custard) tart!" CC, JSM
one might argue his anti Japanese animus he expressed since the 20s, did his China trading father, Warren have something to do with it, also an imbalance between Stanley Hornbeck and the lefties like Harry Hopkins,
say Lord Halifax had taken over, England would likely have surrendered, then where would we be,
Thousands of Britons have been issued arrest warrants and hundreds imprisoned for mere "hate speech." Jobs are lost; houses and bank accounts and salaries seized, mostly for objecting to the mass rape and pimping of white British girls. Britain is now a virulently anti-female fascist state. I don't want my President there acting as if this isn't happening.
Tommy Robinson scored a massive victory Saturday with a million native British and patriotic immigrants turning out to march against mass Muslim immigration, child rape, and supressing speech. Steyn says legitimate sources counted the crowd at one million, while the BBC said 110,000. A million looks much closer, making it the largest march for free speech in history. No media covered the march, except to insist it was irrelevant and racist. Trump should not be breaking bread with these child-raping, nation-killing fascists.
John Henry: "Fuck FDR. Fuck Wilson who made similar promises about ww1 and LBJ who ran on a similar promise about VN in 1964."
Yes, yes, yes. All Democrat wars, as Bob Dole (pbuh) said before he was shamed into self-criticism. CC, JSM
The English slave trade was pretty minimal (If one can say that about such a monstrous crime.
About 100 million black subsaharan Africans were sold into slavery mostly to Arab slave traders. About 90% were sent north to turkey, Egypt, Persia, Arab countries. About half died o, the trek. Few who survived lived more than 2-3 years after arrival.
In contrast, about 10mm were sold to the Portugese in Brazil and french in Haiti and other places. Also to Spanish.
About 1mm were sold to the British and came to the Caribbean and to what is now US.
And, as others have noted, it is the British that ended slavery in the 19th century.
John Henry
the tariff grapeshot should be stronger,
Tina Trent: "Britain is now a virulently anti-female fascist state. I don't want my President there acting as if this isn't happening."
True dat. But the Trump visit is a multi-phase operation. The mutual admiration society with the King is needed to establish his legitimacy. Charles isn't going to use his nuclear option to stop locking up patriots, even if he wanted to. And if he did, Labour would just clamp down harder. So why lecture him?
Once Trump is on all the royal-following magazines and sites, he is even more powerfully armed for a private sitdown with Starmer to tell him how things are going to be. Vance has already castigated the British and other Western governments for their oikophobic antics, so Starmer knows where Trump is coming from. Will Trump say "oh btw, if you guys try to lock up Tommy or screw with Farage, all deals are off?" He doesn't need to.
I also bet Trump will make some jabs about this stuff in press conferences: "I killed the head of ISIS. You're not going to have a bobby arrest me for that, are you, Keir?" Or just "I gotta watch what I say - I see the Old Bill are about" as he takes the podium. CC, JSM
Mungo Park was a famous 19th century British explorer of Africa. In one of his books he tells how tramping through the jungle, a long distance from anywhere, they came upon about 100 African slaves all chained together and being trekked north (IIRC). He says that one of the slaves had fallen or gotten sick or something. Since they were all chained together, they could only move by carrying him, then another and so on.
When he ran across them, about half were dead, the keepers were gone and the rest were unable to move, being chained to the dead. They were starving to death and dying slowly. Park gave them water and food but had no way to cut the chains and had to leave them.
I remember it being one of the most gutwrenching things I've ever read about African slavery.
John Henry
Narciso: I at first read that as "the tariff on grapeshot should be stronger."
Make American Munitions Again! CC, JSM
"That's after being the greatest slavers of the 18th century and creating slavery in North America and the Carribean."
Slavery existed in North America and the Carribean for thousands of years before 1492.
It sounds like isolationism is growing. I think it has more to do with what we've been doing since the 1990s than what we were doing in the 1940s.
Steyn says legitimate sources counted the crowd at one million, while the BBC said 110,000.
I saw a couple of newspaper reports of 100-150m and, on Saturday London police reports of 1mm. Monday I saw police reports of 3mm.
No idea how to tell who is right but it was one Hell of a lot of people. 2 days before PDJTs visit. I suspect that most of the marchers are sympathetic to MAGA ideas.
John Henry
narciso said, "the tariff grapeshot should be stronger"
Whoa whoa! We don't want those uppity Britons to dress up as druids and start throwing American Defense products off the container ship into the Thames! It might start some kind of London Reeeee Party!
I like the way Archie Bunker explained it: the Brits got a political system called a Fagocracy.
I don't see that happening, I mean use the tariff as cannons,
what happened is the EU effectively took over the UK, despite technical Brexit, they have surrendered what they had fought for a 1000 years, at least since Hastings,
Oh, MAMA!
OT but speaking of munitions, at former USNS Roosevelt Roads right now we have a bunch of F-35s, a dozen ships including a helicopter carrier group, a bunch of Marines on amphips, Seabees(?) rebuilding the control tower, C-5s, c-130s and other cargo planes flying in.
To tie it to the Royal visit, in the late 1930s the base was built up to be the "Gibraltar of the the Caribbean" Lots of MASSIVE fortifications. A powerhouse, for example, that makes the sub pens of St Nazaire look like Costco gazebos.
One of the reasons was that if the Germans invaded Britain, the royals, govt and fleet would boogie on over to Roosey and set up a govt in exile.
The throne room is still there. Used to be used as a AF TV studio but could be repurposed back to its original use.
Is fleeing Britain what PDJT is talking to Chuck about?
John Henry
In 1952 (or so) British aviation engineer Nevil Shute wrote a best seller called "In the Wet". One of the plot points was the deterioration of England to the point where the King and royals fled to Australia and set up the Crown there.
Shute had a pretty good imagination but Even he could not imagine how bad things could get.
I think it may be time to reread the book again.
John Henry
Charles is not smart enough to realize this, hes much like the prince in 'to play the king' by michael kitchen, before he was in foyles war,
well Australia's out too, mutant kangaroos, maybe New Zealand,
The British Matelots that we operated with the late 60s used to make fun of the fact that they got rum on their ships, we got ice cream. They even had a song about it:
There's a buzz going round the harbour,
That the Yanks are going to sea,
With a bottle of Coca-Cola,
And a fing great tub of ice cream,
Oh, they're fing good kids in harbour,
But oh my Christ at sea.
On the other hand, we would tell them, our ships didn't generally sink.
John Henry
Do you think the royals arranged a secret meeting between Donnie and Prince Andrew?
Pedo Cheeto and Randy Andy have much to discuss about their mutual close friend Jeff Epstein.
prince andrew was easily compromised lesuo, with the Dragon, the Kazakhs et al,
“I wonder why Prince Andrew couldn’t make it?”
Don’t bite off more than you can chew, hag.
an older fatter Hunter Biden,
“Pedo Cheeto and Randy Andy have much to discuss about their mutual close friend Jeff Epstein.”
You’ve said a mouthful, hag.
it is really sad, for someone who appreciates the best of the british culture, how they let themselves surrender
I think Pink Floyd was wrong, in so many respects, Roger Waters shows it every day
they disdained the sacrifices their parents had to go through because of rationing 'when you couldn't have any meat' nor pudding, they craved thought control,
yes his parents died in the war, but he arrogated his view to a whole generation
all these people who kissed obamas...ring, have no where to stand on,
"Slavery existed in North America and the Carribean for thousands of years before 1492."
LOL - Negro Slavery. Which is what most people mean by "slavery" in connection with North America and the Carribbean.
But thanks for the dumbest interpetation possible.
many of the slave trading empires, the Songhai and the Ashanti, the Dahomey principate (that inspired Wakanda)
The Uk were the biggest slavers of the 18th century. They dominated the the transatlantic slave trade till 1808. They stopped in 1808, because they knew the USA was about to outlaw it and they didn't want to look bad.
And I don't know what was going on in India Pakistan in the 19th century. It probably wasn't "slavery" but it was certainly forced labor. One of the biggest British Empire crimes was replacing the native Fijian population with Indian serfs - seems the native Fijian didn't want to work on the sugar cane or coconut or whatever plantations - so hey lets import lots of foreingers. Cause "Gotta make money!"
Or you throw in the Boer war. Of course, after they established an Empire so big the sun never set on it, they got "religion" and became big moralists about invading other people's countries.
Prince Charles would only be crying if Trump had said something cringe worthy. Otherwise. boring (DJT)
Hey, if there's anything our Victoria knows, it's boring.
countries like Egypt under the khedive practiced the corvee, slave labor, the real Mohammed Ali who was Albanian founded that dynasty, that lasted until 1952 when Farouk scrammed, because of Nasser,
the Boer war, was an expedition for gold, against Dutch speaking Englishmen, the first concentration camp,
"On the other hand, we would tell them, our ships didn't generally sink."
We also didn't let our sailors drink...
They didn't have literal flotillas of ice cream barges, and many a tale of US sailors trading ice cream for a "tot".
well besides the ones the Spanish set up in Cuba, under Weyler,
"We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10,000 miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves. However, we will send them 9500 miles to to that." Revised truthful LBJ.
FDR 1936
"I have seen war. I have seen war on land and sea. I have seen blood running from the wounded. I have seen men coughing out their gassed lungs. I have seen the dead in the mud. I have seen cities destroyed. I have seen two hundred limping, exhausted men come out of line—the survivors of a regiment of one thousand that went forward forty-eight hours before. I have seen children starving. I have seen the agony of mothers and wives. I hate war.
I have passed unnumbered hours, I shall pass unnumbered hours, thinking and planning how war may be kept from this Nation.
I wish I could keep war from all Nations; but that is beyond my power. I can at least make certain that no act of the United States helps to produce or to promote war. I can at least make clear that the conscience of America revolts against war and that any Nation which provokes war forfeits the sympathy of the people of the United States."
LOL - Nobody had more fun during WW II then FDR. He loved it.
The Orange Free State and the Transvaal, the two Boer Republics, were independent countries, no longer under any subjection to Britain. The war began (casus belli) because there had been a great immigration of British subjects to these countries on account of a gold rush. These new immigrants, which outnumbered the Boers, caused friction, which were exploited by some which didnt think much of the Republics.
the Boer war, was not a bright shining moment, that can be ascertained,
the Opium War, probably not a noble exercise, it did open concessions in China,
Churchill may have had more fun in WWI and WWII than FDR.
He certainly saw more (though not much) combat than FDR. (Boer and WWI)
John Henry
One of the greatest quotes about the rapaciousness of "British subjects", specifically men like Cecil Rhodes, came from King Lobengula, last king of the Ndebele:
"Did you ever see a chameleon catch a fly? The chameleon gets behind the fly and remains motionless for some time, then he advances very slowly and gently, first putting forward one leg and then the other. At last, when well within reach, he darts his tongue and the fly disappears. England is the chameleon and I am that fly."
Same thing happened to Paul Kruger.
in one of Ted Bells novels, Warlord, the mastermind has gone after the royals because of Mountbattens part in the partitions
this ties together the assasination of the latter as well as Diana's death,
There were too few Fijians for the available land, and they made lousy workers. A much bigger case of labor imports was Malaya, now Malaysia, where British planters brought in Chinese coolies and Indians, mostly Tamils, to work the rubber plantations. Hence the nature of modern Malaysia. My grandpa was a Basque who had a degree in agronomy and had learned passable English, so his first job in the "wild East" (1913) was managing rubber plantations in Malaya, worked by Chinese. He had to learn some Fukien. Later he was headhunted to run Abaca (hemp) plantations in the Philippines, with the selling point that "everyone spaks Spanish there!". A lie of course.
very interesting, the Chinese imports caused a bit of strife,
well they largely drove Malathir's career in opposition,
RCOCEAN II said...
"Slavery existed in North America and the Carribean for thousands of years before 1492."
"LOL - Negro Slavery. Which is what most people mean by "slavery" in connection with North America and the Carribbean.
But thanks for the dumbest interpetation possible."
What's so funny? Whole tribes were enslaved by the Aztecs and the Incas. Slavery and death were the fate of any north American Indian if captured by a more powerful tribe.
The Brits were pikers in the slave trade compared to the Spanish. The Spanish required tens of thousands of slaves every year because the plantation system labor killed so many of them.
To be a slave on a sugar plantation was a death sentence. To wind up in Charleston was a reprieve. Relatively speaking.
the thing of it is, the Spanish had no pretense to Liberty, neither did the Portuguese, which we borrowed many of the worst habits, the Germans were even worse, see the fate of the Herero in South West Africa
Churchill commanded a battalion in the trenches for about six months, very hands-on, leading raids, etc.
Before that he was on several Northwest Frontier expeditions (Pakistan/Afghanistan); a military observer in Cuba with the Spanish army fighting Cuban rebels, Kitcheners campaign in Sudan (where he charged with the 21st Lancers at Omdurman), and of course South Africa. On the whole he spent several years on campaign; he saw a lot of war.
Suggested reading: William Manchester's "The Last Lion"
against the mad mullah, of malakand, the taliban precursor,
Churchill earned a lifelong contempt of Kitchener based on Omdurman,
an unrelated tip, Siddig Ali, the Deep Space actor, is the great great grandson of the Mahdi, and the son of a prime minister,
Churchill saw active service in India and the Sudan; Mark Felton has an interesting video on what awards Churchill could wear according to regulations (spoiler: fewer than he did wear).
Caribbean slavers calculated that they could get seven profitable years out of a slave before working him or her to death; the French used slaves to row boats up the Mississippi to the Missouri lead mines, where they were put to work for a few years until . . .
In 1776 the proportion of blacks to whites in what became the US was higher than ever before or since (c. 20-25%, concentrated in the Southland). And the enslaved population of the US is the only one that grew by multiples in the early 19th C, from about 500,000 to almost 4 million--without appreciable importation.
Winston took part in wars from sword/spear on up to atomic bombs. We may not see his like again. CC, JSM
The British also imported Indians to South Africa (one was Gandhi) and the Caribbean. A descendant of these, from Trinidad, is V.S.Naipaul, my favorite writer.
and uganda to work on the railroad,
we know the consequence of that,
"and uganda to work on the railroad"
the backstory to Naipauls novel "A Bend in the River"
The first widespread use of photo ID was by the Brits, who required them for the subcontinental workers they imported to work on Mauritius around 1870.
Captain Haines took Aden with 600 men, in 1839, the consequences of that echo in my novel, which revisits the Sudan Egypt and other places,
I hope Trump gifted Charles a gilded iPod with an audio version of The Art of the Deal.
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"What's so funny? Whole tribes were enslaved by the Aztecs and the Incas."
Who said they were funny? Although I'm told the Incas had Pizarro rolling in the aisles with their "pull my finger" joke.
I'm not too broken up about the Incas and Aztec slavery, given their lack of political clout in 2025. Their platform plank on human sacrifice hasn't been a winner.
it was proposed in the california schools, Aztec not Incan practices,
"Their platform plank on human sacrifice hasn't been a winner"
It hasn't been tried lately, its a different electorate. Maybe its time?
well the Phoenician model was popular of late,
"Maybe its time?"
I'm sure that when it fails yet again to bring the rains future advocates will write it off saying "that's because real human sacrifice has never been tried!"
Did The Daily Beast post a similar headline when President Precious was running his mouth during 'God Save the Queen?'
of course not, they slobbered on the light bringer,
I had to laugh this afternoon when I was scrolling through YT and saw a live feed if AF1 taking off. When I first joined the feed, AF1 was just approaching the end of the runway where it would start it's run to take off. "There's the world's fanciest, most expensive aircraft," I said to myself. Then, the camera widened in view, and I saw that the fourth planes behind it were all RyanAir jets.
RyanAir--not just the airline name, but the sandwiches they serve inflight.
Is the King crying because hes so physically close to Pedo in chief, that he got a nostril full of Donnie’s loaded diaper?
Human rites are a Democratic plank.
I now understand why The White House ballroom is so necessary.
TeaBagHag said...
Is the King crying because hes so physically close to Pedo in chief, that he got a nostril full of Donnie’s loaded diaper?
TBH wants everyone to know Trump is a pedophile and that she wants someone to kill him.
Steyn says legitimate sources counted the crowd at one million, while the BBC said 110,000.
Actually, if you were trying to discredit a movement, wouldn't you exaggerate their numbers? "Look out! Millions of crazy people are rampaging! We muct stop them at all costs...!"
no they weren't violent, but they were vocal
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/how-did-the-telegraph-get-the-robinson-rally-so-wrong/
https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-nihilism-of-andrew-roberts/ perfidious albion indeed,
A Joyce Carol Oates story I've heard multiple times and from people in a position to know, is that in her Creative Writing workshops she would pick the best looking young woman and spend the semester cruelly destroying her confidence and self-esteem. I met her once when I was a grad student, and based on how she treated audience questions from high-school students who had come to her reading all excited to hear from the famous author, I believe the story.
(The one good thing was that she was reading from Black Water, which was her book from the point of view of Mary Jo Kopechne drowning in Ted Kennedy's car, and her reading this gave apoplexy to some of the more annoying people in the grad program.
I suspected she was nasty, but I had no idea, so shes the female version of jk simmons character in whiplash,
Melania Trump is a former beautiful super model who dresses exquisitely. So why was she wearing a flying space saucer hat on her head? Is this something all American women are supposed to do when in England? Does our host Althouse ever wear a hat like that, anywhere?
Melania, in that perfect yellow dress, couldn't be a more perfect choice of garment.
Lovely listening to speeches, looking at beautiful surroundings. Heard they played an instrumental version of ' YMCA' on grounds too.
"So why was she wearing a flying space saucer hat on her head?"
Its an English ladies thing. They all wear weird hats when outdoors on formal occasions. Check it out.
CJinPA said...
“Do they really call Camilla the "Queen"? I didn't think a King and Queen serve at the same time. That's why I flunked out of British Royalty school.”
A female heir to the throne is a Queen Regnant and reigns in her own name (e.g., Elizabeth I and II). The wife of a male heir to the throne is a Queen Consort and has only the influence that her husband grants her. The husband of a female heir to the throne is never referred to as "King" - at least, not these days.
RCOCEAN II said...
"Destroyed Slavery" yeah ok. That's after being the greatest slavers of the 18th century and creating slavery in North America and the Carribean.
You should read about what the Portuguese and Spanish did during that time. Especially the Portuguese.
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